When rumors conflict.
I just wanted to explain that there are lots of people that write into this site, and other sources that are pulled from elsewhere. I do not post everything that comes into the site, simply because there is some of it seems like wishlisting and is completely out in left field, or I mistakenly miss it in my inbox. (I have missed some good rumor bits this way).


I enjoy reading through rumors, which is why I gather and report on them. Being a real world news junkie myself, this comes naturally. So when rumors conflict,  I post up on it, so that readers can hopefully get a better understanding of where things are headed. rumors are rumors.

If you want an exact verifiable listing, you should wait for a codex to arrive. Rumors are most often not from a final product, and there are often multiple versions of a ruleset or units going on during playtesting. Rumor Tracking is almost complete garbage, unless you are tracking very vague bits, like what army is being worked on, or rumors that are less than a month away from release. (everything else is based off information that changes right up until a final print copy of the codex is done).

Posting up conflicting rumors does not dis on any one source, (unless its completely garbage), as the rumors that sometimes come in, are passed along to me sometimes by memory, or sometimes through one or two people before reaching here. There are going to be mistakes.

Early rumors are great though, they give us a direction, and sometimes hints on what units or types of units are going to be in an upcoming codex. I generally classify rumors as having a strong basis of truth in them. Its rare for a rumor to be completely made up, just as its rare to get an actual print copy of a codex months in advance.

When reading rumors, enjoy it. Take a look at what is coming out, comment on it (sometimes we receive rumors to get more input on ideas), and realize that people that are sending in rumors do so, not for a quick bit of fame, but because they really do want to let us know what may be on the horizon, and are doing so the best that they can.

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  1. Very much appreciated.

    I'm grateful for your hard work and to those who send you the rumours.

    As someone about to start collecting something, I've really enjoyed both the daemon and tau rumours. I honestly believe I'll be getting one of these armies, all because of what I've read here.

    Thank you.

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  2. Can you make this post mandatory reading for everyone who comes to your site?

    I know it's not realistic, but it drives me nuts when people get all bent out of shape by rumors.

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    1. Agreed. But people are still going to go ape over it. More to the point, 99% of those who read these pages will not go ape, but that ONE GUY will loose his crumpet over a rumor not being what he wants it to be, or not coming to the final product in exactly the way he heard it and BAM! He posts it on the web. Hell, he might post it in more then one place, or even run his own blog!

      That one guy get's a response. Someone else chime's in and eventually 3 forum pages later, it LOOKS like the general public are upset over something, when it's only a vocal minority who's words have been etched into the internet's collective brain stew.

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    2. Yeah, Natfka saves me money through his rumors. I thrive on them, and the only person who is a rumormonger that I dislike, is Ghost21 from warseer... though a part of me still believes his rumors.. or at least hopes...

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    3. Ghost21 only ever got two things right and was proven to be a liar by ADB. The only rumors he hasn't been proven wrong on are his BT rumors and those are pretty sure to be wrong.

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  3. remeber when you published a rumor claiming
    DA get
    AA-whirlwind
    Gun Slingers
    Priest Squads
    Plas Preds
    and much more of wich most isn´t nearlly in the dex!

    Youre rumors only have value when you take them from Hasting, Stickmoneky or someone els from Warseer.

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    1. And I'm still waiting for the AA-whirlwind (Maybe after saturating the game with flyers).

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    2. Your comments only have value when they're well written.

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    3. I feel like there needs to be a front page with rules for people visiting this blog sometimes...
      Natfka is not a rumour source! This blog collects rumours into a convenient place for jerks like me who can't be bothered to hunt them down! If a rumour is wrong it can be for multiple reasons (bad source, ideas that get dropped, ideas that get changed, etc.) Natfka does not have control over how these rumours pan out!
      Basically: DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER!!!

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    4. Only British rumo[u]rmongers have a connection to GW... new at 11. ;)

      Seriously, though, I do love reading this blog, exactly for the reasons stated: the entertainment value. Keep 'em coming!

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    5. @Jon Wilko: Natfka is a rumor source when he posts new rumors from anonymous sources.
      The same as Hastings is a rumor source when he posts new rumors from anonymous sources.
      The same as ghost21 is a rumor source when he posts new rumors from anonymous sources.
      The same as Stickmonkey is a rumor source when he posts new rumors from anonymous sources.

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    6. Isn't gunslinger a universal rule like wall of death? Company vets can swap boltguns for plasma pistols for dual pistol load out. 5 gets hot rolls, and 5 bolts, have fun with that. Imagine 10 gets hot rolls and realize why it's not in the book.

      Plasma Predator? Check out the LS:Vengeance. Also suffers from gets hot rolls, making the meta turn against it early in the life cycle.

