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Age of Sigmar- The Base Question Answered, New ebooks.....



The question that has been killing the community for quite a long time was whether or not they would have to rebase their models.... The answer is no, any base shape is legal, but new models will come with oval and round bases.


The pic below was released on the Warhammer App this morning.

via Lady Atia on Twitter
https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia
"The new and rebranded products will now come with oval and round bases. However don’t worry, as you can play the game with any base shape"

"The new rules for each miniature will also be in the newly rebranded boxes.
Square bases and movement trays are gone."

"On the 4th of July all the new rules will be available digitally onthe GW website for FREE – It will explain to you how the new game works"

"Don’t worry. Warhammer Fantasy miniatures stay relevant. Old miniatures can still be used, however how you will play them has changed."



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  1. That's all awesome and I'm very interested... but someone missed a call and it's bugging me.

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    1. And why is everyone's Bluetooth always on? You're just wasting so...much...battery power...

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    2. Thanks for pointing it out, now I can't even look at the damn picture -_-

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    3. Missed call isn't as OCD and uncharged battery.

      Bluetooth drains very little battery now with BTLE which judging by the image which came off of an 1080p screen and samsung (evil touchwiz) skin its probably an S4 or a Note 3 which can support bluetooth low energy.

      Seriously to offset the bluetooth drawn just dim your screen slightly.

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    4. My bluetooth stays on so that it connects to my car whenever i get in it... And it's constantly connected to my smartwatch

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  2. Any word on the model scale? The "larger than 40k/fantasy standard" rumor is bothering me a lot.

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    1. From the pics we've seen, you can clearly see they're on 32mm bases (both the Sigmarites and the Khorne dudes), so I'd say they're roughly space marine sized. So not a drastic change in scale by any means, but slightly beefier than what we're used to for fantasy with most models coming on 20mm bases.

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    2. The scale is not changing.

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    3. chaos have always been fairly beefy on fantasy, being one of the few armies whose main troops used 25mm instead of 20mm. likewise the Stormcast are obviously meant to be bigger and bulkier than standard humans as well (being bigger even than the chaos models in the box)

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  3. I'm rather concerned by the bit about "bases are no longer important." At some point, you are going to have to measure something. You can either measure from the standard sized base, which simplified things because they were standard sized and the shape of the thing on top of it was essentially unimportant (as long as it had an unambiguous "front"). If bases are no longer important, I can only assume you are measuring from the model itself rather than the base. Which part of the model? I have Werewolf Treekin which are rather short and squat lacking the branches of the official Treekin models, will that cost me a competitive advantage because I will lose the half inch of LOS and charge range (gained by losing the range for folks shooting at me, but the point is valid).
    -I have Warhawk Riders converted from Warmaster Dragons. Some (the HE dragon) are wide but not deep. Some are not wide, but very tall (the Chaos Dragon), some are short but very deep (the O/G Wyvern) will I have to retire those models because they are too irregular?
    -I have a 5th edition treeman, I have a 6th edition treeman, and I could easily add an 8th edition treeman. All 3 vastly different shapes. Are we still using 8th edition's True LOS? or have we gone back to 7th edition's "Implied LOS"?

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    1. Competitive? Tight rules? Making it easier to use old models? GW?

      BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

      Sorry, couldn't resist =P

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    2. Respectfully, I play Dystopian Wars, and all those models come unbased and therefore have markedly different weapons interactions (even within the same model).

      During my tenure playing the game I have:

      - Measured from individual turrets to the nearest point on the target model.

      - Measured from closest point to closest point on the flanks.

      - And from fore and arc, all whilst remaining within the fire arc of the shooting weapon.

      - And I have measured between the firing of fixed weapons with very specific locations attempting to attack submersibles and fliers.

      With a consistent ruling about what counts and where, measuring from the model is no problem and is part of a system. As a result of the 'irregular' shape of models I have had some ships with phenomenally wide broadside arcs, and others with very limited ones, and I've had turrets firing at different effective ranges on the same model. It's simply, easy and it doesn't lose me a competitive advantage. On the contrary, it encourages me to think carefully about what I do and how I play, and imho adds depth to the experience.

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    3. Just read you measure from tip of model, not base.

