Kroot, Vespid..... Will they be in the Tau codex? Everyone has been rather silent about it until now. Here finally is a rumor that cuts right into the subject, the Answer...... No Aliens. However, this bit declares there will be an Allied Supplement with the aliens that are missing in the Tau codex, Kroot and Vespid, and even another race.........


Please remember that these are rumors, and that some salt is always required.

via Ravengardt from the Faeit 212 inbox
- Aliens are out. No Kroot, no nothing.
- There will be some kind of supplement with alien allies. With Kroot, 
Vespids and a race described in "The Greater Good" novel. I don't know 
when, I don't know if it's a codex or WD thing or anything.
- Broadside Railguns can choose each round if: Str 8 Ap1/ Str 6 AP3 blast
- Tank/ Riptide Railguns have Str 10 AP1, I don't know about the fire 
modes.
- Tank commander gives skyfire to the tanks

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  1. Sounds good to me mostly. I have a lot of Kroot but I very seldom use them so this is no big loss to me, however I do know players who just love Kroot so this will get them going.

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    1. The real trick is krot players will HAVE to buy TWO codexes instead of one... ALL of them hace Tau, it was mandatory, so they will buy Tau dex, and if they want to keep using their kroot... pay again. Anyway pay again for the same is just the new GW goal.

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  2. Hoping for the Kroot Mercenaries to make a comeback!

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  3. I play pure Tau so this pleases me. This gives more space for suits, drones, and fire warriors in the codex.

    I also fail to see how inclusion in the allies dex will be a bad thing. It means they will be getting shapers back, as well as elite, fast attack, and heavy FOC choices.

    It reminds me a lot of the old white dwarf mini Kroot dex in the old chapter approved book I have

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    1. They will have to pay twice... two codexes... two instead of having all their previous rules in just one dex... it is GREAT for BUSINESS!!

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  4. There has been no show of Railguns on the XV-104... Hmmm...

    Gue'vessa, and the Demiurg (iirc) were the only Tau allies talked about in the Great Good novel.

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    1. The rumor doesn't say that it's a Tau ally though, just that it's an alien race.

      Other than Tyranids were there any other alien races referenced?

      ~Muninn

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    2. No, not that I remember... Just Humans, and Demiurg allies.

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    3. Skitarii were mentioned as Adeptus Mechanicus mercenaries

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    4. I would actually like to pick Gue'vessa as an ally attachment rather than straight Imperial Guard, but I do not see it coming. Hope the Allies Supplment does come out soon, and not Direct Only!

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    5. Look again. Not only can I confirm that it does in fact have a Railgun option, but I can also tell you to look through the images posted on this very site that clearly show the Riptide armed with one.

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    6. Every picture I've seen either has it armed with the heavy burst cannon/plasma rifle combo or the ion accelerator, which it is labelled as by the caption in WD. There is no picture of a Riptide rail weapon in any of the leaked pictures.

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    7. In BFG, the Tau have Nicassar allies which were a purely psychic race...

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    8. I tried to tell them but they wouldn't listen :) someone even said checkmate there's no rail gun

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    9. @XVRogue
      Link and location on the picture... I want to see this Rail Cannon option

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    11. @XVRogue,

      I hate to say, it but most of the rumors on the "riptide railgun" so far have merely been indiviudals mis-identifying the big ion weapon, which is CLEARLY identified in the WD article as an ion weapon. I can see how, if you are expecting, or even WANTING to see a railgun, it could easily be intrepreted as one.

      The check mate reference was in some banter on dakka, where one person SWORE it was a railgun, and finally they had to be pointed to the text where it CLEARLY indicates it is not, and if you look at other pictures of different angles, its bit more obviuos that it is not.

      SO, in summary, unless there are pictures that MANY people have not seen, or an actual rg reference in wd text, its just an error.

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    13. It appears that I'm wrong. Of the pictures released none of them display the rail cannon.

      It is the Ion Cannon, inverted and painted differently.

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    15. Whoa boys. Davethegamer is a little off on the he SWORE this or that. That's not really how that went down. Let's realize that people are getting grumpy about conjecture about a product that hasn't even come out yet.
      My checkmate comment was just in good fun :)

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    16. The Greater Good DOES have Genestealer cults in it. Hmmm...

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    17. I've always thought a kroot cult would be awesome to behold. :D

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  5. Interesting....if this rumor is true, will the Tau get a new Troops choice? Not many codices are limited to just 1, and GW tries to at least offer players some choices in that catagory.

