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The Age of Sigmar- Here is What is Inside the Box!



Free Rules, confirmed. All Fantasy models usable, confirmed. There will be 96 pages of background only available through the Age of Sigmar boxset, followed by 18 Stormcast Eternals and 29 Warriors of Khorne. Not only that but we are looking at $120 for the set, which was a concern since early rumors had it a little higher.

Take a look at the very latest for the Age of Sigmar!



these are from lots of sources...... even more saying the same thing that are not listed.


via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
Here's what's inside the box:

The models we saw in the leaked images, which are called (the good side)
Stormcast Eternals, while the chaos side is still Warriors of Khorne. 47
models in total.
Then the usual rulers, dice etc plus 2 transfer sheets.
Rulebook is 4 pages.... (maybe it's just a how to get started rulebook
covering the models in the box, I don't have any further info at the
moment.)

Then there's going to be an almost 100 page background book which is
exclusive to this box only.


via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
An email sent out to Stores.........




via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
Age of Sigmar is about US$120, comes with a 96 page book though apparently 
only 4 pages of rules. These 4 pages will be downloadable and come in more 
languages than before.

All current warhammer units are getting "warscrolls" (like dataslates) 
which will be free downloads. Including formations in the future.

Bases are now irrelevant, measuring from model itself.

There are benefits/detriments to units who "rank-up".




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  1. Wow, free rules? That is something I never thought I would see GW do! All my hopes for having a small dwarf army are coming true!

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    1. The Black Library says hello :D

      Sorry, couldn't resist...

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    2. "only 4 pages of rules. These 4 pages will be downloadable"

      These will undoubtedly be the "getting you started" style rules already put into most starter sets. It makes sense to do this because (for now) all the new models are exclusive to the boxset anyway, meaning if you do want the to play "properly" you'll still need the box.

      "All current warhammer units are getting "warscrolls" (like dataslates)
      which will be free downloads. Including formations in the future."

      This sounds to me like what they did to Dogs Of War before the range was slowly phased out over time or simply made irrelevant. Its great in a way, because it keeps your existing models 'usable' - but all the new toys will have new books and rules, most likely eclipsing the 'free' scrolls and slates.

      The first few actual army-books will be the real test of how long the support for old kits lasts, though.

      The fact they removed the Lammasu, Great Taurus from sale over the weekend isn't filling me with confidence, however. :x

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    3. It says no more army books.

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    4. I read that. I can see it happening at first, but given Gamesworkshop make a hefty profit from the books *and* they're the only reliable way to make informed decisions about how to build your army (unless its all just a free-for-all in terms of what goes with what now) - I don't believe it will last forever.

      That said - if its true, that is kinda awesome, but still bonkers from a business decision point as it means those that proxy but still buy rulebooks will be giving GW precisely -nothing- in return for playing their game.

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    5. Maybe it's to try and stop people using proxies? The only place to get the rules will be to buy the models (or go on the internet a week after the release)

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    6. Dan the units will have rules downloadable online. Its directly says that as well.

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    7. All GW codexes and rulebooks are free....

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    8. Perhaps they realized that book piracy was much bigger than they/we thought.
      Perhaps it's a "if you can't beat them, join them" move.
      At the end of the day, many other companies give out free rules now. GW has to compete or die.
      I think books will still exist, but will be fancy collectors items with lots of lore and artwork.

      Either way, I'm excited for Ravening Hordes 2.0 and I'm excited that new rules and rules for ALL existing miniatures will be online end of this week... Getting a bit hyped!

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    9. Thx the pirates.

      Goes to show people can really move something if they vote with their wallet.

      @INQ
      Ofc the downloaders are more. Not everybody plays the Army and wants to buy, but they still want to have a look see at the dex.

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  2. concerning the email to the shops, why do they always sound far too cheerful and happy to take it serious ?!

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    1. Because thats retail. You need to be excited about your product. You need to pass that onto your customers. That excitement is contagious, just like negativity is. Its good to convey this excitement, as it also dispells doubts and fears.

