There is something missing in the Tau codex bits we have heard....... Kroot. We very much expected them to be expanded upon, and yet there is nothing really new that we have seen so far. Are Kroot even in the new codex? What is this Allies Supplement we have been hearing about?


The Kroot may very well be in the codex, even if its in the same form they are now currently; one or two entries. However, there are rumors that an allied supplement is approaching, and this is where many allied forces (secondary detachment type) will be dealt with and expanded upon. The Kroot could very well be here in force, as well as the Gretching, Vespid, Genestealer Cults, Eldar Pirates, Renegade Guard, and much more. The rumors certainly point to something like this being worked on.

So I dug in a little bit, and dug up a little bit of information regarding rumors for an allied supplement that should be approaching us very soon.

I am sure there is more good rumor bits on this site somewhere that I have missed. If you run across some please link in the comments.

Calistarius in the Faeit 212 Comment Section
March 18, 2013 at 8:47 AM
From what I've heard of the allies codex - don't take this as gospel - but the whole point apparently is to take an element of existing 40k forces, so for example Eldar pirates, renegade guard and possibly Kroot, limit them in some fashion but allow them to keep the same flavour, and in exchange they're battle brothers as you're bartering/trading/enslaving them.

My own theory on this is we won't see this until after codex Eldar, maybe even Orks, and this is why the xenos forces are getting a lot of love recently. So when the allies dex is released, all the special rules and abilities they get will be reflected in the existing codices. Final point, I believe this is where SoB will be going, and suspect Assassins and Legion of the Damned will be in it as well. I guess the grot list might be in there too but I honestly didn't ask as this conversation I had was several weeks ago.

StraightSilver on Warseer August 3rd 2012
As for an allies supplement, I was told that next year 40K will have a release very similar in format to the Warhammer Fantasy Storm of Magic supplement. In other words a book, cards and kits that could be used in multiple armies, in the same vein as the monsters from WHFB.

I assumed it would be a big supplement for Psykers, but it could just as well be for allies, as that seems to be the best way for GW to produce new kits without having to invest in a full 'Dex for them.

Now I hate to put Summer into any rumours, but I believe Storm of Magic was released about that time, which would put Tau and allies around June or July ish? However rumours strongly point to Eldar being early in the year, so I'm not sure if we would get 2 Xenos Codexes back to back? Unless GW really are going to do a release every month.

via Stickmonkey Oct 3rd 2012

Kroot and other existing allies are there, however they are limited. There appears to be an "Allies" supplement which will be out about the same time and include many more options. (aside: Dare I start a Spring of Allies moniker...ah well then it will end up being 2 years from now...  )
My sources are telling me kroot are in fact still part of Tau, and have a new unit or two including a beastly transport. They may have more options in a later supplement.
I also checked into the demiurge rumors, and was told "There are no demiurge in the Tau codex."

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    1. Yes!

      Also, Genestealer Cults, Legion of the Damned, and Fallen Angels (complete with Cypher).

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    2. Exodites! Mechanicus! Rogue Traders!

      Also, whilst I am wishlisting, a girlfriend would be just lovely.

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  2. Yay! I am hoping that the demiurge will finally make an appearance in the supplement.

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    1. Squat Codex indeed! With the Demiurge, I'll take them where (and how) I can get them.

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    2. Square don't have a large (or threatening) enough presence in the galaxy to warrant their own codex. A supplement like this would be a perfect place for them, however. I also hope they diverge from simply being Dwarves in Space. Their imagery and models from before were AWFUL.

      A unique refresh would be welcome.

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    3. There are no plans to bring Squats (to anything, ever) or the Demiurg to the tabletop in 40k.

      From the gob of a certain Jervis Johnson in person, last year at the GW Design Studio open day event. I asked him.

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  3. Allies supplement is coming.

    It will consist of 5 exciting new Space Marine chapters an 2 variant chaos marine lists for them to do battle against!

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    1. Could be a good way to get in those other chaos legions everyone wanted so badly (Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, etc).

      If this kind of thing would be done for all codices, I would really like it actually.

      But to the joke/point you made, yea it'll probably heavily favor the power armor armies.

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    2. I'm not sure how well it would fit with GW's policy of releasing products to encourage people to buy more models.