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    1. Agreed... On the other hand I imagine this Allies codex will be out very soon, giving use 2-3 additional Troop choices.

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    2. Fire warriors as one troop choice, Pathfinders as another?

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    3. Good point, we will have at least a new troop choice. Actually I'd love Pathfinders as alternative troop choice.

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    4. Earlier on I did see some speculation that Stealth Squads could be moved to troops. I'm not sure where that came from though, so it was probably just wish listing.

      ~Muninn

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    5. I'd think Pathfinders, if they're not in FA. Or do something like IG and have veterans or different types of "firewarriors."

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    6. Pathfinders, or if the reasoning based on the battleforce box pan out, the stealth suits. or... god willing, both?

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    7. Personally, I suspect that pathfinders will move into troop - as it would indeed be surprising to have only one troop choice.

      Of course, the idea of drones for troops....that is a fascinating idea. I had not thought of that.

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    8. @tehlegend
      Speaking of the Battleforce box, do you know where those pictures are that were taken of the box sets and their prices? I was trying to find them but couldnt

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    9. I found the original posts, no pictures though :-/

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    10. @Zeus42 http://i49.tinypic.com/2ltgia0.jpg 3 crisis suits, 3 stealth suits, 12 fire warriors, a piranha, and a bunch of drones. no kroot, no transport.

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  6. Did anyone notice that he let slip that Riptides have access to Railguns?? Excuse me while I start my happy dance.

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    1. I'd not sure how I feel about this, not one mention of Rails in the WD articles... You'd think that would be something they would want to show off, or at the very least mention.

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    2. lol, I read that bit about 5-6 times before it went live, and missed that every time.

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    3. People have been whispering about this for a while now, and its been seeming like its not going to happen. So, i don't know how much weight I would put in the accuracy of these comments, especially this 'slip'.

      Stay salty, Faeit 212 readers.

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    4. Aren't we only seeing a small chunk of the WD article though? It might just not be covered in that section. As for showing them off isn't GW prone to show of the new bells and whistles first?

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    5. It's odd for one of the main weapons of a new release not to be shown at some point in the 5 or six pictures we have so far.

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  7. This seems unlikely to me, as it leaves Tau with only a single Troops choice. Unless Pathfinders or Crisis Suits are moving to troops, and we've already heard rumors on both fronts that they are not. And in those WD pics, there clearly weren't any new sets of a new possible troop unit.

    Of course, maybe Tau just have one troop choice. In 6th ed with the rules updates we've heard about... it's a pretty good one. Tau gun lines will be meaner than Necron ones.

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    1. Actually, now that I think about it, far more likely that a unit of drones moves from fast attack to troops. That could be pretty interesting, especially if you can mix in some of the new types of drones besides just the pulse carbine ones.

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  8. Skyfire to the tanks??? Isn't that a little OP?
    Anyways awesome that there's no Kroot or Vespid i never liked them, but still good that they'll become available for those who do!

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    1. if its a character upgrade to a single tank... I dont see it as over powered. It just means to armies with flyers, that the tank has a large bullseye on it.

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  9. I don't buy it. I've examined the riptide model in all of the photos pretty heavily and I've seen nowhere where a rail cannon would go on this model. As far as the blast option for the broadside rail gun... we shall see.

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  10. This sounds very suspect, really. No Kroot leaves us without a melee-capable screen that we know about and doesn't really fit the fluff, leaving us with a single Troops choice. I fail to believe that GW will leave several Kroot items up for sale with no current rules or army structure.

    I don't remember a mystery third race described in The Greater Good? Demiurg are mentioned but I know they're not appearing on the table-top any time soon.

    There's no mention of rail weapons on the Riptide and the leaked WD article implies that there isn't a rail option as the XV-104 performes the same roles at the Crisis Suits it supports. Not long-range AT.

    I can't see tanks with Skyfire either. Wasn't that part of the reason that Broadsides are rumoured to have been dropped from S10 to S8 in the first place?

    No disrespect to the supplier of this info (unless of course he's trolling for a laugh) but it sounds like someone's got a bit of rumour-envy...

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    1. GW leaves models up without rules all the time. The SoB haven't had rules available for almost two years and now GW it's discouraging special order items by only allowing indy dealers to order 500 dollars worth a month.

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    2. Sisters still have a widely accepted WD force list, they need an overhaul but seem to be doing OK...ish.

      Examples pwease!