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    2. "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt," eh? =P

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    3. Exactly what Father Gabe said. If you don't show confidence in your product, no matter what business you are, it won't draw people in general.

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    4. Yeah, but "most awesome Starter Set in GW history!" is kind of over-blowing it.

      Come on, guys, Titan Legions gave me an Imperator Titan, two Mega-Gargants, and card buildings to go along with all the rules and stuff (oh, and Knights and Stompas).

      This is more like every recent starter set. Sure, it's a nice entry point to the game, but not "OMG BEST STARTER EVAR!!!"

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    5. Assault on Black Reach comes to mind.

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    6. it actually turns me off wanting to buy in store for those few things i cannot buy online elsewhere (combat company) if someone is pleasant (which is not often) i get suspicious over their motive, which is to sell models.....odd i know and i am not the majority but if i am like this i wonder if the infectious excitement actually falls short of it's intended mark for other people as well.

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    7. Its ment for staff.
      You have to get youre Team or employees motivated.
      You dont Do that by telling them "we got to sell this Box or fantasy will die" ;)

      I think GW staff is more deluded from all the propaganda than customers ever could be. They are all crazzy...like extrem fanboys.

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    8. Or, you know, they're paid to do a job and do it like most people. I get you hate these games, you don't make that hard to see, but there's no need to be cruel to people.

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  3. OK
    I'm still going to wait for the Big Rulebook, and see what's what, but I'm already encouraged by this rumour.

    Still going to use round bases. But thats my preference.

    Free downloads for existing units. Yes please! I've some specific units I want but can't see the sense in buying a whole army book. That part of the rumour is the best in my opinion.

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    1. Did you miss the part where it says 'No More Large Rulebook'?

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    2. "No more army books or large rulebooks"

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    3. Was going off a previous rumour of the bigger rulebook in August.

      No rulebook! I'll download the 4 pages.
      Rulebook! I'll get it.

      Age of Sigmar box! Nope. Don't want Khorne and not a fan of the Storm cast Eternals.

      So a lot of downloading ahead, allowing me to save up for miniatures.

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    4. I took that as "no more [current] army books or [current] large rulebook". Surely we're still going to have a rulebook eventually, and army books to follow? I would think...

      Though if its just downloads for rules, to keep the game a truly low entry point into the hobby, I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth!

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    5. Yeah, surely anyone who believes Warhammer will not end up with yet another huge book of rules is just not that sharp. WFB armies aren't being simplified down to the point that they can be explained in 4 pages. This is Age of Sigmar.

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    6. No reason the main rules can't be free online either. 4 pages won't be all the rules... BUT that doesn't mean there has to be a huge book.
      The infinity rulebook is 250+ pages and it's a free pdf.

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  4. This... this sounds almost to good to be true but I sort of hope it is because this would be a fantastic step in the right direction. I may finally get involved with fantasy. What I have seen/ read so far only makes me more excited for Age of Sigmar. Still reading The End Times stuff though.

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  5. This seems to go against the thought that this would be a stand alone starter set and then a big rule book would follow. ALL free rules is pretty enticing. Never was interested in fantasy before but I'm leaning more toward trying AoS now.

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  6. I think everyone can step back from the ledge now. Sounds like they have done this one properly. I am at least hopeful.

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    1. *slips on some wet moss and tumbles off the edge* Tooooo Laaaaaate!!!!

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  7. Holy moly. Going from 50 dollar hardback books to... free rules you can download and print online, or that just come in the box you buy?

    That's phenomenal.

    I remember one of the bigger complaints about Fantasy was that it was actually MORE expensive than 40k because you had to buy box after box of the same unit just to fill out those huge blocks of ranks.

    Going to Skirmish-style games and getting free rules (as well as SIMPLER rules, it sounds like) will really encourage new players to join.

    Especially if those sweet-looking Stormcast Eternals are just the tip of the iceberg model-wise.

