There has been a lot of talk since the arrival of the first Codex Supplement, on whether these GW Direct only supplements, will be released for many of the chapters we now have as full codices and whether new chapters will be detailed out in them.

Lets take a look and perhaps we can see what lies ahead.


First off, this is a discussion topic, nothing below are rumors, even though some may be discussed in broad terms.

Blood Angels, Space Wolves
Will Blood Angels, Space Wolves lose their primary codex to become a supplement? The answer really is a resounding no. It would be very odd to do this. Far flung rumors still have these two getting full codices, and I am going to stick to that unless something else shocking comes out. These codices are still a long ways out, but I do believe that the major codices, even if they are marines, will maintain their codex.

Ultramarines
I find it really difficult to grasp Ultramarines getting one. They are after all the guideline for every chapter to follow. While I can see their leaders getting special army wide buffs in the main codex, Ultramarines will most likely be the Space Marine codex.

White Scars, Salamanders, Imperial Fists, and more
Now these are the chapters I see getting their own supplements. They are chapters that could throw in a few other small misc rules and equipment with some indepth background, and make a book. They are each one of the original space marine legions, and I think that these present more of an opportunity for codex supplements. Salamanders are my first choice for a Space Marine Codex Supplement. I rather miss seeing all these guys from a few years back.

Black Templar
What is going to happen here? Is this a primary candidate for a supplement? Wouldnt that be cool if it was released this year as one, and arrived later in the same month as the Marine codex?

Who knows, I have not heard much on these guys for some time, except that no codex is being dropped. That really says nothing though in regards to whether or not it will be downgraded to a codex supplement.



Space Marine codex Supplements. This is meant to be a discussion, so lets hear your views on them and what it will mean for Space Marine players.




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  1. To be fair, Space Wolves and Blood Angels originally started out as their own supplements. Nobody is saying that they can't have their own Unique Units of course, but it would make handling them a lot easier.

    This is especially applies to Codex: Blood Angels, whom most of the units there can also be found in the Vanilla Marines codex X3

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    1. Dude there is such a big difference between regular chapters that follow codex astartes and BA, BT or SW that separate dexes are fully justified.

      I would love to see Imperial Fist / BT in one book as separate force. That would be awesome. There is sucha big fanbase of Imperial Fists i think it is as big as BA or SW fanbase. I play many armies including SW but i would love to get my hands on IF codex. Especially with new fortifications etc. Would be awesome.

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    2. Space Wolves and Blood Angels did not "start out" as supplements. They were full codexes back in 2nd edition. Space Wolves came out in '94 and Angels of Death -which had both Blood and Dark Angels, was out in '96. They were later in 3rd ed made as supplement books, however everyone and their dog had a supplement book in 3rd ed, and I'm not sure those books were the best way to represent the forces they covered.

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    3. Codex: Angels of Death. Contained BAs and DAs and referred to codex ultramarines many times in regard to standard units like tactical squads. SO yeah, BAs did start out as a supplement to the standard marine codex.

      I for one would love to see all the chapters put back into supplements because it would mean that they could have standardized equipment. Personally it would be nice to see wolves have to play by the same "psychic hood" rules forced on the rest of us.

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    4. I reckon a Sons of Dorn codex would be incredible, but I don't see it happening. I think it would be the best way to continue Black Templars in a separate book, but Im becoming less and less convinced they will.
      What Im curious about, is if they'll start including characters, and even unit variations in these supplements. Iyanden seemed like a test run, pretty much to see if these things would sell, where they didn't want to invest anything unique to it (like a special character).
      From what I've seen, a lot of people seem to be buying, which may prompt GW to take the next supplement a step further. Really, how far they're willing to go could be what decides whether BT can really fit into a supplement. A couple characters, some special rules and a unique unit? I think so. Some Wargear, FoC shifting and a Warlord Traits table? Definitely not.