      Priests? Ok, we didn't get those... But we got knights for each wing. Grab some extra bits from the DW command box and you could make a really DA looking Chaplin. Seriously though, how useful would three Chaplin be? Just take Azzy and you have table wide leadership buffs, even though everyone is at least stubborn.

      The only thing that sticks out in my head as crappy wish listing was the Master of the Forge. Not only did we not get that, the fluff for the Techmarines make them seem like a joke in the chapter, merely tolerated but never accepted.

      Everyone did the say the plane would suck, which it does... No way they pulled that out of the sky given the strength of every other plane that was already out.

      Not only did I follow the DA rumors, I enjoyed them, and in the end some of it was spot on. Mission accomplished.

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    7. "Natfka is a rumor source when he posts new rumors from anonymous sources."

      That makes about as much sense as calling any reporter a source of the information.

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    8. Ah, beat me to it Natfka!
      @Eben: A source is a point of origin, in this case for rumours. Natfka might share rumours that come straight to him but they don't originate from him, hence messenger!
      Hastings, ghost21 and Stickmonkey may also share rumours from other SOURCES (making them also messengers), but I never said anything about any of them so I don't see the relevance in bringing them up? Applying poor logic to multiple cases doesn't make it right :P

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    9. Except that anonymous sources are rarely used by reporters for exactly the reasons I state. They are often unnecessary and lead to questions about the validity of information (including whether the reporter made it all up).

      If you spend some time researching, you'll find out that the use of anonymous sources by reporters is pretty controversial nowadays.

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    10. @Jon Wilko: The point isn't whether Natfka is a rumor source or a reporter. Those are just names.

      The point is that what Natfka does is no different than Stickmonkey, Hastings or Ghost21. The only difference is that Natfka also reposts rumors from the other rumormongers as part of his blog (although, to be fair, Hastings did rumor compilations as well).

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    11. True, everything here could be made up.
      I would expect at least some sources anonymity to be because of links to GW (you know, to keep their jobs and stuff) but I as a reader I simply don't know. The trouble with comparing a rumour blog with 'proper news' reporting is that rumours aren't expected to be 100% accurate, but other news would be.
      I suppose I just put trust in Natfka to respect us readers enough to be honest and do as best he can with this blog.

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    12. And I get you're saying Natfka operates like the others... But I don't get why you put that in a post directed at me! Maybe I'm just too tired :P

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    13. I wholeheartedly agree. Only 100% accuracy from now on Natfka! Of course this blog may get a little boring when the only story every day will be "White Dwarf guaranteed to come out next month!"
      Seriously , the clue lies in the word 'rumo(u)r'. Very rarely have I seen Natfka claiming something is a 'fact'.
      Personally, I find this one of the very best sites for 40K 'news'.

      Rob

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    14. I wholeheartedly agree. Only 100% accuracy from now on Natfka! Of course this blog may get a little boring when the only story every day will be "White Dwarf guaranteed to come out next month!"
      Seriously , the clue lies in the word 'rumo(u)r'. Very rarely have I seen Natfka claiming something is a 'fact'.
      Personally, I find this one of the very best sites for 40K 'news'.

      Rob

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    15. @Eben
      Bla, bla, bla, bla. I don't give a crap about the rest of journalist world. I come to this site to read interesting stuff about my hobby. Whether it's true, partially true, lies or statistics is utterly irrelevant. I like reading it. And it's free. Basically, some people come to this site and read stuff as if their mother and father just told them what they are getting for Christmas. When they don't get what they want or what was "promised", a tantrum ensues. So in essences all this site probably needs is a warning saying it's for mature readers only....although that has other connotations....OK maybe a warning saying this site is not for people who are still getting a Christmas stocking and are prone to tantrums....Actually this is tricky......

      By the way Naftka, love the site, keep plugging away pal.

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    16. Sigh. Not this debate again.

      I could contribute something intelligent in defense of Natfka, but I'm so very tired of comments like this.

      Just read it for pleasure. It's a hobby, for Christ's sake.

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    17. Yes, Gunslinger is a weapon USR; it is applied to any model with two pistols.

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    18. I say
      Better no rumors than made up rumors!!!!

      I feel sry for those that are happy about every rumor no matter how much reliable the source is and how much salt is required. And that don´t see the diffrence between 10-50% reliable and an anonymus source!

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    19. @Warlord

      No need to feel sorry for us dude, because we are perfectly happy with whatever is put on this site other than comments complaining about what is put on this site.

      No rumours = nothing to read
      Made up rumours = don't have read or don't have to believe/care

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  4. I always enjoy when people somehow get offended that rumors don't turn out 100% true. As if it were the greatest insult imaginable for believing them. That's why they're called "rumors," folks.

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  5. Rumourmongering 101:

    To preserve the identities of leakers, information has to be withheld from some rumours.

    Not all sources are first-hand source, they heard it from a , ever heard of the phenomenon "broken telephone"?

