Its called "What?" Is this thing coming out or not. For one, I will be getting it, despite all the arguments against it that there is nothing new in it. However, its three days away, and we have heard not a drop of anything regarding its official announcement or hint of such.


Now the documents that people have been seeing are real, I have seen them myself, and they say without a doubt that "Death From the Skies" is indeed coming out. There have been a lot of people lately declaring that they know that the release has been delayed at the last minute, and that it's delay is indefinite.

I am going with the official internal documents that I and others have seen saying it is going to be available this saturday for "direct only". Here is another confirmation.

Via Bramgaunt on Warseer
I can confirm the book for this weekend. 100% sure. No models to accompany it. Direct only, so if you expect to get one walking into your local shop, you'll be disappointed. Also, stores do not get a preview copy. If you want to have a look in it, you have to actually buy it, or go to see someone who has it.

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  1. That seems like the equivalent of a film not getting pre-screened by critics before release. Not a good sign.

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    1. Anyone hopeing for more than a Collection of Old stuff is hopeing for too much

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  2. I was half considering this, but it seems GW are determined to not sell this item. If even GW don't want to sell this, who knows what it actually contains...

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  3. Reminds me of Crusade of Fire all over again. Definitely not buying it until we can be sure of what's in it and especially not buying it unless it covers ALL the 40k armies.

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  4. I just don't understand WHY you would buy it. All old rules, right? SR for regular marines, ok....don't really need a book in hand to play that. Everyone knows what all their stats are.

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    1. Not entirely true. Both the grey knights and the blood angels have their own missiles (mind strike/blood strike) so I'd assume c:sm and BT would get their own variant.

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    2. I know the rules maybe, but not the points cost. And as the person above me said: GK and BA have different rules for their SR.

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  5. I keep wondering if GW is just trying to throw us off with this...

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  6. I think they're actually anticipating on not selling a lot of them which is why they're not marketing it that hard. I mean, they know it's not new info so it's probably really only for people who missed the white dwarf supplement, didn't bother picking up Crusade of Fire, or Black Templar players who want proof that they can run a Stormraven now (assuming that SM will get a digital update). I'm pretty sure one of the rumors stated the possibility that they might sell out for a little while after release which means it'll probably be a limited first printing.

    This is probably more of an attempt to net the very few people who really want these rules. I might pick it up since I missed the initial supplement and I also play Black Templars, and I didn't pick up the Crusade of Fire supplement (see what I did there?), but I'm in no hurry to do so.

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    1. Also, starting last month GW announced that they were going to start releasing mid-month bundles with no advance warnings, so I expect that you'll be seeing several flyer bundles released at the same time.

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    2. "Bundles" with no discounts just less clicks of the mouse. Whoopdie do!

      I'm waiting to see someone else's copy before I decide. The fact that its being shipped shrink wrapped to retail stores is just one more reason for me to wait. Heck, you can't even look through it on the shelf!

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    3. Yeah, a discount would've been nice, but a bundle is still a bundle regardless of discount.

      Concerning the book though, I thought it was direct only so you could only purchase it from the website...

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  7. It'll be on the Internet for free. This I guarantee.

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    1. Yup and It should have been free from GW in the 1st place.

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    2. I disagree- strongly. I don't mind paying for a compilation of flyer rules for 6th edition. Nor will I ever 'steal' a copy online.

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    3. Cool bro, I'm tagging it fair use and uploading it. Learning is fundamental.

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    4. And stealing is a crime. Just because "everybody does it", or "it's already out there on the Internet, I'll just download it" doesn't make it RIGHT. There's a difference between RIGHT and WRONG, and if you can't see the distinction with something as simple as electronic media, then where DO you draw the line? (I guess wherever it's convenient for you, "bro"...)

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    5. It's all 0's and 1's at the end of the day. I draw the line at physical theft, like most people...

      If you want to pay for something that they offer free, good for you.

      You'd be surprised how many 40k books I actually own, Chief. The only ones I've felt compelled to rip we're the new Altars of War for friends that dont have iPads. This is going to get the same treatment. They chose to release things in a way that is inaccessible for my gaming group, I rectify their error.

