With the release order being one of the topics of choice right now, there was a lot of concern over what is going on with Sisters of Battle and on how Games Workshop is deciding what armies to update. There are still some 4th edition codices out there, and for many, these are the ones that should be updated first.


There are even a few people out there.... not rumor sources, but just a lot of worry... That the Grey Knights may have wiped out the Sisters of Battle. (hence the pic)

What will happen to the Sisters of Battle and when, are still a mystery.

via Harry on Warseer
Codex Release Order
I personally thought they were re-doing all of the current 4th edition codexes before moving onto the 5th ones
I keep on saying they are not doing that anymore.

I will be more specific. What I have been saying is that GW are not working their way through the books religiously in the same order they were done last time. What they are doing now is returning to armies they think need updating or more importantly to armies they think they have something new and exciting to bring to the table. It makes a lot of sense rather than redoing something for the sake of it but it obviously results in some armies getting left longer than others.



Sisters of Battle
I swear they started these right after Grey knights.

I have never been in a position to "spot" any sculpts, or 'see anything being worked on'. (Ever)
I heard they had started work on a dex and models for Sisters right after I heard they had started work on Grey Knights ... consequently I assumed we would be seeing the results of this project pretty soon after Grey Knights were released ... It never happened. I guess the WD dex was the result of the work being done on the book ... I have no idea what happened to the minis. There were some rumours at the time that they were not happy with them .... but it was nothing I ever heard anything about one way or the other. As far as I am concerned ... it remains a mystery.

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  1. SoB guaranteed release next month!

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  2. Is it wrong of me for wanting Both SoB and Grey Knights to be merged into The Inquisition Codex?

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    1. You're not the only one, I'd like them to go back to their original witch hunters dex, maybe something merged with the gray knights

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    2. Not at all. In fact, I think it would be better if there was a codex for representing each of the major Ordos: Ordo Hereticus (SoB), Ordo Malleus (Grey Knights), and Ordo Xenos (Deathwatch Codex!!!!)

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    3. bruce, I would like to see each one get their own codex. It would be very cool and would give us 3 very different and unique codices.

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    4. Each Ordo in their own codex was Andy Chamber and other's vision back in the early 2000s that eventually led to the Witch Hunter and Daemonhunters codices in 3rd edition.

      I think that was a smart idea, poorly executed. As far as I am concerned, that is where they de-railed SoB. Some of the vision was good (e.g., Saint Celestine) but much of it fell flat or was just dumb (Sisters Repentia).

      They should have stuck closer to the dark medieval church theme. Relics, icons, etc. - the sort of stuff that gives armies like the Dark Angels such good flavour. Conceptually the penitent engine is a good idea, the execution is terrible - looks more orky than dark gothic.

      The basic idea and some of the imagery of SoB is great. Dark Eldar are a good example of how an effectively defunct line can be resurrected if done correctly.

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    5. If a inquisition book was written, they could a HQ character for each, A cheap customizable inquisitor, a troop, FA, HS and elite for each of the Ordos. Rhino and chimera dedicated transports. Preferred enemy for ordo hereticus (IG and SM), Ordo Xeno (Xeno forces), Daemon Hunters (CSM and Daemons). A completely customizable force that can deal with just about anything with a few more tweaks. This could easily entice people to buy more models.

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    6. If a inquisition book was written, they could a HQ character for each, A cheap customizable inquisitor, a troop, FA, HS and elite for each of the Ordos. Rhino and chimera dedicated transports. Preferred enemy for ordo hereticus (IG and SM), Ordo Xeno (Xeno forces), Daemon Hunters (CSM and Daemons). A completely customizable force that can deal with just about anything with a few more tweaks. This could easily entice people to buy more models.

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  3. Really sad about this, but not overly surprised, given the Sisters' history in GW. I play three or four armies (really just collect Krieg, don't really play them), and all of them have been collecting dust for a bit: Tyranids, Sisters, and Tau.

