Space Marines are set to be released in June according to this new rumor set. Not only that, but the mystery box coming this fall is explored and talked about. Lets just right into it this morning, since I woke up a little a late today.


My first thought on this is that this mornings rumor bit goes against the Hastings release order, at least slightly, by pushing Space Marines up before a fall/ later summer release. Of course if Eldar are really slated for later this summer, as fast as codices have been released, then something was missing. Either Eldar had to move forward in time, or a release break has to occur.

Space Marines would fill that slot nicely. Not only in time, but because we have not seen the base Standard Space Marine codex yet for 6th edition.

I want to say that while this source is anonymous, and new to this site, he has some good source credentials. I am sorry that I will not go into this any further, as he must remain anonymous.

This would be a nice surprise release, and of course, if the release was to happen in June, the first Saturday of June is June 1st. That is really close. In fact its super close with the fact that we would start seeing White Dwarf pics and rumors in mid May. Not that far away since March is basically done, and we are sitting at the beginning of April.

Please remember that this is a rumor, salt is always required.

via an anonymous source
I have it on good Authority that Codex Space Marines will be the June release this year. Eldar will follow them. There is also a "Mystery Box" slated for September/October (ala Space hulk). GW have 2 which they have waiting in the wings, Blood Bowl and Warhammer Quest but no idea which it will be at this time.

Warhammer wise, I was told what was coming out and in which order, but to be honest I forget as I dont play the game. But I do know that Lizardmen and High Elves are this year.


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  1. My three armies would be consecutive releases... *sigh*

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    1. I play Marines, Orks and Eldar so my wallet is hurting already :) then I guess my Imperial Guard will get updated just to run me dry.

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    2. that sounds terrible! poor you!

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  2. They have set a blistering pace of releases so far this edition , I find it hard to believe they aren't fearing up for a few month break to assess how we'll this aggressive strategy is being handled by their logistic system, or perhaps the oft bemoaned price kncreases aren't just for stockholders meetings, maybe they're taxing us so they can maintain such a rigorous release schedule

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    1. i just hope they arent trying to release all of their previously created models as quickly as possible to inflate their stock and then sell the company...

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    2. DFA-I've got my money on your theory. Get the checkbook ready Milton-Bradley!

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    3. I'd not put that beyond Tom Kirby, it'd be right up his alley.

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    4. Maybe... Then again it could be a good thing also with new leadership. I doubt anything within the development department of GW would change. But it could change policies. (Then again not)

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    5. Agree with TheAurgelmir, the devil you know is not ALWAYS better than the devil you don't. Would be a crap shoot, but at this stage in the game, maybe we can see an advancement in the game so we are not stuck at the same precipice for 30 years while time stands still. If it is an american company the buys it though, watch out for the Reboot epidemic.

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    6. IDK. Hasbro bought Wizards of the Coast way back when , and Wizards just got better in terms of M:tG. (D&D, not so much, I know, but Magic was always the cash cow...). If Hasbro buys out GW, could be a good thing, at least in terms of not having to worry about the franchise going away completely, which is my biggest fear...

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    2. MOAR SPESS MAHREENZ are coming... FOR THE EMPRAH!!!

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    3. Seriously, take that echo machine crap somewhere it is wanted. it isn't funny if that was your intent, and only serves to show us that you are unimaginative, repetitious, and immature.

      You forget that this is a rumour, and little more. and even if it is totally true, it means that your " but my army needs it more" garbage won't fly anymore, as it will be a short wait until it is updated.

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  4. That would made 3 power armour armies out of 5 *sigh*
    Although it is probably representative of what is being played.

    Also on the date: GW's fiscal year ends on May, if anything I would expect them to launch SM before the closing of the year to somewhat improve their numbers

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    1. That kinda depends on their numbers. They've had VIth, an entire new paint range, DA, two lots of Chaos with Tau imminent and all the new fortifications and whatnot to go with VIth. AND The Hobbit, and that's not taking into account WHF releases. Or FW.

      No, I'd expect GW's numbers to be shaping up to look rather alright this finacial year, and with Marines being possibly their mainstay of 40k they'll be in for the next financial year to get the numbers off to a good start followed by Eldar who, given the time from their last codex, will also be a dead-cert for good profit.

