There are a lot of people unsure of how to really handle Death From the Skies. Really?, its not that difficult as Mike Brandt displays for the Nova Open this year.

Earlier today I posted up the response from some independent retailers, and while I sympathize with them, I do hope they look to what Mike has said below. We are a hobby and a world wide community, so rather than banning or limiting the usage of published material, just allow the rules used within. I understand that need for bringing your codex and related faqs to the tournament, but a print out of whatever else you need should be fine.

Please visit his blog Whiskey and 40k to get more information and join the comments. Here is what was said specifically about Death From the Skies

via Mike Brandt at Whiskey & 40k
How to Handle a $30 Direct-Only "Errata" as a TO
So, Games Workshop released its Death from the Skies booklet, changing rules for several common and popular fliers in the game of 40k, adding them to codices, and only selling it direct order ... plus, selling it.

It's like an errata you have to pay $30 for.

The NOVA will be handling this by incorporating the new rules changes into the NOVA FAQ. You will not need to own a copy of Death from the Skies or an IPAD in order to use the new rules. Because that would just be terribly inconsiderate toward a customer base.

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  1. Isn't that kinda like handing out rules for free...?

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    1. Yeah it is.

      But realistically there's nothing stopping the TO's from saying the Tournament uses "special" rules that happen to be the same as those present than what is in DftS.

      While morally this may be questionable, as a frequent tourney attender, I really hope that my local scene adopts this as it just means one less book for me to carry around :S

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    2. Yes, but considering that in order to use an Ork flyer, I now need to spend an additional $33 for ONE page in a book, I'm not going to buy it at all. Whereas this would eliminate that extra cost so I might still consider it.

      Still feels like they're selling FAQs to me.

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    3. @Da Masta Cheef: But that's not how it is at all. It's more like paying $30 to play with the updated Ork Flyer rules, knowing the updated flyer rules for each of your opponents throughout the tournament, playing with flyers in an alternate way in later games, learning new ways to paint and/or convert them, etc.

      This is basically a Chapter Approved for flyers, and people had no trouble paying for those "erratas" back in the day.

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    4. We aren't going to put even the actual rules in. And NOVA FAQ is a free pdf. We simply print copies for attendees as well. There'll be no copyright infringement by NOVA, or anything close. We'll simply structure the FAQ in a way that enables attendees to use the updated rules without arguments or people demanding they bring an ipad or additional booklet along with. There are many ways to do for a tournament OTHER than trying to sneakily copy rules.

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    5. This is what we mean by the fan community (primarily those members in Britain) taking GW's copyright maximalist claims as actual truth (which they're not).

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  2. Its like handing out errata for free, you know.. like it should be.

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  3. Seems like a good solution to me.

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  4. not sure if that is all that classy, it seems to just be a nicer way of throwing fuel on the fire.

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    1. Its already burning out of control, so what does it matter?

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  5. Bravo NOVA. This, along with a great looking event is tempting me to drive out there for a fun weekend of gaming.

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  6. Heheh classy. Tbh the more GW want to punt out inflated cost books that barely need printing, the more I'm going to go looking for downloadable PDFs of their content.

    This is the kinda stuff that should be in a White Dwarf, it might actually make my buy it, or even look at it. Currently it's a waste of paper. You get far better articles written by bloggers. And they're free!! Free I tells yeh!

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    1. The issue with WD is not everyone getting a copy.

      In anycase it should have been a free FAQ

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    2. Its Not an Errata!
      Its a Expansion / campain Book.
      Just like FW Books it has changed rules for knowen Units. Its Not an Offizial rule change. The Same Way Apoc-Book didnt change the rules of BRB.

      This is a pure Play a Air campain with Friends Book.

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    3. The wording is that it contains updated rules for 40k just as an errata, wd update or codex does. In GW terms, that means official.

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    4. @Warlord22 - given that the FAQ documents say to go to this book for the stormtalon/stormraven and that the SM e-book is updated with the info, I'd say that the unit parts of it are certainly errata. Some of the extra stuff like the things they took from Crusade of Fire, not so much.