      An Allies supplement, with a range of new models would be a great opportunity for that, especially if they can appeal to some of the older players feelings of nostalgia.

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    3. Think about warp talons. They suck. Imagine rules for night lords that are far superior. Raptors sell now, imagine with great night lord rules. They might not need new models.

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    4. Warp Talons don't suck, they are just competing for a slot against amazing chaos bikes and goddamn helldrakes.

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    5. no even if the helldrakes and bikes and spawn didn't exist, warptalons would still suck

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    6. mmm, Was it a joke? I really thought op was really joking about the "power armour brain limitations", the terrible disease every GW designer has...

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  4. So long as the Kroot are not being removed from the Tau book, and in fact have a reasonable role then I'm happy. Kroot need not be the 'star' of the Tau codex. They need to be a solid supporting cast allowing the Tau themselves to shine like they should

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    1. I'd prefer an allied book full of OTHER options. I am thinking of people that don't like kroot, like Tau aesthetics, but NEED some close combat units.

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  5. With this allies supplement i can't see sisters of battle being in it at all, we have sister players right now have a very competitve albeit white dwarf codex, i reguarlly win matches with my sisters army with or without allies. it would make no sense for sisters to go into a allie's supplement either, just saying that Calistarius comment about sisters is most likely wrong.

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    1. As a huge fan of Sisters, I disagree. I doubt GW is taking winning or losing into account, just sales. Re-doing Sisters would be a lot of work, and GW hates women. Making them allies? Same rules, one command squad box, one box of sisters, fine-cast everything else and done.

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    2. i see us going more the way of the Dark Eldar and having a complete overhaul after all they did it with Dark Eldar so why not the same with Sister's we all know Plastic Sisters would sell well.

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    3. Plastic Sisters would definitely sell well. However, they need more unit choices to be a viable full-on codex, IMHO. As allies, however, with Plastic kits, Sisters would sell reasonably well to be worth the effort.

      Also, being in an Allies book doesn't necessarily preclude an army (Sisters) from having their own "codex", i.e., their WD dex...

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    4. ...and Kroot & Grots, etc, can still be in the Tau & Orks codexes...

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    5. @lewis - Sorry my internet access is limited at the moment, just a little bit of clarification.

      I only know any of this based on a friend of friend scenario so please don't consider me in anyway a reliable source.

      As to the races in the allies supplement (bearing in mind the allies supplement itself is just a rumour) stating races was purely my speculation. I should have worded it better and my apologies to any ecclisiarchy players who thought SoBs were going to be relegated to pure allies. It was purely my speculating NOT anything grounded even in rumours.

      All I have been told is, that it's not an excuse to bring in a load of new races. The supplement is simply exploring different aspects of races that already have a 'presence' in 40K and widening the field in terms of who can take them.

      You would ASSUME there would be a few new models and I am personally hoping for things such as Eldar Harlequins and Assassins as allies, but that is my personal hope and I've not been informed of any races. Sorry for any confusion, I just thought I'd share the single scrap of info I had, I didn't wish to panic anyone.

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  6. If Kroot were delegated to an "Allies" dex I know at least one player that might rage-quit.

    Same with SoBs. Anyone who has an actual army has invested a lot of money into them, so making them a minor player could be a pretty big slap.

    ~Muninn

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    1. Well from the early allies supplement rumors, it was said you'd still be able to tale them as primary detachments, they just might not be well rounded because they weren't intended for it.

      I doubt uniits would actually be deleted but you might miss out on a warlord table(not that those appear too great anyway.)

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  7. Gah, I'm dying for renegade guard or dark mechanicus especially since I love the fluff for them and daemon heralds not being able to join most (or possibly any) CSM units makes it less than battle brother-y rules wise. I really like the defenders of Vraks renegade guard and really hope to have a non-Forge World option for that type of thing without the potential Forge World whining if I play someone other that my friends.

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    1. Agree about the renegade guard & dark mechanicus as possible allies with better battle brother synergy.

      As for people giving you a hard time about using FW models, that sucks, and I wouldn't put up with it. For example, I just ordered a unit of 3 Plague Toads & will use them as Beasts of Nurgle. I know my local TO won't give me a hard time about that. Not sure about other units that are stamped "40K Approved", but I know in our club no one would have a problem with it...

