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Age of Sigmar Rumors



The Age of Sigmar is on many peoples minds right now, as we are on the cusp of a new gaming system that seemingly replaces Warhammer Fantasy. Information has been very sketchy, and hard to come by for the new game, but today we have a rumor set that jumps right into it.


I dont know how accurate this is, just consider it a rumor with a lot of details.

via SinaLeibniz on Dakka
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1560/643158.page;jsessionid=51B31FC30D34AA2B986626B33A36AB8F#7907717

I had the chance to look thoroughly through the proper Age of Sigmar rulebook (the one that consists of three books) yesterday evening. Spent my time with the three books and ignored the novel in favour of the real interesting things. So I cannot fill in the blanks there. But maybe I have the opportunity to look at the rulebook and novel again and hopefully the age of sigmar box, too. But now I have a way clearer picture what’s coming and I’d like to share with you because I am very (!!!) excited, but I cannot provide any photos for obvious reasons. So if you don’t believe me, I don’t blame you. But please don’t attack me personally.

- Title of the rulebook is: Age of Sigmar: a Warhammer strategy game
- first the basics (most of which are already known):
- full fledged rule system; no skirmish game - meaning not restricted to low miniature count: 50 models on average, way lower possible, in general you use units but you can field an army consisting of only single models
- everything is on round or oval bases (there paragraph that explicitly allows legacy and diorama bases, though);
- 2 books: the rules (rules and scenarios) and compendium (pictures, unit cards and fluff)
- there are unit cards for every (as far as I can see) old unit in the second book, including warhammer forge models and most or all special characters. Some units get the full treatment with a small fluff text, pictures of the actual miniatures and rules, some units get only rules with nothing more.
- all new rules with complete new mechanics: think not of 40k 2nd -> 3rd but Warhammer 8th -> Bloodbowl, very compact and fast paced, huge emphasis on individual champions, magic and gods (don’t know how powerful, but these have the most rule pages)
- no photos (and no artworks except some very generic drawings) of new miniatures except a couple chaos and human miniatures that are very likely from the Age of Sigmar box.
- all the races are in, but some are clearly favored. There are few pictures of beastmen and lizardmen for example and some units like steamtanks, gunpowder units (Skaven and new-dwarfs use them still), etc. can only be fielded as mercenaries from a different world or summoned units (in case of most special characters, there is even a picture of a Teclis painted in ghost colors)
- the tech level is between and ancient roman empire and early medieval times, lots of nomadic barbarian tribes, etc. But judging by to the age of sigmar miniatures the armour design draws only a little bit from history and is has a very stylized high-fantasy design instead
- there are lots of different people, races, gods and lots of different alliances. The world is a lot more open minded than the old one, Empire-Orc Alliance would be unthinkable, but a human-waaghkin force is nothing unusual in this setting

Army building
- you pick one or more gods that determine the theurgic or magic schools (don’t know what the difference is, sorry) you can use and how your champions get power-ups during the game. You can take several gods, but they have to be from the same pantheon - so no nurgle-sigmar armies, but Nagash-Morr is possible.Then you choose whichever unit you want - from every race. There is no limit as far as I can tell.
- The only mechanic that I have spotted that limits the useful choices somehow is that most spells and special rules only affect units with certain traits, the powers of Grimgor (magic and gods are always connected, each lore has a patron god that grants the power) affects only mortals or enemy units in the proximity of mortals.
- There are only rules for one pantheon in the rule book, all the other gods and pantheons are only mentioned in the fluff
- Guardians of Regalia, a conglomerate native spirits and gods and lately some new gods, the incarnates Grimgor, Gelt and Nagash, there are thousand of gods and their relevance changes over time and in different regions, but there are seven big gods that have seven schools of magic associated with them and have rules in the book
- Geshemet or Gesheket or something like this (male and female, fertility, natural disaster) is the head of the pantheon, the other six gods are dual pair of good and evil:
two death gods: Nagahs and Morr
two smith and labour gods: Hashut and Gelt
two war gods: Grimgor and Myrmidia
- five other pantheon get a page of fluff each, and additional minor pantheons/deities are mentioned in the fluff. The big five are Chaos, Sigmar, Cuth’adai (elven gods), Exoatl (old ones) and the triumvi-rats (Horned Rat + 2 more)
- all characters can earn favor of their gods and get promoted just like the chaos champions until they reach apotheosis, this is also a huge mechanic in the game + you can field gods or at least their avatars, but only three incarnates have rules in the book