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    1. The "Fantasy is more expensive than 40k" mantra is perpetrated more or less by people who have never played fantasy, because it is not more expensive than 40k by any means - in fact in many cases it was cheaper to build a 2000 point fantasy army than an 1850 40k army.

      The real issue comes with time - whereas you spend $600 on 50 models for an 1850 40k army, you'll spend $450 on 80 models for a 2000 fantasy army - and with almost double the models to paint and base, and store, and carry to games...it takes a lot more time to complete an army/go to the local store/play a game.

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    2. +1 Nick.

      Fantasy has *never* cost more than 40k. I found it cheaper because I didn't have to buy stuff like Land Raiders and Storm Ravens and the like.

      Also, the free rules thing makes me kind of resent paying £35 on a Dark Angels book full of copy-paste fluff and godawful art, but that's another topic =P

      Definitely a move in the right direction, I just hope they do it for 40k in future. If they update the Codices to the current format and then, in future, just use those as a basis for free, regular online updates, that'd be great.

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    3. Blanket statements are pointless either way, SOME fantasy armies are more expensive than SOME 40k armies and vice versa. May the wallet-gods have mercy on your soul if you play a Skeleton horde.

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    4. "Also, the free rules thing makes me kind of resent paying £35 on a Dark Angels book full of copy-paste fluff and godawful art, but that's another topic =P "

      Pft. Ork players paid $100 for the combined codex and supplement to get the same amount of stuff now showing up in $50-$58 books, including the $50 supplement that had the same number of pages as a recently released $33 codex, and the Ork codex had most of the basic fluff copied and pasted directly from the 4th edition codex.

      This pain's been around a while.

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    5. Yeah, but I play an *Imperial* army, we're supposed to get better stuff than you lost =P

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    6. Fantasy is in general more expensive than 40k.... I have

      8000 Skaven
      2000 Orks
      2000 undead
      12000 Chaos (demons and mortals)
      5000 Elves
      2000 Lizardmen
      2000 Empire
      2000 dwarves

      40k i have

      3000 necron
      3000 tau
      5000 Chaos (mostly khorne) this doesnt include my demon cross overs)
      1000 Eldar
      1000 Nid
      5000 Emperium

      Now i know I have a ton more fantasy over 40k, but i just started 40k recently since fantasy just died in the last few years and I had to move over to 40k.

      My first army was Chaos mortals (back when a chaos warrior had godly stats and didnt take many to field an army) Even then I had to buy blister after blister of certain things to make a unit.

      Now get into armies like skaven and its VERY daughnting. A normal skaven slave unit is easily 80 models and thats only 160ish points. Thats more than most whole 40k armies in one unit.

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    7. Skeleton horde is actually fairly cheap because of KOW models looking similar and cheaper

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    8. Its the special units where things get expensive... If you make a bedget army you can get them pretty cheap foe both 40k and fantasy but your options are limited

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    9. @Bill; Naturally, I was just going by the GW prices here. And it'll be even worse if you want some 40-blocks of Grave/Tomb Guard.

      Luckily there's always the possibility to make unit fillers for hordes.

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    10. Also you can typically play 40k at smaller point values overall. Where current fantasy doesnt play the same at lower point values.

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    11. I googled tourny 1850 for 40k and 2000 for fantasy and added the cost for each army.

      The first list that poped up was a 1850 tau which came out to 651

      The first fantasy was a tomb king 2000 for 600.

      Fairly close in cost but the big difference is where you paint 77 models in 40k it came out to 135 models (not including crew members for war machines) in fantasy.

      I feel that the huge paint to do list fantasy players have is another issue for new people.

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    12. @arbaal You're just looking for reasons bud.

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    13. reasons for?

      Do you think i bought that many models because i dislike fantasy as it was?

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    14. funny @ Arbaal i have more than you for fantasy and i think it is cheaper because i have less 40k, that is the logic your using here.

      fun fact: fantasy is a time sink to paint/hobby your army and 40k is a time sink to play a game. both have good/bad points and largely they equalize/balance the difference between the two.

      because you buy more of one thing doesn't mean the thing you chose not to buy is any more expensive, in fact it is not expensive in the least as you didn't expend resources purchasing it.