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    5. Yeah sons of taurus is right, this is the official rules for these flyers. We know the price change for the Storm Talon because of the eBook, but its entirely possible that the other flyers got points changes etc that we dont know yet.

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    6. It feels almost like something in between Errata, FAQ, and Expansion though. It has barely any new content (I think there are new flyer based missions), but it's mostly a collection of previously published rules. I'm also pretty sure that the previous SM FAQ used to point you to the WD for the Stormtalon rules and didn't provide it for free.

      From looking through the FAQs it really seems that the only things that have been invalidated are the rules from the previous WD. I own the GK book and my understanding is that in order to play the Stormraven now I only need the FAQ, not the DftS book.

      I really think what most people are not happy about is the limited access to it (ie, that it's direct and you can't see it before you purchase it). The only people who are in a position that they really seem to have to buy it are BT players and SM players who don't own the digital codex.

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  7. Who else can see the GW lawyers jumping on this? They have been some busy folks recently, wouldn't be surprised if we saw another attempt to cull the masses into submission with the threat of lawsuits.

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    1. Legally it would be a difficult route to go down. As it has been mentioned before, tournament organisers are not bound by any rules for their events, they create a rule pack which you are then free to download. That has happened for a long time without GW coming down on them, so it sets precedent.

      Just because NOVA wants to include its own flyer rules (that mirror DFTS), GW would find it difficult to argue they can't use the rules in their tournament psck as is, given that they let them use the main rules.

      This is not throne of skulls that they directly run, it's an independent tournie

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    2. The argument goes like this:

      You sell tickets?

      Yes...

      You have a set of rules that are a copy of one of our books?

      Yes...

      So you admit you make profit from distributing a copy of our work. That break copyright law. People might also get a hold of these rules packs and think they are actually our work but it is an inferior copy. That harms our Trademark. Here is our lawsuit. You must cease and desist and can not hold your contest with our rules. Also you have to pay damages, court costs...and buy our coffee.

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    3. Doesn't work like that at all. Incorporating it as part of a general FAQ means it would not in fact be a copy of their works (the majority of DftS is not the new rules), and presentation as such would also mean no reasonable person would mistake their tournament FAQ for a copy of DftS. They may well issue a C&D, but it would be a colossal uphill struggle to win in court.

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    4. Wiki:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

      Who may adapt the work to other forms
      Who may financially benefit from the work

      So they pay for a ticket?
      Strike one

      and get this partial copy?
      strike two

      Just for the technical nit-pick

      most [Jurisdictions] recognize copyright in any completed work, without formal registration

      Strike three...no NOVA Open.

      I am sure the GW lawyers are making an argument as we speak and will be issuing C&D orders *if* they deem it appropriate.

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    5. Yeah adding the content of the book as part of your FAQs is a copyright violation.

      I honestly also think it is shady. They are saying "We views this product as a $30 errata", they are saying "we don't like this product", and they say "We will give you the content you need for free".
      If that is not copyright infringement, I don't know what is.

      If NOVA get a C&D and still go ahead with this, and then earn money from it, GW has a pretty decent case going for them.
      I don't like it when big companies flex lawyer muscles but in this case I am on GWs side.

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    6. Sorry guys, copyright is a shitload more complicated than that. Listing information is NOT copyrightable, the prose itself is copyright. Same way you can't copyright the ingredient list for a recipe, you can't copyright a points list for flyers. The only potential issue would be with reprinting a special rule in its entirety.

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    7. *the prose itself is subject to copyright

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    8. It's almost amusing that right after the backlash over 'Spot, The Space Marine', here comes NOVA with a very clear cut, as it is described in the article, copyright infringement case where GW simply isn't in the wrong if they go for them.

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    9. To all of the above, we aren't going to violate or come close to violating copyright. Not trying to stick it to the man here. Just trying to let attendees know they don't need to buy death or own an iPad to use the updated codices. Withhold copyright violation claims for when we actually update our FAQ.