      I'm particularly interested in whether they'll go back and do supplements for the already released codecies. If a Kroot supplement comes out, I expect to die a gruesome death due to lungs flooded with joy. So; if that eventuates, and I stop posting, please bury me with my preordered Limited Edition. ;)

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    5. Codex Angels of Death contained two FULL army lists, it did not refer to or require Codex Ultramarines to function. The idea of actual codex supplements didn't begin until 3rd Edition. So NO BA's (or DA's or Space Wolves for that matter) DID NOT start out as a supplement to the standard space marine codex. Codex Ultramarines, Codex Angels of Death and Codex Space Wolves were all stand alone books. I hate the idea of supplement books, especially if I have to pay $83 Australian for the codex, then another $83 Australian for the supplement.

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  2. Lets hope that they come out with Chaos Legions supplements at some point. GW would make a killing and my old 3.5 dex Thousand Sons and Emperor's Children armies could make a glorious return to the tabletop as they were meant to be played.

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    1. In what way can they not with the current codex?

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    2. The thing with Chaos and Codex supplements is that it could be a neat way to tie the Daemons and Marines codex's together. Think about it: Supplement word Bearers would have HQ's that make it easier to summon Daemons and my be have a special "Summons" slot in there FOC to allow for units from the Daemons 'dex. Or hows about supplement Death Guard were you can take A great unclean one as an HQ and back him up with plague marines and old, blighted death shroud that liked through the heresy.

      There is a lot of good stuff in the CSM 'dex but it could just be the jumping off point for so much more.

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    3. For the Emperor's Children there are currently no rules for sonic dreadnoughts (or hellbrutes as they are now called), sonic predators, or cult terminators w/ sonic weapons. For the thousand sons all their is in the current dex is the Thousand Sons squad. They no longer have chosen sorcerer squad or improved casting abilities that befit those who worship the Tzeentch. Sure, you could mark vanilla CSM but they just don't fit that well with the fluff of the Thousand Sons. THe current dex is an improvement over the 4th ed one for but still pales to the 3.5 for some of the legions.

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    4. Totally agree with the above. I want more stuff with sonic weaponry for slaneesh and better options for tzeench. Also a better selection of daemon weapons would be nice better than the single one most list have.

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    5. That is a poor argument that can be made with every army. I need a Tau supplement with Kroot Unit X and Kroot unit Y. I need a Marine Supplement with Ravenguard unit X. At least Chaos has a built in system that allows you to mostly build those unique armies from the older Chaos Chapters. A lot of other armies do not have the options to field such flavorful armies with their base codex. you should be happy. I for one think they did a great job with the Chaos Space Marine book.

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    6. I second this- We need Chaos Legion supplements ASAP!!!

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    7. Most Chaos space marines don't operate as "legions" anymore, but the few distinct factions left could use some books, like iron warriors or night lords.

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    8. I reckon if they do chaos suppliments it wont be for the 4 god specific legion, more likely they will be adding basalisks to iron warriors etc

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  3. When I was thinking about more eldar supplement I realized this would suit GW very well for re-introductions of old models that still needs a remake. If GW will release new jet-bikes. That many players long for. They could sell them with a Saim-Hann craftworld supplement. And some aspects like haws and spiders might be remodeled in the future and sold with a Biel-tan supplement. And Ulthwé might be sold with a new box of combined storm and defender guardians and new warlocks... Just some thing I was thinking about... maybe it will never happened I don't know... What do you think?

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    1. Totally expert the saim-hann to be along side the expected jetbikes. Would be mad not to.

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    2. I hope they do something like this. It would also be a great time to bring in some extra bits. They could release some conversion bits such as shoulder pads, or even unique weapons like multi-meltas arms for Salamander terminators, or even some completely new units! I really hope that they make the most of the potential they have created with these suppliments.

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  4. Option 1- Blood Angel players need to buy a blood angels codex to pay for ~$50
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    Option 2- a space marine codex for ~$50 and a blood angels supplement for ~$50.

    I think games workshop will choose option 2.

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    1. The only reason I don't think this is true is because the Dark Angels have their own codex.

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    2. But the DAs codex was a rushed job. Also many of the DA units that also exist in the nilla dex listed in the back of the BRB are under "space marines". BTW "space marines" are the only codex back there not listed as "codex..."