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    15. as someone with large collections of each game system (and purchased 90% of my model collection was bought at Australian GW RRP) i can say there is NO DIFFERENCE to either price point of either game setting's miniatures. i can make a competitive army for both for similar price point.

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    16. And then i priced out an army and showed I was wrong... That they are similar...

      One thing i did miss in my calculations tho is price of movement trays. That does make the cost right at about the same.


      That being said I still think a Skaven army is the most expensive army in either game. That is my latest purchase so that is what stands out in my head.

      A 160 points of slaves is about 100 bucks.

      Gutter runners are 15 bucks for 3 and its not abnormal to need 2 units of 10 of those. I cant think of anything in 40k that comes close to this in expense. Then you start throwing in doom wheels and screaming bells...

      Yeah its a bit more expensive than 40k armies.

      Orks and Goblins are similar...

      Painting this kind of bulk is a limiting factor to starting fantasy. I dont see how that is a reach. Painting just 40 rats is pretty time consuming compared to says an army of space marines.

      I would go as far as to say power armor and such is just easier to paint in bulk.

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  8. and this is what happens when a model company remembers its a model company ... only concern is the quality of the rules for tournament play.

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    1. Fingers crossed that free online rules means timely and well tested FAQs and Rule Updates.

      Both fantasy and 40k suffer greatly from not having "living" rule books.

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  9. Reminds me of ravening hordes back in the day.

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    1. Yes. The nostalgia is there.

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    2. a show of hands who still has RH v1.0.....*shows his oversized apelike hand*

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    3. The damage rating idea is interesting. It seems that some weapons just do multi wounds when they hit and need to be saved against each seperate. Maybe this covers war machines and no more cannon bounce.

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  10. Here's a link to the actual flyer being sent to GW's (from twitter): http://i.imgur.com/gJpVNWw.jpg

    I also read somewhere (forget the original source), that the downloads for rules/unit dataslates are going to be released on JULY 4TH, not JULY 11TH when the game itself drops. So we could be seeing the full rules and how the old units fit into the game starting in 4-5 days.

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    1. From the flyer: "all models from the old Warhammer Fantasy armybooks will receive new rules and can be used in the new game."

      That's good news.

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    2. In some sense, its kinda like getting a new army book for every single army in the game. Not gonna lie, very excited to see how Chaos, Beastmen, Lizards and Wood Elfs end up looking under the new rule set.

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    3. I'm quite surprised that people haven't yet picked up on the typo on the second line from the bottom. I'm referring to the word that should read 'and', but instead says 'amd'.

      Unless the poster was put together in haste for distribution, I really doubt its authenticity.

      I'd love if it everything in the poster was true, and I can forgive that N and M are next to each other - but this seems to be quite a notable mistake.

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    4. @unforgivenangels - It happens. I've worked in retail for 12 years and even much larger companies get it wrong.

      I remember getting a leaflet through from GW once that said "Skull Shite" was a paint. ;)

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    5. @Christine Browning - Lol! I'd have ordered a few pots just to see if the spelling carried over!

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  11. Is it just me or is 4 pages too short even for basic rules? Both warhamner quest & blood bowl are simple games with rulebooks of about 30 pages. I'm not complaining I'm definitely in, it's just that by page 4 in the 40k rule book you're learning what to do if your model is wobbly!

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    1. If you read through the 8th edition rules, most of the bulk of the rules section is taken up by movement and special rules. If movement has indeed been simplified by not having to move in blocks, and special rules are included with the models in the box, that would seriously cut down on the amount space needed to get core rules down. Maybe not enough to get it down to 4 pages (front and back maybe?) but we still don't know what other changes have been made.

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    2. That's the only thing I'm a bit iffy on, everything else seems awesome, maybe it's just the very basic rules? Should be interesting to see either way.