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    6. No - this is work. What you're doing is stealing from the people who wrote the rules, drew the pictures, printed the book, proof read it, wrote the fluff: it's theft.

      Do what you will, but don't pretend that you are not stealing from those people.

      If you were suggesting we should get a digital copy alongside the paper, I would agree. It'd be a nice loyalty thing for those of us who likesimply to read the books. Are the books over priced? Goodness yes. Does the management team earn too much? Yes. Do they charge too much? Yes.

      None of those makes your advocacy of stealing their efforts anything less than theft.

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    7. "Stealing" implies that the person I stole it from doesn't have it anymore. This is not me stealing, this is me making my life a little easier. A victimless crime. I'm never going to buy the actual book, but having the rules all in one place is convenient, so I'm definitely going to download a copy.

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    8. ^ What Lost one said. There's a gigantic difference between theft and internet piracy. If someone is never going to buy the book anyway, it really does not matter if they pirate it or not, as GW was not going to get their money anyway.

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    9. Again I don't view piracy as stealing, but I do see it as withholding money from a developer.
      In some cases I could even defent downloading a copy of something, but in most cases I want to pay for a product if I intend to use it, granted it is supplied to me in a way that I can use it. An iPad only release would not work for me, as the iPad codices is not available in my country, nor do I own and iPad. If they did an exclusive release like that I would say they restricted their marked to much to expect sales.

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    10. Ok, lets look at it this way: Lets say this book costs around 20$, but there's no Eldar, Tau or Daemon flyer at all. Then next year they release a book at 20$, that has all the same stuff but now with Eldar, Tau and Daemon flyers. Would you buy both books still??

      Initially the rules are already out there (the flyers' rules), so a free compilation would have been a better choice, but GW doesn't do charity so this is their course of action.

      So it all comes down to: "Do i want to support the company financially for this, by buying this product?"

      Do you?

      Then again if you download a pirate copy of this book, will you truly delete all the additional content that you don't already find somewhere?

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    11. Stealing is taking another persons property with out their consent, internet or no internet, it is against the law. You can dress it up whatever way you want but when you get a court order though the door, good luck trying to fight it with these arguments. lol

      If you are going to do it, make sure you know the consequences as well else you might be in for a very nasty shock one day.

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    12. Not that I agree with downloading codexs and whatnot, is it stealing to download a copy of a codex you already own? If yes, then what about if you scanned your codex to make a PDF file for a tablet device or something for personal use only? For some, scanning a book and converting it into a PDF can be beyond their computer skills. For those people, downloading a pre-scanned/converted codex cuts out the problems of doing it themselves. Basically, if you own the book and intended to have a digital version anyway is it wrong to download it? You'd have a digital copy in both cases and you'd also have already paid for your codex.
      Just curious how people feel about that scenario

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    13. This is interesting, so I'll throw in my two cents.

      I pirate codexes, imperial armour books, dark heresy and rogue trader, books, etc. I have a massive volume of downloaded 40k content. Do I consider internet piracy morally wrong? Pretty much. Do I do it anyways?

      God damn right, I do.

      Because I go out and BUY (with real money, no less) a lot of the books that I previously download. Its a way for me to preview a book, mull it over, and decide if I really do want to spend $50-$60 on it. If I do buy it, then the piracy helped to make the sale. If I dont buy it and keep the downloaded copy, I might reference it a few times over the years, digitally flip through its pages for kicks or something. But Im not really prying excellent, vital, gaming information and lore from the hands of GW if I wasnt really going to buy it anyways.

      Case in point: I own a digital copy of the dark eldar codex. Am I ever going to collect a dark eldar army? Unlikely. But i might play against them sometime. It'd be a good idea to know what a splinter rifle does. Downloaded, kept as a reference, look at some neat pictures. Its the SAME thing i would do with my opponent in store...

      "hey man, can i see your codex? I just wanna check through some of the weapons stats, vehicles, etc"

      "sure! no problem"

      *breeze through it, give it back*

      I got the info, sampled the product, but i didnt buy my own copy. Really...whos getting devastated in this picture? (psssst, the answer is nobody)

      Now, when you get into home made resin rip off models from China, thats a different story....