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    10. @Ian, I think you can do something when the ones distirbuting your information clearly is doing it to deny you sales. Which is what NOVA is doing, they are stating that they disagree with the product and intend to mitigate sales for GW using information found inside the product they are trying to "stop sales of"

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    11. That isn't how copyright law works, unless they distribute some artistic work of Games Workshop's, be it text of a book, images owned by GW, etc, there is nothing you can do.

      In fact, one could write an entire alternate codex, and while I would recommend not using any GW trademarked terms in it, as long as you rewrote the text of rules, you could create an identical book in terms of points values and you wouldn't be infringing anything. For more info, check out Scrabble and its attempts to shut down clones that have all ended in failure. You can't copyright game mechanics or point values, you can only copyright artistic works: prose, performance, musical arrangement, etc.

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    12. So Mike, what if I don't wanna have to buy codex: space marines and still play? can you put the entire codex: space marines in your event rules listing?

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    13. If GW released a "Space Marines Fluff and Narrative Novella" which included 1 page of new rules for Tactical Marines, put that nowhere else, and required you to have an IPAD or something in order to participate in tournaments w/ the one page of rules, I might consider making it so that you do not have to own "Space Marines Fluff and Narrative Novella" in order to play in my tournament.

      I would still require you to have a copy of the primary rules document for creating Space Marines.

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  8. With all due respect..
    Oh forget what i'm saying
    Simple and elegant solution. Respect !

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  9. Of course it will be a copyright violation, and we know how GW reacts to those.

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    1. Well, since you can't copyright game mechanics (you could perhaps patent them) it really isn't unless they steal the actual rule text from the booklet. (IANAL but know how to use google)

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  10. Copyright is a fraud. I hope the PDF of this is leaked far and wide.

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    1. Well that's a bit strong. Saying an author doesn't own their works is pretty ridiculous.

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  11. The compendium does Not work like an Errata. Its Not a change of rules its a Collection of Existing.

    You cant allow the Minor changes to rules, becaus then you would also have to allow 2 foc and Allys and fortifications. You cant Cut away from BRB and Add Parts from a "campain" Book.

    Not every Body can get the compendium. Let alone becaus its Not Publisher in all languages.

    The Default Thing is to Not allow its use. No loseing of Scout deepstrike Ect. No Gunship for BT & Vanila!

    Besides its a Addition to the Game Not a permenant rule change. You dont Look at Apoc Book and say erhard have to allow Titans and strategic assets. Its a Expansion Not a Errata!
    If youre allowing it on a tournament youre asking for Arguments.

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    1. Compendium is not an expansion though, and the official FAQs for the codices and BRB point directly to this compendium.

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    2. Yup. The FAQs have changed the basic rules in the Codex. The compendium is not needed as the FAQs state the changes.

      OK some of them State that the new rules are in the Copendium...circular arguments abound.

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    3. Yeah, the "official" FAQs are the newest ones and they direct you to the compendium now.

      So unless you saved an older FAQ (which is not official), and you decide NOT to play with Death from the Skies you don't have flyers, you have Fast Skimmers :P

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  12. The problem is that the BRB FAQ refers to this missionbook,and thereby advertising it as something you need to actually play the game you have already payed for.
    Forcing your customers to pay an additional price for your own mistakes is not a good marketing strategy GW.
    I will never buy this book, and I will recommend everyone else not to do it either. I'd rather throw my money down a wishing well and create my own rules of how to play with my toy soldiers.

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  13. I've bought this book and I'm rather looking forward to it. I encourage all my friends to decide on their own if they want to buy it or not- I will not let personal preferences get in the way if their fun.

    It is silly to think that the tournament will get busted for copywriter infringement. They have already said they know what they are doing (and they seem like they would know what they are talking about), unlike 95% of the posters here.

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  14. I think the really interesting bit is this.

    Every one complains about White Dwarf not being filled with rules.

    GW publish rules in WD

    Everyone complains that you need White Dwarf for the rules. GW should publish the rules in a format anyone can get.

    GW publish the rules in a book anyone can buy.

    Every one complains that you need to buy a book to play the rules.