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    4. Its amazing how this game has matured. When White Dwarf was a real magazine they had a lot of articles that people now days should read. It was actually written in the rules of old warhammer fantasy if you really argue with your opponent over half an inch than you are taking the game too seriously and you should just let them have it.

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    5. Just read you measure from tip of model, not base.

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    6. Pedant much? Just deal with it! Your base is square his is round does the milimeter really make so much difference in a game that measures things in feet much of the time?

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    7. Imagine being arsed enough to whine about this

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    8. Meh I played a game the other week where it was a couple of millimetres off and I gave it to him anyway, manually moving things, potential knocking of the board and scenery, if they are going to be an arse with this sort of thing then they probably aren't a fun person to play with.

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    9. starts to whine.....thinks better of it.....yeah too much work for so little pay off.

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    10. Yeah I once played a game with guy who would spend half an hour each turn just on the movement phase, making tiny adjustments to the facing of his models. At one stage I was expecting him to pull out a protractor to make sure he had the right angle. He was a serpent spam player too, to make it worse. I threw in the towel at the end of the second turn.

      The game is supposed to be fun for both players. It's supposed to be played with beer and pizza and lots of arsing around. Not tense standoffs about minor rules disparities.

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  4. We need some more information on the rules and some close ups of those mini's .anyone ?

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    1. Your wish is my (actually this dude on Twitter's) command: https://twitter.com/Rhellion

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    2. rules dont sound too bad

      seems like the natural state of army building is unbound? hopefully there will be bonuses for making themed armies too though.

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    3. Waaaay too simplified for my tastes. It's just "show up with as many models as you want, roll dice, first to table the other guy wins." There's none of the nuance or tactical movement of Fantasy.

      Blech. This just looks like an even more simple version of the Hobbit, which is fine if you like uber-simple skirmish games, but that means Fantasy players who like large, ranked battles with a complex, strategic ruleset have nothing.

      Extremely disappointed. Was hoping for a more complex skirmish game.

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    4. true, i unfortunately never got a chance to play games with large ranked armies, but i always loved the aesthetic appeal of all those models ranked up together

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    5. I just can't get over the "take as many models as you like!" thing.

      I've never been one to yell "cashgrab!" but this does reek of a cashgrab. "There's no limits on what you can take in a game, so buy more models if you want to keep up with the other guys! Buy, buy, buy! Who cares about both players having a fair shot, KEEP BUYING MORE MODELS."

      Uch. I should stop posting, I'm legit pissed off at the utter stupidity of these leaks. I should wait to see if there's *anything* redeeming about this nonsense.

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    6. Allot of the rules seem to be dependant on individual units and we still don't know about ranking up and other things. I'd be very surprised if these were the only relevant rules outside the box.

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    7. Far be it for me to step in here, but even as someone of strongly held political opinions opposed to capitalism and the profit motive, this cry of 'cashgrab' is a little stale.

      Of course they want to make you buy models.... that's their business model! Thank your lucky stars they don't want you to buy rules any more as well.

      Now I understand the disappointment and I sympathize... I did post a long thing on the round table of bretonnia about the logic of GW's decision making process which I shall spare you the details of. Nonetheless, please, less nuclear disaster more justified annoyance.

      Have a cider... go for a walk in the park. Carry on playing 8th or 7th or make your own!

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    8. Also worth noting that new site listings still have core, special, rare etc. and that some things have shifted around within those, like carnasaur being in rare. No point having those sections if it's purely unbound.

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    9. That's why I'm normally hesitant to use the "cash grab" argument. But there comes a point when "trying to make an honest buck" becomes "being a dick to consumers."

      This game seems to be "own more models to win." Point limits were always how that was balanced out. With those gone, it literally is a case of "constantly buy models if you want a fair shot."

      And as to playing 8th: ever tried walking into a store and getting a game of 6th ed 40k lately? Because I have. Left the store disappointed and down a train fare. "Keep playing 8th" is not a solution at all.

      And the actual game mechanics themselves are simplified, Hobbit-level stuff. Which is fine if you like that. But I don't. And it's no replacement for a complex, strategic game that I invested hundreds into.

      I know this will just draw the ire of the positivity police who demand that we all adore everything GW puts out, but I'm pissed off. Screw GW. I'll not be buying from their stores until they learn how to actually value their consumers.