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    14. Yeah at $50 a codex, I have only bought 1 of the 3 army books I use on the iBooks store. I WANT the DA and SM books, but 100 dollars buys a buttload of miniatures. How does it hurt GW if I download a pdf for an army and then spend 400-500 dollars on the troops for that army? I WILL get the books eventually (I'll buy the DA book when I get around to updating that army to 6th for example), but I don't feel bad about piracy when it only results in me spending more. Especially when I'm pirating a book they don't sell on iBooks. Morality doesn't really enter into it for me.

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    15. Wow. A lot of rationalizing about what the Law considers actual theft of propert, a crime punishable by a fine and even jail time. The fact that it's hard to catch and you feel like up you can get away with it is irrelevant...

      @Jon Wilko: this is just my personal belief, but I think a lot o,f companies that produce physical media apwithout accompanying electronic (digital) medium for the exact same material might look at it:

      - since you bought the physical hard copy, you paid for the IP & production costs. If you scan it so that you have a digital copy that you can reference without having to lug around a bunch of dead trees, then (I think) that's fine. If you download the same thing instead if going thru the hassle of scanning every page & compiling it into a single PDF document, I think toure still safe. HOWEVER, if you take your digital copy & give it to someone else who did not purchase the physical copy themselves, then both of you have committed a crime...

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    16. So, the Black Templar players must pay 20£ for the Storm raven rules. All the other people got their other units' rules with that price as well!

      I am not arguing whether it's Lawfully right to download, but that morally IT IS for some people. Because if they continue this way, they could 'in theory' sell the units' rules for 10$ apiece. And it would still be lawfully right.
      After all, its not the seller thats stupid, but the buyer.

      However morally it would not be right because people have invested so much money on the hobby/army already and the tournaments would be impossible to attend to, so i see Ian Roy's way as the best way for some people.

      Of course, i don't download from the web and buy all the books/dvds/music (Even single Tracks!).

      I Think it would be cool if some of the new unit's rules (Those that are not in the codex yet) would come with the model itself, as in the package. Either that or Pdf on the page.

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  8. I'll be keeping my eyes peeled on their website for this release. Since I'm a collector of 40K this is a must have in my book.

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    1. and this ladies and gentlemen is why they treat us like walking ATM's instead of supplying us with quality goods at a reasonable price

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    2. Maybe if people didn't pirate the printed materiel they wouldn't charge so much?

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    3. Nothing wrong with being a collector. I'm picking mine up so don't have to cross reference every codex with a FAQ to figure out what the current rules for the fliers actually are.

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    4. @Slysa- shrug. If you're calling a product that hasn't even been released yet (in other words you haven't even seen it yet) a low-quality product then by all means do so. I'll reserve judgement for when I actually have it in my hands.

      If you are feeling like a walking ATM perhaps you are in the wrong hobby. Either way- Vivat 40K!

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    5. Wizzy Noise - it's a rehash of old rules with some minor updates. Copied campaign from another book. As there's been no promotion either way, no build up *nothing* (not even a 3 second trailer with a shout in it) it's just utterly unnecessary profiteering.

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    6. @slysa: You do realize they don't make money unless people give it to them for their products, right? Privateer Press stuff isn't any cheaper, and the content is extremely lame by comparison.

      Go be a curmudgeon by your lonesome, stealing from the company and then crying when they make their stuff less accessible as a result.

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    7. First off, he's not "stealing" if he pirates it online. Second off, if GW finds their book (which they've barely marketed or attempted to sell) isn't selling well, they can't do anything to prevent it from being pirated that won't hurt their sales even more.

      If they want money from people, they need to shape up, sell things worth buying, and actually try marketing them.

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    8. Crow198; Regardless of how you justify theft to yourself, it is still stealing (Incidentally, that is exactly what piracy is. Go look up the word pirate).
      Just because it is not a physical product, does not mean it can't be stolen.
      Have you ever felt that someone stole some of your time? There, not a physical product, and yet you felt the time was stolen from you.

      I do this myself, I'm just not enough of a hypocrite to try to justify it.