    What? you think that a company should just work for nothing and give out rules and models for the good of the people? Frankly I work for money. I dont work for free.

    Welcome to The United States of Communist America...

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    1. This pretty much sums it up. Nicely put!

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    2. "What? you think that a company should just work for nothing and give out rules and models for the good of the people? Frankly I work for money. I dont work for free.

      Welcome to The United States of Communist America..."

      Sorry but this is ridiculous and you know it or you wouldn't have included that insulting bit at the end. This isn't a new product, this is changes to existing rules for a product people bought from Games Workshop. To use any of the rules, we have to buy physical products from GW. The fact that they have decided to sell updated rules that are official and override the old ones is at best a pain because now you have to carry around a book that contains 1-2 unit entries for your army, and at worst a sign that GW will force people to buy rules updates to keep playing their armies, even when they've already paid for the white dwarf.

      The only saving grace of all of this is the fact that the iBook was updated with the new rules. At least for now, we can presume if you pay for that you will always have the up to date rules. Cold comfort for people with android tablets, but it is what it is.

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    3. Oh and just so we're clear, the reason the communist line is insulting is because it uses communist as a pejorative and implies that communism is all about people wanting free things, when in reality its a system of egalitarianism, everyone benefits and everyone works. But hey, why think something through when its easier to be crass.

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    4. Not upset that they release a book with rules in it. That is what they should do, with new rules. This is an FAQ with the Crusade of Fire additional flyer rules thrown in. There were no rules in there for new flyers just updated versions of the ones already in existing books or WD. The CSM FAQ is an example of the way a company should release minor alterations. They didn't release another book to tell you the helbrute was dropped in points.

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    5. Well, to be fair the Helbrute was a typo, similar to the GK Storm Raven in Death from the Skies being in Heavy Support.

      If this teaches me anything, its that I was right to switch over to the iBooks version of these books lol. I get the rules update for free when everybody else has to pay for it :P

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  15. Did they do this while the rules were still available in White Dwarf?
    If I want to play Sisters of Battle will they provide me with the WD rules?

    I am getting a bit sick of the whiners.
    Yeah it is a sucky product for some, but for others it is the soul access to the rules they needed.
    For Orks and Space Marines this is the ONLY place to get the rules officially now. WDs go out of print, and this is honestly a better way of publishing rules than through WD booklets.

    I assume NOVA provide the Deamons updates as well then?

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    1. Can't you see the problem is precisely what you say?

      "For Orks and Space Marines this is the ONLY place to get the rules officially now."

      That's why sucks, because you had a CODEX that included EVERY rules you needed to play with your army: every change, great or minor to this codex should be DLC from their web. If you want to include it in a WD, ok, but after a week, it should go to the errata section, and be free. In fact, WD SHOULDN't be in need of this rules to be sold, in fact, it doesn't.

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    2. "That's why sucks, because you had a CODEX that included EVERY rules you needed to play with your army: every change, great or minor to this codex should be DLC from their web"

      Why?

      seriously.. why? you can argue that we should be able to get all our rules in one or two purchases all you like but honestly the vast majorty of table top games don't operate like this. in addition to warhammer 40k, I also play a whole host of RPGs as well as battletech. RPGs obviously do NOT have all their rules in one core book. they expand on them with new rule books, and generally speaking that new material gets used. Likewise in Battletech just about every new sourcebook (and they publish a lot more of those then GW does. the game is very "fluff" driven) has rules for multiple new units. the fact is rules additions etc are a good way to make money for the company. as well as expand the game, offering new options that expand the game, breaking away from stagnation.

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  16. GW C&D order incoming in 3..2..1

    Seriously though, yeah we all know what happens to people who distribute rules in this way.

    Not that I don't agree with them. I only see DFTS as a new unfair way to milk more money from customers also and if they can do this, what else will they think they can get away with in the future? No more free erratas? Would not surprise me...

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    1. In most jurisdictions, yes. So they can look forwards to C&D letters at best, and a lawsuit at worst...

