Space Marines are rumored, very reliably, to be the next upcoming 40k codex release. There is a lot of excitement about that, and with codex supplements that may be coming alongside or right after the codex release.


If you missed today's earlier rumors about codex supplements, follow the link.
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/06/what-armies-are-getting-codex.html

This is part 2 of a rumor set, which I separated by subject, so that things did not get lost in the mix. The next and last set of this, will be about fortifications and terrain.

Please remember that these are still rumors

via an anonymous source (reliable source)
Like we discussed many many months ago the Space Marine special character changes to Combat Tactics still exist, but are also now available for purchase as an upgrade to a generic HQ allowing you to play Ravenguard without Shrike, or Salamanders without Vulkan.

The special characters usually also include some other more specific army-wide changes included in the replacement of Combat Tactics to make them still desirable, as they represent a specific company, within a different chapter, etc.

Space marines will be getting 2 supplement codexes though by the end of 2013

Lastly, Ultramarines are not the focus of the Space Marine book any more.  Instead the pages describe the book representing any of the second founding chapters, and many of the founding as well who converted to following the Codex Astartes.  Outside of the over-abundance of Ultramarine special characters it's not "their book" anymore, which means it leaves things open for them getting a dedicated supplement as well.  If anyone rages about this being a cash grab and not just creative room to give Ultramarines the attention they deserve the same as any other Chapter, you're wrong.

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  1. Being a HUUUUUUUGGGGEEE Ultramarine fan 2nd Edition was amazing when i had my own book. I always said to the guys at my gamer club Ultramarines need their own book again.....if this rumor pans out I may actually forgive GW for all past transgressions!!!!

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    1. You already have one in 5th edition.

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    2. The Ultramarines WROTE the Codex Astartes and follow it word for word without question. They're the ultimate vanilla chapter, which is why they were the focus for the past two editions. Wouldn't make sense to give them their own supplement.

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    3. How overweight are you?

      (joke)

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    4. The ultramarines didn't write it though, their primarch did :P

      The point is that although they are the epitamy of a codex astartes chapter, they have a lot of character of their own which still differentiates them from the other founding chapters and their numerous successors. If the iyanden supplement is anything to go by, the books will 99% be fluff anyway, of which there is a tonne of for the smurfs compared to most other chapters. If anything giving them a supplement will help slim down the parent codex or give more room for other chapters histories etc

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    5. "via an anonymous source (reliable source)
      Like we discussed many many months ago the Space Marine special character changes to Combat Tactics still exist, but are also now available for purchase as an upgrade to a generic HQ allowing you to play Ravenguard without Shrike, or Salamanders without Vulkan."

      YES! This bit is awesome.

      Also, for the record, I think it would be cool if ALL the First Founding Chapters had a supplement, even Ultramarines. I remember playing this dude named Matt who made me respect Ultras because he used squad markings on his fully painted Ultramarine company, did everything by the book, knew all their background, and was generally the coolest Ultra player I ever met.

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    6. You think Ultra Marines need more love? Seriously? really? you have to be kidding.

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    7. "have a lot of character of their which differentiates from other chapters"?

      Lol that's a joke right? Ultra has character? Can someone enlighten me as to how a one dimensional, bland chapter has any actual character?

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    8. Read Know No Fear and get back to us...

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    9. Agreed. We might not like the Smurfs, but they do have their own character.

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    10. Know No Fear isn't relevant, that's the character of the Ultramarines Legion, not the Ultramarines Chapter (and yes, that makes a huge difference). The Chapters are very different from their Legions Guilliman would weep to see what they have become (not because Ultras are worse than any others I might add, of all the First Founding Chapters I'd say MAYBE the Salamanders and Raven Guard wouldn't shame their Primarch).

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    11. Well actually i think , non -codex chapter get more books and fiction and love than codex ones.

      and the ultramarine movie SUCKS !!! LOL

      i mean... IT SUCKS VERY BAD

      BOOO for space smurfs!!
      Hail to the Imperial Fists! :D




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    12. Ultramarines have character? In terms of gameplay (their culture and whatever being largely irrelevant to that), they're not SUPPOSED to have character - that's kind of the point of following the Codex Astartes to the letter! Also, Forgebreaker has it right: Know No Fear is of no relevance to the character of M41 Ultras, since the Codex Astartes has reshaped them so much since.

      All I can see for an Ultramarines supplement is it either being a purely special character-based supplement, or something that gives them some blatantly lore-contradicting units like in 4th edition (only for GW realise the issues with that and shoehorn them into new generic entries like with Tyrannic War Vets and Honour Guard, come their 7th edition update).

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  2. Just give me some Blood Raven stuff, even if its just FW Land Raider doors, and I would be happy =P

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    1. You mean Kmart Ultramarines? ;P

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    2. Don't dis the blood ravens! Gabriel Angelos is one of my favourite space marine characters, mostly because he sounds like Patrick Stuart but that's beside the point! Thule is ok too, being a dreadnought and all haha

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    3. Thule was originally a Heavy Bolter wielding devastator sarge though. I thought he was MUCH more badass in that incarnation XD.

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    4. Thule was a heavy bolter wielding Captain, not sergeant.

      And yeah, the psyker heavy, possibly connected to the Thousand Sons Blood Ravens are totally just like the Ultramarines.

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  3. On the Ultramarines and the utter adherence to the codex....

    Apart from the Tyranid Hunters inception starting to cause a schism in the Chapter?