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    9. " the practice of using the internet to illegally copy software and pass it on to other people:"

      That's the definition right off the Cambridge Dictionary site. No where in that definition does it say "stealing". I'm not trying to say it's not illegal, because it is. It doesn't change the fact that it really is victim-less. When someone downloads a copy of something digital, it doesn't send an electric shock to the people who developed the product, nor does it siphon money out of their bank account.

      An example is if I were to download this book release that GW seems intent on not selling. I am not going to buy it regardless. Therefore me downloading it is just taking a copy that I would not have paid for in the first place - making the "lost sale" argument invalid as well. I still have yet to see how I'm doing something terrible and evil here that even requires justification.

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    10. I have to agree with people saying Piracy isn't stealing. As I do personally thing a product needs to be lost in order for something to be stolen.
      That said I don't believe in pirating Codices et al if you plan on playing with it, because the codex is a part of the game you CHOSE to play. That said "borrowing" one from the internet if you wanted to look at an army to see if it might be something you want to play, or to advice a friend is a different story. I could go to GW to get the same info.

      But all in all we all choose to play this game, it was never ever cheap, so if you don't like the prices shut it and stop playing. From what rumors we have this book might not be needed for you if you have the WD, but for someone starting playing today it can be helpful.
      The alternative would be for GW to reprint all the codices with these rules added. And I can only imagine all the whining from you guys about "walking ATMs" then.
      At least now I can get one book with updatet rules fro the flyers of all my armies in one go.

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    11. Christ, how people can overlook simple common sense to justify theft is beyond me.

      I can't even be bothered to explain the idiocy.

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    12. Mauler, they're using semantics to justify their crime. Fine, it's not "stealing," but it is a crime, and there are victims. Just because those victims don't show up at your door doesn't mean they don't exist.

      These are just people who have become so used to using the internet to get stuff for free without consequence so they feel like they're somehow owed that privilege which causes them to jump through mental loops to justify it.

      It's even gotten to the point where they look down on people who would purchase the item, which is why you see so many people here nonchalantly acting like it's somehow odd someone would order it.

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    13. Semantics is important when it comes to debating. If you're going to put a pet down, it sounds a lot worse, and usually has different connotations, to say that you're slaughtering it, as opposed to euthanizing it.

      I want someone to explain who is the victim of me pirating something here. I have already stated that I will not be buying this book regardless, as I don't feel it holds enough value for me to part with my money for. That means that GW is not getting my money from this either way. If I do download it, they're still not losing anything, and they're still not getting my money. This means that whether or not I decide to download it, the end result is the exact same.

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    14. The end result is not the same because you now have something you didn't pay for. You can try to justify it all you want, but a product has value and by gaining the product without paying for it you're now using the content which cost money to generate. The fact that you're willing to download it at all signals that you do value it, you just don't value it at the price point that GW has set and you're unwilling to give the money directly to the company that generated the content.

      You're victimizing everyone who worked on it because you're essentially stealing the time they worked on it and you're also victimizing people who are actually willing to pay for product because you're devaluing the product they paid for. You're also victimizing the person who might buy it, decide they don't want and try to sell it on EBay later to recoup some of their losses because now there are free copies floating all over the place so who would buy it from them? There's no such thing as a "victim less crime," that's just something that people who commit crimes tell themselves to feel better about it.

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    15. My comment doesn't want to seem to post, and I really don't feel like re-writing everything, so I'll keep it short.

      The end result is not the same. The person who made the product is not being inconvenienced, nor is anything being physically taken from them. Everything that doesn't happen to them, wouldn't happen even if I didn't buy it. It really is a victimless crime.

      Also if you want a good example of a victimless crime, smoking marijuana is one. If I decide to smoke marijuana in the privacy of my own home, how am I victimizing anyone?

      There are lots of arbitrary laws, and victimless crimes; because the legal system is far from perfect. If you feel the need to strictly adhere to it 100%, then all the power to you; just don't treat others like they're monsters for committing victimless crimes.

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    16. I don't want to get into a debate about drug laws, but try saying that to a cop who gets shot while busting a drug dealer and see what kind of a response you get.

