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CSM!!!! Thousands Sons, Forgefiends, and Warp Talons



This was just sent in to me via email, so here is the latest info on the upcoming Chaos Space Marine codex. It includes such units as Forgefiends, Warp Talons, the Dragon, and much more.....


Please remember that these are rumors.

via the Faeit 212 inbox
Thousand Sounds full squad is 20 Marines or 10 for half. 150 points gets you 4 sons and a Sorcerer. add more sons for 23 each. Sorcerer can take the boon of mutation ability (the one that gives him an extra roll on the chart at the beginning) for 10 points. he can also have meltabombs for 5 points, and you can buy an icon of flame for 15

230 Arhiman
240 for squad
although a level 3 sorcer is only 140, with mark of tzeentch he is 155

Raptors are 95 for 5, and 17 points for up to 10 more
same upgrades as before

WARP TALONS, are the new raptor. They are 160 for 5 and 30 each for up to 5 more. They all have twin lightning claws. and they have an attack on the turn they deep strike.
its not an assault on arrival. its an attack that makes everyone within 6" of the unit blinded. so if you thread the needle, they won't be shot up

Defiler is 195 now, with all the normal options.
demonforge, the ability you're thinking of, is a once per game re-roll to damage

Forgefiends are 175, they have TWO Hades Autocannons. A Hades Autocannon is 48", Heavy 4, Str 8 AP 4... pinning they are only bs 3, so it's about the same. and once per game it can reroll to-wound and to-pen you can, however, swap those weapons out for Ectoplasm cannons. which are str 8 plasma cannons. and for 200 you get THREE of them. so that's some ap 2 love
3 HP, 12/12/10 armor

Dragon 170, they have 1 hades auto cannon
3 HP, 12/12/10
they can make a melee attack against other fliers

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  1. Great! Thanks for the update :)

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  2. Sounds spiffy though don't know why 'butcher cannon' is omitted.

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    1. well it is the same profile as the hades autocannon listed....maybe a name change?

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  3. Wow, they really want us to ebay our old transports.

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    1. I'll take'em. I never expect them to survive as it is, so there nothing new here. Mech ain't dead and I'm still pleased with it's current state (so long as I'm not playing Khorne. *Tear*)

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  4. Can you please copy/paste to the rumor compilation?

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  5. I just wonder about the thing in the background of the artwork on the back on the rulebolk, probably nothing though!

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    1. brass scorpion ;)ring a bell or 2

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    2. I did wonder whether it was a Brass Scorpio looks kinda Nurgle-y though!

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    3. Is that thing under it a Helbrute? Looks same as the one from DW.

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  6. The Defiler was grossly overpriced before, why on earth would anyone use it at a nearly 33% increase in cost when its average lifespan was cut in half by the 6E rules?

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    1. A business decision to sell the newer heavy support models/choices? Unfortunately. Sounds like the Defiler was Carnifexed...

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    2. Take a plague hulk for 205, so much better.

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    3. Yeah, I would agree that they probably over priced it so that nobody would use them anymore. It's a fairly common tactic in GW these days :(

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    4. that doesnt really make sense. I know this is a popular opinion, but take a closer look. 195pts for 4 hull points?

      I think people are jumping to early conclusions.

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    5. Sorry natfka, but for AV 12 that's a rip off. Why take them when you can get the new T 5 blits ?

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    6. agreed - i think 150 points was the limit

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    7. Imperial Guard can get Leman Russ Battle Tanks for the same amount of points (150). It has the same 8/3 large blast, and AV14 front! Altough it cannot make any close combat, but who cares, if it's a shooting engine...
      Maybe it's caused by the 5+ invulnerable save. My poor Defiler, looks still overpriced :(

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    8. GW wants us to buy all the toys they sell. Making a cureent model crap so it does not sell is not a good buisness decision and makes no sence. Now if they discontinued the defiler I would agree. And personaly a defiler is awsome, cover at 25% now, fleet, shoot two weapons on the move and then assault, 4 hp's. Yes please, I'm taking one.