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    3. To me the key word in there is "available". I'm a Chaos player but my favorite loyalist force is SoB. Now supposing I have the time and money for another army (don't at the moment but anyway) and I want to field the Sisters, my choices are to track down two out of print magazine issues (for which GW sees not a cent) or download a technically illegal scan. Not what I'd call "available".

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    4. Example:
      http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1130401

      :)

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  11. This Tells me 3 Things:
    ~Riptides get a Rail cannon (although I will believe it when I see it)
    ~Broadsides get submission (and will now be even better at killing those pesky Marines, TL too so reroll scatter)
    ~Pathfinders/Drone/XV-8/ SOMETHING must have moved to the troops in force organization chart. A 1 troop choice army seems like a terrible idea (my bet is on pathfinders)

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    1. haha!! *Subunitions!

      I think your auto-correct is trying to get you in trouble... ;]

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    2. Sub-munitions... you forgot the M.

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    3. haha! You know you can get silent 'm's, well the opposite is in there...like you pronounce it but not include it in the word...


      ...yes. ;'(

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  12. If this is true it's stupid on GW, I don't want to wast an Ally slot on kroot when they should just be in my codex, plus tau are like the British with keeper being Native American auxiliaries, I just modeled some old 4th edition Saurus warriors with fez hats and pulse rifles to be an Alien unit from the tau equivalent of "India" ...... I want a diverse tau empire thank you very much

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    1. Fez hats are from morocco - turban's are indian

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    2. Well my plastic space lizards have fez hats and speek in a bad Indian accent aka stereotypical cab driver/ convenience store clerk, all hail the Empire

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    3. They can be "french" Tau colonialists that use "morocco" lizards natives. :)

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  13. A 6 3 bast on the railgins? Very nice.

    I wonder what that means for the railcannon? I remember talk of an 8 2 blast for the riptide, maybe something similar on the cannon.

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  14. This sounds like a conspiracy to sell 2 books to kroot lovers.

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  15. Wow phones are a pain to use when at work lol, *its kroot not keeper and waste not wast, please save your breath on how bad grammar and spelling give you a migraine/ruin your life, it's nothing new and no one cares lol

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  16. Super lame if the alien stuff is true. Tau don't have that many choices as it is, taking two of them out of the book would mean they have less actually units then any other army in the game.

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  17. Sadness. I'll miss my Vespid :(

    Broadside submunition Would be the missing link to the Strength nerf. The stats make me doubt though.

    Our battleforce seemingly only has one troopchoice in it. The only other infantry are the XV-8's and the XV-25's

    OR...Tau don't have to follow the mandatory 2 troop choices in the next codex...

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    1. Why wouldn't you though? Fewer troops mean fewer scoring units.

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    2. Unless you take the FW as two units of 6

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  18. I was told about a mini dex for alien allies but with all the people shooting it down i began to wonder, now however I am not so sure it is not real as it keeps coming back up. Maybe I should have a little more faith in my sources but they did get some things wrong so......

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    1. I kinda hope there is, more options would be pretty nifty :]

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  19. Great ! just what the Tau Empire codex needed ..... even less codex entries, because seriously what do Tau players need variety for, just spam crisis and broadsides, right ?

    Not counting special/named characters, most recent codices have around 25 entries (+/- 3) and those with lower number of entries usually make it up by having a very good panel of special characters.

    Right now, assuming drones squadrons are still in, I count 17 entries in the rumored Tau dex

    HQ
    - Crisis commander
    - Ethereal
    - Fireblades

    Elite
    - Crisis
    - Riptide
    - Stealths

    Troops
    - Firewarriors

    Transport
    - Devilfish

    Fast Attack
    - Drones squadrons
    - Sun Shark
    - Razor Shark
    - Pathfinders
    - Piranha

    Support
    - Broadside
    - Hammerhead
    - Sniper drones
    - Sky Ray

    Notice also the single troop entry .... just great !
    Even if they somehow split XV15s and XV25s into troops and elite respectively (a man can dream), one still wonders why they bothered writing a new codex.

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    1. They bothered writing a new codex because we desperately need the update. Currently our book is the only codex with rules that are 2 editions old (barring the Autarch's entry about strategy rating). Even if we don't get that many new units, a new book will be welcome if only to fix the power imbalance between our railgun units and the rest of the army.

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    2. Matt while I agree with you on the need for the update, I'd like to point out Black Templar, Eldar and Orks are also 2 editions out of date. Arguably Eldar require the update more, but Tau make more money for GW.

