Codex Space Marines has been said to be next by Stickmonkey and other sources. While it is probably a little ways out still, it seems there are some rumors floating about now.


While these rumors seem to be a couple weeks old, I had not yet read through these.

Please remember that these are rumors, some salt is always required.

via apparently from Frontline Gaming Originally
C:SM - next on the deck.
Given that the consensus seems to be that C:SM is the next codex in the pipes

These are some seriously juicy rumors from a source that has proven to be VERY reliable in the past!

Please excuse the grammar and spelling errors, I am quoting this directly.

Well apparently they are going to break up the dex so it’s not ultra marines heavy, they will have more generic characters then bring out expansions with characters and paint jobs for different chapters, same with the Eldar

So you buy the codex, then get the white scars expansion that gives you upgrades, characters etc. Now this fist come from my [deleted] buddy, it came from another source, but he seems to think that it going to happen.

So according to him the Eldar dex is coming out then there will a Ithilian (spelt wrong) expansionYou will need both books to play with themThis will also happen with the SM

Also there will be a integration of some things from FW into the new dex (weapons mostly) to expand on the current system. As well as a lot more upgrade options, givin ou a tone more flexibility with your lists (like the tau, demons crons did) All these dexes are bringing the game up to 6th Ed rule standard.

So ALL the dexes will be upgraded before they are done (GK, IMPS, NIDS, ORKS, SISTERS, BA, BT) But (if the ruinous are true) then the expansions will work with the dex for Imp Fist, White Scars, Ultramarines, etc.This is not official, my mate from [Deleted] [deleted] says they are gearing up For the next HH book (coming out Xmas) so will keep you posted on that, but it had Corax, Vulkan, the Gorgon as the three primarchs.

Plus a load of new awesome mecanicum, oh plus they have released a new Titan above a war lord but not a emporer, but for the life of me can’t remember the name.

Comes out in the battle of calth(The big ultramarine planet the word bearers invade)

Will let you knowHH book is scheduled for next year, Xmas will see mortarion An I think that’s about ItThe FW stuff I true The SM rumors are rumors But sound very plausible

Oh prob going to be a large Contemptor dread as well.

That sounds pretty awesome and very plausible! We’re seeing that Iyanden supplement codex for Eldar now, and it makes sense that GW would put out Chapter specific books as it is easy money, particularly if they are digital only.

This also ties in with the rumors we were told at the beginning of 6th that there would be supplemental codices coming out, and this ties right in with those mini-dex rumors.

Also, I am salivating at the idea of a giant, super Contemptor like the Riptide or Wraithknight! How cool would that be? And you know that would be a big money maker for GW, too.

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  2. I'd love to see them go back and do Chaos mini dexes... Hoping the trend continues.

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  3. Did you know its taken me over a year to figure out how to leave a comment and now you moving to a new site!

    Anyway I for one am looking forward to the direction they take with SM as I have an almost completely forge world salamanders army, although, I don't think a giant monstrous creature fits with their fluff, maybe I could see it in the HH as they were leading full planetary invasions then. Perhaps different land raider variants or better yet special rules designed to fit in with the surgical strike/always outnumbered theme.

    In all honesty do space marines really need any new units?

    Glad I can finally voice my severely limited wisdom.

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    1. the new site will be easier to manage than this one.

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    1. Agreed. Lord Corax is coming soon too!

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  5. I must second Vargna.

    Every major chapter has had some kind of special rule that at least comes close to their fluff apart from Raven Guard. Off the top of my head hit and run, stealth/shrouded shenanigans sound fitting. Perhaps some force org reshuffling and a warlord trait of giving 0-3 infantry units infiltrate?

    Oh and has anyone ever heard of the iron hands? I cant seem to find them in any codexes, apparently they cut off their hand and replace it with a robotic one...its supposed to be wild.

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    1. They already made Codex: Raven Guard. It's named Codex: Blood Angels.

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    2. Yeah I've used BA a lot for my Raven Guard but it still isn't good enough. It accomplishes lightning strikes but never "Attack, Withdraw, Attack Again."

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  6. Iron hand warlard triat:

    ' The high five of the gorgan'

    The iron hands warlord screams at a nominated enemy character in close combat 'Up top Bro!!'. The warlord high fives using his augmented hand with such force as to obliterate the enemy characters arm.

    The enemy character loses 1 attack and any close combat weapon he was holding.

    One use only, unless the iron hands player accomplishes something that could be described as 'awesomesauce'.