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    9. If it gains a 5+ invul save its worth an increase, cause other than that fliers shoot it at AV 10 from behind first thing. Heck even AV 14 land raiders dont last long in 6th.

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  7. Someone said that the boon of mutation (chart) ability is actually #1 on the Tzeentch Discipline. Can someone fix this? Is it an ABILITY, or a psychic power? Logan? :]

    C'mon, Logan. You're our hero.

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  8. This... looks awful.

    The Defilers were just mediocre to begin with, their only saving grace was their relative cheapness. Now they're way too overpriced for what they're worth. The Forgefiend also too seems far too costly firing only at BS 3.

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    1. ..I disagree, my friend. My defilers have actually become "good", and the Hull Points mechanic is a direct result. I see less immobilized/weapon destroyed.

      I would pay the extra points for the 5+ Invulnerable Save and the ability to repair WD/Immobilized results (as rumored). We also don't know if they will be AV13.

      The Forgefiend is something that my army definitely needs- AP2 or Strength 8 AP4 (8 shots). I agree with you, that the BS 3 sucks. It seems that the Forge rule or whatever the hell it is will come in handy.

      We'll have to see. I am excited to sit down with the codex for at least a couple days and think, yknow?

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    2. Regarding Hull Points.. I think I messed up that sentence. You know what I mean. ^

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    3. Yeah, I know what you mean Anon. I guess I'll only be able to know once I get my hands on the codex and get a chance to adjust my playstyle.

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    4. is it just me, or are the thousand sons grossly overpriced. i dont play Chaos, so I don't know, but 23 pts seems like a ton to pay...

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    5. Playstyle indeed.. Ironically, I will want to use the same basic list I've been running for years, but with new cool stuff. I'm thinking-

      Ahriman
      Lvl 3 Sorcerer
      5 Terminators (2 wound rubric count as!)
      9 Tsons on foot (x4 units)
      2 Fliers
      2 Forgefiends (one autocannon, one ectowhatever)

      My #1 goal is to make a nice 1850pt list. To fit all of the above I might have to just run 1 flier instead of 2.

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    6. 242pts seems nice for a 9man squad on foot. It is currently 254. With the price drop on Ahriman and some cool gadgets, I believe that if the rumors hold true then Thousand Sons are appropriately costed!

      Think about running Ahriman for 3x units that are Infiltrators.

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    7. Uhhhh, THREE plasma cannons, anyone?! BS3 is only an inch of a difference!

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    8. Necrons walk up and troll defiler....

      "Problem Deamins?"

      Also 3 plasma cannons is gonna be big against terminator/gk foot spam for sure.

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    9. A few of the vehicles (possibly defiler ;D) havr the it. Will not die too.

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    10. I don't think 3 plasma cannons are going to be that important. You can take 5 plasma cannon shots on a Leman Russ, which you can squadron, potentially getting 15 plasma cannon shots. I don't see people freaking out about that.

      Granted, the str 8 boost will be nice, and with bs 3, better chance for scatter, which is sometimes actually good, especially if the opponent is spread out, or you want to hit multiple vehicles.

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    11. the main change is the Str 8, because it instant deaths Paladins and the like + more potential to vehicles, that is a game changer when looking on a normal plasma cannon. And maybe it doesn't "get hot" ?
      we will see when codex is out.

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  9. Wait, level 3 is 140, Mark of Tzeentch makes it 155?

    So... Level 4 sorcerer?

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    1. I would suspect that MoT might not increase mastery level. It'll probably increase Warp Charge or something instead, IMHO.

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    2. Increasing Warp Charge would be the same as increasing Mastery Level.

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  10. 200 points is about right for three BS3 Plasma cannons. 75% of the time that's what i'm using my three obliterator shots on and that's 225... And the 3 oblits are a far sight more survivable than an AV12/3hp vehicle. Especially one that can glance itself to death with Gets hot rolls.

