For Warhammer 40k our Hastings order of releases is soon to run out. He laid out Tau as our next release, and after that Eldar. So what is after that?..........

Well, one way to take a look at this, is to figure out what armies are being playtested right now. A source very much laid it out, and some of it was quite shocking. 

The first thing that stands out when looking at this set is........ Why are Chaos Space Marines listed here. Truth be told, I have no idea, perhaps for a future supplement or expansion? Perhaps it was a mistake that it was listed? 

The source itself appears sound for what he knows regarding playtesting, so I am at a loss. I have been unable to get an answer to this, or find out any additional information. Perhaps it is nothing.

Imperial Guard: Whooo hoo. I would love to see a 6th edition revision for this codex. Not only because I play this codex, but it is everyone's ally in 6th. Its release would significantly effect many different codices.

Before I go too far on what I think of this, here is the rumor bit. Please remember that rumors always require the use of some salt.

via an anonymous source
I wanted to email you, as I saw you post some Ork rumors the other
day. I did not send those rumors out, but I can confirm somewhat their accuracy. There has been a lot of playtesting Orks vs. Marines, vs. Tyranids, and vs. Tau. I
know there is another group doing Eldar, IG, Black Templar, and Chaos Space Marines.


48 Comments:

  1. I can see the inclusion of CSM as a benchmark army to be tested against. Eldar, Orks, and Templar need updated, arguably more than Tau, so I'm glad to see them in there. Marines and Nids being the other benchmarks wouldn't be implausible.

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    1. I'm going with this thought, too: CSM were the first done, so it's likely other armies are measured against them first for balance.

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    2. I heard they had balanced CSM against C:SM. It makes sense with 6th trending toward looking okay at first look and good the longer you look at it. 5th edition just burst out of a wall and beat you up with its awesomeness.

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    3. i think that CSM fight with deamons allies so its necessary.. to avoid crazy buggy imbas.

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    4. the idea of useing CSM as a benchmark makes a lot of sense to me

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    1. All 4 people who play them don't give GW enough incentive to inject creativity into the Nuns.

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    2. Maybe more than four people would play them if GW updated them. Notice anything different about DE since they were updated?

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    3. @McDoogle, ouch, but lol. My wife would play more if her sisters were updated. I think a lot of female players would emerge from the woodworks if sisters were really usable. Don't you want to see more female wargamers?

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    4. Wasn't there info last year from UK games day that said they were being looked at it was just the conversion from metal to plastic which was causing hiccups?

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    5. More female players would just be too much of a distraction to the game, what with their lack of neck beards, soft jiggly parts (in the right desirable places) and their unusual fragrance of soap and washed body parts. I mean really, who would really want to play against such opponents!?!?!?


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    6. It's not the codex holding sisters back. I happen to have the number 1 sisters player in the us tourney scene in my flags. The white dwarf codex they is awesome. What's holding them back, is that they are $80 for a squad of 10. The GW price is literally 8 bucks a model. If sisters ever came in line price wise.....watch out!

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    7. we want plastic sisters at a reasonable prize :P

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    8. What Wolflord said. I was thinking about getting a Sisters of Battle ally squad for Space Marines. It's not practical for me to pay that much.

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    9. if I could, at a reasonable price buy a sisters army I'd be VERY tempted to play them. it's simply not at this time economcily feesable

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  3. As others have stated, Chaos was the first book, and thus will be the benchmark. This helps avoid creep since, rumor has it, GW wants 6th edition to last.

    Get all the books out fast so the rules are in-line with each other, then release splash kits and supplemental rules/FAQ's throughout.

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  4. Chaos Space Marine book is really good.

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    1. We shall agree to disagree. Not complaining about power, just diversity and usefulness of some units.

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    2. I wouldn't say it's "really good," but I think it's better than people give it credit for. Now that daemons are out I think you'll see a rise in CSM players with Daemon allies or vice versa as the two books seem to work really well together.

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    3. I just wish they would stop making books where units exist that "clearly" should not be taken, such as mutilators or warp talons.

      Also, it is apparent daemons got a total rewrite, which i love and respect. CSM got a lot of copy and paste from previous codex. Thats a little frustrating.

      Daemons codex to me is by far the best of the three 6th ed codices because it is clear they really took a lot of time and put a lot of thought into the ENTIRE book cover to cover. I appreciate that.

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    4. I don't get the mutilator hate, they are cheaper per-wound than CSM termies, can be made T5 or 4++, can stand up to any type of unit in close combat (and having to switch per phase isn't a big deal since they have 2 AP3 initiative weapons and 2 AP2 initiative weapons).

      Plus you can take one and either eat a bunch of shooting or get it stuck into a unit that will take multiple turns to kill it.

