Tau are getting close, and I had another confirmation last night that they are indeed coming in April. If this doesn't start to get everyone excited for Tau, I don't know what will.


In this set, there were some bits of information floating around over on 3++, so this is what was found. Please remember that these are rumors, some salt is always required.

via 3++ is the New Black (from inside the Chatbawks)
Broadsides - 85 pts with S8 Ap1 Skyfire; not sure if this is in place of old S10 AP1 or if the 85 points + skyfire is an option but its there
Hammerheads - regardless of what Railguns are now in general, keeps S10 AP1
SMS - twin-linked, ignores cover
Crisis Suits - not likely to move to Troops as an option
Disruption Pods - only +1 cover



60 Comments:

  1. If Broadsides lose there s10 ap1 shot I might hulk out in the game store. I figured disruption pods would be nerfed.

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    1. It will probably be like Flak Missiles. Lowered Strength but you get Skyfire. I wouldn't be surprised if you had to pick what kind of railgun was on it. Unless GW is feeling benevolent and you get an alternate fire mode.

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    2. It kind of makes sense, though: the Broadside's rail is a lot smaller than the Hammerhead - I always did think it was a little weird they did the exact same damage (sans submunitions). It nerfs them a little, but they're probably still tough as nails and I doubt they took off the twin-link.

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    4. Ive said it before and ill say it again 6th edition is about balance and if u thought that 9 S10 ap1 twin linked weapons was fair then wow u need to learn some new play tactics. Like strategy not let me throw nine op guns on the table. I cant believe no one saw this coming after reading other sixth edition books I personally look forward to more variety from tau players like csm daemons and dark angels those players are playing much different tactics due to their op weapons being reduced talk about changes plaguebearers no T5 no Fnp this is 6th get used to it

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    5. Ive said it before and ill say it again 6th edition is about balance and if u thought that 9 S10 ap1 twin linked weapons was fair then wow u need to learn some new play tactics. Like strategy not let me throw nine op guns on the table. I cant believe no one saw this coming after reading other sixth edition books I personally look forward to more variety from tau players like csm daemons and dark angels those players are playing much different tactics due to their op weapons being reduced talk about changes plaguebearers no T5 no Fnp this is 6th get used to it

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    6. malachi1981...PUNCTUATION...learn it. I get what you are saying, but wow, run on sentences.

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    7. I don't know. I've been very disappointed with the Chaos book-and I'm not nearly as invested in it as I am with Tau.

      I will download it and read through it several times before I make final judgement-but GW isn't getting a penny of my money before I decide if it's shit or not.

      Too many "Buy our new huge models that go outside the asthetic of your army" or any negative impacts to Crisis suits' statlines whatsoever, or any instances of rolling on charts/tables-and I'm out. I'll dump all 5000 points of my Tau into a bonfire and call the hobby a wasted experience in my life and move on.

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  2. I can see broadsides losing s10 ap1 but getting armorbane

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    1. I would doubt they get armorbane if they keep their range. Imagine having a meltagun that is always in 2d6 range and can reach most anywhere on the table.

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    2. I'd say give them S8 and options to give them:
      target array(+1 bs),
      High power cells (s10)
      Skyfire
      or bare,
      could be an intresting approach,
      to make the entire tau based on the modular systems.

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    1. Why? This seems pretty reasonable. Disruption pods nerfed, rail guns nerfed. The only buff is the sky fire, and my guess is that will probably be battle suit support system like targeting array, and your paying extra for it. It may very well be salty, but ican see this happening very easily.

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    2. Why does everyone say this is reasonable? Would people be so "it seems reasonable" about it if Lascannons were suddenly S 7? They're known for being what they are. What in anyone's mind, makes a drop in S like that "reasonable"?

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    3. S8 AP1 is still very good, nevermind being able to pop flyers like cheap gallons... Also there is a massive difference between these stats, and you lower lascannon example.

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    4. When I said reasonable, I meant it was reasonable to assume this was a possibility. I AM a Tau player, and I hate the thought of Broadsides being S8, but I DO see it as being something that GW would do. I just hope they do something to make up for it. Our troops have no melta/las/plas equivalent...this is all we have.