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    1. Guard gets 5 BS3 plasma cannons, one of which can't suffer from gets hot, and is AV14 on the front and can fire all 5 shots on the move. It's also cheaper.

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  11. Why names on everything BUT the flyer???

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  12. Do we know what slot Raptors and Warp Talons are taking up? If one of them becomes a troop choice either by codex or special HQ choice, I've already told my friends that I'm building a Chaos Raptor army. If they both take up the Fast Attack slot only, that would put a damper on my spirits.

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    1. From what has been put out so far, the only way the FOC can be changed is by special characters/lords with mark of a god making that cult troops instead of elites, and Abaddon making Chosen troops instead of elites as well. While not impossible, I wouldn't get my hopes up for any variant of Raptors being troops :(

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    2. That is sad, because that means no Night Lord love.

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    3. Stop being sad that 3.5 is gone.

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    4. Anon - so what about the people who don't play one of the 'big 5' legions?
      Seems like poor (albeit expected) form if they once again don't get so much as a special character to make their armies work the way they're supposed to...

      Personally I'm hoping for Warp Talons in the elite slot.

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  13. I really hope the defiler isn't that expensive... does it get the 5+ invulnerable save? Can it regenerate hull points?

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    1. It is one of those. But there are other ways to get the other ability so do not fret.

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    2. I will guess the 5+ invul is standard. As those weird mechanicum warp smiths or watber r supposed to repair hull points.

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    3. Save us oh mighty Logan are all those true? Any change to the thousand sons other then sorcerer gear?

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    4. Save us oh mighty Logan are all those true? Any change to the thousand sons other then sorcerer gear?

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    5. The havocs and Warp Talons are true. The dragon is just sooo close. The defiler is missing some details. Ahriman is cheaper. But cant remeber if that was the same cost i saw in the book.

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    6. Defilers are marked as having the Demon special rule now I thought? That would give it the 5+ invul anyways. While I could be wrong, I don't think I am...

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    7. It's not in the FAQ, I think that was just a rumor that never came to pass.

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    8. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere that he was a daemon

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  14. Oh and wasnt there there a supposed"correct" rumor saying Mr. Dragon would have 2 butcher cannons? Lies!

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  15. Believe the standard armament rumor was 2 reaper autocannons upgradeable to butchers. Which seems the most reasonable set.

    though, 170 points for two reapers? nightscythe seems to debunk the cost effectiveness of that.

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  16. Its the one-shot defiler thing that makes me think these rumors are wrong.

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  17. What is this Boon of Mutation thing? Can you become a demon prince at the start of the game? Lol.

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    1. Presently, Boon of Mutation turns enemies to spawn. Think the range is 6" though.

      Roll a D6 and if you roll higher than the targets Toughness they become a spawn. No saves of any kind, not even Invulnerable allowed.

      Best used against Guard with T3 as you roll 4+ to turn Lord Commissars and the like to Spawn. Very amusing to see them tearing into their former comrades.

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    2. I know what Boon of Mutation is, I use Thousand Sons with Tzeentch Demons. Thanks

      I meant the 10pt boon for the Aspiring Sorcerer pertaining to the rumored charts.

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    3. Aetaos'rau'keres has Template Boon of Mutation ;D

      Sounds like Boon of Mutation will now be the equivelant of current Familiars, with a doubled cost.

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  18. I think I'm going to get my hands on those Warp Talons. a small squad will hid nicely behind an LR or Rhino easy first turn and then jump out and get stabby on something turn 2.

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  19. alright now to wait for slaanesh stuff.....

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  20. This whole thing sounds overcosted and bogus.

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    1. And what good is a power that "blinds" everything within 6"? Everything else can still shoot them. 175 points for an AV12 walker? 195 for a Defiler? Who would take that?

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    2. Maybe it has indirect fire again.