      A lot of things look like they are set up to release a standard marine dex, then supplements.

      I could just be clinging to this in the hope that DAs have more planed for them instead of just being a half complete, unplaytested rush job.

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  5. ...so, assuming the "vanilla" SM&CSM codexes represent Ultrasmurfs and Black Legion/generic traitors, we would get 8 Chaos supplements and 5 Loyalist supplements for First Founding legions alone, then the most popular nonconventional descendant chapters like BT, Legion of the Damned, etc.

    Can you imagine GW balancing, updating, FAQ'ing, etc. dozens of supplements alongside the codexes? That's right, me neither.

    Also, interesting to see how the tourney folks will react to these supplements (not that I would ever bother going to a tournament). Will they continue to throw a hissy fit whenever someone even mentions FW while allowing all the myriads of variant lists from GW supplements, or will they ban these too?

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    1. I don't think there will be any Chaos Supplements in 6th ed.

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    2. Why would you have 8 chaos supplements? the legions are gone in 40k. maybe 2 or 3, probably digital only. As for the loyalists, most conformed to the codex and would only need 15 pages or less for special characters and a "chapter tactics" of sorts.

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  6. I think the major sm forces will get a full codex. Look at Dark Angels, they started off as a supplement and have a full 6th Ed codex.

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    1. That's what I was thinking too, it would make no sense to have a Dark Angels codex, but give everyone else just suppliments. I am however 100% for the suppliments for the vanilla codex. You can play it with just the vanilla codex, but if you want, you can add on the extra rules.

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  7. I'm really hoping for a Raven Guard supplement. They are the most different main codex chapter without having their own codex. There's no way to play them accurately in the current game, Shrike is borderline good nowadays. The closest one can get are Blood Angels for Assault Marine Troops and Furiosos(Yes RG have them, everything special to BA is only special to them inside their codex) and that's just troops, not actual tactics. Khan can give hit and run and make bikes troops as well, the Forgeworld RG character is a step in the right direction. At the end of the day though it's still charging headlong into your enemy and throwing dice. No real stealth or infiltration. No "Attack, Withdraw, Attack again."

    I would like things like Stealth/Infiltration army-wide, Shadowmasters for elite choices, Whispcutters and Shadowhawks for fast attack, access to Raven Pattern shotguns/Jump Packs and so on. While having no Land Raiders or other heavy tanks as an option at all. And scouts. Scouts everywhere.

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  8. As a Salamander Player I really want to see my army get a supplement, if we could get just a few of the options from the old Armageddon book (like ceramite plating for all vehicles) I would be very happy, I hate having to take a special character in order for my army to have the full flavor of my favorite chapter. I would be perfectly happy to pay extra points for upgrades for every unit to get special flamers or meltas rather than having to take Vulkan He'stan.

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  9. I honestly do not believe GW will invalidate the allies chart in the 6th edition book by deleting a stand alone codex and rolling it into a supplement. Currently they are expanding the portfolio of available armies with supplements and allies, not reducing choice.

    I predict a standalone Blood Angel book with a Flesh Terror supplement.

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    1. They wouldn't. The supplement would just work off the base codex... like its a supplement of the original.

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  10. I think BA will still have their own codex.
    If GW was planning to make a supplement for every chapter, they would have made the same with DA.
    But as you know they just released a full dex for them.

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    1. A full dex, with a Templar unit with converted shoulder pads. DAs was a rush job.

      At some point someone probably just said "wait so one of the armies in the box isnt getting a new codex for how long!?"

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  11. Based on the actual rules content within the Iyanden Supplement, we're probably looking at BT still getting their own Codex. Given the lack of new unit profiles or special characters.

    So if there IS going to be Marine Codex supplement, we probably are looking like it being an Imperial/Crimson Fists, Salamanders, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, White Scars book, with the very outside chance of it being a Blood Ravens book so they can let you take multiple Librarians per HQ slot. (But my money would be on those chapters that already have special characters represented in the current codex)

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    1. I bet they only do supplements for the most popular ones from that list. I see Salamanders/White Scars/Black Templar. That is all.

