Normally this would not make news, but this is not the first time I have heard this, and hence why its worth posting up. The just of it is that we are going to be continuing to see a codex around every 3 months (loosely). Already this year we have seen 2 codex releases, which is nothing short of amazing as its only the beginning of March.


I know this topic at one point (over 6 months ago) was being discussed, and that there was more to it, but it lines up with what was said over on Heresy Online, and correlates with what we have seen with the fast and furious release schedules we have seen lately.

The point I suppose is this, we are looking at getting to every codex within a couple years, OK maybe three, and that this type of release schedule is a dream come true for most hobbyist. It is interesting that GW staff and local stores and at Warhammer World are now dispersing this information.

Along the bottom of this post, I am including Hastings release order list again, because now rumor wise, we are looking past Chaos Daemons, to see what is next, and how quickly the next codex (Tau) may come.

Please remember that this falls under rumors, so as always a little salt is required.


via falcoso over on Heresy Online
All 40k armies updated in 3 years?
So on several ocsasions I have spoken to the staff at my FLGS and at warhammer world about releases, and they have been saying that they are aiming to release a new codex every 3 months, and so far that has held up with CSM DA and deamons. That leaves 12 armies left (I think) which means that if GW keeps this release rate then all the armies should be up to date in 3 years.




via 75hastings69  on Warseer August 21st 2012
For clarity running order for 40k & wfb =

40k starter
CSM
WoC
DA
CD/DoC
Tau
HE
Eldar
LM

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  1. so does that mean 7th ed 40k in 2016?

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    1. I have had this discussion, and cannot go into details about it. I will say no though. 6th edition is meant to last longer than this.

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    2. more likely 2018, they will maybe get all codices done to make as many players as possible involved into the game. and let us play 6th edition in maybee 2 years with only loose model releases and errata.

      or, they will step down their tempo now that the posterboys are done aswell as the two chaos-forces that compliment each other, no need to stress things from now on since everything is set for the beginners to choose sides and start, and we old horses will give money for the plastic heroin no matter what :P

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    3. That's good to hear. I really like 6th edition, and it would be awesome to have a 6th edition codex for every army at the same time.

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    4. I hope they keep up the release clip. No more 1-2 armies per system per year. That was horrendous.

      This will give everyone something, and as long as they keep up the splash releases and FAQ's, this is a great trend.

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    5. That was never actually the case. Most years since Rogue Trader have seen 2 or 3 codecies each year - 2012 was a massive slump for GW's releases. In fact, I think (not positive) that 2012 was the first year since 2nd edition with less than 2 codecies. One year in 3rd Ed, they even had 5 or so. ;)

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    6. Thats because in 2nd ed all the codecies were part of the rule book. 3rd was the introduction of the Codex and 4th was the introduction of stand alone Marine Dex's before 4th they were just chapter update books that worked off Codex Space Marines

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    7. Incorrect, Aaron. Please google eldar second edition. Also google space marines thus edition. You'll see covers for both. Also please check out angels of death second Ed codex fit dark angels and blood angels.

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    8. And Space Wolves, and Tyranids, and Imperial Guard, and Orks, and Chaos...

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    9. Yep- 2nd and 3rd are the only editions so far that can be considered completed. They had a codex for every race/army.

      I too would count rogue trader but they didn't have codex books yet (although the warhammer compendium had Squats, Guard, Marines and Harlequins). The Orks had a few books and the two chaos books- the list and the damned and slaves to darkness. Finally- a compendium featuring the Eldar. Man, I miss 1st edition.

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    10. I think this is great. I think the long term goal for GW is to just get the codexes out. I think we'd still have a good 2-3years left of just Grim, dark, far future, bloodletting before word let slip of a new edition.

      This is my hope.

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    11. Wizzy, I disagree on 2nd ed, they never did do a Squat Codex...

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  2. seems about right, especially as every white dwarf in recent days just seems to be a vehicle for announcing that months releases

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  3. I like the sound of this. If anything it would expand the amount of armies I get to play against. I have not have the pleasure of playing against black templars for example.

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    1. I agree. The pool of opponents' diversity tends to be shallow. I haven't even gotten to play against vanilla marines in an age.
      Though, the plus side is that everyone wants to play my Eldar because I have an uncommon army.