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    3. As for blind - it's quite good for melee assault unit, just be careful when choosing your target.

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  21. str8 plasma is cool, but that just pushes the meta even farther towards cheaper bodies (GHs, IG blobs). terminators already kinda suck in that they don't get enough attacks per point and it's 40+pts a wound... 3 GHs give you 3 wounds and 9 attacks for about the same price. the plasma would kill a ton of driagowing, except that at 375pts (if i understand correctly) that's not necessarily the world's best buy at AV12.

    we'll see though, i'm sure.

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    1. You are grossly misunderstanding it. He is saying that it only costs 200 points for the forgefiend with ectoplasm

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  22. Everything apart from the sorcerer seems way over priced its quite scary,is this Gona be the same as current codex where you paying far to much it isn't competitive ?
    The dragon with 2 cannons is,reasonable but if its got one as stated above that again will be way over costed!
    Help Logan are these costs,true?

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  23. So chaos is going to be the next stupidly overpowered codex...
    great, now people will be taking both necrons and csm and they will be unbeatable.

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    1. These rumours just posted means that everything is way overcosted. What are you even talking about?

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    2. Nothing in these rumors is even remotely good.

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    3. Or... You could all try not being so bloody negative about everything.

      Who am I kidding, these are the internets!

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  24. Well, the Defiler must be upgraded like hell if the price is real to be worth considering. Otherwhise....GW wants us to play armies based on Codizes from Matt Ward. Hell came true :D

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  25. It would be cool if the helbrute can take and ectoplasm cannon. Sorry, but I cant help but think of ghostbusters when I hear that name.

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    1. Um...southpark anyone?

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    2. South park is for the simple minded

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  26. The word on sorcerer's poses a few problems for me...

    Like how the hell am I going to be able to write a fluff piece for the two Mastery level 3 sorcerers that will inevitably end up in my lists.

    Also Hades Cannon, I don't know but I like the name more than Butcher Cannon.

    Great post, thank you muchly Faeit.

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    1. They could be brothers? Commanding the army together whilst each secretly tries to get rid of the other. Or if your army is Thousand Sons... no excuse needed ;)

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  27. Hades cannon sounds good. It I will eat my own face if gw ever name anything as stupidly as an ectoplasm cannon! Don't really rate thIs current set of leaks, can't also see gw over pricing the defiler that way. They are in this to sell toy soldiers making something unusable from the go doesn't make sence

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    1. They're in it to sell NEW toy soldiers. They want the focus on the shiny new stuff they release, not the stuff that has been around for years. If they make the old stuff on par with the new - why would anyone buy new releases? Simple logic says that CSM players probably already bought a defiler or two if they actually liked the models - but how many have bought Forgefiends?

      Smart business says to make newer models better in the codex.

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  28. Rumours sound very wrong to me. No Butcher Cannons, instead we get stuff like "Ectoplasm cannon"? The "melee attack" is probably the vector strike and I thought the daemonforge rule was already proclaimed false?

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    1. I agree. Something is wonky about these rumors, especially with 1kSons not dropping in price substantially.

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    2. None of the rumours stated 1k sons were going down in price. Sorcerers were gonna be cheaper, and they come with soul blaze apparently. That's it.

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  29. no way is the defiler worth that level of points increase and 1k sons going up loads too, im not liking the sounds of these rumors, whatever happened to new codex's the prices going down! certainly not going to match GK/necron cheese at this rate.

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  30. If these rumours are true, TSons won't be much more seen on the fields... Too bad, I really like them!

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    1. Good, while you guys are spewing "The sky is falling", I'll once again be the only person running a beautiful and fluffy Tsons list for another five years.

      Good riddance.

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  31. GREAT NAFTKA!!!
    tou are a true FARSEER!!! LOL

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  32. No Furious Charge for Raptors? Meh... Their taloned feet should have some representation in rules, i.e. +1 attack during charge. Blind ability at 6" of landing zone is not that bad, keeping in mind, that mechanized armies are less popular - at least I take that as reference to their screaming amplifiers and voxcasters.