      Look, you're not a monster for downloading it, this isn't about the moral levels of various laws, but you're still committing a crime and there are still victims regardless of whether you have sympathy for those victims. To say that GW wouldn't be inconvenienced by you gaining a free copy of their product isn't true because of course a company that charges for a product is inconvenienced when someone gets that product for free, because it devalues the product.

      I'm not saying you're a terrible person, you're probably a nice guy irl, all I'm saying is don't pretend like you're an innocent. You're committing a crime with full knowledge that it is a crime. Period. Full Stop.

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    17. Well that escalated quickly, I also love all of the assumptions firstly I'm a collector of GW products myself (I own 4 armies, 5 codexes multiple versions of the rules, IA books, FW products a ridiculous amount of Bl books and some BFG) and secondly I've never downloaded any GW books. I just resent the way we're treated as customers this is repackaged shit that should be provided for free as a pdf not charged money for and as a collector I only buy QUALITY GW products because that's all I can afford in the land of the BS pricing (Australia).

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    18. I agree with slysa about this being repackaged sh!t. This is GW trying to get people to pay for a fancy looking Errata/FAQ. The rules already exist in other books, there is nothing new (other than them fixing their own mistakes that they made in the books they've previously sold people), so why should they charge for it? This is simply GW screwing their customers AGAIN!! I love the story and the models, but I won't spend money on a product I already own that is a fix for their previous screw ups!!!

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    19. Using the Oxford dictionary, which is the premier dictionary of the English language:

      Definition of steal

      verb (past stole /stəʊl/; past participle stolen /ˈstəʊlən/)

      1 [with object] take (another person’s property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it:


      Or

      Definition of piracy

      noun

      1 [mass noun] the practice of attacking and robbing ships at sea.


      a practice similar to piracy but in other contexts, especially hijacking: air piracy


      2 the unauthorized use or reproduction of another’s work: software piracy


      Unauthorised taking and unauthorised use. If you have a problem with your definition of a word then that's your problem, not everyone elses'. The bottom line is that taking something that you have no legal right to is stealing and you can't really weasel your way out of it in conversation with anyone with a working brain and decent grasp of English.

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    20. For the definition of steal, it clearly says [with object], meaning you're taking another person's object/property, so they do not have it anymore, and you do not give it back. Piracy makes it very clear that you're using someone's work, or reproducing it (keyword being reproducing).

      It's also why if you pirate something that you already own, it's still considered piracy, and therefore illegal. Would you consider that stealing too?

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  9. how did this even get made?

    I mean, what a complete waste of internal resources.
    What an amazing missed opportunity. If no new units, or useful core rules, its not even worth the SKU for them to track it....

    Who is running that place? The gamers have no business sense, and the business guys have no gaming sense...

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    1. How is it a waste? I don't have the white dwarf with the rules for a storm talon and i don't feel like stealing them off the net, and is it so wrong to want to be able to have legal rules and updated rules to use the storm raven with my CF, but last time I looked this hobby was and had always( adjust for inflation) been a luxury and expensive

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    2. Agreed, and people keep losing sight of that. This is a -luxury-, not a -necessity- of life. It's not like it's the early 1900s and someone has cornered the market on coal and people are freezing to death in their homes because the bastard has jacked the price up so high and there are no alternatives... Sorry, that metaphor ran on a bit...

      But that's the point. This is a luxury, and luxeries tend to be pricey, but you're not forced to pay for them like you are food, fuel & rent.

      So they printed a compilation of rules that had previously been in White Dwarf and are now conveniently available thru direct order to anyone who WANTS it. If you don't need it and don't want it, why do you care that they've done it?

      Jeez!...

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    3. I'll be purchasing it. I got back into 40k because I'm tired of digital gaming and even pulling out my phone to track down the image of the white dwarf page with my dakka jet rules is too much. Call me old school but I didn't mind the days of 6 stacked tsr books to get some d&d time in. Consult your monstrous manual for additional rules.

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  10. I love GW models, I love their fluff. I don't like the fact that in order for me to compete I have to buy a codex, a BRB, and now a flyer book. 3 books to play a tabletop game is absolutely ridiculous. The hardcore fan-boys are out in force here. I would never steal, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, but I bet back in the day you downloaded music off napster, or burned a CD from a buddy. So act all righteous, it's laughable! I for one refuse to buy another book filled with rules, that should be free in the first place. Plus I have the white dwarfs with the rules already. GW is laughing all the way to the bank.