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    3. I assume these core rules won't have any of the traditional "special rules" like fear, forest strider etc...
      Also, it looks like there's no mages or shooting in the starter box, so they could potentially skill all the magic and shooting rules.

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    5. "Is it just me or is 4 pages too short even for basic rules?"

      4 pages is way enough for basic rules. I'm game designer and I made a miniatures game with Jérémie Bonamant Teboul's miniatures from Figone (release soon), it also has 4 pages of core rules. :)

      It will be factionless, without randomness and point system. (Even if an optional rule allow to play with random for people loving it, without core rules conversion)

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  12. i wonder if the rules for old units will include what size round bases they should be on... i wonder will the models get packed with round bases? or are they just gonna go out of production?

    surely at least the end times kits will remain around for age of sigmar?

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    1. All current boxes are being reboxed/rebranded, and being sold with round bases moving forward according to Atia on twitter.

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    2. ah, thats great to know, thanks!

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  13. What I don't get is: if they're going to keep selling old kits (and when it comes to recent stuff like Wood Elves, Dwarfs, Nagash etc., they'd bloody better), surely that kind of defeats the purpose of a reboot to save money?

    I thought the whole point was supposedly to dump a failing IP (which we've yet to see specific figures for, so I dunno if I buy that yet) and start from scratch. You can't really do that when you keep producing old kits (at a not inconsiderable expense) while piling on new ones.

    The strategy is probably less of a "fresh start" and more "make lots of noise about new rules and hope it attracts fresh interest." Which is a valid business strategy, but pretty short-term in outlook. I'd genuinely love to see how they plan on maintaining that initial interest, given that most of the minis you'll see will still be old Fantasy stuff.

    Of course, they could be planning to eventually phase out sales of the old minis entirely over time, making all of the above moot. Like I said, I'd genuinely love to know what their strategy is here!

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    1. I don't buy that "they nixed fantasy so they could protect their IP". Personally I think that rumor reverb is based heavily on the renaming of 40K factions and the fallout among the neckbeards over the chapterhouse lawsuit.

      Because, quite frankly, there are very few new ideas under the sun. Anything fantasy based has to pull rom somewhere. Even the new Sigmate warriors call back to images of angels and even the kings of war Basileaicans.

      Gw is not doing this to protect their IP. That's what lawyers are for.

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    2. GW know they can't just dump everything that came before, they need to retain the remaining fans and sell remaining stock, they can be silly bunch, but not that silly.

      We won't really know I suppose until the game has been out for a while and we start to see where they're going with this.

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    3. The End Times killed off tons of characters, and finecast is now mail-order only. There is the streamlining. My local GW store has reduced the space assigned to fantasy by half and all of it is plastic.

      Another factor making the IP easier to defend in court by introducing a more distinct style.

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    4. i think chances are good that theyll slowly start discontinuing existing kits, but keep free rules for old units available so that people can still use their models

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    5. I never said it was to protect IP, I said that the Fantasy IP was dumped because it wasn't profitable (or at least, that's what people reasoned). Should have clarified, sorry.

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    6. It's not really a reboot to save money, it is to get new players into the game.

      Most of the cost of making these models comes upfront, especially with plastic molds, so GW has already paid most of the cost for the existing model range so really it would be foolish to discontinue them. However if they don't get new players into the game it is just too expensive to make new molds since they won't make the money back.

      Reading these flyers it seems like this is a push to get people into the hobby in general and isn't JUST a push for fantasy.

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    7. Yeah, I never really bought the "Fantasy is haemorrhaging money so they're dumping it to save cash" thing tbh. For one thing, there were never any figures to back it up, just assertions.

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    8. I expect all the existing plastic kits will stay around until the molds break down, which afaik takes a veeerrrry long time, especially for less popular kits. The resin and metal models will probably disappear within the next few years though. Of course that's where GW was going in general anyways so no shock there.

      But yeah saying they were losing money on WHFB in general is silly, I believe they just lose money on some of the new kits specifically with some exceptions like Nagash.