      Mutis are one of my favorite units in the codex. That said I seriously don't get the point of warp talons. I guess I just have bad luck deepstriking. I've never (and never will) deep struck my mutis though.

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  5. Seems to be a growing trend of the 6th ed armies being hit with the balance hammer. From that perspective IG players may want to get their games in now ;)

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  6. Anyone else notice BLACK TEMPLARS. YAY!

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    1. Some people care! Word on the street though is that they're still 2 years or so away.

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    2. All tue dex's will be done by december 2014 or at the latest by march 2015 this will give 6th edition more longevity so don't worry about it

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    3. Black Templar if they are being playtested right now, are not two years out. Once playtesting is done, its about 4-6 months to print copy. Then its just needing an open slot to be released.

      Black Templar and Imperial Guard, along with tyranids looks like releases for next year.

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    4. Well that makes me a happy camper.

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    5. I have Templars, Eldar (and eyeing up some Tau Allies), and Orks so I am very chuffed. The first two are my main armies and though I am not a competetive person I got really tired of being everyones Bitch. A set of balanced codices for a good lot of armies will give me and my group a game we can really enjoy.

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  7. I think we will see Eldar afer Tau then Orks and Tyranids.

    I expect Imperial Guard are involved with all the play testing purely because Imperial Guard are a very popular allied force and could become even more so if Tyranids get Genestealer cults in the form of Guard allies.

    As for Chaos Space Marines they are the first true 6th edition codex against which all other should be judged to insure balance moving forwards.

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    1. As a CSM player, I cannot wait for a new Eldar book. I am always afraid to field Ahriman because he'll kill himself by turn 3. If the 6th ed trend says anything, those Farseer anti-psyker powers will get nerfed.

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    2. It's possible that the Runes get nerfed but I don't think that they should. Eldar are supposed to be, arguably, one of the top two psychic armies in 40k. You are supposed to get slapped in the mouth when you try to use abilities against us!
      Slap.

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    3. Runes will likely get a range limitation with the new codex. And its a much needed nerf if you ask me.

      What I'm sure most Eldar players are NOT looking forward to is the inevitable loss of the guaranteed power list. Random powers means no guaranteed Fortune and Guide for every Farseer. Space Wolf and Codex Marine players are probably dreading the same thing.

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    4. Ugh. That old argument again. Rules should be influenced by fluff, not be reflective of fluff. Runes of warding are not fun and the game needs emphasis on fun. Otherwise the shadow in the warp would be game breaking powerful and necrons would have a rule called "your sun got snuffed. Necrons always win"

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    1. Thats going along my thinking. But is speculation on my part.

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  9. Legions are largely unnecessary at this point. Unless you need point and click HQs for your legions to make them viable. Word bearers have acolytes and cultists and daemon allies. Night Lords get raptors and Warp Talons. Iron Warriors get moar Daemon Engines! Alpha Legion has Huron(cheap option to make their infiltrate ability legal.) the other cults(Khorne, Nurgle et.al) have cult troops. and the Black Legion well, they get the whole dang book. (and still lose, Abby you need to take some tactics classes or something. Check out ITT tech and their Warmaster track).They may not all be good but they're all represented.

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  10. 2013
    Tau
    Apocalypse Redux
    Codex: Allies
    Sisters
    Eldar
    2014
    Vanilla SPESS MAHREENS
    Orks & Grots
    BT
    IG
    Nids
    Vikings IN SPAAAAAAACE

    Just my .02€

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    1. Your list makes too much sense for GW to actually do it. There will have to be some kind of wtf release like a new Necrons dex. -_-

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    2. In all honesty, I wouldn't have a problem with a new Necron codex....they need to be toned down! A broken army is a broken army, no matter how old or young their codex is.

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    3. Dont worry they will release some random supplement that give deathwing assault to all vanilla marines and and anything left in the blood angles codex that original to them to every chapter.

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    4. I can't help but wish/pray/dream of a new sister codex ASAP. I know black templars need love too, and they make just as much sense to me as the requisite 'imperial' army that divides up the other codex updates... but I want my sisters T_T

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  11. Remember the post about "6th Edition is Here to Stay?" There was an item stating that once they rerelease updated codexes they will plug the gaps of each codex by introducing new units for that book. Its possible that the CSM listed are the new units that may come out in the future.

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    1. makes sense to me, the CSM's are solid but they could use a transport flier.

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  13. IG! IG! IG! IG! IG! IG!

    Yes, I'm excited. The Hastings Plan bores me to tears, as not a single one of my 4 armies is listed, and the 5th I'm considering (LM) is the last one on the list. IG needs new models and rules, too many of the units are old models and too many are nearly unplayable in 6th. So yes, again...

    IG! IG! IG! IG! IG! IG! IG!

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    1. IG only if they re-release the Praetorians!

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