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  8. Always wanted mechanicus army, hopefully could see them in a supplements book though it does feel a little bit of a slap with another book to buy....

    Unfortunately I see my wallet looking at me then at my guard, my csm, my dark elder, my blood angels, my necrons, my dark angels and seeing more models to buy...

    I think I might have an problem....

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    1. Don't worry, there's help for your affliction! There are groups that meet regularly at your local gaming shop who are very supportive and helpful. Don't be afraid to reach out to them!...

      "Hello, my name is J.D., and I'm addicted to 40K..."

      LOL!

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  9. I could also see Deathwatch Kill Teams and the ordo xenos being included if this Codex: Allies does happen. While space marines and sternguard are a good representation of them, they are known for bringing archaic weapons and wargear that are usually considered heresy when used by others. Even if they are not included, I still would like to have this codex come true. Since finishing my main army, I've had a lot of fun getting an HQ, 2 Troops, and an elite/fast attack/heavy support from other armies to change up the tactical flavor a bit. That way, I can even take a break from the main force, choose 2 small armies, push them together, and play a completely different flavor.

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  10. I remember hearing about a rumor for an Allies "codex" the last time tau got a new codex.

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  11. I heard awhile back the Black Templars were being merged into the Stock SM Codex and ignored it because it sounded like total BS. But this could have some solid foundations as an Allied Detachment.

    Also Deathwatch might make an appearence as well GW has done little bits and pieces about them for a long time now but never really got around to making an Alien Hunters Codex.

    Kroot would make a fluffy Secondary Allied Army as they are suppose to be merc's after all.

    They could also throw in some of successor chapter that pop up a lot but never got there own dex like Salamanders and Iron Hands etc.

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    1. Salamanders are not a succesor chapter they are one of the original 20 legions of Space marines.

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    2. The nine loyal legions are:
      Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, White Scars, and Iron Hands.

      Most of them follow the codex astartes close enough that they don't need their own codex; just enough flexibility in a single space marine codex.

      I'd like to see a streamlined version of the Chapter Traits from 4th edition make a return in 6th.

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    3. Well in that case I meant the chapters in codex SM

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    4. Most non-marine armies could take Kroot allies in 4th edition, I didn't play them in 5th so I don't know if they became illegal. I ran some with sniper rifles as cultists.

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  12. Didnt someone say there would be no kroot? Or he hadnt seen anything on them?

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    1. Did some research. It was that guy Logan who said it.

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  13. I am picturing both Squats AND Demiurge. They come in the same box, with options for beards and no beards.

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  14. Natfka? Did you not see the 2013 year release schedule that was leaked out before Christmas?

    It had mention of new Ork, Grot, Eldar units, and never before mentioned SoB units. All were scheduled for release within a two month period of the first release.

    Conjecture was that so many disparate units released at the same time could only coincide with a campaign event or an allies codex.

    I forgot where I saw it. It might have been BoK Network or The Back 40K. A search should turn it up though. I'm sure someone out there recalls reading it.

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    1. Yeah I remember that Trent

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    2. You mean this?

      http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/games-workshop-release-plan-in-2013.html

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    3. Yeah, that's the one! The one I saw had Q1 - 4 breakdowns though. Not specific months, but general breakdowns of what quarter each would be released in.

      Having worked at GW for over a decade those release projections were usually pretty solid. Months might be switched about, but they would almost always come out in the quarter they were slated to at the start of the fiscal year.

      About the only time models _weren't_ released in their slot was when the decision was made to scrap them altogether like the EPIC Eldar Exodites, Adeptus Mechanicus (although they ended up available from the 'Skullz' program), Goblin Squig Chariots (a Gobbo on a skateboard holding onto the tail of a weird cat-like four legged squiggly beasty)and the nekid Vampire Countess (a little too risque).

      I can't vouch for the authenticity of this list but it looks like the format we'd usually see. I guess time will tell.

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    4. I remember it too. Also had a Cypher figure listed on it. But I also remember it been said the list was fake.