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    2. I have my fingers crossed so hard for official Blood Ravens units/rules, though I know it's probably a pipe dream, there are too many first founding chapters that would likely be getting a supplement first. But I have to hold out hope that GW will do something for all of the people, like me, that made the jump from DoW to the tabletop.

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  12. The only SM supplement that would be awesome to me would be a Legion of the Damned.

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    1. that would be cool. I would get it.

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    2. I would love that. But given the amount of story time they got in their own book its unlikely. Seriously don't read the "legion of the damned" if you looking for story about the legion of the damned.

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    3. that book, as good as it was, was a let down to its title. Though how fun would it be to see a Kersh model in the fist supplement that made them troops or something. As much as DA players want to piss and moan, damned have been the most ignored fluff wise, and in game.

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  13. Certainly, knowing what the Iyanden book contains, we know some things to expect - no new characters or units, perhaps a couple rules, and a little bit of FOC shuffling (like 1-5 Spiritseers and Wraithknight or Wraithlord as Warlord). As a result, I'd expect BT to still have their own codex, because they do actually have at least one major different unit, and can be fairly diverse in comparison to Marines.

    Those with a Codex already are unlikely to be rolled into supplements because they have unique units (like Deathwing Knights for DA, Sanguinary Guard for BA, and pretty much everything for SW).

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    1. Look a little closer at the Deathwing Knights... BT have tailboards, DAs have robes. BT are not getting another book or they wouldn't have put there unit in the DA one.

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  14. theres a rumor set on daka i just read

    bigger contemptor typ sm knight
    white scars dex
    bigger termis
    and so more i cant recall

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    1. We already had that one posted up here from earlier in the week.

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    2. The only thing I find odd is tht if the first supplement is white scars why do big term ies and dreads surely tht would b more suited to iron hands

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    3. But where are the rumors comming from? cuz DA were supposed to get a thunderfire like artillery model and a squad of CC guys with skull helms...

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    4. True enough. Personally I think the main issue with marine rumours now is a. How much moe can really be added ifrc wen the storm raven came out it was because gw thought sm were getting too close to guare wi tanks and b. Is it jus from hh mortariats/destroyers and the rapier fit da rumors and we no big robots are coming out

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  15. I think the rumor mongers claiming it will be less Ultramarines focused are mistaken. They aren't going to eliminate current special characters, or make a Space Marines codex without chapter specific heroes.

    I envision SM focusing on the vanilla Astares like Imperial Fists, Ultramarines, etc. BA and SW will definitely remain separate. The wild card is Black Templars. As a second founding, they really have no business with their own codex. I would almost like to see Codex Imperial Fists with a Black Templars supplement. Maybe it's just my OCD about a second founding having their own book.

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    1. They are the most codex divergent chapter along with Space Wolves. They would definitely lose some flavor and appeal if they were wrapped into the vanilla codex and forced to take special characters.

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    2. They were a mistake to begin with. Plus who is going to care it they get rolled into the nilla dex? all 4 Templar players?

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    3. Out of 30 or so people at my local club, there's 5 who play BT, myself included. There's many of us who have a BT army, we just cant bring them to tourneys anymore, because of how old they've gotten. We would love to play them again, but in the current meta it's tough. If they get a new codex, you will see how many BT players there truly are (kind of like the chapters fluff).

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  16. If this model becomes the new standard it would be easy to have an Inquisition codex with both Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle (and even Deathwatch I suppose). Whatever it takes to finally get a SoB codex...

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  17. I think, like everyone else, that suplements would be a great way to get more fluff and more specific rules into the space marines as well as other armies. However i dont see them just adding space wolves and blood angels as supplements if they were going to do that surely they would have done it with dark angels as well.

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  18. I've ordered my Eldar book. Two reasons: firstly, as a fan of Wraith constructs, Iyanden is an interesting ruleset and fluff to have, and secondly I want to support GW in their testing the water supplement in the hope that other forces will get one too. White Scars, Black Templars, Emp's Kids and the rest, I'm looking at you.