      Inb4 "waaa, ragequit, crybaby, hater, waaaa."

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    10. @Thomas - I think were being a little to trigger happy here; I had the same reaction at first before it was pointed out that 40k and Fantasy are also "take as many models as you like"...depending on points value.

      We still have no idea how army selection works, but I'd bet my life savings that it isn't truly "no rules bring as many models from any faction ever".

      Patience is going to be key this next week as we learn more and start to build the whole picture.

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    11. The rules section for building your army has been leaked. I don't see anything about pts limits in there, just a line saying "your force can be as large as you want!"

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    12. Thomas.... I apologise if my comment came across as anything other than respectful. You have every right to feel annoyed, others have every right to be positive. I salute you sir and understand entirely where you are coming from.

      With regards to army formation, I can see that may be a worry. Perhaps the unit card thingamajigs will have details that restrict army sizes?

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    13. Fantasy has never had a point limit on units?

      Whats changed?

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    14. Sorry if I was a bit snarky at you dude, I'm just pissed off with all this. I know GW have every right to do what they will with their IP, but yeah. Anyway, apologies dude, and thanks for empathising =)

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    15. im pretty sure models will still have points assigned to them, and players will still play to an agreed points limit. the "take as many models as you like" is more in reference to army building being unbound i imagine.

      though we wont know for sure until we see the actual unit rules. but i doubt theyre just going to make it a game of "throw your toys at their toys to win"

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    16. @Thomas, that was leaked from this weekend's white dwarf - which is where the rest of the leaks from Twitter are coming from; so its an even MORE watered down version of already watered down rules.

      I expect the actual 4-page quick-start rules to include specifics on army selection, force organization, and points values. No game can succeed without some sort of balancing mechanism, and GW knows that (er...sort of *eldar COUGH eldar*).

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    17. Same rumors came around with 40k unbound rules, but they had CAD rules also... Thomas your being the guy you keep calling out... They will have a method for 10 year olds to play together... Brothers need a referee

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  5. We need some more information on the rules and some close ups of those mini's .anyone ?

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  6. Https://twitter.com/ChumpHammer for pics of the booklet.

    Also looks like free miniature with White Dwarf this week.

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    1. That free mini w/ WD is wonderful. Well played, GW.

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    2. can't really tell much about the model, but i won't so no to a free model! looks like it has a hammer, so im guessing its one of the stormcast

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    3. Most certainly one of the Stormcast figures yes, I would say so.

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  7. I would like to put my army on the big ovals for dramatic poses

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    1. *puts a snotling on an imperial knight base*

      but yes, im going to need to buy some oval bases (assuming they actually start selling packs of the small oval bases) for my chaos army

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  8. agh, i just had to get those magnetic movement trays last month.

    oh well, the gang and i will still play 7th

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  9. I can't believe the rumor mill for fantasy is finally coming to an end this year. At least for my attention span. I do hope I notice Warhammer 9th edition when it's sitting in my FLGS later this year/next year. Cause I'd like to pick a copy up.

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  10. Wait.. The internet said otherwise.

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    1. not this part (points to himself) this part (again points to himself) was one of the first to claim rounds are a thing......other parts of the internet (broad sweeping gesture with his well muscled arms at everyone else) they thought and said otherwise.

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    2. atleast that is what i assume your on about.. (prob not)

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    3. Haha! well round bases aren't coming to WFB they are coming to Age of Sigmar the game of easy mode and bullshizz.

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  11. I'm really happy they are releasing free downloadable rules for EVERY unit in the game currently, I'm sure they'll be some omissions which people will moan about (chaos dwarfs I'm looking at you) but that has allied many fears I had about my armies still being useable. The one issue I keep stressing over is the basing one. For example, I own a fairly sizeable WoC army all on square bases. Astetically the Chaos models in AoS look like they will sit well alongside my existing collection but what about the bases? My OCD dictates having square and round in the same army will just look wrong so im torn on wether to just buy a stack of square bases and base the new models on those (although this raises the question of which size is correct) or rip all my models off and re-base on round. Doing this for one army is heartbreaking enough but what about the other 5+ Fantasy armies I own. When they eventually get round to releasing new models for O&G or Elves (in whatever guise they assume) I know I'm going to have the same dilemma again. The worst is my DoC army, I am absolutely kicking myself for square basing them a few years ago. I play both systems but always leant more towards Fantasy than 40K. Le sigh #1stworldproblems :(

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    1. Be a rebel, base everything on hexagon bases

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    2. i wonder when Doogle will say along the lines of "GW will go out of business if it supplies free rules" like he often says here.....also would be curious to know if his opinion has changed and why....could it be that his pre-conceived-notion is incorrect....surely not.