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  7. Well Dark Angels got screwed again if these rumors are true, although a giant dreadnought thingy would be quite awesome im not sure if it will fit with the space marines who really are like the SAS small teams which go in and beat people up and big hulking things is more imperial guard if you get where im coming from.

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  8. He mentions GK in the list of books to get an update but not Dark Eldar who are 6 months older and I would argue suffered more in the shift to 6th edition?

    I mean not that DE are unplayable or anything, I just want a Voidraven model (and Vector Dancer flyers)

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    1. And our frickin' special characters.

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    2. The Dark Eldar are quite playable at the moment, but this may not be the case as further 6th edition codexes arrive.

      Looking at the rules for the recent Eldar release, the Dark Eldar have a lot to gripe about. The Dark Eldar are meant to be fast, sacrificing armour for speed, but yet the Eldar now have Battle focus that makes them much faster than the the Dark Kin without any sacrifice in armour. This is exemplified by the fact that a Guardian is now the same profile as a Kabalite Warrior, when the original idea was that the civilians of Commoragh are intrinsically far more war like than the civilians of craftworlds, who use aspect warriors for that purpose. Ok, so a Warrior has a longer range than a gaurdian, and can wound anything on a 4+, but a guardian can glance AV10, AND can wound anything on a 6+ that becomes AP2, and can also wound T3 on a 3+ (compared to the 4+ of splinter weapons). While the two cost the same points, I think that the guardians are far more effective, especially given that they get a weapons platform that is relentless.

      I am not saying that the New Dark Eldar should have exactly the same as the Eldar, but something is needed to bring them back to being faster and at least as vicious (if not more vicious) than the Eldar again. While a Battle focus equivalent would be nice, perhaps a different form of it could be that Dark Eldar can run and assault which contrasts with the run/shoot ability of the the Eldar Battle focus. This still makes them as fast as the Eldar but with a different yet similar ability.

      But perhaps again just wish listing...

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    3. or something like battle dodge

      "The speed of the Dark Eldar allows them to avoid blows and bullets with almost unnatural grace"

      All units have a 6+ dodge save (so they always get a save even against bolters ap5 which ignores their armour always) Wyches have a 5+ version of this due to their preternatural skills and 4+ if they are charging into combat (so that they dont lose 5 models to overwatch every time then get beaten by the 10 space marine who fired) and move the flyers to fast attack, pretty much does it :p

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  9. We should see a Fantasy release first right? They tend to alternate between FB and 40k.

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    1. Yeah, July is Apoc, August/Sept unaccounted for but the rumours previously indicated an October release for Space Marines.

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    2. For WHFB the rumors pointed to a Lizardmen release in August or September or so.

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  10. Am I the only Space Marines player who thinks we could do without yet another giant kit? It would make Dreads look really silly, among other things!

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    1. Agreed, I would rather just stay with what we have and get some new kits of existing models. I would not mind a new Tactical box and maybe a Scout box that contain both rifles and bolters in one. Or you know Plastic Veterans with full options for Combi weapons.

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    2. I don't want a giant walker either, but I do not agree that SM don't need new units. I'd love to see some new artillery options beyond the TFC, preferably something that can damage more than just horde style armies.

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  11. At the HH Weekender they penciled in September (i.e. Games Day) for the release of the next HH book not Xmas as your source stated. 'Massacre Pt1' features Salamanders, Night Lords, Word Bearers and Iron Hands then 6-8 months later will be 'Massacre Pt2' with Raven Guard, Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists

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  12. Never thought I'd say this, but after playing against new Tau and Eldar, Marines may need this update. The new xenos codexes have so many rules counterintuitive to the BRB rule set (Battle Focus, Fighting Retreat, and Supporting Fire, for example) and so much AP2 now (Bladestorm on EVERYTHING WTF) that Imperials are kinda left sucking wind. On the other hand, I suppose xenos deserve their time to shine.

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    1. Except for Grey Knight. They should just go away.

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    2. Grey Knights don't need to go away, they just need to go back to being Daemonhunters again and forget all the Ward nonesense.

      Do you know how much it sucks to wait for years for a competitive codex update to play only to be forever branded as either a bandwagon-er or a cheesehunter? And by competitive, I mean have the option of winning a game once in a while as opposed to never.

      Back in the days of Daemonhunters, only HQ Knights, Terminator Knights (elite option only) and power armour Justicars had power weapons. That was fine, except when that Justicar cost 50 points before upgrades. The basic Terminator Knight was cheaper than that (By 4 points)! Points adjustments, plastic kits and new units were all that were needed really, not a retcon...