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    5. Ah gotcha, I have a feeling we will see Rail Rifles more common around our infantry, and better standoff options.

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  4. I agree Disruption pods definitely were going to get nerfed. That new ubersuit better be worth it because Broadsides costing 80pts standard is ridiculous.

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    1. If Crisis Suits are going squads of 3 according to another rumor, I wonder if Broadsides might be too.

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    2. I think that applies to the packaging of the suits. I can already build a squad of 3 Broadsides. I prefer taking squads of 2 but that's another matter all together. ;)

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  5. A str 10 shot would be OP against the current flyers as they are all Armor 11-12.

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    1. Or AV 10 if you're an Ork... -_-

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    2. At least our flyers point values are the same as the av 11 and 12s.

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  6. I'm hoping the 85 point estimate is with the skyfire upgrade. That would be awesome. If its without that upgrade then I think the Tau may have some problems.

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    1. Indeed. I may just save myself $50 and stick with the old trusty codex. These 'super suits' and *spit* strength 8 broadsides have the stench of Cruddance-no matter what is said. If this turns out to be true, this will be two books now that I have gotten underwhelming results from, and I may just have to be one of those guys who 'just paints'.

      I don't want to be one of those hippies.

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  7. S8 Broadsides would not be worth the points unless they got a massive buff in other areas. Being able to reliably hurt AV14 at range and ID T5 models is one of their big selling points.

    I suppose that does fit with GW's modus operandi though, nerf what every has and buff what they don't. I'm guessing Vespid and Sniper Drone Teams will be getting buffs at least.

    Good job I never got around to buying more than three Broadsides, eh?

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    1. It sucks for me because I have 12 and use them all the time in Apocalypse games. I'm really waiting on the new codex before I throw the baby out with the bath water.

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    2. Heck, personally if I could get hold of S8 AP1 skyfire weapons in units with an invun save I'd be shouting from the rooftops!

      That's better than a hydra, with more mobility (relentless, so can redeploy and shoot, jump pack so can get away from potential assaults).

      Much depends what else is in the heavy support slot but that'd a good old gunboat! I may be missing something but isn't a relentless ground attack, air defence mobile unit valuable?

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    3. Broadsides aren't relentless or Jetpack troops at the moment and the odds of them getting any of that in the new codex will be very slim.

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    4. Espially seeng they have better armour saves because of there extra bulk

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  8. Not sure why people think disruption pods are nerfed... Before 6th edition they just gave you a 4+ cover from more than 12 inches. With skimmer rules having a 5+ jink save (which is a cover save) this will actually be better than the original pods as they stood this time last year.

    Guess it will depend on how much they cost

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    1. Right now D-pods give Shrouded so that will be a 3+ cover save if they move. That is a little strong for a 5pt upgrade IMO. I'm not saying it's a a nerf or buff. I was actually saying that D-pods should just grant stealth for balance issues.

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    2. You're mostly right. A year ago you could get the 4+ standing still, so it was good protection against an alpha strike IG army. Now it would give you the 4+ if you move and a 6+ otherwise.

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    3. yeah I'll say it's OP.

      Doesn't even roll for difficult terrain if it plops into a area ruin, then it's got a 2+ save on anything that can get past the Hammerhead's front armour of 13.

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  9. I haven't heard anything about the Skyray.
    I figured it would have become the dedicated anti-air for Tau, not the broadsides.

    The SMS looks like the only good news here.

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  10. Beh, why change Broadsides? They're effectively an AT artillery unit, not AA. Sniper Drones could be upgraded to be AA as they're S6 like new flyers and let's not forget that the Sky Ray...well, the clue is in the name :'(

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  11. or Rail Rifle S6 Ap3, Rail Gun S8 Ap1 Skyfire (with option for interceptor) and Rail Cannon S10 Ap1.

    Can anybody guess where these now go? it's pretty obvious isn't it?

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    1. That's interesting Shas'O,

      looks you described weapon options that relate to sniper drone- pathfinder/broadside/Hammerhead armaments...

      or perhaps these, or some of these options are now available in non-units that previously didn't have access? Could you share as much?