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    2. If anything, they'll push it back until after the fiscal year ends.

      You don't want big profit spikes, looks bad to stockholders. You want a nice smooth stable income.

      And I'm not sure if you're implying that their sales numbers are down, but I haven't seen any evidence for that myself.

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    3. Well from what we saw last time GW's figures were just "okayish". Sales don't need to go down, just slow down their growth to get nervous shareholders. It's a pretty common practice to shuffle things within the last few weeks of a fiscal year, either advance or delay sales.

      40k, FW, the black library... look healthy nonetheless but not sure about WFB or The Hobbit - the LE hasn't sold out yet for example

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    4. I agree with Mauler. At this point their release schedule is probably pretty set in stone. Also, according to the manager of my FLGS (an Indy), Space Marines account for about 60% of GWs revenue; he says in his store SMs outsell all of Fantasy, which is odd because our local meta is very devoid of SM armies. However, if this rumor is true, it would be a grand way to start off the new fiscal year, which does make shareholders happy. Also, consider that with a June 1st launch, almost all schools will be out on summer break, which is the perfect time for folks to concentrate on a new armie, especially for newbies, who tend to start of with SMs. Then, follow up with Eldar, another mainstay army in the milieu, and they'd be off to a great start for the new fiscal year... Just MHO...

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    5. CSM isn't just PA though, think of it another way, we just got 2 xenos books in a row, that's a total change for GW, and Eldar puts us a good bit closer to having up to date Xenos books. Crons don't really need it. DE kind of could use it, but a WD update might suit them. Tyranids and Orks definitely need it, and they're on the update schedule. There are also 2 power armoured books (BT and SoB)that need it, but aren't on the schedule currently. I think Xenos is getting plenty of love.

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  5. Just as I was finally giving my Guard the full attention they deserve, the rumour mill pulls C:SMs out of the bag! Instant Death for my wallet, no saves of any kind.

    On a side note: Hope to hell they make it Warhammer Quest. Still have mine and I'd love to see an updated version. Never been a Blood Bowl fan, though I know I'm probably in the minority in preferring WHQ.

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    1. Warhammer Quest for life! Got mi into Miniature painting... Been wanting my own box ever since Heroes Quest.

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    2. I love WH:Q. LOVE. IT.

      One thing worth considering is there's an iPad version of the game coming out this year. I can't decide if that's a positive sign (possibly released to "prime" the market/coincide?), or a negative (iPad game = no board game).

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    3. Nah, I'd prefer Blood Bowl. Never played it, but know lots of folks who have who say they love it. It's definitely due for a re-vamp.

      Either way, wouldn't be a bad thing. I could wait another year for BB, given the hit my wallet's taken with CSMs, Daemons & my new addiction to Forge World... LOL!

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  6. I will burn GW to the ground if Eldar are not next.

    Not really but I'll be seriously pissed, and when I get seriously pissed, I write strongly-worded letters like the UN to Kim Jong-Il.

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    1. Eldar have been rumored to be later in the 3rd quarter, or sometime beyond August with hints that it could be much later in the year.

      So while we are excited for Eldar.... myself included, this does not push Eldar back any.

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    2. Thats it.

      My letter writing campaign shall begin immediately.

      Eldar before July or else... something..

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    4. Someone should really tell the UN that he's dead.

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    5. I dunno, I still have a feeling that the Eldar may be next...

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    6. I agree @defenestratus. I want a new Eldar Codex ASAFP.

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    7. Also, SM were rumored to be after Eldar for some time. This sounds to me that someone, somewhere was really hoping for SM, and told this person their wishes. I'm pretty sure SM are not before Eldar.

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    8. Eldar are much more needed than Space Marines. Once again, that's really a poor choice: maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like Eldar sales are kind of frozen because everybody knows the new codex is coming. On the contrary, new players keep buying Space Marines...

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  7. As long as its a solid dex and not a power dex, I will be happy for my marine friends.
    (alhtough they are not a "broken" as they think...but hey, I have been playing tau all this time).