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    1. If the rumoured Icon/Mark-system still stands, and these Warp Talons has acces to them, then you're still able to give them Furious Charge. Not to mention if a Dark Apostle has acces to a Jump Pack, it would be another way to transfer the rule.

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    2. I'll go for Slaanesh on raptors, just hope that rumors are true and it will give them the sweet rending rule. Besides, I already have 12 Slaaneshi cult painted raptors, I've bnen always planning to increase the numbers.

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  33. Just gotta say that pic is friggn sweet! I never liked the TS's coz they were just too prissy. If GW make some minis like that I'll buy a bunch!

    LinZ

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    1. That's one of Clint Langley's WH40K art entries. My personal favorite illustrator, to mention. His oeuvre is magnificent.

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    2. Shean if I remember right, he also did LOTS of other Tsons stuff?

      Scarab dreadnought, etc.

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    3. Exactly, TSons army was part of his assignment on Dark Millennium CCG 2007, Shadows of the Warp set. Black Library/GW could get tons of money on reissuing Clint Langley art digital book, I bet. Judge yourself: best eldar art, best tsons art, best SM art, best orks and that's only about WH40K.

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    4. That's what I was thinking of but couldn't remember the name, Shean- Dark Millennium.
      My inspiration for custom Aspiring Sorcerers comes from his art work. Lots of it was featured in Black Crusade RPG as well.

      I also like the cover of Battle of the Fang. The helmet style of the Tsons and the grittyness of the Space Wolves was great. I need to look that artist up too.

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    5. Battle of the Fang art belongs to the respected mr. Jon Sullivan. link Number two WH40K illustrator in my personal opinion.

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  34. Da da da Ada duuhhh I'm loving it

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  35. So my army will probably be:
    HQ: Lords and Sorcerers
    TROOPS: Cultists
    ELITES: Chosen
    FAST ATTACK: Warp Talons
    HEAVY SUPPORT: Defilers
    With a few additions in the form of Obliterators, Forgefiends and Dragon.

    Just got to wait and see the codex and models.

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    1. Good luck getting any objectives with cultists

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  36. So it seems that TSons are still useless due to their point cost.
    Now the 9 man squad with sorcerer that throws Doombolt cost 277pts. That's 2pts more than with new rumors. Great! 2pts less than before.
    Flame Icon? What a name is this btw?

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    1. Not sure about the Flame Icon. But since its an icon in a squad my guess would be a benefit for the whole unit. Soul Blaze maybe? just guessing

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    2. Your math is off dude. A 9 man Thousand Sons squad is 254 with Doombolt. From the looks of it you've payed for a ninth Rubric Marine on top of the Aspiring Sorcerer. 1K Sons don't upgrade a model, you pay for the sorcerer separately. So 8 x 23 - 184, then plus 60 - 244, then plus 10 - 254. Nine man squad with doombolt.
      From these rumours, it's 2 points cheaper.

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    3. You're right, my mistake ;]
      But still it's way too much.
      8x Plague Marines with Plague Champion w/PF and 2x Plasma Gun in my opinion is still more point effective on board with 5+ reroll of 3+ save able to kill Terminators and costs same as nine Rubrics.

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  37. If the dragon only has 4 shots at BS3 its not gonna be the flier mangler previously thought. Vector strike is good but with hull mounted weapons (as I'm assuming the Hades cannons will be) this thing isn't so much going to be dropping flyers but rather knocking of one or two hull points.

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  38. Do we have any leaked pictures of the codex and/or models yet? I thought we'd have something so close to the release.

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  39. good, I want absolutely the Forgefiends u.u

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  40. Weren't Forgefiends rumoured to be fielded as a squad?

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  41. I want flying discs for Thousand sons, it would be Awesome. Are we getting ecto cannons for preds too?