      Ps. Thanks for bringing to us all the great info about incoming rumours!

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    2. This logic I can see. In my mind this is what I see, based off of your statement. Rail Cannon, 72" S 10 AP 1; Rail Gun, 54" S 8 AP 2; Rail Rifle, 36" S 6 AP 3; and just for fun, Rail Pistol, 18" S 4 AP 4.

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    3. While it does make a certain kind of sense, it will mean that there are far too many units crowding the Heavy Slot.
      With XV-88s being S10, you could at least choose where you fired your 3 shots...

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    4. The numbers from Shas'o Iceborn seem reasonable based on the size of the munition and the type of gun firing it. The Broadside's rail guns are smaller than the Hammerheads, so Broadsides shots wouldn't reach up to the size and speed of the Hammerhead's shot.

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  12. I think that's good news in general, a reconsideration and subsequent reformulation of the game mechanics is a must. You get some you lose some, that’s the way it goes for every list on 6th ed so far. It doesn't matter if some stats change, as long as there are viable options to tackle problems on the battlefield.

    I wouldn't underestimate the fragmented nature of the rumours either. Eumours are isolated and decontextualised - we might get S8 broadsides, but there might be upgrades, points reductions and/or additional rules.

    We have waited for almost 10 years with a poorly written codex folks, let’s admit it: Any set of rules that will bring our army up to date will be pretty awesome!

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  13. I find that the st8 is acceptible if they act like line templates. st 8 but being able to get multiple hits is alright by me. though i'd prefer st9, they're still railguns.

    don't know about that would work with sky-fire.

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    1. If broadsides only have skyfire wont they need6's to hit anything else?

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    2. that's... an excellent point Jaydee

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    3. If the only have Skyfire and no Interceptor, then yep.

      So that'd be quite a few points for a smart missile system if your opponent isn't bringing flyers for a game.

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    4. Oh wait, just checked the rulles, if you have both interceptor and skyfire you can shoot to all types of targets - its on p.42 Skyfire description.

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    5. So im gonna assume then that skyfire will be an upgrade and not included then. Otherwise they my not make up their points if there is only 1 flyer or none.

      Or maybe they can be taken in units of X and anyone of those models can take the upgrade so the rest of the unit doesnt have too.

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  15. Yeah, twin-linked smart missile systems!
    Pew pew pew pew!

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  16. Unless there's a way to bring Fusion to bear against high armour units, S8 Railguns will break the Tau. It's impossible to penetrate AV14 - Land Raiders will be unstoppable, enabling the embarked Terminators to get into the front lines on the first turn.

    Oh wait... This favours Space Morons. Of course it makes sense.

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    1. Only Broadsides seem to get this treatment... Hammerheads (and possibly the uber suit) are still S10.

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    2. But that makes Hammerheads the only way to break heavy armour. I suppose GW are now limiting options for some things, while giving other things too many choices.

      I might have to buy some suicide Piranhas, arm them with Fusion Blasters and hope they make it in time to pop the tanks. I can't rely on just the single shot Hammerhead (and I don't really like it anyway).

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    3. I'm hoping that if XV-88s do get Skyfire it's that which is dropping their railguns to S8 and we still get normal S10 Broadsides.

      Otherwise it sounds a bit crap...without seeing what other changes we get.

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    4. I hope it's the option to skyfire rather than the rule itself without a choice as to whether or not to use it. If they don't have the option to shoot ground targets normally, they become expensive garbage because any opponent w/o fliers gets to make them next to useless.

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  17. Gotta say I sort of saw this coming(str 8 rails) but I was hoping not. I've said for quite a while that it didn't make sense that a guy in a suit can carry 2 railguns but the tank only has 1?! But I was hoping they would go the other way with it and make the hammerhead better. :-P

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    1. Yeah even if they gave it more than one shot to make up for the huge shot or better armour pen like with snipers if you roll a 6 you gey an extra d3 for armour pen

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  18. Then again how much AV14 are you actually seeing? Leman Russes? Not many Land Raiders, Battle Wagons, or Monoliths being taken right now. And players with guard allies aren't really taking the Leman, so that leaves one army running AV14. Meh!

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