    Rumours may have been accurate at some point of concept art, designing, playtesting, and/or preproduction process, but are not anymore.

    Different playtesting groups may be sent entirely different versions of the rules altogether.

    Not all playtested material is necessarily to be intended to be in the Codex, some of it may be FW-only stuff alongside.

    Not every leaker and source posts the very minute they lay their hairy paws on the hallowed tomes of playtesting rules, so rumours may come in chronologically wrong order.

    GW may intentionally include false information in some rulesets/concept art/etc. to catch potential leakers, this is even more likely after someone got fired due to a major leak (which the denialists still do not believe to have been The List).

    Also, this thread - as numerous others before it - are again in danger of degrading yet another flamefest of namecalling, despite requiring registration (though automated spammers have at least disappeared).

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  6. Ah, Nat, please keep up the good work, man. While I don't always consider some rumours to be particularly likely, (like half of the current Tau ones), it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the effort that you put into collecting, filtering and posting the information and the potential flak you leave yourself open to by doing so. See that 22 guy up there. Beh.

    I just enjoy pitting that I think I know about the Tau against the direction that GW might be taking them in. I can't do that so easily without your time and effort. Thank you.

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  7. Even with the mercurial nature of design, it is fairly certain that some things are made up by the 'rumor monger'. Plasma preds, AA Whirlwinds, Gunslinger units and such were all wishlisting and unlikely to have come from any real source.

    And for all that 'rumor tracking is complete garbage', it is interesting that some sources end up being much more accurate even though they predict quite some time out (Hastings and Harry, for example.)

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    1. Those squads might have been early concepts that were dropped. Redesigning the whirlwind kit for only one of the armies (4?) that could use it would be a waste. I'm sure forgeworld made a plasma-pred (they made a melta-pred at least) so that isn't so rediculous. And gunslinging space marines? Forgeworld obvious liked them because they ended up in the Horus heresy book. Maybe the source assumed they'd be DA if it came from a play tester? Who knows, but I don't think you could know what was 'wishlisting' until it's published...

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    2. And yet, some rumor mongers manage to figure that out and provide solid rumors month after month. Strange that... :)

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    3. "And yet, some rumor mongers manage to figure that out and provide solid rumors month after month. Strange that... :)"

      Note what they are generally posting about. Most of the time its not about rules, its about models they have seen. Rumors regarding rules over 2-3 months out have an extremely low chance of being 100% accurate, no matter which source you are talking about.

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    4. Fair enough Eben, I was just offering an alternate perspective!

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    5. I'd point out that AA Whirlwinds already exist in the Hyperios from FW and we will never see it in a codex while that is the case.

      As already stated elsewhere, Gunslinger applies to any models with two pistols so again, you'll never see it as a special rule in a codex.

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    6. Mauler I think you need to amend that statement. About half of the Imperial Guard tanks they have now are FW exclusive models and were before too.

      GW has in the past brought FW stuff into the mainline, for them to do it again isn't impossible.

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  8. Definitely glad you're here.

    For me, if I see a rumor that seems way out there, I like to debate it a little bit (or whine about the Tyranids getting screwed, of course), but being the intrawebs, people have a tendency to forget the civil nature and go straight to "Attack Mode."

    It's hard to give a critique without being a butt, and evidently, people are taking this game way more seriously than a bunch of plastic army men deserve.

    Don't get me wrong: I love this hobby, but I approach the rumors the same way I do when I hear a movie is coming out in a year or two that I want to see, and only the director and barest sketch of a plot have been tossed down. I'll listen to the rumors and say: "That sounds cool/stupid," but I won't waste a lot of airtime debating things that really CAN'T be known for several months.

    Until the codex is actually in someone's hands, it's just one opinion against another. Still, I'd much rather see something than nothing.

    Keep it up!

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  9. I love coming to your web to see the news and rumours, but I´ve always been realistic... rumours are only that, rumours, and not solid news.

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  10. Hey Natfka, Zion from Heresy Online.

    I've caught the wrong end of the times people decided to wear their bums like hats, and it can be incredibly frustrating.

    For those who don't know, there are a number of us who aren't the origin of the information we provide, but, much like a news site, gather it and present it for others to see it in one place (I like to refer to myself as a 'Rumour Scrounger' to help differentiate what I do and what the Mongers do, that and represent my digging through rumour threads, and so on to gather the information I find for others).

    We aren't any more sure of the accuracy than the rest of the people out there, so there usually isn't much of a filter on what we're giving you. This means that we inevitably post bad information from time to time, and often catch some backlash like we're the ones responsible for the information being wrong.

    And that's not fair to us. This has gotten better in some places, but others it's worse. Warseer has reached the point of "If it's not Harry, Hastings or Stickmonkey it's fake!" and Dakka is running a rumour monger tracker that is frankly making things worse. We've reached a point where the community is doing more to kill rumours than GW has ever managed to do.