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    2. Scroll down just a little to see what we're doing more clearly. We will not be violating copyright or doing anything illegal.

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    3. Nope, numbers can't be copyrighted, they would have to lift prose in a context that isn't qualified as fair use to be violating any sort of law.

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    4. While what Ian says is true, we're not planning to push the envelope even a little.

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  18. On another topic
    GW has been inflating prices alot like the PC and IT industry in Australia. Apple, IBM, Microsoft and a few other heavy hitters in the IT industry have been summonsed to reveal why the prices down here are so much more than the rest of the world. I think that there are a few other companies that should answer this as well. i.e GW

    Sorry for the slight hijack but the Death From The Skies booklet in Australia at the inflated price of $48.
    Flight of the Valkyries $358
    Stormraven Domination Force $246
    Burning Skies $162
    Caliban's Wrath $162
    Skyhammer Squadron $228
    Razorwing Murder Squadron $207
    Da Fly Boyz $228
    Necron Annihilation Wing $152

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  19. We're not going to violate ethics or copyright in the process. We'll clarify how a couple models should be handled in gsmeplay at the NOVA, in a way that doesn't require people to bring death from the skies. There won't be any republishing of copyrighted materials.

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    1. To me, that's not how the article reads. Having said that, if there are changes to the stats and/or points, will you be publishing that?

      That might be a grey area, but there's a very good reason why many forums don't let you post those...

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    2. No, we will not. We will also not be publishing online. Right now there isn't even anything in NOVA FAQ about this. Long and short, we won't do anything illegal here. It'll just be to prevent confusion in a way that does not require asking attendees to bring death from the skies in order to participate (and there's nothing wrong with letting players attend without it). What we will not be doing is copyright violation, or providing the community with free or paid copies of GW rules. Not sticking it to the man here ... Simply avoiding "sticking it to attendees."

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  20. Just to ad my fuel to the fire. I have no problem with republishing rules which were at one time available by other means into another compiled source document where I can find those rules in a single easy to manage new book. Reminds me of the old school chapter approved book that came out a zillion years ago. Wish they did more WD rules-ing, and came out with an annual Chapter Approved book to contain those rules. I would buy the WD's more often, and then again, purchase that chapter approved just for the convenience.
    That is all.

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    1. But you could know EXACTLY the contents of the book. They even didn't tell you what they are suposed to sell you. No content explanation, and of course mail only so you discover the contents after paying.

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    2. if you read the description carefully it's pretty obvious whats in the book. it's likely a reprint of the three way battle between orcs necrons and space marines first described in the same white dwarf the storm talon and orc jets where featured in (quite likely a reprint of the article) a reprint of the flier rules found in white dwarf as well as updates for most of the current crop of fliers. lastly we'll see the flier rules published in campoaign of fire. over all GW's reasonably clear as to what we can expect.

      seriously until GW starts publishing previews of the table of contents in their books (which BTW would be a great idea) this is about as good as we can expect

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  21. Remember Natfka posted awhile ago a rumor where they were upset about the rules in WD and were going to stop it? This may be the reason why, so they can print books like DftS for a price, but of course, people will still find a way to complain about anything.

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    1. Well, just as a counter point, when I pay for White Dwarf, I'm buying the rules that come in it.

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    2. No doubt, it makes sense for a monthly mag like WD to post Q&As and updates or n.ew rules for models. I have the mags with these rules for the fliers. and others. Why they don't just embrace it seems to be idiotic and closed fist to its customers. Whatever their reason behind it, it's theirs and will do what they want when they want.

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    3. And AFTER being published in WD, next stage is PUBLISHING FOR FREE in your web. This way you keep your customer satisfied... anyway it is suposed to be a MODELS COMPANY... now they make mopney by doing rules wrong on first place and then updating? Perhaps they could do better models and wouldn't need this stupid tricks to milk people

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    4. they're not a models company Rickyard. they're a gaming company. yes they get a large deal of their income from model sales, but they also produce other things. besides I bet they don't turn much of a profit on this thing. it's 10 bucks less then a codex

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  22. I have no interest in buying a FAQ...
    I will play the rules as written in the current codecies and FAQ unless provided changes for free...
    I don't know anyone who has bought a copy.