      So yeah; very much a disgruntled gamer here, but I do get fed up when my all metal Daemonhunter Grey Knights are lumped in the same boat with WAAC Ward Grey Knight armies.

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    3. I understand what you mean, I was half joking, haha. But I do resent having to go to the GK codex to play an inquisitor with henchmen. I'm of the opinion that we have enough power armour codexes. :\

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  13. Hmm.. If they dont add chapter tactics as options for generic chapmasters I dont know if I really like this.

    Its allways nice to get a new dex, but SM aint the one army needing a new the most. And if they remove the option to play around with chap tactics a big funny element of SM goes away.

    Im playing with a vanilla army and the options to change chapter tactic depending on what HW you use is a nice touch to not get caught up with the same list game after game.

    But I guess they wany players like me to buy all the extras so we still have access to all the HQ's =/

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  14. So far non of the frontline Rumors have ever been true. This is more spekulation based on Iyaden styl dex beeing possible for SMs than any facts.

    Besides that would be horrible. That would just mean pay more for Salamanders rule for example and get less pages of rules -.-

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    1. I actually read this on their site a few weeks before the eldar release.

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    2. I actually read this on their site a few weeks before the eldar release.

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    3. i was talking about rumors originating from Frontline not copy pasted ones.

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  15. I swear, if they release a separate digital Space Marines Codex just for this, forcing us to buy a new one, I am just going to give up on Games Workshop.

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  16. They could have introduced the mini dex idea when they STARTED with 6ed dexes (Chaos Marines), yet they only do this now.
    How many years am I suppossed to wait for legion rules or (kinda unrelated) greater daemon plastic kits?

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    1. Considering every codex will be out before the end of 2015, I doubt you'll wait long for Legion Supplements. Greater Demon plastic kits will come out after all codices are updated. The important thing right now is for all books to be updated in the same edition. That way everybody gets something, all the rules are relatively balanced, and they can focus on supplements, splash releases, and yes, getting old models updated. (I think there are some 2nd edition Special Characters that desperately need to be updated: Abaddon comes to mind.)

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  17. So I'm confused. Does this mean the BT will be in C:SM and then get a supplemental one for special characters or will they remain with a new stand alone??

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  18. 1. The supplements won't be digital only. Iyanden will be on shelves next weekend.

    2. Space Marines will likely be generic, as was Chaos Space Marines. If Iyanden proves to be a success, expect more of those supplements down the road (for marines and CSM especially). NOTE: These books aren't absolutely necessary. You don't HAVE to buy them, so stop blaming GW for making a product you don't have to buy. They can't profit off of you unless you pay them for something.

    3. If you want to play Black Templars, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, or Grey Knights, I wouldn't worry. You will still have entirely separate codices. Space Marines will still allow you to play Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists, White Scars, Salamanders, etc., and may even include the special characters. Warlord Traits, a few psychic powers, and even some unique wargear will likely be in the supplements.

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  19. The stuff said here about The Horus Heresy is wrong...just plain wrong...

    Next book is coming Games Day, its called Massacre. The Gorgan will be released for Games Day, next primarch after that is going to be a loyal looking Horus. Simon Egan said he will be basing it around the painting of Horus on the balcony at Ullanor. The 4 Legions released in the next book are Word Bearers, Night Lords, Iron Hands and Salamanders. Lorgar will have 2 sets of rules (confirmed by Alan Bligh in person) being both the highest pt primarch and the lowest pt primarch in book 2.

    With regards to titan, this was asked at one of the seminars and Steve Cottrell said there will be more titans but there is nothing in the works at the moment. This is because of the sheer amount of work the project is anyway and a titan would keep a designer occupied for 'about a year'

    Check my heresy blog at www.battlebunnies.blogspot.co.uk for reports from the Heresy weekender.

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  20. now its time to see what will happen to a book that gets an update in the aplle ipad store. can i say pitty the fools who bought it twice

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  21. Check out the back of 6th edition rule book, SMs are not listed as a "codex" just under the heading space marines, unlike everything else that's listed as "codex..."

    It does give me hope that the codex dark angels was just a rush job because one of the marketing team sobered up enough to realize that they can launch 6th with one of the box armies having a codex release over a year later. So DAs should get all the regular marines stuffs as well... kindda like how half the states for things in the back of the 6th rulebook are under space marines and not dark angels.

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