    Natfka - can you give this source a name? That way at least the rumors can later be compared more easily.

    I suggest either Ides or "Tim". ;)

    thanks for the post.

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    1. he wishes very much to remain anonymous. he was very specific.

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    2. Codenames for Anon sources would create a trail to follow. This would remove the anonymity and possibly cause issues with the source.

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    3. brossate hit the nail on the head there. If you link up these rumours by designating them with a codename, you can then cross-reference that with who would have access to such information and there goes your rumour source because they're out of a job. Everybody loses.

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    4. you mean to tell me that we are that obsessive? to actually spend the time to collate all of a linked up sources information into one larger compilation?

      I am joking. Of course we are that obsessive. And if I wasnt (and I understand what it means to be obsessive), then someone else will be.

      That would very much put a persons job or link at risk of a loss of livelyhood.

      No rumor is worth a persons job.

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  8. I'm not sure about Blood Bowl. Sure, Blood Bowl is great but these 'mystery box' releases are one-off, self-contained affairs and Blood Bowl doesn't seem to meet that image. If it were a new core ruleset for past and new players alike, then great! But the box would only have two teams and every other team that doesn't get updated is going to pale by comparison (judging by the quality of the previous mystery box sculpts).
    Here's hoping that if a Blood Bowl release is in the works, it's not a short sighted release!

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    1. Warhammer Quest would work better as the previous version was more or less a standalone release - if you want to add to the "monster pool" you just used Fantasy units. Sure there were the addon packs, but they weren't completely necessary.

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    2. Space Hulk had add-ons as well. I'm sure Warhammer Quest would be great as a mystery box!

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    3. With GW getting back into parts is it not conceivable that they would release either one WH:Q or BB with swap out part kits for standard range models. Just so you have to buy box 'x' with parts 'y' to make your new character/team.

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  9. I would b happy with that because then i could use models in my collection as allies to my dark angels ie. Storm raven without having to buy a $33 compendium or an ipad and digital codex to get the new rule sets

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    1. If you're like me, you wouldn't get an update to your iPad codex

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    3. I had heard that the new rules for vanilla marines use of the storm raven was updated for the digital codex

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    4. Since this is a new Codex for 6th edition, you would have to pay $50 for the eCodex as its brand new for the edition. Not an update. Yes, the flyers were updated in the previous eCodex, but thats for a different edition. A new edition book would need to be purchased new.

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    5. I understand that, I was talking about updates to the current codex. The updated cost of the storm talon and the new addition of the storm raven, have not been included in the iPad codex. I download an updated version of it practically every day from the UK ibooks store, but so far no joy.

      I've also emailed GW twice over the past six weeks, and have had no response. So with the combination of the codex not being updated, and a complete lack of customer service support, I can only conclude that I will never, ever again purchase an iPad codex from GW. And I'd also advise anyone who was considering it against it as well.

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    6. My iPad C:SM includes the new Stormraven/Storm Talon data, so not sure why yours wouldn't. I got the update the day Death from the Skies came out.

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    7. Weird. Sucks to be me then.

      Did you download the update from iBooks?

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    8. C:CSM says "Update" in iBooks, and I tried to download it a couple of times, and waited the hour or so while it did, but didn't see any updated material.

      Chris, what did you do to update your C:SM copy? Do I have to delete my copy first for it to properly re-install?

      Any help from anyone would be appreciated. I love my digital dexs, and updates with FAQs was one of the reason I went this route, but so far I'm stumped... :-/

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    9. Make sure you have the latest iBooks version. You can also try deleting your copy and re-download; I've known some folks who have had trouble with the iBooks update function in general.

      Curiously, there has been an update come out since the 'Raven/'Talon update, and it *is* stuck for me, no matter what I try. Maybe it's that same update causing you grief?

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  10. Still nothing about Black Templar’s, they are needed a lot more than vanilla marines. I am fed up with using my Elite Templar’s as vanilla jar heads. Semper Fi Hoo-rah.

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    1. It's been hinted that the Templars have been rolled into the SM Dex..so hooray?

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    2. Nooooooooooooooo
      Oh well at least i could use my whirlwind again.

