My email has been full today, and here is another bit from a reader regarding Forgeworld. I do very little ordering from Forgeworld, so I have to rely upon readers. Are these clamshells new?


Earlier today I had posted up something that I thought had been new, but it seems that they were Forgeworld models. I removed the post to simply not confuse anyone on what is new and whats not. So I figured we would dig into another Forgeworld bit and see what flies.

I know there have been rumors from the past that have discussed Forgeworld models moving more mainstream, and being stocked at GW stores. What does this add to that? if anything? Would you like to see more Forgeworld models moving forward into more games at your local watering hole?


via Jason from the Faeit 212 inbox
I just got a large order of Forge World in and the majority of it is now in sealed clamshells, just like the GW kits.  So far the stuff I know of in them are Rhino Doors, Dreadnaught Arms, and Terminator upgrade kits.

my opinion this adds weight to the rumor that FW is looking to start stocking this stuff 

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  1. All of the 30k stuff I've ordered has been in this clamshell. Honestly it seems like they might just be doing it for smaller bits here and there, as the leman russ turrets I ordered did not come in a clamshell.

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    1. The smaller bits, like you've said, have been packaged this way since at least November from what I've seen. Walkers purchased at the same time still came in the plastic bag though.

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    2. All of my post heresy stuff minus the vehicles was in clamshells

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  2. its more secure then a jiffy bag, that is the only reason for the new packaging. FW has been using it since early last year more and more. alot of their stock at Gamesday 2011 was in these packs, and nearlly ALL their products were in these packs 2012 Gamesday. Its extra security on the model over a thin plastic bag is all

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    1. Packs better also and cuts down on shipping costs.

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  3. It is true. All the bolter sets and "small stuff" like that is in the clam schells. At least the 30k stuff I'ved brought.

    The marine bodys and the contemptor dread body were in the old plastic bags.

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  4. Pretty much all the recent kits from FW are packed that way, with very few exceptions.

    I doubt they will go mainstream, at least in GW shops, for following reasons:
    1. they are made of resin, which is toxic, unlike everything GW does.
    2. they do not position themselves as toys, as GW does, but as reduced scale models, which is again rated differently.
    3. their models should not be drilled, sandpapered or sawed in closed areas, only in ventilated areas. So no GW-like hobby center will work with them.

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    1. Straight from the forgeworld "Working with Resin Models" document:
      The resin that we use has no inherent health risks, but we do recommend
      a dust mask if you are filing or sanding – as with any fine substance, resin
      dust can be an irritant.

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    2. Indeed, the problem is the fine particulate dust generated. This can be carcinogenic in a similar manner to asbestos.

      With regards the clamshells. Just easier to store and rack up on show shelving and racks.

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    3. Well like the quote from Jim above says, just about every dust is hazardous to some degree (I couldn't find any research on resin dust toxicity specifically, but that doesn't mean there aren't any). I don't see how that would stop them from selling in other stores though. They sell spray primer in GW, they just tell people to go outside to use it.

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    4. The whole "They are made of toxic resin" arguement goes right out the door once you remember that "Finecast" is also resin and you need to take the vary same precautions with them.

      Also the Packaging has a clear 15+ inset on the front, which probably means that they recommend age 15 and higher to purchase the item...

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  5. Everything I bought from Games Day Chicago were in these cases.

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  6. I too, like many of the others have gotten stuff in the clamshell packs as well. Having not done many FW orders I assumed this was just par for the course on things though.

    As for the comment regarding the resin being toxic,FW has claimed that the resin is very safe to work with and honestly I haven't run into any issues with it. I wouldn't inhale the dust from filing it, but I wouldn't inhale plastic dust either. Neither of those would be good for your lungs.

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  7. No not new 100% of Forgeworld stuff I bought at GenCon Last year was in these cases.

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  8. Get your facts straight, please, before spreading unsubstantiated fears. Phenol resins (which would be toxic when aerosolized, such as when using machine tools which not only grind but partially melt and vaporize the resin) have not been used in consumer products for decades, the resin FW uses is in no way toxic.

    Nor is it carcinogenic. Resin dust, when inhaled in _industrial scale all working day for decades_ (filing and sanding a model kit every now and then does _not_ count) does contribute to lung cancer and other respiratory illnesses, but resin is not carcinogenic as such, it's the microparticles (of any material) that are the cause. Microparticles exist in sawdust too, is wood now OMG LETHALLY TOXIC? Matter of fact, those microparticles are created in substantial numbers only if you use Dremel or other machinery, even sandpapering creates only negligible amounts. And even then you would have to breathe those in. A walk in the city centre causes you to ingest much more microparticles.

    tl;dr: resin dust is harmful only if you regularly grind your models to dust and sniff it into your nose pretending it's cocaine and/or use the said method to clean your workspace.