    Yeah, it could be cheaper but it's a good quality product so I don't mind paying. I only have to buy it once, for the same price as a big night out but it lasts longer and doesn't give me a hangover :P

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  19. Aren't there enough power armour factions without making those supplements theirs too??? If there are any other supplements one day, let it be for the Xenos please! :)

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    1. The first one of the supplements was for a xenos race...
      I guess every codex will get at least one supplement.

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    2. When the Orks codex is published, I would expect at least a Freebooters supplement, and possibly a supplement for a more Weirdboyz-driven mob with madboyz as troops, or maybe even a feral Orks supplement delving into using WHFB models. Wild speculation, of course.

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    3. 40k is about the fall the imperium of man. xenos have and always will be the side story to space marines. Plus given the lavish attention to models and rules they have gotten in the last few years, i don't think there is much room to complain anymore.

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    4. To be fair, in Rogue Trader no-one took a side-story to anyone; 40k hasn't always been Marines First.

      But yeah, you're correct, the Xenos have been getting the attention recently and as I play Tau & Eldar along with DA I consider this a great thing :]

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    5. I'd suspect an Ork Codex Supplement would focus on one of the Major clans before Freebooters.

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  20. If Black Templars aren't the first supplement out then I'd say they're still getting their own Codex.
    Having heard rumours of White Scars being first I think confirms it - theoretically...

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  21. Present codices (SW, DA, BA) are going to remain standalone codices. BT is the only one seriously up in the air, and that's most likely because they could be used to merge with Imperial Fists for the Sons of Dorn thing, allowing GW to kill two birds with one stone, and cover a supplement longshot (IF) with an established army (BT).

    White Scars are divergent enough to merit their own supplement, as are, I think, Iron Hands, Raven Guard, and (to a lesser degree unit- and FOC-wise, but just as big fluff-wise) Salamanders. If GW decides to break with tradition, and put the Crimson Fists forward as the base SM codex exemplar chapter, that would allow for things like Tyranid War Veterans and other flavorful UM units to see treatment in a supplement. Despite their supposed uber-compliance with Roboute's writings, Calgar seems to at times flip the script, and having those units would make the UM a little more unique.

    Someone up above suggest Saim-Hann supplement as the next possible release window for the long-rumored Eldar jetbikes refresh, and the more I think about it, the more I think that's the case, as it could not just bait buying from Saim-Hann fans, but cause an uptick in Eldar sales across the board yet again, providing a nice little bump in the financials. Perhaps similar things could be done for other supplements and codex refreshes. Space Wolves are still unable to handle air without allies, FW, or fortification guns, but if the new dex suddenly says they can use Storm Ravens and/or Talons are usable by Wolves, GW just moved a shedload of SM flyers. A Fleshtearers supplement would just require shoulder pads and maybe some chainblade zweihanders, but could, again, cause a bonus spike in BA unit sales. Hell, they could also do what they did for a short while with the SW Great Company transfer sheets, and make a few bucks for just selling stickers via Mail Order, too.

    As for Legion codices...I really wish they would, but I wouldn't hold my breath this edition. Yes, Thousand Sons got rogered but good this time around, and so did Emperors Children. But I think they'll probably get closer to updating Sisters before they start playing with a Legion dex. Games Development seems to like the idea of one size fits all on Chaos Marines, and I think that while that institutional mindset is changing, this is going to be the stubborn sticking point. 7th Ed might give them a fresh start, but that's a long ways off, hopefully.

    SM, CSM, and Eldar are pretty straightforward. And certain other codices suggest possible supplements, different ork clans, a kroot dex, Necron dynasty supplements, maybe an IG supplement to cover the Lost and the Damned...but then there are some where you may not have the possibility, like Sisters or Dark Eldar (I know, separate Orders and Kabals, but, c'mon...).

    I get the sense GW sees the potential sales and other opportunities here. I'm just not convinced that they're past the dipping-our-toes-in-the-surf phase. Time will tell, though.