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    9. +1 @Stone Edwards - this is definitely a push to get new players into the hobby to compete with smaller, cheaper games like Malifaux, Infinity, Warmachine/Hordes.

      I work with manufacturers in the US for a living, and you're 100% correct - the creation/design/manufacture of an injection mold is where the cost goes (and the cost of the raw plastic to melt/use in the creation of the models, but that's more or less constant for a company like GW). So for the older kits (5+ years old), GW is making almost pure profit at this point on any sales they make - the molds have been paid off for years. It would be silly for them to stop selling them to develop all new molds exclusively - if this successfully gets new players into the game, and they start to buy those older models as well, then its just even more fuel for GW to continue to create new models for both 40k and Age of Sigmar.

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    10. If you think about it, it's really the ideal thing for Gw. They get to continue to use old molds and continue to make pure profit on them. They don't make as much on books, but again, they don't have to outlay anything for them either. Publishing rules for free, just means more discretionary income available for models.

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    11. Yeah, all the business rumors are no different than the Age of Sigmar content rumors... except GW never actually reveals the truth in the end. The IP nonsense, the idea that GW is losing money on WFB, the idea that old players don't buy anything, these are things 15 year-olds hear on one website and just start repeating endlessly until the entire web community takes them as true, unless they know something about business, formally or informally. It really sounds like Age of Sigmar is the separate skirmish game that was rumored, and WFB will be a sister game. GW has $100, 10" tall models to sell, they aren't shaving things down just to small games.

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    12. I helped the local hobby shop get warhammer in. When I talked to the supplier they straight up said nationwide (and they are the ones that sell the models to the store nationwide) that fantasy has had a poor showing in sells for a while and they suggested going 75% 40k and only stocking main starters and heavy sellers for fantasy.

      They have no reason to lie to me. They want to sell models as much as i did.

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    13. 1 hobby shop is not equal to the entire hobby. It also has no bearing on how much *Games Workshop* lost or made on Fantasy.

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    14. 1 hobby shop is not equal to the entire hobby. It also has no bearing on how much *Games Workshop* lost or made on Fantasy.

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    15. Did you read what i wrote? I wasnt talking to one hobby shop. I was talking to games workshops supplier. The person that sets up those "one hobby shops" across the country

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    16. I'll have to back Arbaal up on this one - a friend on mine used to own two hobby shops and he was very reluctant to stock Warhammer Fantasy models for that very reason, despite having a large collection himself. Anything I wanted from him I had to order especially.

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    18. Someone agreed with arbaal, great now his ego's going to get even bigger.

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    19. They aren't "dumping" or "killing"anything, this move is just a major rebranding. I think they probably felt to some extent that 40k has eclipsed fantasy in terms of the "warhammer" brand. I mean, pretty much everyone in the community usually just calls it "fantasy", that's not exactly spectacular for brand recognition.

      Tldr; it's a marketing maneuver accompanying a major rules overhaul to bring in new players.

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    20. I'm agreeing because my own anecdotal evidence - independent hobby stores have poor Warhammer Fantasy sales - agrees with arbaal.

      However... the independent store my friend ran didn't do badly out of Kings Of War OR Avatars Of War. They both seemed to be ok(ish) sellers. Probably the price point more than anything, there.

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    21. Don't worry Christine I was just teasing, you seem like a nice person who puts thought into what you say,so if you say it's true I'll believe you.

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    22. Haters gonna hate

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    23. ^ well to be fair that is what they do. it's like expecting icecreams to not melt....it's just what they do.

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    24. That's funny coming from you arbaal, or did you forget all the hate you spewed at anyone who didn't like GW's changes, the difference is that those and these people can at least be civil, unlike you. Talk about a hypocrite.

      But I don't hate you arbaal, honestly I pity you, you're an arrogant bully, but in the end it's not me that pays the price for that.