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    1. God forbid buying 3 books, god forbid.

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    2. First of all, you have no proof that someone did download music off napster, or burned a CD.

      Second, you don't HAVE to have any books. It's a luxury. This game doesn't owe you anything more than rules and models. If you want them, you pay for them. Holy crap, a business wants to make money. "Laughing all the way to the bank." You moron; you realize they don't make any money unless people voluntarily hand it over?

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    3. Count yourself lucky that you don't need the book because you have the magazines already. So why complain? If there's nothing new in the book for you then you don't have to buy it as you've already justified - hardly a bad thing, is it?

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    4. Archibald, while I have no proof that people here that are preaching about not stealing property, the likelihood is that some have.

      Also, this is a 40k forum. Lets not start name calling, and acting immature. Thanks.

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    5. 3 books to play? Wow that is a lot! I been RPGing since HS and never had 3 books. Had dozens of books. Still do! So complaining about having 3 books (only one army, really?) to play a game is foolish.

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  11. Sorry to go off on a little rant, but is anyone else offended by the constant use of the 'death from the skies' cliche whenever fliers are mentioned? I don't have my old WDs handy, but from what I recall, that phrase has been used over and over again whenever flyers are released, I think in the teaser for the Stormtalon release, and possibly again when the Heldrake was out. In picture captions as well as headlines. So much so that it has become incredibly grating. Maybe I'm just a word nazi, but it makes me want to gouge out my eyes whenever I read it.

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  12. Doesn't fit GWs MO tough. And every other time I have heared a rumor about "X comming out on day Y" without it being a WD mention of it mid month, has just not happened.
    I think the book might come, but it will not be on Saturday, and at least not for sale then. Best case it might be a preorder.
    But no mention of it in WD is just to different from GW practice that I doubt it will happen.

    I might be wrong though.

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    1. Actually, the 'parting shot' backpage of WD has a Necron flyer on it.

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  14. I just don't understand the point of this at all. People will know the old rules for their flyers already if they use them and I cant see them paying (or why they should), and lugging around a new book just for a couple of those entries they had anyway.

    I'd say the ultra hush hush about it is because GW realize it might not be their greatest idea ever and are hoping people to just purchase it on a whim on day one.

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    1. People who would benefit from having this book:

      1. New Players
      2. People who missed the original release of the rules
      3. People switching armies
      4. Black Templar players

      I think GW knows it won't be a big seller, but it'll be a consistent seller. People will buy it. And if you can't see the point of it then you just might not be the target for it.

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    2. I play daemons atm so you might be right. lol

      The Black Templar thing really should be in an errata for free and people who missed the WD updates would have found them anyway if they intended to use them. This book seem to just be forcing people to buy it for the legality of using those units in an army now, something that nobody really had a problem with before. I find that very harsh. For Example. Will you be forcing players to use this book if they want to field units featured in it are will you let them carry on as before?

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    3. The problem I have with this is the following; Say I'm a new ork player. I want a flyer or two and obviously cannot find the white dwarf issue. You are saying that I have to buy the already pricy codex and models but now an additional book, just to get the stats of the ork flyers? You are talking about a player buying a book for what amounts to maybe 3 pages. Why not put a stat card or sheet in the model box like Privateer Press? Or better yet, online?

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    4. Thought about splitting the cost of hte book between some friends if it has rules that they may need and you don't?

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    5. There are lots of games that require multiple books to play (namely paper and pencil RPGs), so I'm not so sure why supplement books are suddenly -now- an issue.

      The point I was making is that it's not an unreasonable product, and it'll have it's small, but dedicated market.

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    6. It is an issue now because before now we have never been expected to pay for so few extra rules. They either came in form of a WD update or in an errata as it should always be. Will every player, tournament etc.. allow Black Templar players to field without this book? No, there for they are expected to pay £20 odd for a sentence that has up to now always been featured as part of a new codex, wd update or errata. Give me one instance this has happened before?