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  42. I think these ''rumours'' are false, everything is over priced and phil kelly write competitive codex's.
    I think this is partly wish listed - the chaos marine book should be able to compete with the likes of space marines , grey knights and heavy tank spam from guard.

    I hope the codex is good because i just invested in getting some chaos models and so far the codex sounds terrible.

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  43. Just remember, for 26 points you can get a jetpack-equipped, force-weapon wielding, grey knight...

    None of the noted chaos prices seem to be even able to compare...

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  44. Chaos SPAM! I've never seen so many rumors about one army in such a short period. Where are my TAU and where are the eldar? I'm sick of rines... DA next too?? Zomg kills mes nows (then resurrect for tau) I hate chaos they are über good already and I think tau are in dire need of real rumors. I miss all the on the horizon stuff... Let's say to hell with chaos and start posting juicy new pics of anything that isn't related to the Horus heresy or the like. Can't wait for 2013!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry no offense I really enjoyed these rumors don't get me wrong!!

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    1. I know what you feel, have a small Tau army myself, but Chaos players are waiting for these rumors for too long. 5th CSM codex was released at 2007, you can't imagine how I'm excited now. BTW, I've joined the blob of Faeit 212 blog readers just of premonition of Chaos coming (and don't have intention to leave it so far).

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    2. Chaos are uber good? What?

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    3. Chaos is not uber good. The only semi-decent build that can be made from that codex is Lash spam, plague marine spam, and obliterator spam. The current codex sucks.

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  45. Okay agreed I feel worse now lol.... 2007 is a long wait. I'm excited for you guys now haha!

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  46. Is it youst me, or will the new CSM-Dex (rumorwise) be overpriced and a bit uncool?


    Thousand Sounds are expensive and can do - what? Same as before?

    Raptors - yay they me be a bargain

    WARP TALONS - who needs this expensive unit? you drop "blind" someone in 6" and other elements of the opponent will still blast you to pieces - to 30 point each pieces ... heroic intervention with delay ...

    Defiler - wtf one (1) reRoll for damage-repair PER GAME for about 50 pts.?! are they kidding? in the bad case you blow up anyway and have wasted 50 pts.

    Forgefiends - okay when the price is for a squad of three, then ists okay, but if its per FF, its way to expensive

    I hope we don´t end up with the first "fix the points" codex while the wolfes, angels and knights will get there cheapy stuff a couple of years till they update to a new round of cheaper stuff :-(

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    1. There's no way it would be 175 points for 3 Forgefiends. It's 175 each, which isn't bad at all. Compared to a Riflemen dreads it costs 40 points more but you get 4 more shots (all shots at BS 3).

      Also the Ectoplasm version isn't shabby at all so far. having 3 upgraded plasma cannons is quite nice. I would say take 3 of these for 9 shots per turn and have a blast :)

      The question remains if these Forgefiends can be fielded in squads rather than 1 per HS (as it was rumoured some time ago) as these will be highly favoured in every Chaos army.

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  47. i agree that the chaos space marine codex should be close in points margin to the space wolves (one of the best codex's done)

    I have some hope left but with more rumours coming out recently, m=then my hope dimmers

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  48. I've run around the internet and I'm already noticing all the doomsayers.

    We don't have the full picture yet. There's a lot of special rules, upgrades, and abilities that we don't know. We don't know if you can take certain things in squadrons, or what other special rules something might have (like a free 5+ invul for having the Daemon special rule), or upgrades (like Mark of Nurgle to give a vehicle It Will Not Die or something). There's a lot out there that's still to be released.

    I'm optimistic. If these things are going to cost 200+ points a pop, then they should be pretty threatening on the table, which is good.

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  49. Regarding Ahriman- Rumors say he is able to select Biomancy, Pyromancy and Telepathy. Another says he has almost every Discipline.

    Has anyone heard if he has Divination? Imagine being able to take advantage of a Level 4 with all Level 1 powers. WOW!

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