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    1. Well said. Last thing we need is panic and product withdrawals until the Gov 'Scientists' do some tests...

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    2. I don't think it'd go that far, it'd say it's on the same level as almond abuse cyanide poisonings!

      Also, any forgeworld warnings are purely for legal purposes (ie you can't sue them if you do something stupid!) like when you buy some sort of meat product and it tells you it's not suitable for vegetarians :P

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    3. I partially agree with you. Although we shouldn't go around comparing resin dust to asbestos (which is a different thing entirely), we also can't say that there isn't any risk. Almost every hobbyist out there should have no problem at all, but repeated small doses is often the problem for things like this. So if you are sanding, or dremeling things (resin, wood, etc) it wouldn't hurt to work in a well ventilated area and wear a dust mask. But even if you don't, you will most likely be perfectly fine.

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    4. Don't be such a baby, you do realize that "toxic" for you and me and "toxic" for overreactive british government are 2 absolutely different things, don't you? The only reason why GW makes their stupid finecast instead of using resing like FW is to make it less toxic, so stupid children could survive natural selection and breed on their own. I bet you could do yourself a milkshake purely with finecast and survive, while you should not with FW resin.

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  9. They sell some of the FW stuff in the Warhammer World store, and these are in the clamshells or larger packaging depending on what you're buying. I wouldn't read much into it.

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  10. i dont know either way regarding the toxic nature of forgworld resin, but i love snowtroopers' reply it made me giggle. i can just picture someone grinding up an ultramarine to snort

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  11. They have been doing this for some time, but the claim is still that their manufacturing process doesn't support the volume required to stock the GW stores. I believe it, as that would require a lot more stockpiling before they could begin distributing to the shops. With the sheer volume of new SKU codes they are pumping out, I can't imagine them keeping up without a major increase in production capacity.

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  12. This FW clam-shell thing has been going on for more than a year. No way that FW's little shop can bump production enough to put inventory on GW store shelves.

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  13. FW is a subsidary of GW, they are both located in the same buildings. It uses the same packaging methodology as GW for cost economics and the inherent bonuses of what clam packs give - protecting the somewhat delicate small resin model parts within.

    Simple.

    As for mainstream I doubt it, GW may stock some items just as it stocks a few Black Library products and advertises FW in the White Dwarf.

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  14. uh... FW has been in packaged in blisters for a rather long time...

    The bigger stuff still come in bags though...

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  15. It would be nice if they would open a Forgeworld distribution center in the US. There is no GW store close to me anyway.

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  16. Just to add to this forgeworld are looking for a game designer....

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  17. No not happening, Fw have been using the clam pack nearly a year now. Also there is a big move away from Fw associated with gw in there own stores. As all the UK branches barring warhammerworld not even stocking the books anymore, or allowing none undercoated Fw minis in store.
    Have even been told can't play 30k in store either.

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    1. I think the no 30k thing in store is dependant on the store. When a store has a few tables they limit games to the 3 core games (Such as Edinburgh, Scotland). If it has more (Aberdeen, Scotland has about 12+3) then they are not as strict. The store is on 2 floors, the main store which has 2-3 Game tables, Painting desk and all the stock on shelves is limited to 40K, Warhammer and Hobbit. Upstairs in the Battle Bunker (12 tables maybe more) you can pretty much play what you want, though they prefer if non-core games are only played on veteran nights (Thursday 'till 10 or 11)

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  18. Forgeworld more than likely made this shift in packaging because:
    -) Easier inventory control.
    (Every thing can be easily counted in boxes.)
    -) Lower cost in shipping dept
    (Can use industry standard pick racks to prepare orders)
    -) Lower number of returns.
    (Less chance of damage in shipping)
    (Less chance of water intrusion)
    -) Less fraud.
    (If the pack is open is now clearly visible.)
    -) Easier shipping from the supplier. (china)
    -) Less man power needed in supplier chain.
    (Rising labor cost in china)
    -) Easier to shift to lower wage countries.
    (North Vietnam)
    -) To annoy blog sites.
    (LoL factor)

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  19. pretty sure forgeworld stuff isn't made in china

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  20. The GW direct order only minatures also come in clamshells and they are never on shelves in store.

    I think it is convenient packaging if you happen to buy in bulk and have stuff stored in boxes in a warehouse. Like GW and Forgeworld both do.

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