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    7. Nurgle, if they gave away the rules for free then people who paid for them previously would throw a fit and you know it. And this supplement is obviously aimed at a very small target group with most people who are part of a gaming group will end up sharing it anyways or using store copies.

      And as for Black Templar players, would you rather they just not get a flyer? Their new codex is rumored at being at least two years out. I'm sure tourney players would rather pay the 20 or so bucks instead of waiting around and having a serious deficiency until then.

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    9. This is about GW sneaking more new paid for rules into the game. That is what I am getting at. Rules that were previously only ever done in form of codex, WD update or errata are now in an extra must have £20 odd book if you want to use them. Yes its one small sentence that effects one army but that is still pretty huge in terms of what it could mean in future. Why not just put it in an errata? I might be over thinking things but I reckon this is going to lead to paid erratas.

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    10. We will see. my money is on this being the start of the end of free FaQ's and erratas. I hope I am wrong but knowing how much GW like to milk things I doubt it.

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    11. But it's not "must have." If you picked up the WD with the new rules then you won't be purchasing it. If you own those codexes that came out with the flyers already in them and aren't interested in the others, then you won't be purchasing it. And I'm interested if GW has ever released complete rules for a new unit in an errata for free. I've been playing since about 2007 (which I admit isn't a super long time) and I've never seen anything like that.

      The point is that this book isn't as compulsory as a lot of people are making it out to be. The only army that it seems would really HAVE to purchase it is Black Templars, and like I said previously, it's either that or wait two years for a new codex. Expecting GW to just give away free rules for units, especially rules that people have already paid for, just seems unrealistic.

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    12. If I recall correctly (and I may not, as I wasn't as rooted into the game during 3rd as I am now), but a few of the Marine variant books where essentially add-on books to the standard Marine codex and required the regular book to play.

      And then there have been add-ons and variants and compilations in the past with a few different books that GW has done, and obviously Forgeworld does this kind of thing all the time.

      So it's not that GW hasn't done it (though I'm hazy about the 3rd ed stuff), but that they're taking an approach that they didn't do recently (and when they did it was pretty much only FW), and applying it to the bigger game.

      I, for one, appreciate compilation books. They make reference across multiple books easier, allow for a rules update, and even give the company a chance to add new stuff (and I hope they do and we just haven't seen any of it yet).

      TL;DR: This isn't new, it's just a new package for something that's been done before.

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  15. Can't say that I see the problem here: the flier rules were previously spread across how many White Dwarfs? 2? 3? That's £10-£15 already for the magazines. The fact that they have other content is beside the point, if your codex has no rules for those fliers then GW expect you to have purchased the magazines to obtain them.

    I have no problem owning the rules and stats for units that I don't field myself, I get to familiarise myself with what an opponent can bring to the table and make sure they know what their own unit and (can can't, more importantly) do. And now you have it in what I assume is a nice hardback book that will wear a lot less than an old WD mag.

    If you have the original rules in magazines, don't buy the new book.
    If you can source the original rules for cheaper than the book, don't buy the book.
    If you don't want to support GW's expensive book scheme, don't buy the book.
    You guys complaining don't have to buy it, you know.

    We ALL know that Games Workshop make their money by selling two primary things: rules and models. I can't see how people can complain about having to buy rules that were never free in the first place.

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    1. Oh trust me, I will not be buying it, and I understand that nobody is forcing me to. I was just stating that it would make more sense for them to just include a rules pamphlet or the like with the models that are not in the codex.

      Playing daemons, this situation doesn't really even include me, but it is similar to the WD update for daemons a few months back. I was lucky enough to get that WD and have the rules, but had I missed it, a simple insert in the box with the models would have been a cheap and easy way for GW to help it's players.

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    2. Coolio, but then doing it that way with the free rules will have all the players who bought White Dwarf for those rules up in arms that they spent money for something that's free. Can't win either way ;(

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    3. So the solution is to make people pay more to justify paying in the first place?

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  16. Sounds like an interesting supplement, but since my three armies are Tyranids, Tau, and Sisters, there's nothing for me in this book.

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  17. Does anyone one remember when GW made those chapter approved books out of free/WD articles. This isn't anything new so it's time to get over it

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