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  15. Abhumans (Squats, Longshanks, Neandors, Felinids, Troths, and Pelagers)?
    Renegade Guard/PDF/variant Guard lists?
    Legion/god specific Chaos lists?
    Deathwatch?
    Assassins?
    Arbites? Commissar Training Squads? "Proper" penal legions complete with suicide bombers?
    Sisters? Frateris Militia? NEED OWN CODEX FFS
    Mechanicus/Dark Mechanicus?
    Exodites?
    Wait, Mechanicus + Exodites == KNIGHTS?
    All-Grot list?
    All-Kroot list?
    Genestealer Cult? RETURN OF ZOATS?
    Something totally new? Hrud? Tarellian Kotor? Cabal's henchmen? Interex? Demiurg? Nicassar? Barghesi?

    Naah, even a minuscule fraction of that would be far too much ACTUAL CONTENT. A 6th edition 40K supplement (going by the two already published) will contain 5 pages of rules, 10 pages of recycled fluff from WD, and 100 pages of advertising. Spaelin mistaiks fre of chrage.

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    1. And what about something REALLY new that we have not heard before of? Oh, it would be difficult to design really new models for a model's company. :)

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  16. We won't see renegade guard or eldar pirates because they both have full army lists from Forgeworld (the renegade guard actually have 3 unique lists in IA 5,6,and 7) It would be a shame if all they downsized the Sisters into an allies only army.

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    1. Totally agree with you on Sisters, they're an awesome army that need to be built up to a more full sized codex not cut down to an allied only force. As a chaos player, I really hope you're not correct on renegade guard for two reasons: 1 the Forge World lists you mention are very cool but haven't had a 6th edition update and there's no telling when it'll happen and 2 there's still too many people who cry about Forge World stuff

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  17. Tau need more than one Troops choice. If not Kroot then what? Tau Pathfinders unlocked by special character.

    As to Allied supplement there was that leaked list of random models on this site a while back including some Adeptus Arbites models. Zoats would also be amusing.

    I have to say i have been a little sceptical about photo leaks of late. Always small images and never of the full range. They feel more controlled than previously - almost like they are official - well anyway that's that conspiracy theory out there... so maybe there will be Kroot... ;)

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    1. http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/games-workshop-release-plan-in-2013.html

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    2. Yeah I agree, why no images of the codex cover?? Why images given in a couple of days instead of just showing everything at the first time?? It seems to me controled leaking although I can't see any reason behind.

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  18. I for one think that despite the Sslyth being kind of not worth their points (or so I have heard). They would be amazing to expand upon in allies supplement. They are completely different body and physiological type than the other Xenos and are also mercenaries.

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  19. So, I know that this is quite obvious but...an Allies Dex should appeal to EVERY 40k player. That'd be another great decision by GW. (whom I don't shy away from fairly criticizing). Bring on the exidites!

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  20. SoB deserves more than just an allied dex!
    They are a cool addition to the game and need a proper dex imo.

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  21. An allies supplement would the biggest release I think ever by GW considering all the models that would have to be done for it. I hope it comes but honestly, I cannot see it coming out for this edition.

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    1. Or not. They could actually just release a couple of upgrade sprues and characters, and for the most part just give (lavishly illustrated) suggestions for kitbashing in the supplement and WD. More profitable to sell two, three or even four different boxes to make a single unit rather than only one!

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  22. I really don't see grots being separated from orks, even just for allies; expanded in the codex maybe. Rebel grots worked in gorkamorka because they were slaves stuck on a crappy world with essentially no rights on getting a place on the rokkit being built to escape.
    Sorry to be a fluff-nazi but fluffwise it doesn't make much sense outside of that context. When orks and gretchin die they release spores that mature into the entire orkoid ecosystem: orks, gretchin, squigs, fungus. So if gretchin did run away, one would die eventually and make orks who would dominate the gretchin. Plus (unless they alter fluff) oddboyz are orks (mekboyz, mad dokz, weirdboyz/warpheads...) who teach gretchin to some degree but not so much that they could replace them.

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  23. Eldar corsairs, harlequins and exodites makes perfect sense as allies. Perhaps they won't do the exodites,but the corsairs which are merc's and the harlequins who has interest in taunting chaos wherever it may present itself.
    Grots and kroots could very well have armies on their own aswell as vespids.

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