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    1. Does that matter too much anymore? 'Nid Hunters have, as far as I know, been blatantly shoehorned into Sternguard.

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  4. This excites me. Being a fists player im interested to see what they give to lysander, with him being first captain and all. Scoring or troop terms or stern is obvious ones I guess. But thats been done to death with other codexs.

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    1. I fail to see why Lysander would get any of this stuff, Kantor gets it because the Crimson Fist's are all but destroyed, so those that are left, are veterans.

      Scoring troop nators was just because the Dark Angels have an abundance of terminator armour, enough that they can outfit an entire company in it, but Azrael or Belial need to turn up for that to happen.

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    2. If the Fists get a supplement (and I hope they do, so my Iron Warriors can take them down ;) ), the most likely place for FOC shenanigans would be adding in Vladimir Pugh

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  5. I want to see Codex Space Marines wipe ALL previous loyal marine codex off the board and the every chapter get a suppliment. Who gives a rip if it is a full stand-alone codex, what does that even mean anymore. Let the suppliments do the FOC changes and add new psychic powers and Warlord abilities...maybe a new unit here and there to be done with it.

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  6. Hmm...trying to imagine in what sutble way (if any) Combat Tactics might change. Or if it even needs to. The ability is only usefull if you have pushed up table. Might be sweet if they control or get to re-roll the fallback distance. Or they are so good at it they get a +1 to the Initiative check to break off. Surely it won't be exactly the same.

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  7. I am seriously hoping that the Ultramarines DON'T end up with a codex expansion. I have been a smurf since 2nd ed, and I have EVERYTHING for the army. I refuse to spend $100 just to get my rules. Whether it's a money grab or not, it's still too much for me with my crappy job to afford, and will force me to leave my two decades-long favorite army behind. That's not cool.
    Admittedly, I'm happy to hear that maybe Ultramarines will finally get the character deserve. But I really can't afford a second codex for a single army (I'm still two behind- Tau and Eldar).

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    1. Start saving those pennies. You know you won't be able to resist!

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    2. Truth! But I whine the whole way. And I hate whining.

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    3. Really a crappy job can be changed its called go get a better paying job. At least the Ultra marines for sure are getting love. I would love to see Salamanders get some love.

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    4. I seriously hate when people say simply "get a better job". Not only is that not even close to that simple, but some people like their job which may not be oriented around the obtaining of money.
      The complaints about pricing are due to the fact that their products are pretty inaccessible to people with lower incomes.

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    5. Pirate the supplements, it's not like GW encourage people to play in their stores anymore.

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    6. Pirate the supplements, it's not like GW encourage people to play in their stores anymore.

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  8. Being able to purchase chapter traits will be very interesting. I am really looking forward to that.

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  9. C'mon Raven Guard special rules!

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    1. Yes! I really hope it's not just Fleet.

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    2. Stealth would be the obvious choice, maybe Night Vision too (although really it makes no sense that all SMs don't have NV...)

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    3. Agreed, the should by fluff have NV, FnP and Relentless but no, they are only one step above fodder. But whatevs.

      For RG I would be happy with any combo of Hit and Run, Stealth and/or infiltrate at least

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  10. Hmmmm. Codex Inquision with a Witch Hunters and Alien Hunters mini dex might be pretty cool.

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  11. I'm very pleased to see the Ultramarines take a back seat (even as cool as they are).

    As an Iron Hands player I'd love to actually see a special character for them. Plus, the have an Iron Hands Codex Supplement would be awesome.

    As a collector I'll be buying all of the Codex Supplements as they are good toilet reading material. Plus, my book shelf looks a bit bare right now for 6th edition...

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    1. Honestly Iron Hands need their own Codex, seeing as they (uniquely if I'm not mistaken) don't field Terminator squads (or at least VERY rarely except as command squads) and instead tend to give it to the most experienced sergeants in each clan

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  12. *Puts on wishful thinking hat*
    I hope my chapter gets a supliment, The Exorcists. They have an Imperial armor supliment, but let's move them out of Forge World and into the light.

    *Takes off wishful thinking cap*

    Yeah that's never going to happen, atleast we are mentioned in the current codex!

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  13. Im most excited about being able to give some kind of Salamander trait to my Captain as its never felt right that Vulkan seems to lead every Salamander force. Especially when it seems like that would be a rare case

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  14. Am I the only marine player concerned about the practically side-by-side release of White Scars supplement with the Dex. To me this screams that the core Dex will no longer have the capacity to field bike squads as troops, and that's a real shame.

    I have about 3,000 points of bike marines who are a successor dark angels chapter, turned back to Codex Astrates following a millennia of haunted dreams of their sins to the Imperium in pursuit of The Fallen. In penitence for their sins, the Chapter adheres strictly to the Codex, so I can't field them using the Dark Angels book, and without bike squads as troops, the army will loose its Dark Angels 'feel' despite being a vanilla list.

    This sucks, I don't want to have to use the White Scars supplement to field a Dark Angels successor chapter which has return to the Codex.

    Does anyone have any information on this? Would suck if GW make anyone assumes every marine player with a bike list is White Scars, and anyone who wants to play bike chapter be White Scars. It would be a army killer equivalent to the change from 2nd to 3rd edition Guard codexs

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  15. Just having a browse through the space marine bits on the GW site, and this is listed in with the normal upgrade items:

    http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440176a&prodId=prod1280042&rootCatGameStyle=

    Land raider terminus ultra? Not heard of that one

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