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    25. Cooler you are full of it... Ive had people say the same thing about me in regards to me being the civil one. It seems it all depends on who you agree with if you are civil or not. Let me guess you are on the Anti change side?

      You can pity me for enjoying myself if you want. /shrug

      Maybe you just have too much negative emotion invested and you just need a breather?

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    26. I respect people on both sides of the argument, I have seen plenty of people who like the change show respect to those who don't, you are not one of them.

      The only one full of it here is you, everything you say is negative and aimed at putting down people that have done nothing to deserve it.

      I don't pity you for enjoying yourself, I pity you for how you enjoy yourself, by being a sociopath. While others like Christine and Thomas can at least be polite in there comments, not to mention the pro changers who at least have stated they understand how the other feel.

      The fact that you think my annoyance of you comes from what side I'm on and not from the way you are acting just proves my point about your arrogance.

      As for you being civil, prove it by treating those who are hurt by this change with a bit of empathy, instead of harassing them, you can start with Thomas and Christine.

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    27. Like I said last week someone wrote the same thing about me and said the very people that you arr praising were thr pnes wrong. Im not going to go too much into this because quite frankly you are just weird. Saying Im a sociopath based on a Warhammer argumemt is rich...

      Honestly now i kind of pity you that this really hurts you so.

      Its just a game...

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    28. Listen arbaal, maybe I have been a bit annoyed when it comes to you, we're a community we shouldn't be fighting, but that goes for you too.

      You're getting your way here, but a lot of people are losing something very dear to them, just try not to rub it in their faces so much, they have a right to be hurt by what is happening.

      So enough fighting, if people are sad and hurt, just let them grieve, please.

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    29. You make a lot of assumptions Cooler. You dont know crap about me. You assume I am just super happy about things. You assume i am just acreaming i told you so haha i get my way and that is all your inner self filling in the blanks because text has room for you to read my writings and pick any tone you choose.

      I F in love warhammer fantasy as was. I would rather go back to 5th or even earlier. I collect tons of armies and love the little short stories in all the old rule books. I feel that the worst thing they did for the community was axing the old white dwarf magazine which had community spirit and heart and moves everything to robotic sells driven articles.

      So yeah you are very wrong with assuming im here to just tell everyone off while i pull the arms off a favorite toy.

      Here is where we (Thomas Christine ect) split off... If you wanted Warhammer fantasy to be successful than you buy miniatures and play the damn game. You dont go to a community site and try to make everyone feel just as bad as you. Ive never called anyone a name in this forum yet you see stuff like this:

      "Thomas GardinerJune 30, 2015 at 11:26 AM
      "do people really think we're that dumb?"

      Yes? I credit GW with a lot of things, intelligence isn't really one of them. They changed Imperial Guard to the friggin' "Star Army" after all. And they can't write anything new without putting the words "Death" or "storm" or "blood" into it.

      As to the rest of these rumours, all I can muster is a rueful shake of the head."

      Yeah I find calling someone dumb even a company making choices I disagree with distasteful and not in any way constructive, but I guess my definition of civil may be different.

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    30. Sigh....I give up with you arbaal. As for Thomas' quote, it was a question and the person being implied as "dumb" was Thomas, you call them haters, selfish, you told them they weren't allowed their opinions, and it's your attitude that is "distasteful and not in anyway constructive" so I don't think you even know what civil is.

      But I already said to stop this fighting, and I said it in a polite way, I even said please, but I guess you just can't help being antagonistic. It may be a game but my problem with you has nothing to do with Warhammer but how you treat people.

      Plus is that negativity I hear from you about the Imperial Guard? For shame, I thought negativity wasn't allowed here, but then again you do a lot of things you demand others not be allowed.

      You claim to be civil, but you have yet to show anything close to it. I tried to be civil by ending the fight, but now I know you just want to start arguments, so I'll just have to ignore you.

      You could have ended this peacefully after my previous comment, but you chose to be the lesser man, that is on you.

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    31. In your opinion.

      In short "im going to insult you and then say ok you win but take this one last insult!