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  22. It is very easy to predict: get into GW brains and think only about money.

    IF it can be sold as a Codex (or has been sold as a full codex before), it WILL BE a codex: they will not do a "downgrade". If they can sell it for 50 they will not do it for 35. So you think they will need more efforts? No way, all they need is to search through their archives and choose the proper artwork, fluff and adapt the rules to the new edition and you got it, a new dex to sell. They will not care about other considerations. AND if they decide to make expansions it is only because they know their target is a minority of players, so they won't choose a "minor" army or chapter to make a dex. Be glad, SoB, you sure will have your own dex or your expansión.

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    1. I'm not sure if you're trolling, have never seen the inside of a 6E codex or just bitter.

      I'll go with the last two. Chill out a bit? At least the Tau, Eldar & DA codicies, from cover to cover, are 95% brand new artwork, written from the ground up and have new units. You're implying that there's very little effort going into GW publications and they're just copies of past books with minor changes and that's just not the case. The DA book has around 5-6 pieces of art - now in colour - lifted from the old book and that's about it. New rules, updated fluff, new units, hardly any just photocopied over from old work.

      Games Workshop don't *ONLY* think about money. Profit is important, yes; stockholders put money into the business and expect to be paid, profit also has to go into paying designers, sculptors, painters, editors, authors, execs, maintenance of industrial sites inc their HQ, the support staff who keep the wheels greased, rates on all their shops all over the world, global chain shop staff, logistics, storage, printers, customer services...I'm sure there's more but you get the point. I hope you do, anyway even though explaining this kind of thing is usually a lost cause. People have a habit of viewing GW through some kind of odd SHOULDBECHEAPER SHOULDBEFREE filter but these people go on to compare GW's prices to much, much smaller companies like PP, Wyrd or whoever who basically joined the fray after GW had been getting people into the fantasy war-gaming for over a decade, playing a possibly not insignificant role in allowing third-party shops and stores to get established for newer companies to sell their products through. These guys do not have shareholders to pay, nor do they have a global chain of outlets to maintain and a fraction of the staff to pay.

      I don't know if it's because I've worked in several multi-national corporations and/or that I'm over 30 or what that seems to set me (mostly) against the OMG GW ARE GREEDY crew, but most people have no idea just how much of a large corporation's return goes into it's upkeep. GW aren't a massive company, generally speaking, but as far as fantasy war-gaming goes they're probably the biggest. It's no surprise that Games Workshop charge more; they have more to pay. If I were in charge of a well-established company of several thousand people, providing products for a million+ war-gamers worldwide in what is becoming a competitive market in what is still a crappy economy then I'd make sure that I had enough revenue to keep my company going while coming up with new releases each month too.

      If I have to pay a bit over the odds for a well-produced supplement which will encourage GW to produce more then I'm all for it.

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    2. You say 'it WILL BE a codex: they will not do a "downgrade". If they can sell it for 50 they will not do it for 35.' but think about it. This way EVERY marine player will need the core codex AND a lot of players will buy a supplement ASWELL. Again, more money. Having said that I don't see BT, SW, BA, GK or even SOB becoming a supplement purely based on the fact DA got their own 6ed dex and everything so far from GW during 6ed seems to be gearing towards more diverse, fluffy, chapter base gaming

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  23. What about a pre-Heresy supplement?

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    1. This would be super cool, but not likely as it would detract from HH sales

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  24. To be honest, I don't mind about the supplements. I play a vanilla marines chapter (not smurfs!) so I only want the 'dex but if I hear that one of the supplements fits my idea of them, I'll defo get it

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  25. I am considering the Iyanden supplement as I want to add more wraith units to my army and a few extra rules could be fun occasionally. Also I have a lot of aspect warriors so I want to see a Biel Tan supplement.

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  26. To be honest, BT need their own dex in my opinion. As a supplement to a SM dex there would be way too much conflict and confusion. No Librarians, no scouts... people would not like it. Keep it as it is and update the dex in my opinion, just give us a Thunderfire, my Templars need a Thunderfire!

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