      InB4counterargument

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    3. im expecting the downloads to be rules only. you want fluff and pretty pictures? get the books

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  12. Reading some of the comments on here, I truly have to question the mentality of some people.

    They take this far too seriously and come across as if these changes are having far too much of an impact on their lives.

    I am truly left scratching my head as to why a game has this effect upon them.

    It was invented as a pass time, a bit of fun and nothing more. If you are constantly having to argue the toss as to wether you are getting a fair deal or what you evisioned or wanted,from GW in the bigger picture. I would, for the sake of your sanity, look for something that exhibits a little less of an obsession for a game of make believe, that isnt so far removed from the games of war we played a juveniles purely for fun!

    This certainly isn't aimed at everyone here but there are some who seemed a bit unhinged with it all.

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    1. Yeah, people get so defensive about their investments of hundreds (sometimes thousands) of pounds and dozens upon dozens of hours. What a bunch of arseholes, actually caring about their hobby beyond "meh, it's just make-belief."

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    2. Thomas you do have a good point, but so does Wolfgang. I understand some people getting upset, but we have people acting like they can no longer pay rent and will be devastated (despite the fact that we have confirmed that rare model they got in '92 is still valid) without their golden game.

      At the end of the day if you're in this hobby, or tabletop gaming in general, you have to understand at some point your edition will change. Some things may become obsolete, or the game itself may just die, as many, many companies have.

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    3. coming from the guy who gets all fighty at the drop of a dice, i truly wonder about you. honestly. before you speak of others mentality check your own out.

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    4. Hey Dark Apostle,

      The difference with myself and it is that I know I am batshit crazy and my friends wouldn't contest this but at approaching 50 I am allowed some leeway!

      I have a collection that even mr gardiner would baulk at fro the days when Citadel sold random white metal miniatures and not one single games system had even been thought about!

      Does this mean I can command and respect or sway - hell no I am someone who chose to spend my money that way!

      and btw its not as if you tried to come across as a bit clever here is it-

      My points raised are still relevant !

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  13. the slider is moving towards not really interested to slightly interested.....i do wonder how this all fits together. hmm (points to himself in heroic and manly posed gesture)

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  14. I think that they wanted to turn warhammer fantasy to a true prequel of 40k....maybe sigmar js he emperor

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  15. AoS rules leaked on /tg/ about 15 minutes ago. Not linking it but the thread is easy to find. 6 phases, looks very similar to 40k, and lines like "The more models you have, the longer it will last, and the more exciting the game will be!"

    Not even joking lol. Go check it out.

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    1. Includes rules that buff units the more models they contain. Sounds legit.

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    2. That has always been a rule in warhammer fantasy....

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    3. I think that's all the stuff from the previously link twitter leaks.
      Man 4chan is a massive pain to navigate. It has to be the worst designed website I've ever used.

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  16. My hope is that the leaked rules for AoS are only for this stop gap intro skirmish style game to get people interested in fantasy. The rules as listed are far too simple at this point. My guess/hope is that there will be a larger main rulebook released in the near future which expands upon the ruleset, giving us a newer version of 9th edition. It may be a mix of AoS and 8th but it will certainly need a stronger ruleset than what we have seen thus far to support this sort of game. Even 40k has a far more lengthy ruleset, and look at its popularity.

    I think GW is trying to allow for a small intro to fantasy in terms of both rules and initial model/$ investment. Then if people like it, they will expand to the larger game. We shall see soon enough!

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  17. Gotta remember guys, nothing is stopping you playing 8th! If your fantasy models are on square bases that just means you can use them in AOS and in 8th Ed. People still play BfG, so I'm sure the fantasy community will still be there

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