One of the big mysteries right now, is who is the author of the books? Well I wish I had a more definitive answer, but I received this email in the Faeit 212 inbox this evening.

His conclusions after reading his White Dwarf..... 
Chaos Daemons (40k)- Phil Kelly 
Daemons of Chaos (Fantasy)- Matt Ward

Here is his email, and hopefully we get something a little more concrete in the next day or so.

via the Faeit 212 inbox
I saw some people in the responses wondering about authors.  I have the White Dwarf in front of me and Phil Kelly is mentioned as the designer of the Codex, and it isn’t explicitly stated but it seems like Mat Ward is the author of the Fantasy Army Book(there is a section in the back talking about a map that’s included, and that Mat took “a lot of inspiration from Liber Malefic.”

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  1. Your spiritual liege looks forward to your delicious tears.

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  2. Phil Kelly, is this the guy that we wanted to write it? I'm not familiar with the good authors and the bad ones. i know there is one guy that everyone wants to write their codex, and one that everyone rolls their eyes to.
    I hope Phil Kelly is the good one.

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    1. He is, if you want good fluff and a decently balanced, middle of the road army that has a lot of options, and requires skill to truly rape-train with. If you want the opposite, hope for the other guy

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    2. Phil Kelly wrote Dark Eldar, Imperial Guard and another one - both armies I run. He doesn't write over powered codexes but balanced, fluffy ones that - crucially - stand up to time.

      So in five years when Daemons get another book, the variety and scope of what we can run now and how it interlocks will be just as fantastic.

      But someone, somewhere will scream 'overpowered!' simply because they refuse to adapt to change.

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    3. Except Phil Kelly wrote Eldar, which required no thought to auto-win with in late 4th edition when it hit. A Harlequins squad could literally run through entire armies.

      Phil Kelly also wrote Space Wolves, which, until Grey Knights hit, was accounting for more than 42% of all tournament armies. Why? Long Fangs + the best troops choice in the game made for point-and-click wins without much thought.

      I think people are caught up in Phil Kelly's past and not his more recent work. Dark Eldar is good and balanced.

      As for Mr. Ward, his only "crime" was the Grey Knights fluff. They weren't even really overpowered (as tournament results didn't have them dominating top 8's), they were just easy for casual players to pick up and win with.

      No one considered Necrons OP, or really even competitive upon initial release. It wasn't until 6th edition rules made the Night Scythe absurd that anyone started blaming Ward. Since then, people have figured out how to play against them, and the recent FAQ toned down flyers just enough to take the edge off.

      The only thing Ward ever did "wrong" from a balance perspective was 7th WHFB Demons. Holy crap they were better than everyone at everything. The last major tournament before rolling into 8th saw 7 of the top 8 players fielding the denizens of the Warp. The 8th edition rules immediately brought them back down, however, and really Ward isn't creating problems in either system.

      His fluff may be ridiculous, but his rules are fine.

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    4. Imperial Guard was written by Cruddace.
      But Kelly wrote Space Wolves, which remains OP even now.

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    5. Totally agree. Local meta has a great deal to do with people claiming overpowered. For example, if your meta uses a lot of low-armor vehicles, Grey Knights are pretty awesome with their low-cost access to psybolt ammo and psycannons. However, if your meta relies heavily on Land Raiders and Russ tanks, their mid-strength weapons are far less effective. But, for these metas, DEldar become kings.

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    6. I'd rather have Kelly write my book than anyone else.

      His track record to my memory is..
      3rd Ed. Eldar - Strong when they first came out, but other armies caught on quick.
      4th Ed. Orks - Fairly balanced book, some questionable stuff here and there, but tame.
      7th Ed. Warriors of Chaos - Balanced book that got better in 8th.
      5th Ed. Space Wolves - His most "powerful" book.
      5th Ed. Dark Eldar - Good balanced book.
      8th Ed. Vampire Counts - Good balanced book.
      6th Ed. Chaos Space Marines - Good balanced book.

      Ward wrote:
      7th Ed. Daemons of Chaos - The most ridiculous, overpowered book ever created in the 12 or so years I've been playing.
      5th Ed. Space Marines - The only tame book.
      5th Ed. Blood Angels - Nice balanced book, his best work imo.
      5th Ed. Grey Knights - Over the top. Just no reason why they're this strong. It almost invalidates other MEQ.
      5-6th Ed. Necrons - Even more over the top. Frankly, I blame the flyer rules; they're crap. The book itself is actually very nice.

      Not to mention Ward's fluff is abysmal while Kelly's is consistently awesome.

      The point is, Kelly writes consistently better fluff, with consistently balanced power. He's a better designer, period. I'd rather have a guy with a track record of being consistent than someone who writes power books.

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    7. Shame fantasy book gets ward , his fantasy fluff feels like it's written for a ten year old

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    8. Kinda confused how people thought long fangs were over powered? Sanguine guard would give em a run fir their money.

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    9. Phil Kelly did not write the Imperial Guard Codex, Cruddace did.

      I believe that the next Ward codex won't be as over-powered because of the 6th rules.