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    3. They won't be rolled into the Vanilla Codex, I'm almost certain of it. It's just a matter of not what needs the update the most, but what they want to update the most.

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    4. I'd love some Sisters of Battle to show up somewhere, even if it meant attachment to another codex. Even if BT's got rolled in that's better than nothing at all.

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  11. If this is true, then every player who just bought the Death from the Skies book will go apeshit.

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  12. Why would they update 5th edition SM codex before 4th edition Eldar codex ?

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    1. SM has been a line cutter for the past 3 editions iirc.

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  13. So where does this leave Apocalypse Redux? That one displaced Allies Supplement from the June slot already.

    Can't really believe that GW would shuffle releases around that drastically, so either this new rumour is bogus or the earlier rumourmongers have been resorting to obsolete information or guesswork.

    Though, it would have been strange to have two consecutive Christmases of a new edition without GW's foremost selling article. But still, I'd place the release to Q4, after Eldar.

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  14. Eldar will be an amazing book I'm sure when it hits and a long time coming, I sold off all but a few unit from my huge Eldar collection back in 2009 as they were just not fun anymore.

    Now I am looking at some for allies so bring on the new jetbike/chariot mounted Seer Council.

    My Marines get a lot of play time so an update to move a few things around and give it a bit more flexibility would be cool.

    I would like to see chaplins moved to the elite slot and the same Tac Squad bare-bone bolter option as in the DA Dex.



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  15. I for one am looking forward to WFB seeing a bit of this love for new releases! Bring on the HE in May (hopefully)

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  16. the rumours i have heard for mid year release from GW people i know were an apoc release with a plastic kit bigger than the baneblade one only a few models fit that slot. titan/thunderhawk anyone?

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    1. With how big standard kits are getting (i.e. Riptide), I can see a plastic Warhound kit...

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    2. I'd get three! (joking)
      But they have made the stompa in plastic so a warhound would be feasible. I'm sure forgeworld have had a good run with them and they have the reaver to trump it still.

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  17. C:SM being released around that time doesn't surprise me at all. SM are the poster-child of GW, most of us started playing the game with SM because they were simple and looked cool and allowed for many color schemes. One of the main reasons I can think of for June being the release time for C:SM comes down to 2 words: Summer Break. Lots of kids/teens/young adults having more free time and a summer job allows them to actually start collecting an army. By that time, some of them have researched the hobby, others will walk into a store and ask about it, to which they will hear "yeah, let's try a game. Did you enjoy it? Want to start an army? Good news! Space Marines just got a whole bunch of new models and a new rulebook, so it's a great time to start them!" GW probably makes a ton of sales from new players more than veterans, and this would be ideal time to do so.

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    1. Yea, because we need more SM players. Ugh... We need more non-power armour people. I get so tired of my opponents all having power armour.

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    2. This.

      The number of times I see a parent "drop off" a kid for a couple of hours to get an intro game or 2, then come back to get convinced to spend £120+ on starter set/kit selection + codex + paints is astounding.

      While I was curious to see the new Eldar stuff, new Marine stuff makes more sense for early summer

      If I wasn't about to buy a house I'd be all over this release. Marines desperately need some new plastic kits for Tac/Assault/Dev squads - the old ones are ancient and badly showing their age. I don't care for shiny new toys, just basic kits that are as good as the modern crop.

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    3. I'd rather have new players than less power armor, they'll get around to xenos eventually. You want to start with the awesome muscly super humans, eventually you start to think about what the weedy derpish aliens are like. ;)

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  18. Wait, what happened to high elves? I thought they were supposed to be in between tau and eldar? It just seems like c:sm would be a big enough deal that we would be seeing more with it this close.

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  19. They should keep some Elves for Christmas... therefore i buy this Space Marine rumour.. :)

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  20. Greetings:

    Well, I think is possible GW release Eldar after Space Marines. Old rumors sayed Orks, Eldars, Tyranids and Tau. Well, we have Tau on April. SM, next army? Possible. I think so.

    I play with SM, and I hope GW down our points per model this time. 16 points for marine is horrible. 13 like Space Wolves o 14 even Dark Angels. Why not?