    Frankly, it's gotten far too serious for something that a few of use realize isn't something worth betting on and just giving you an idea of what MIGHT be coming, or what the studio MIGHT be thinking about. The rest need to calm the hell down and realize that it's not THAT serious before we don't have ANY rumours.

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  11. @Zion: except the rumor tracker proves that not just Harry, Hastings and Stick are accurate. It, in fact, helps rumor mongers who tell the truth :)

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    1. It's also created a atmosphere of "don't trust anyone who isn't Harry/Hastings/Stick". I get it, they're accurate, but I've seen too many people gang up on others just because they aren't one of those three.

      Hell Faeit gets a lot of flack over what he posts despite the fact that he's only sharing what he gets or finds and isn't the one who is actually creating the information he gets.

      Rumour tracking overall has actually hurt us more than it's helped because of the people who take it as gospel and don't trust anyone who is wrong regardless of why (posting test rules that change, posting models that get released in a wave instead of main release, misunderstanding something they pass on, ect). I've seen more bile come out of the rumour tracking than I've seen any sort of benefit in "better" rumours. Instead I've seen LESS rumours and more vigorous attacking of people who aren't Harry/Hastings/Stick posting new information.

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    2. Copy/paste got you down? lol

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    3. It's more than that. When you collect rumours like Natfka, or I do, you spend a lot of time sifting through things, making sure you're not just reposting the same exact stuff from another source (as some people do reword existing rumours to say the same thing as others to try and catch some spotlight time) looking for information, seeing if it's actually new or not, trying to get rid of the wish listing stuff and generally trying to present the best information you can.

      And then people's knickers get twisted and they act like it's your fault the rumours aren't 100%. And it's not everyone, but those vocal few who think that everything needs to be super serious and that they need to be internet tough guys about it.

      So no, it's not "Copy/paste got me down" it's "Asshats got me down".

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    4. Sorry, can't hear you over your QQ.

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    5. 0/10. Not even mad, just disappointed.

      Seriously, where did you learn to troll?

      Just so I'm clear for those who actually read instead of trying to incite arguments:

      I'm not against keeping track of who produces viable rumours, I'm against the actions of the community that have come out of this. We're not making the rumours better, instead we're getting less of them. And it's something people (like Harley) don't seem to understand, tracking rumours should be a way to know what is more likely to be true, not an excuse to try and lynch people on the internet.

      I don't create rumours personally, I don't even have people dropping emails in my inbox with information like some people do, but it hurts me just as much as it hurts them. I -like- rumours. I like speculating on what may be to come, piecing it all together and trying to see if I can work out some of the puzzle on my own. And I like sharing that with others.

      But we lose that when people start blasting each other because they aren't Hastings(who is currently closing out the rumours he has, and then stepping out of the spotlight, likely because of stuff like this)/Harry/Stick. That's a lot of pressure as on three (soon to be two) people. And it's not fair to them, and it's not fair to the people who step forward (sometimes at risk to their own jobs) for us to be blasting them because we don't like what they tell us, or don't want to give them a chance because they're new.

      TL;DR: The internet's attitude sucks and it's killing the rumour mill better than GW ever could.

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  12. I think most people would still want to have some surprise in the codex and not know everything beforehand.
    Its kinda like christmas was when you were a kid, it isn't as fun to open a present if you already know whats inside.

    However the rumors are always exciting to read and they keep most of us anxiously waiting for a new codex/models, as a matter of fact i believe that Games Workshop actually allows some rumors to be released so people would buy like crazy on the advance order/release day.

    I also think that a little 'exaggeration' here and there won't hurt, but at the same time it would be best to also undermine some rumors so people will be surprised when its something completely different.

    And thats where the rumors will conflict, but you'll not know which are correct before the D-day. ;)

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  13. Natfka, you should start tracking idiot backlashers who dont understand the actual meaning of these threads. Then when they have their little tantrums we can say:
    'Oh thats just warlord22 he always gets upset' or
    'Dont worry about Ebon he is just sad he didnt get his plasma pred'
    I remember that a while ago people moaned because you ask them to take salt with rumors. Now when rumors are wrong you get flack. Please keep doing what you do Natfka and realise that you contribute and touch the lives of many people all over the world.

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    1. ^This. 100%. OK 110%.

      Naftka, Zion and the rest, we love you guys!

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    2. +1000 Keep'em coming Nafka! Great work and Blog BTW.

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  14. I'm sorry to be rude, but can we ban the morons? When I see people complaining over accuracy I just lose the will to live.

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    2. Glad to see we are keeping it civil... /facepalm

      And not so I'm picking on JRL, that goes for the 'idiot backlashers', 'asshats', 'internet tough guys' and other such comments.

      There are ways to disagree with people without calling them names.

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