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    3. Looking at how Necron immortals were moved from Elites to troops, I'm thinking that GW might just shift some options around for the Tau as well.

      If the rumours are true and the codex is going to be pure Tau, I'm betting that the Disc O' Death will be moved from FA to troops.

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  20. Don't buy this rumour at all and it is contrary to the previously posted rumour by Tastyfish in your Tau compilation Natfka - whose rumours are much more plausible. I buy that Kroot are expanded on in an allied supplement but I don't buy that they are out of the standard Tau army book.

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  21. a bit off-topic. my FLGS had gotten a shipment containing DftS, several copies were in the box. They did not order it, it just came in with their regular order. Does any of the FLGS you guys go to have them as well?

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  22. Many previous rumors mentioned that kroot and vespid are still in, just unchanged. Aside from that, I can see many other reasons not to put much stock in this source.

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  23. Bull crap. I don't believe a word of it.

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  24. Man I'll be so sad if there are no Kroot, love those little feathered heros. In the past they've killed Dreadknights, Greater Demons and glanced LRBT's to death. Very sad........

    EYIG

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  25. I don't know if I believe this. I'm one of the few people who actually don't mind Kroot. If this is true though, I'd imagine that either pathfinders or stealthsuits are definitely troop choices.

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  26. Is it me or do all the Tau rumors point to an absurd amount of skyfire in a single army. Broadsides, tanks w/commanders, skyfire missiles, and two flyers. Seems almost too good.

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    1. well if they're getting rid of the assault screens like this implies, and our vulnerability to land raiders and other AV 14 goes up with the broadsides taking the strength hit, then i say being incredibly good against flyers is the absolute MINIMUM gw needed to do to keep Tau tabletop worthy. Theres far too much change occurring for the Tau for anyone to jump to conclusions yet though, me included, so salt all round yes?

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    2. ...vs flyers you mean. Not everyone takes them. Yeah I know its a big part of the tournament "meta" (gods I hate that term) but given how advanced Tau optics and c&c systems have been in the past it makes perfect sense that they would be an aviator's nightmare!

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    3. I wish to sign up to your anti-meta crew!

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    4. I'm not against them having so much skyfire, it just seems odd in comparison to the other codex releases for 6th. Maybe this is GWs way of breaking the Cron Air/Flying Circus/Vendetta Spam trend, which I'm all for.

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    5. I'm with The Pirate King and Mauler... Can we kill the term "meta" please?

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    6. Dark angels can take 6 troops and 3 heavy slots all with sky fire ie just about any missile launcher in that army can take flakk iirc

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  27. Well there goes my all kroot lists. This seems like a really odd move, seeing as kroot are one of the units IN the battle force. They wouldn't remove scouts from SM lists, or warriors from tyranids, so why kroot from tau? Personally I dont like the idea of kroot as allies. It means that to make a similar army to what I have now, I will have to take an allied section, which means I cant diversify my lists with another ally.

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  28. Even though i hardly ever used kroots i often enjoyed a little assistance from vesps and painting them was just awesome.... kroot well never really found a way to make them survive in battle so don't really mind much about them.
    Considering how already the tau dex will be expensive as hell i'm not saving any bucks for an ulterior one.

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  29. I dont believe its true. Neko over at warseer who has seen the actual dex sais there is kroot and vespid minis in the gallery.

    Also a riptide railgun, while cool, has also been debunked.

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  30. If this is true - which i doubt very much, then it has to be that stealth or drones have been moved to troops. Which would make sense. However, the rumour is so different from previous rumours that i call foul. Besides, ive come to the conclusion that the allies dex wont be happening at all. Its just not economically viable to produce a codex of units that wont sell en masse

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    1. I think an Allied Supplement would work extremely well.

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    2. I don't see how drones as a troop choice makes sense. Maybe a troop, but not scoring. To me that would be like making spore mines scoring. Stealth suits... maybe. I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Pathfinders are still FA and that Crisis will not be able to be made into troops. As far as the allies codex... There was a rumor about that happening last time the tau got a new codex. It didn't happen then, why would it happen now? As much as I personally would enjoy an allies codex, somehow, I don't see it happening.

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  31. With so many skyfirers Tau will be the new preferred ally codex. Hurray!