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    10. If what hero writes is true that Phil Kelly wrote the 3rd Ed Eldar codex I hope he won't go anywhere near the next upcomming Eldar codex. Making the Avatar a minor Deamon and reducing the range of their catapults to uselessness.
      The Avatar should be beating the crap out of greater deamons such as Bloodthirsters and GUO's, in CC.

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    11. @redrascal Because sanguinary guard are 5 guys at around 250 points that JUST have powerweapons, and Long fangs are 5 guys with 4 missile launchers at 115 that can shoot at 2 targets. They dont "compete" with any other book entry on the HS slot, opposite to the sanguinary guard who compete with sanguinary priests, terminators, dreadnoughts and chaplains. Nobody buys sanguinary guard, and most SW players bring 15 Long Fangs.

      Long fangs play a role that SW need (Long range firepower) and the guard is just ANOTHER unit to do something that BA are already good at, wich is, killing MEQs

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  3. I thought they weren't supposed to do the same book twice in a row...

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  4. Someone's already leaked a picture confirming Ward did 40k.

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    1. Oh really? I would very much like to see this picture.

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    2. Me three.

      /been waiting for years to do a me three joke.

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    4. I'm pretty certain it is Phil Kelly mate. Ward is doing Fantasy from what I can gather.

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    5. http://images.4chan.org/tg/src/1361408923113.jpg

      It is official....Matt...Ward...is the author of Codex: Chaos Daemons. All hope is lost! Beware my Daemonic brethren...we failed our Ward Save! *tableflip*

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    6. Huh, I'm happy to be proven wrong but that's....surprising. We'll know soon enough I guess.

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    7. Qui-Gon, that is not correct. That image is not showing enough to confirm it. I have the confirmations now.

      Phil Kelly is Chaos Daemons
      Matt Ward is Daemons of Chaos

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    8. That's mostly due to lighting though Naftka, however I did check my Dark Angels White Dwarf and there are a few discrepancies, but not enough to convince me it might not be real. However, I have seen in many other places that it is in fact Kelly, which I would prefer anyway.

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    9. Saw your update :) 'Tis indeed Kelly! All hail Kelly!

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  5. I pray to the four Matt Ward wrote the DoC book, i still want my army to be competitive. No i'm not looking to crush other players armies i just want to be able to compete say against Ogre Kingdoms which is a really powerful 8th edition book as well as VC.

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    1. just be straight, you want to crush butts. wishing for ward is like wishing for a thousand foot million ton gold cock.

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    2. That's the best line I've read here in a long time! I too wish for a thousand foot million ton gold cock.

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    3. I didn't know it was possible to smell bullshit through a computer...

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  6. Hmmmm. I'm pretty indifferent as to who writes the books. I had favorites back in the 90s- Jervis Johnson and Andy Chambers.

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  7. Well I play beastmen. Phil wrote their army book, or at least finished it off. Needless to say it has some issues (I've gotten over that), but I still like them. If this is true and the 40k daemons are his, I sure hope they are not quite so neutered as beastmen were/are in WHFB. I can stand a few point increases, random effects and what not, but I don't really like having totally useless units. I have a really high tolerance by the way for that stuff, I believe in creative (risky) thinking. But I want at least one army I own to be competitive without wearing power armor.

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    1. He's written Space Wolves and Eldar, two codices which were overwhelmingly dominant when they came out. His track record is a bit hit and miss but usually consistent lately.

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    2. That is true, we still have much to see. I am hopefull, honestly how bad could it be?

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    1. Well I remain an optimist. I would rather be the owner of a random, almost useless, squishy and all around subpar/difficult army than one given the almighty blessings often attributed to Mr. Ward. I don't have anything against either man really (Mr's Kelly and Ward), but I definitely prefer to play an army towards which nobody screams "cheese!". I hated it when people called cheese on my daemons when I started playing (my first army). At the time I had no idea what they meant. I thought they meant bad because I always lost 30% of my list to mishaps, another 20-40% to rapid fire I could not outrun (12 inch scatter). I had to win my games with about 30-50% of my actual points. Pulled it off sometimes but IG mechs were tough, and cornered Eldar were tougher. I could handle space marines well enough (2x squads of 15 bloodletters in 5th edition!). Still people called cheese on me!

      So when you say "Welcome to the world of Chaos Space Marines..." I say bring it on! Maybe people will stop complaining about cheese when I lose 80% of my points to mishaps!

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  9. Cept for csm, that was kelly, and tbh really bad. Either spam the power units or struggle to use it. Phil kelly swings between brilliant (de, older tyranid dex, most recent vampire counts book) and bad, (csm, beastmen) mat ward is at least consistent. Plus I heard the reason gk were OTT, was because they were the only book not sent through external playtesting by gw.

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  10. 2 guys in a dark room playing Fantasy, while the stereo plays "The End" of The Doors

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    1. It's not, but with mad Ward doing the Deamons codex... emperor bless'em

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    2. Ehy, Ward did a great work with the last daemon army book... on the fluff perspective.
      Rule wise I'm not in the position to judge but I'm told they were just terribly OP.

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  11. I have a couple of army books (deamons included) by him and his background fluff is just boring . Reading the background for unit entries is supposed to inspire.

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  12. Well I won't be picking up deamons of chaos book if hes involved. Background fluff for units is supposed to inspire, wards is just boring.

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