    Maybe we'll Can be competitive.

    Farewell.

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    1. space wolves are 15 ppm, that's a whole 1 pt less. Considering your entire army is Ld 9 I think 16 pts is pretty darn fair and appropriate.

      Dark angels are only 14 ppm because they come with a standard srgt not a vet.

      Most I could see marines being is 15 ppm. (especially with the new raoid fire rules). Frag, krack, pistol and bolter with a 3+ is pretty awesome combo.

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    2. Codex marines are only Ld8, the sergeants are Ld9, so if the sergeant dies or you combat squad, you're back to 8. Obviously Ld8 with ATSKNF is still nothing to sneeze at but there you go. Part of the Codex Marine 16 point cost is the free and discounted special/heavy weapons they get. A Flamer and missle launcher/M. Melta/heavy bolter are factored into the point cost of the 10 man unit, and any other squad size pays that tax as well.

      Also bear in mind that Space Wolf Grey Hunters are comparatively undercosted. 15 points gets you a stock codex tac marine + a CCW and counter attack. And then(correct me if I'm fuzzy on this) they get a second special weapon for free at 10 marines after paying for 1.

      If Tac squads keep the free weapon options, I'd still expect them to go down to 15ppm, 14 if the free stuff goes away, with the veteran sergeant as an option, to keep in line with the prices established by C:DA.

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    3. I for one hope that my dark angels are not another test bed for codex space marines and that the now unique abilities that they have such as demi squads with heavy weapons banners et all stays unique the vanilla marines have enough variety as is plus imho the only additions they need are 6th edition rules flyers updated and flakk missiles and black templar units if and say if they get rolled into codex space marines

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    4. Vanilla codex have the most expensive marines in the game. Yes, we have free weapons if we buy 10 miniatures. Nobody gift anything to us.
      If we pay combat squads (90 points) we can't get any special weapon or heavy weapon. 10 miniatures with special weapons and heavy weapon free with sargeant with power weapon an combiweapon mounted in rhino cost 230 points. Dark Angel ten miniaturess squad with the same configuration cost, more or less, 195 points .
      Don't kidding me guys!
      It's a horrible joke.
      You know what the Space Wolves and Dark Angels have the same atributes with the vanilla marines. Same HA, same HP...Same save. But have more options for they're tactical squads. Sargent's Spave Wolves with Terminator Armour in Tactical Squads?
      Pboyle was right.
      @Will Harrys, the flyers are a adition in 6th edition, have 1 month or something. Vanilla don't have Flakk ammounition. Even in FAQs don't appear.
      Dark Angels Terminators with Plasma Cannon? Wow! Terminators squads usefully!! In other cases, only Storm bolters (Wow, 2 bolters shots for miniature. Yes, it's a mighty combo...), Heavy Flamer, Cyclon missile launcher and assault cannon. All of them, less HF, are very expensive.
      Obviously we need a real actualitation for 6 ed. I prefer less cost points per model.
      Chaos have it, Demons have it, Dark Angels have it. Why not vainilla marines?
      Will, don't worry. If GW writes a Over Codex this is not a Marine Codex. Maybe Necrons, Tyranids, Orks or, probably, Imperial Guard.

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    5. @Fer: Space Marines get ATSKNF for a very small number of points above what a standard CSM costs, plus free weapons options. That's HUGE!!! With CSMs taking a hit in Ld, the lack of ATSKNF is big. Quit complaining...

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    6. Oh, yeah, and let's not forget Combat Squads for SMs... :-(

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  21. sign.... Tau was my first army and I'm eager to get back to them, I've recently started space marines, and I have a small force of Eldar because I like these space elves and want to expand them....what's that, oh, the dying scream of my wallet...

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  22. I'd buy new editions of both Blood Bowl or Warhammer Quest, although I'd believe it when I see it, as both have been rumoured for years.

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  23. Remember the Black Templar rumor way back on Thanksgiving?