    Looks like my Tau will be getting dusted off (and probably repainted - yikes) and super-excited about that. REALLY wish GW would do something about my 300lbs of metal sisters, though...

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  4. But if the leaked release list is real, then there are supposedly models in the works? From what I understand and was told by past employees, the issue is that current GWHQ has no staff members who play the army or are interested in it, so for now have virtually squatted them besides offering the old models for availability.

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  7. Sounds like they are being droped along with BT for Good!

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  8. You may be right Warlord but Jes Goodwin was confirmed for having worked on the sculpts for them until he ran into problems with the robes and hair. So either they are just binning the sculpts and indeed dropping them or there's still something to come.

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    1. Yeah but that doesnt make sence when they say they want to redo dexes fhat Need it.
      I dont Hope for seeing those dexes Soon.

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  9. "I keep on saying they are not doing that anymore.

    I will be more specific. What I have been saying is that GW are not working their way through the books religiously in the same order they were done last time. What they are doing now is returning to armies they think need updating or more importantly to armies they think they have something new and exciting to bring to the table. It makes a lot of sense rather than redoing something for the sake of it but it obviously results in some armies getting left longer than others."

    It's a harsh reality when someone as respected as Harry has to spell it out like that, but some people just never get it. All of the rumor-mongers keep telling the community that it's not about oldest to newest. The studio really has to like everything about the army (rules, look, models, fluff, etc) before they move forward with the project. If the inspiration isn't there to bring an army up to the standard of all newer releases, they aren't just going to force it out.

    As to the mysterious Sisters models: I doubt they were just scrapped. Chances are they had the sculptors go back to the drawing board a little bit.

    Keep in mind GW also has to greatly expand the army if it's going to become a standalone 96-104 page codex. Many of the players and fans have no idea what that entails. They often think an army just needs a "tweak" and a unit or two, and have no capacity to really think beyond what's already there.

    If Sisters get the Dark Eldar/Necrons treatment - which I suspect they will - they will be worth the wait.

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    1. That is a good point. I never thought about the inspiration side of it. When it comes down to it, they're selling art, and art is always best when it is inspired. I don't play SOB, but I am always happy to see new models, so I am exited to see when they finally release them.

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    2. I think you have already hit on the main problem why there isn't and probably never will be any Sisters update - there simply is not enough to them to justify a 100 page codex and many new units of models. I don't see what could possibly fill that much space and be compelling and interesting. And bottom line, get people to spend lots of dollars on.

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    3. I think they should retcon them into being Sisters of Silence.

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    4. MJames70


      there is far more to sisters both potential and pre-existing wise than Dark eldar had before their reboot.

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    5. GW apparently disagrees with you. And they know something we both don't - how well Sisters sell. Or more likely, don't. If they did, you've have your codex and kits. This is a public company, out to make $$$s, not throw good money after bad. They probably considered the idea, and then came to their senses and dumped the project and left what work they had done to die in a WD issue.

      Not every idea is a winner. Ask them about Squats and Chaos Dwarfs. Something that looks good as an idea isn't necessarily one that makes money. You may find chicks in power armor a compelling idea. I don't. At best, it deserves a few pages in an 'Imperium' codex, with things likes Assassins, Inquistors, Rogue Traders, and Adeptus Mechanicus forces.

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    6. "There simply is not enough to them" -- hurr, troll harder. Not enough in the abortion of the WD dex, you mean?

      From the fluff, Frateris Militia, Redemptionists, Imperialists, Brethren of Light (2ed Codex) would fit right in as cheap scoring units / assault units / anti-alien units / infiltrators respectively.

      Adeptus Arbites squads and penal legion units could also work fluff-wise. Maybe even expand the penal legion to bring back the 1ed suicide bombers.

      Bringing Sisters of Silence forth from the fluff as specialized anti-psyker troops would work, as 6ed is decidedly psyker-heavy (along with flyer-heavy).