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  23. The only way to honestly be classy would be (and this would suck seeing as this is one of the drives of sixth) if you are playing one of the armies that this supplements, don't play with the flyers. Regrettably, its the only "legal" way of doing it. You can't get the rules or (for the non English-speaking community) can't read them. Welcome to the world of Eldar and Spacewolves.

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  24. I'm sick and tired of people saying
    "WD publishes rules and ppl complain because they can't get them any more so GW puts out a book where you can buy them and ppl complain again".

    If GW would just put up the info as free pdf download there would be no problem, if you dont have access to internet you shouldn't be playing this game and worry more about putting food on the table!

    This is a errata you have to pay for.
    Heck GW should be reported for shady business practises as it doesn't say on the Ork Bommer, Storm Talon and Raven that you have to buy an additional book to be able to use them.

    A new person to the hobby could assume buying the army book (which all state "This codex contains all the rules needed to play ).

    It's like me selling my car to you but if you want the car keys you need to pay an extra £20. You can do everything with the car, just not drive it and if you make a copy of the carkeys or change the lock I will fucking sue you for trying to scam me out of my £20!

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    1. Isn't this pretty much the same as the old "Chapter Approved" books that they used to do? Were those free? I never picked one up, so I'm not sure, but this really has a similar sort of feel to it.

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    2. No, this is nothing like them. You weren't required to buy the old chapter approved books.
      You have no other choice but to download the pdf or buy this compendium if you want updated points costs for units already in codicies.

      The market is changing, Free to Play is the most successful gaming market in the world at the moment. GW has always failed to adopt to a changing market and they are steadily loosing ground. Last few years have seen lower and lower sales from their reports. Heck 20% market loss in Australia over 3 years is pretty bad. Only reason they show a plus every year is because they cut back on everything they can. Sales have been stagnant for a few years now, profits are up but that's because of the downsizing of GW stores and things like that.

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    3. Units already in codices are not being changed other than the updates they got in the FAQs, just reprinted. A lot of people seem to be under this impression for some reason.

      I do believe that the units previously released in the WD update are being changed, so if I had previously purchased that I'd be miffed, but other than that existing entries should be the same.

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    4. I have the photo version of this thing and there are changes in points costs.

      Stormraven
      BA Codex 200pts
      Locator Beacon 15pts
      Extra Armour 15pts

      GK Codex 205pts
      Teleport Homer 15pts
      Extra Armour 15pts

      Shit From the Skies
      Stormraven 200pts
      Locator Beacon 10pts
      Extra Armour 5pts

      I haven't even bothered looking for other changes but from first glances there dont seem to be much else.

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    5. Is that replacing it though or is that just the points cost of the new Space Marine/Templar version of the Stormraven? Again, the FAQ for GK does not refer you to the new book, it just removes deep strike.

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    6. It has 4 Army icons next to the entry, SM, BT, GK and BA.
      It's also Heavy Support (GK codex one was FA).
      There are 2 info boxes.

      GK one says it must replace stormstrike with mindstrike (also has aegis and is a psyker with Fortitude for 5pts) and BA one says replace stormstrike with bloodstrike.

      So no points change on the model itself, 205 for GKs, 200 for everyone else.
      Only the options have new points changes and the stormraven is now Heavy Support, so GKs can NOT take it as Fast Attack.

      So if you dont have this book your stormravens are FA, if you have this book they are Heavy Support or Fast Attack depending on whether you want to use these rules or not.

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    7. They wouldnt even need to FAQ 1/2 this crap if it wasnt for the WAAAC players over on Dakka with their assinine rules questions/arguments.

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  25. Just so people know, there are quite a few photos out. I haven't checked the White Dwarf stats/prices, but everything else (aside from the lack of Scout on IG Flyers) is the same. So if you play IG, Necrons, Dark Eldar, Grey Knights (I believe) Blood Angels - don't buy this book.