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  24. Tau Pricelist via http://astropate.blogspot.com/2013/03/nuove-impero-tau-due-nuove-immagini-da.html

    Codex: Tau Empire: $50.24
    Tau Empire Battleforce: $130
    Tau Empire XV8 Crisis Battlesuit Team (3): $75
    Tau Empire Pathfinder Team (8): $35
    Hammerhead: $57.96
    Tau Empire Sun Shark Bomber/Razorshark Fighter: $65
    Tau Empire XV104 Riptide Battlesuit: $85
    Tau Empire XV88 Broadside Battlesuit: $50
    Fireblade Cadre: $19.32
    Crisis Suit commander: $42.51
    Farsight: $50.24
    Shi´vre (Finecast) $20.61
    Sha´ng (Finecast): $16.75

    Shi'vre is the Pathfinder SC, Darkstrider.
    Sha'ng is the Tank Commander Longknife.

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  25. if this is true, then I'm really glad I didn't fork over the supplement cash. a book that didn't even make it a year before it became only useful for ork players.

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  26. Well this is some pretty good news for my wallet, I'll no doubt buy the codex but besides something really special coming out I'm not going to spend big on space marines anytime soon. I can proxy with my DA if I really need to.
    If there is going to be a buffer between Tau and Eldar maybe I can spend a bit more on the Tau release.

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  27. Eldar had damn well better be out before sm. They are much more deserving of a new release and not just because I play them.

    Seriously apart from bt they will be the only pre 5h codex left and at least you can use another book for them if competitiveness is that important before they get updated.

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  28. Any ideas what these rumours for SM do for fantasy?

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  29. Eldar codex, postponed again... For 2 years I delay expanding my army, because the codex is said to be just after X, in few months... I'm sick of it.

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    1. It's not postponed. It was always slated for "after August"... Chill, y'all...

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  30. I hope this isn't true. That means GW is going back to the "Imperial, Xenos, Imperial, Xenos" pattern for their releases...

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  31. O my god look how many comments we have when you hear about SM's and then you are whining about the same and the same.

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  32. O my god look how many comments we have when you hear about SM's and then you are whining about the same and the same.

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  33. I agree with Weirdling. I imagine me and most eldar players would dump a lot of cash into a new codex and decent new minis.

    It gets frustrating to play with an army that has 7 year old rules and minis that are almost in their twenties or thirties!

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  34. I wouldn't be inclined to believe this, almost purely because it goes against the Hastings order. Hastings said that Marines are after Eldar, so they are almost certainly after Eldar, with no offence to Natfka's source. It's possible there is a wave mix up, though, like what happened with Warriors of Chaos.

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  35. I keep seeing these Eldar players here, commenting on the "fairness" of release order and how it's frustrating playing an old codex with old models. As a Sisters of Battle player, all I can do is laugh and say you no nothing of frustration.

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  36. At least you had a white dwarf update Harley. Apart from the night spinner Eldar have had nothing for 7 years. Plus no offence but Eldar are part of the established 40k history more than Sisters imo.

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    1. Many veteran SoB players would rather the WD "update" never happened. It killed off half the codex, left the army with only 1-2 viable lists, retconned much of the fluff and erased many unit builds. How is that a good thing?

      The majority of the models in the range are 16 years old with only a few like the Immolator kit being 10 years old. Sorry, I'll take the Eldar's state of care over the SoB any day.

      That said, everyone knows the Space Marines -don't- need it. But it's all about the $$$.

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    2. Not to mention at least the Eldar have some great Forgeworld models to supplement their range.

      If Eldar are a more established part of the 40k universe it is only because GW chooses to neglect the SoB. There is certainly an incredibly strong fan base for BOTH in the world, and the disproportionate attention is unfortunate.

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    3. What is the strangest is that nearly all of GW's competitors are busy putting out quality female figures (have to bring up Raging Heroes' upcoming Kickstarter here as well), but GW apparently wants to keep their model line "boys only" - token entries such as DE Wyches/Witch Elves and occasional Vampire Lord(ess) do not count.

      This, despite GW having an actual all-female army (excluding Frateris hangarounds) in their fluff (plus the IG player in me is also disappoint because mixed-gender regiments are implied to be the norm in the fluff). Smells of a wasted business potential to me.

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