      Some sort of "Novice Sisters" kit which can also be used to build female Guard and perhaps replace the metal House Escher and Sisters of Sigmar kits. Don't know what the Patronica from the dual Seraphim/Patronica kit from The List would be, more CC weapons or long range firepower?

      Vehicles. Sheesh, two Rhino variants (plus one FW) and Exorcist? MOAR BOAR WANTS MOAR. At least and SoB Rhino/Immolator/Repressor multi-part kit, dual kit for Exorcist/Catafalque of Sin (The List). Maybe even a third type of vehicle. "Land Speeder Purifier"? Or some sort of AA/antihorde vehicle, with ludicrous amounts of heavy bolters?

      Every army in 6ed has a flyer or preferably two, let's pinch the Avenger Strike Fighter from FW while we're at it. Maybe have a special Valkyrie variant too - Hellfury missiles, multi-melta, ability to take heavy flamer sponsons instead of HB sponsons?

      Of course, much more special characters, preferably with FOC-changing properties. Saint Praxedes, Helena the Virtuous, Cardinal Armandus Helfire from 2ed codex, Prioress Lazarea and Sister Superior Magdalenia from The List. Also, the chance to take a "downgraded" Canoness aka Palatine (WH codex).

      Yeah, clearly not enough to fill a codex.

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    7. Funny thing, dark eldar and necrons didn't sell too well a few years back...

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    8. Agree with Jon Wilko. SoB don't sell because their list is shit and their models are more expensive because there are no plastic kits. It wouldn't take a huge amount of effort to expand the range of available units, but I would think it will take some time to generate the appropriate enthusiasm for the studio guys. Thing is, you don't want SoB to just be a catch all for all those small random combat elements of the Imperium, such as the Arbites and Sisters of Silence. The Witch Hunters Codex was the right direction, it just needs some extra flavor to knock it out of the park.

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    9. And the models don't sell real well because there hasn't been a new model released in...ten? years. People that collect this army, like me, had everything they needed years ago. I'm not going to keep buying models just to buy models and there's nothing new out there to get me to spend more. I can nearly guarantee it's more about inspiration and trying to not make "space marines-light."

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  10. Maybe we can proxy the miniatures when FW releases the Sisters of Silence?

    All is not lost...

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    1. I'm hoping to snap up some sisters of silence to use as SoB when FW releases them

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  11. Last summer I would have told ALL of you that Sob's were not and should not happen, EVER.. But after the recent codexs and the lack of significant change vs just throw in a couple new kits and make what we should have done years ago. I say everything should get its own dex raven guard, white scars SoB, etc.

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  12. Well, they ARE still in the core 6th ed rule book. So I pray everyday that GW is planning on updating this army.

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    1. GW - squats sold as well as any other range at the time killing them off was down to one person Jervis. He disliked them so gone, Matt ward has an obvious misogynistic streak so SoB will probably be next.

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    2. The first Google result for "Jervis Johnson Squats" gives you the exact quote.

      Yes, it is true that the Squats were not the worst seller.

      But no, it was not Jervis's solo decision to drop them, it was him, Rick, Andy Chambers, and Gav Thorpe together with the entire design team who reached the consensus that they couldn't find inspiration and a theme to make them work in 40K (at the time), so a decision was made to write them out.

      However, Jervis is in that statement a bit inaccurate about the origin of the (since then re-retconned) "eaten by Tyranids" bit: that was originally just a joke by Andy aimed to quieten the Squat fans who were vocally pestering the design team at each and every event, demanding to know when Squats would be released. But after the decision to drop the Squats was made, this impromptu excuse was then infamously canonized in the foreword to the reprint of Inquisition War trilogy.

      Of course, who knows what they were smoking when after 15 years of strict denial they decided to re-retcon the little fellas back in, even if they reportedly have no plans to do anything with them.

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    3. They did kind of joke in the same vein about SoB maybe being redone after they were dead at 2011 GD.

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