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    1. Need to get this info out, a lot of people seem to think that in order to play those units in their codexes they're required to buy the new book.

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    2. Yeah, I have been planing a Dark Eldar army and really wasn't looking foward to having to buy this book/put army building on hold so I could decide on what I really wanted.

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    3. That's why GW didn't explain well what they were selling... did they hope some compulsive buying on an expensive mail only product?

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  26. Errata of Death from the sky has been added to the french errata list. It's in english though, as the book is.

    I don't mind, I'm pretty fluent but I think about kids and people who do not read english very well in all the countries where the rule book has been translated.

    I question GW as to how this should be interpreted. Do you not have enough money to publish this book in the usual languages?

    What is the issue really?

    Are we going to play a different game?

    I'm not used to rant but this really makes me angry at you, GW.

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    1. I really don't think this can be taken as anything but another cynical marketing experiment.

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    2. Sei thanks for chiming in because I didn't even really think about this. Sure, in theory you could buy the book and just read the numbers (everything is pretty clear on the stat sheets as to what it is), but that's a pretty big f-you to the rest of europe that doesn't speak english!

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  27. What's the big deal that rules from a WD, updates and what not are for sale? Take D&D, they had monster compendiums, spell compendiums and equipment compendiums for stuff that were in other products they printed, and you got those items by purchasing it. It's nothing new. The only legit complaint I can see is why do they limit the print and not make available to retailers.

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    1. Well if you bought the WD last year you're being required to buy a whole book to use one unit in your army that you already paid for the rules of. It means we can't expect that buying the rules once gets us the rules until the next codex. The silver lining is that the ibook is fully updated, so its reasonable to conclude they were serious when they said the digital codexes will always have the most up to date rules.

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    2. Not to get in the Android/iPad nonsense, I cannot see paying out of the nose for an iPad. That is just me, but I so want to get the electronic codices, so I am in a bind.

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    3. Well, then there are no legit complaints. When you consider that the odds are that the rules will be superceded once all the codices are updated, if the book was available to retailers, they would be in a situation similar to the one with the chapter approved books, where they had stock they could no longer sell because the content was no longer pertinent. with this model, gw takes the hit if they print more than they can sell before the book becomes irrelevant.

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    4. which is proably why they've being printing it in small batches. apparently they're on their second print run already. I'm gonna have to wait another week to get mine and I ordered within 15 minutes of it going up (was placeing an order when it happened to go up already and thus was the first in my store to get to order one) to GW's credit at least they gave me a 25 dollar voucher

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  28. I maintain that GW should include a nicely printed and laminated sheet with the rules and points cost(s) IN THE MODELS BOX.

    You know that nice little bit they included in Dark Vengeance for the special edition chaplain? If something like that were to be placed in each models box then no one would be crying foul AND GW could release whatever the F*K they want to out of sequence with codex's.

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  29. Its clear that Games Workshop is either unwilling or incapable of addressing the concerns of its clients through FAQ's. This is so that...

    Next month, they will 'fix' Rune Priest's so that their Runic Weapons are not OP bullcrap, and Eldar Runes of Warding only work on Maledictions and Witchfire attacks, but you will have to buy the 'Death from the Warp'(tm) Psyker Compendium. (But only if you buy their book right?)

    The Month after that, they will address flagging vehicle sales by releasing 'Death from the Motorpool' (tm). It will include points rebalancing for all armies that dont have 6E Codex's, and include new vehicle upgrades such as the plasma turret for Dark Angels Predators and Leman Russ Exterminators for Space Wolves...(but only if you buy their book).

    With prices like $99 Storm Ravens ($65 when I bought my pair TWO years ago), $90 Nephilim Fighters, and $85 Helldrakes, it is clear that we are not getting the benefits of reduced production and shipping costs.

    Eventually, Games Workshop will need to change the way it does business, or it is going to price itself out of the market.

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    1. yeah, GW does need to address their prices. or cheaper mini games will supplant them. Warhammer and warhammer 40k are more or less unaffordable to your average younger gamer now.

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