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  5. So it sounds like it will be 2+ years before we really settle down into a stable meta game

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    1. Which is great. It means that you have even less of an idea what your opponent might bring.

      Doesn't that sound much nicer than playing against the same net lists all the time?

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    2. I concur, net lists are for morons...

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  6. I'm having a blond moment, what does LM mean (the final entry on the rumoured release order)?

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  7. It honestly doesn't surprise me that they want to churn out rulebooks fast for this edition. I've only been with the hobby since 3rd edition, but this edition seems to have brought the most changes to the game thus far from my point of view, with the inclusion of fliers, hull points, CC weapons having different AP values and rules, warlord traits, a decent number of USR added in, allies as an option to all armies (except Tyranids, sorry people :/ )etc. While each of those things I've mentioned are small on their own, it adds up quickly to really effect the game and all of the armies' playstyles. I'm not making an argument on whether they're aiming for balance or not, it just seems to make sense to bring all of the armies to have similar codex structures.

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    1. I do t know. The change from 2nd edition and 3rd edition was the most radical to me.

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    2. Yeah but 2md edition Codices were not usable in the 3rd edition game.

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  8. So this suggests that Tau will be June (March: Deamons +3 = June: Tau). I was really hoping for a May release :(

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    1. Well. January was Dark Angles, February saw the Warriors of Chaos, and March saw the Daemons... the every 3 months haven't really held up :P

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    2. I think it's an overall average. When one takes into account summer releases, supplements, White Dwarf or online exclusives, it will probably average around 3 months per.

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    3. I think if you ONLY look at 40k it will be 3 months between releases on average. But if you look at both fantasy and 40k, that means we are only looking at one more book this year for that average to have been reached... which I highly doubt.

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  9. The key to a level playing field will be having the BRB stick around in it's current edition fir longer than 5 years!! Look at the history of Codex releases. 4 per year is not a huge difference than the 3 per year standard that has already been set.
    BRB for 7 or 8 years would be a dream, especially this iteration. It's a gem.

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    1. Completely agree, perhaps the best rules i've ever used

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  10. I think its a good idea for GW to have ever codex updated. I know nobody will disagree with me-- hopefully it would lead to a more stable and competitively balanced game (not just competitive for tournys and blah blah but balanced). More balanced armies= more fun for everyone involved, fluff and tourny lovers.

    What I do worry about is that always re-releasing each codex within 2 years is they might lose sight of the fluff as they focus more on balance. Does anybody else feel this way?? Im not saying that they will for sure screw up the fluff im just sayin its a concern. Im a video game fan as well and what we keep seeing in good franchises is that they find a game that works and they start pumping them out every year or two years...and most of them start to suck.

    I know that a different industry and I dont want to get into that-- But what do other people think? Could this become a problem in the game we love so much?

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    1. If it means that they don't gut the fluff, and have more stupid stuff like Blood Angels bro-fisting Necrons, wolves riding wolves or the big Tau monstrosity that's rumoured, then it's a great idea.

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    2. Seeing as how it's their fluff, I'm pretty sure that means they can do what they want with it.

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    3. Yeah that makes sense. Let them change everything its there's. Deamons and tau team up and become best friends- its there fluff why not?
      Good comment bro.

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    5. Yes the Blood Angels and Necrons going hmm shit, that bug faced monstrosity wants to eat us, hows about we team up and kill it, yep thats crazy.

      And yeah the Space wolves ridding Wolves damn it its not like they were known to be feral warirors who compleatly ignore the Codex Astarties are they now? And its not like they totaly lapshaded their suden inclusion?

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  11. Fool me one edition shame on me, fool me two editions...

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  12. Did you know that Tau day (the mathematical term, an alternative to Pi) is in June?

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    1. Not to blow this completely off topic, but my bachelors in mathematics compels me to point out that no one in the mathematical community takes tau seriously. It's mainly a PR campaign that has no actual reflection in the literature.

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    2. While gimmicky, it does make sense in physics, since quite a few physics equations contain the factor 2pi. Ultimately, it doesn't make a blind bit of difference since it is the exact same value.

      And of course, it doesn't matter the usefulness or how aesthetic it is in physical theory, if GW decide that releasing tau on June 28th is a good publicity stunt, then they will do it.

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  13. Well, once GW get the codices done they can start to concentrate on expansions and such. (Or, maybe even introduce completely new armies after old ones are updated!)