      Omg i said you won you should just let me have the last word... Here take more insults then!"

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    32. Imperial Guard? See im pretty sure you even have me mistaken for someone else. I didnt post anything about Imperial Guard. Ive posted maybe 5 things ever and all of the sudden i get a bunch of attacks from you. You know im not the only Arbaal. Its a warhammer name Im sure in a warhammer community you will see quite a few.

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  14. Its not a GW product if there is no "Storm" of any sort in it.

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    1. Sigmars symbol looks like a storm to me with the two bolts coming from it..... They just wanted to be more subtle this time.

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    2. You guys did see the name of the human guys right? (Just checking).

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    3. Lol... "Stormcast Immortals"

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  15. Stop saying fantasy wasnt profitable. It was 18% of GWs sales. No company, I repeat, no company would just toss away almost 1/5 of their profits.

    They will continue to produce and sell old kits because it costs them almost nothing to do so. The cost is all upfront in models. Now it just takes 3 cents of plastic to inject in the mold. Thus, expect seeing the old stuff, at least for online only or direct order for a long time.

    As for people who are currently excited about this, I don't think you're likely playing fantasy now or also play 40k. If I wanted fewer models and simpler rules for kids I'd play with dinky space marines, but I don't and like most fantasy players, I want the huge blocks of infantry models to smash face on the table.

    I can honestly sa, unless something drastically changes from what I've seen so far, I couldn't be more disappointed in GW. And stop saying it had to change because it didn't 18% is still a lot of money for a company that has many many ventures within it.

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    1. Future-proofing perhaps? If the industry is pushing toward skirmish level games thanks to the competitors, GW probably wants a slice of that action in addition to rules that scale up well for much larger battles.

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    3. 18% of sales doesn't = 18% profits.
      If the costs of maintaining stock and producing fantasy outweighs the sales income then yes... it wasn't profitable.

      It's likely that due to larger box sizes, larger range, more shelf space etc... fantasy was more costly to produce/supply than 40k, We'll never know for sure.
      Also there's the issue of future proofing and sustainability. No competitor is going to go to market with their version of space marines, eldar or tau... But human warriors, cultist, dwarves and elves are generic enough to generate more competition, further driving profits down.

      Main point - Sales do not equal Profit.

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  16. Additional fluff, minis, campaigns and warscrolls in box sets ala sheild of baal and sanctus reach? Would be a great way to go imo

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    1. Most likely. I can't see GW passing up the opportunity to print and sell at least SOME books for their new game.

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    2. My hope is for the rules and army lists to stay online with regular Battle.Net -like updates, and for the books to focus on background and hobby. That way the hard-core gamers could focus on games, and hard-core hobbyists could focus on models.

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  17. This is really awesome actually. For years and years people have been saying GW hasn't been doing enough to get new people into the hobby and that they should push smaller model count games since they are easier to get people to buy into...well this is EXACTLY that. Of course people complain no matter what, but GW seems to actually be trying to listen to popular opinion and react.

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    1. It'd be great if they created a game like that -without- removing the rules for a previous game that I have 10+ armies for.

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    2. The New Line Cinema and Warner Bros. contracts had their hands tied for a long time. So in 2015 we get a time-warped catch up on what they wanted to produce for 40k all these years, and now we get the same for Fantasy with what looks like a new business model on top of that.

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  18. i reckon some of the old figures are going to be renamed to unique titles for example high elves will be gone they will be some made up name because high elves are in a lot of other non GW fiction.

    measuring to the model rather than the edge of the base solves a lot of base related problems.

    8th edition was the worst so far! painting hordes of infantry was a hobby killer and then to see your painfully painted horde wiped out by a purple sun! pure turd of a game

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    1. I'm not going to be surprised if its not just "Elves"

      - Elves with Spears
      - Elves with Bows
      - Elves with Great Weapons

      ECT - to cover everything. Then they can ditch the deadweight models that aren't selling whilst keeping the artifact models "usable" :P

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