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  32. http://es.warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Demiurgos

    im guessing this is the race from The Greater Good

    I think he is prob talking about the races avalable to tau in the allied supliment while other races like gretchin etc are for other races.. i expect a expanded allies matrix i hope like hell they do Hrud

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  33. Yeah, I'm not buying this. Removing Kroot and Vespid takes away the Tau *EMPIRE* and removes one of our two troop choices. Also, we keep hearing this wish of Riptides with Rail Cannons, but have yet to see any evidence to support it. The only thing in here that sounds plausible to me is the blast on broadsides, but even then that seems a bit iffy, given this is the first we've heard about it amongst all the talk about the railgun.

    The rumours that make the most sense is that Kroot and Vespid are still there, but will be expanded on in this rumoured allies supplement. If they were removing them they'd do the allies supplement before the Tau codex.

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  34. I believe this to be false, and from a business perspective too. They would effectively be making ~10 kits/packs that have NO rules or army to field them. And before someone says "but an allied..." stop, please. There is absolutely no reason they would axe the Kroot from the Tau and not pull them until they got new rules for them. They would effectively be selling a purposeless kit. They are business and they would effectively be producing (at cost to themselves) an item with no reason to be bought, which is BAD business.

    /rant over

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  35. Honestly, a fake rumor that Hammerheads were being cut from the codex is more believable. At least the hammerhead was being recalled from store.
    Just because units like Vespid or Kroot weren't showcased in the white dwarf pics doesn't mean they were cut from the codex.

    Astalen sums up the most compelling reason to take this rumor with a salt lick and ocean water to wash it down.

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    1. Thank you! *Tips hat*

      GW is a business, it isn't profitable to produce something that people won't buy, even for a few months.

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  36. I think everyone is blowing this rumor a bit out of proportion spcifically the tank commander and the Riptides. I don't think Natfka would have posted it if he didn't think it had some value. I agree that this is suspect, and should be looked on with a wary eye, but not thrown out completly.

    No one ever said that the Riptide would be toting around a Rail Cannon, all this rumor said was S10/AP1, for all we know it could be a weapon not shown or the overcharge ability of the ion weapon (though we have heard rumors to the contrary). Either way I expect that if this is true it will be at a massively reduced range and not 72".

    As for the tank commander, we have really had not conformation on what he does yet, and if you can only use him once in the codex then I don't see skyfire as outrageous. All we have is his name (Which was Long...something or other).

    As for the kroot, that is anyone's guess. But if it is true, considering the Battleforce showed no signs of them and you should be able to play a game with just a battle force, I expect we will see some movement in the current force org.

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    1. Also I think I may have found something but tell me if I am wrong. If you look at the two pictures of the Riptide, there is the one that shows them fending off the tyranids and the one that is on the page attached to Battlesuits: Riptide Unleashed (Just Google Riptide you'll see em). Three things stick out at me.

      The first to are possibly minor. One the differing color scheme and the fact that they are on separate arms and they are different color schemes lead me to belive they are two separate models. I don't understand why they would build and paint two almost identical Riptides for the white dwarf. Granted this is possible and one of you probably has evidence to show they have done this before.

      The bigger thing to me is the width of the barrel between the two riptides, the nose of the B:RU picture seems way thinner. Now that could be a product of the different paint scheme and my eyes just seeing what they want to see, but it could be some sort of rail weapon.

      If all of what I said is true (which I am not saying it is, I am mearly speculating) then it is a much shorter version of the railgun then found on the hammerhead. That goes back to my earlier point of a massively reduced range.

      Just my two cents take it or leave it

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    2. If you compare the arms of the two XV104 pictures, you'll notice that the one holding the 'railcannon' looks thinner than the one holding the ion weapon. To me, it definitely looks like the picture is distorted slightly, either from the original photographer or from the way the WD was photographed; both those XV104s have the ion weapon.

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  37. Over codex version changes, does GW change how many troops come in a squad? I always thought it was weird that firewarriors were a squad of 12 and space marines were a squad of 15.

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  38. space marines almost always come in a max squad of 10.
    The biggest exceptions being chaos, mindless shmucks like death company, and independent characters attaching to squads. Even dark angels, with their weird land speeder attack bike attachments, are considered ten man squads since there are 2 marines riding in both the speeder and attack bike.

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  39. Didn't we already hear that there'd be a Kroot HQ choice?

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  40. Is it just me, or has it become the trend that while release is distant the rumours remain sort of realistic, but the closer the actual release gets, the more wackier they get (cf. the 'Thirster from C:CD and now this)?

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  41. i'm not going to jump to conclusions but as of right now i'm bummed, i use at least one squad of kroot and often krootox riders.
    hopefully they will be back in soon

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