    For instance, Apocalypse is two editions old, and even GW superheavies (not to mention FW ones) have their rules spread out all over the place - Apoc, Apoc Reloaded, IA: Apoc, IA: Apoc II. Also, superheavies are not so superheavy if they can only fire snapshots after firing ordnance (meaning that Baneblade/Hellhammer will never get to fire the hull Demolisher gun). Tank company is lulzy, becuase since that time a lot of LR variants have been included even in the basic IG codex, but as is you would only get to include vanilla Russes or Demolishers in one. Etc.

    Something like "Allies" supplement, especially now that Allies are part of main ruleset, would be nice. Armies/factions that do not necessarily warrant their own codex but could still be fun to have (and could be used to sell more minis, especially you are instructed to convert using several current GW boxes). Genestealer Cult, (Dark) Mechanicus, Arbites, various alien races only hinted at in the fluff, etc.

    Of course, Cityfight and Planetstrike (even though many of the rules have been included in the main game, fortifications and all) are also out of date. Skirmishing rules could also be one expansion - whether it's called "40K in 40 minutes", "Kill-Team", or a reincarnation of Necromunda.

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    1. Err... FW have heard your concerns and addressed the apocalypse super-heavy problems (and already updated the entire apocalypse rule-set) in an FAQ. Look on the downloads page they have on the website, it might be under IA 1 (2nd ed) FAQ.

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    2. Yes, they have... except there are the derps who refuse to have anything to do with FW because "it does not belong to 40K" and thus will not accept FW FAQ's either. Also, funny situation if (and when) GW models and GW rulesets have to rely on FW FAQ's...

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    3. There is a rumour kicking about that the Allies book may surface this year...

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  14. so if we are to see every army released in the next three years(which would be great IMHO) but the rulebook is supposed to be around for longer does this mean that they may perhaps introduce new armies?

    I really, really hope so...

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    1. Could be. The main point is, all armies released closer together means more balanced rules between the factions.

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  15. I actually expected something like that, considering the rapid pace of this year's releases. We'll have to wait and see, of course.

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  16. After they redo all current codexes it will be:
    Squats
    Genestealer Cults
    Harlequins (Real ones not footnote in other codexes)
    Deathwatch
    Exodites
    Slann
    Hrud
    Space Skaven

    One can dream can't one?

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    1. Maybe as an allied supplement? Not codices.

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    2. There has been an allied supplement book rumor floating around over the net for months now. I guess they would have to make all the models/upgrade parts for them to be all in one book first but if true that is certainly one supplement book I need to get my hands on. Genestealer Hybrid cults? F yes!

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    3. Allied supplement book would be awesome.

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    4. You forgot Arbites and Adept Mech, Plus Squats are just regular IG Abhumas again, like they should have stayed.

      Aren't Hrud Space Skaven?

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  17. Eldar before Orks ? aww :(

    Well, at least I'm gonna have time to paint everything I have until the new release ^^

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    1. Eldar have been rumored to be before Orks forever now...

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    2. yea ... but I'm still kinda hoping that eldar get stuck in difficult terrain, so that ork come first =)

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    3. Eldar came before Orks last time...

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  18. Staff at stores don't know anymore than you or I. They said this about 5th edition and it turned out to be false. This is conjecture and wishful thinking.

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    1. But there was nothing to base it off of with 5th edition. The last 12 months have shown a completely different release pattern, as well as random models for armies as a bit of a preface to what's coming.

      5th was more of the same old, same old.

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    2. There hasn't been enough time to establish a release pattern. Only 1 codex release in 2012? There is no "pattern" that people keep claiming to look for. For example, when Tau come out next, it will break the Imperial>Xeno>Imperial cycle everyone claims to be true.

      Humans tend to look for patterns to make their lives make more sense, but they just aren't always there. You have better luck predicting the weather with a Farmers Almanac than using this quick burst of releases as a sign we will get codex every other month.

      The regional sales rep for GW told my FLGS face to face that every codex would be redone for 5th edition. Never happened.

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    4. Well, between 40K & WHFB, we've had 5 books in 6 months, starting with CSM in October & ending with both Daemon books in March. That's a pretty good start, better than I can recall in the 10+ years I've been in this hobby. Guess it depends on when Tau hit the shelves, and what happens in April. I'm optimistic...

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  19. So 3 years before you have to buy all kinds of new models ;-)

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  20. 3 years is actually reassuring to me, as I have massive amounts of wood elves and sisters of battle that I want to play without using the singular competitive list builds their books have at the moment.

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    1. Implying Sisters would even have several builds, considering that their entire armylist consists of six infantry units, one artillery vehicle, one practically useless walker and two dedicated transports (and even FW only adds one transport and one flyer).

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    2. Hence why I'm patiently awaiting a new army book for them :)

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  21. For Tau lovers, I wouldn't worry about a backache in April as your wallet might just become a lot lighter.

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    1. HEY HEY, what do I see here?!

      Hint-hint.

      My brain jumps of happiness!

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  22. Is it bad after reading this my first thought was "maybe there is hope for sisters of battle." And I play space marines.

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  23. It would be nice not to have to wait till the end of a 5 year release cycle to get a new codex, or not get one at all, DA, Orks, Eldar, DE, and the list goes on of armies that have just been not updated for one or more editions.

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    1. My Eldar are patient and I am still winning games with my ancient codex.

      And don't forget about Sisters of Battle. Poor Sisters of Battle.

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    2. I should have invested in a CD when the last Eldar codex came out. The interest would have mostly bought the newer models. Hehehe.

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    3. Yes! Spellduckwrong, our ancient Dex still crushes the enemy...no allies necessary.

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    4. In my opinion the problem is not exactly not having a codex in five years, what I really think is that we shouldn't wait five years to have new MODELS. In fact, i think that GW should give us excuses to buy models BETWEEN codexes: call it a flyer supplement, a superheavy supplement or a battle expansion: the ideas they have had this year (doing a campaign book and a compilation of rules) would have been MUCH better with the inclusion of new models. I know that some will say that to have the rules for your army spread across books is ot nice, but i prefer to have them spread than to wait five years for a new model for my army.

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    5. +1
      I'm all for periodic updates and a quarterly campaign arc.

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  24. I'm not sure 3 years is long enough to work out the new Daemons codex...

    Saying that, I highly welcome this. Might be too early to say this (so touch wood just in case), but with a lot of players begging GW to pull their finger out over last decade (faster codices, erratas, understand the word balance etc..), Seems like they have finally complied with 6th.

    Now if they can just do something about the money gouging issues..

    And saying that, one of the things in favor of how insane the cost of the hobby is, is that it was spread out over a number of years. Now if that time scale gets shorter and prices still keep increasing, I'm not sure pulling their finger out will do them any good in run of things... We will see.

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  25. This would make sense from a business perspective... More books & models = more $$$. Never could understand why GW didn't release all the codexes under an edition before moving on to the next.

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    1. Something to do with shareholders and spreading the cost out I think. Though now with the chapter house issue, I think they have to release things more quickly to stay ahead of rivals releasing alternative models for new units and such. Also with bigger and better companies starting up everyday, I doubt they can afford to take such a relaxed attitude anymore.

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  26. I'll believe this when the Sisters of Battle receive a new codex and models.

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    1. Does no new units and rolled into an allies expansion count? I wouldn't hold out hope for more then that:)

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  27. Eh... I heard this same rumor when 5th came out.

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  28. Call me old, but I don't see this as good news because the pace is actually too frantic. I know I am in the minority in saying this and I was anxious for my DA's to get released, but if you are not fully immersed and regularly playing its actually too rapid.

    I know I own books I've only used once, like my Imperial Guard or my Tomb Kings. I own 3 40K armies, and 3 Fantasy Armies, and I really should scale back to 2 40K and 1 Fantasy because I can't keep pace with the new editions of Fantasy, and most of the books besides Dark Angels and Orks.

    Minority opinion I know. But when you're playing every week the books feel like they take a lifetime in between. When you play once in a blue moon, you buy a book, use it once or twice, and then have to replace it again.

    Someone loses either way. haha.

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  29. So far, Hastings has been dead on, so Tau in the next month or so. Who needs money, anyways?

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  30. I welcome this. If every codex is modern, this only increases the caliber of local gaming groups. Diversity is awesome!

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  31. Would this gp to include the likes of blood angles, dark angel, space wolves etc codexs??

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  32. Wow really? This edition is just horrible... He'll the FAQ's themselves contradict and nullify rules in the book. Don't even get me started on the codexes... Just a big mess...

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