Rules
- there is only one ruleset (don’t know what is in the AoS box, but in the book there is no distinction between skirmish mode and battle mode or something like this)
- rules have nothing to do with the old warhammer rules,
- profile is: Melee, Range, Might, Armour, Initiative, Resolve, Wounds, values from 1-6, lower is better
- simple turn sequence: initiative -> player 1 unit 1 moves, shoots, casts -> p1 unit 2 moves, shoots, casts -> ... -> player 2 moves, shoots, casts -> melee
- players roll always against each other, for example Melee vs Initiative and Range vs Initiative, Might vs Armour
- units regenerate all lost wounds at the end of the phase
- both sides in a melee fight simultaneously, winner can roll to fight instantaneously another round until one side is extinct or one side chooses to break from the combat
- there is no moral system or combat resolution whatsoever, but unit can be bounced back
- units use a 1” 40k formation without any facing
- magic spells are all one-use only, when you use it, you have to discard the card
- you can collect ascension points throughout the game and spend the point to buff your champions, mechanic depends on your god(s)
- unit costs points as before, you are not allowed to field multiple units of the same kind unless the former unit have full strength - there are all kinds of unit sizes from 1-3 to 3-15 (that’s the highest I have seen), but you can field lots of different 1-man units
- you don’t buy champions, a set number of models are automatically upgraded to champions, but you cannot exceed the limit
- there are rules for different weapons, magic items, war engines, monsters, special rules, etc and a large section for scenarios and terrain, larger than the actual rules


Setting
game is set on world Regalia that is connected with other young realms through portals of the old ones. Young realms are realms that were populated by the old creators and were guided on similar historical paths. They were untouched by chaos but this has changed since the arrival of sigmar (as a new faith) and archaon (as an actual emissary in flesh and blood)

there is no explanation (or just a brief one so that I have missed it) how this all came to be, just a description of the history of Regalia (and to a lesser extent some neighbouring realms)

On Regalia is dominated by hundreds of human kingdoms. Fast travel is possible through a number of stone circles that allows mages to open portal from one to another and a system of streams and seas under the earth that can be navigated by ship. There were a long period of peace curated by the Exoatl (Old Ones) that watched over the world from the North and Southpole. But then suddenly new faiths arrived, lots of human tribes started to pray to Sigmar and to conquer their neighbouring kingdoms. These lands are each independent, but are united in their faith to Sigmar. The history ends with the conquering of the Worlds Edge mountains and the crowning of the first emperor. At the same time, the first agents of Chaos arrived and began to corrupt the native people. A part of the Waaghkins rebelled against the old ones in favour of new gods, the Skaven arrived the first time, and in the south and east a death cult began to spread. The world is in turmoil. There are lots of unfinished story hooks so I think the story will be continued, but that might be wishful thinking.

humans are the majority in this world and they have kingdom and tribes everywhere, most of the known earth-inspired regions like cathay are there, but they are not described as fully flegded feudal nations but constantly changing petty empires and nomadic people ruled by warlords and champions of the gods. there are two factions of humans, the worshippers of sigmar and the polytheistic rest, both are not monocultural, but have different skin colors and cultures. Women fight beside men!

The dominion of sigmar is special, because they are the only ones that are reluctant to allow any other race than humans. They have only one god and their goal is to destroy all other gods and conquer their domains - for the greater good of the world of course. This has nothing in common with the Empire of the old world, except the heraldry, griffons are still en vogue. All tribes and city states and kingdoms are independent, the only common ground is their faith, the emperor is only a warlord with the purpose to expands the dominion towards the east. There a still knightly orders, zealots, witchhunters - so they retain some of their medieval flair but there are no state troops. There is no gunpowder, except from some dwarven imports, but they are known for using large warwaggons on their trek to the east. Kislec, Estalia, Araby, city states of Bretonnia, Norse and tribes of the Reiklands are part of the dominion. There are also some enclaves scattered across the world that are connected with magic portals

The Skaven arrived on their own on Regalia and are basically the same. Haven’t spent much time on them. They have now three gods called the triumvi-rat …..

Dawikorr (dwarfs) and Inneadim (elfs) have their own realms that are connected with Regalia. The Inneadim have outposts in America.

Dawikorr are only a legend on Regalia and nobody has seen them, but there are legends that they aid whorshippers of Sigmar in peril. They deliver the dominions of Sigmar with artifacts. They live underneath the world Karak Korr and guard the Soul Mill. Dawikorr have rules, so they can be fielded.

The Soul Mill is a huge machinery that allows minor deities to feed on the power of dead spirits or let them reincarnate or serve them as guardian hosts. It was built by the surviving dwarves of the old world on command of the Incarnates on a older machinery of the old ones. The dwarfs guard the soul mill and are aligned with Sigmar after the shattering of the Incarnates, but are under siege of the skaven that have found their way on this world and managed to steal two mighty souls that formed their new gods.

Inneadim whorship the dreamers, gods that have dreamt themselves, basically the elven gods. They live on their own world and protect the dreamchild. Under Araloth they founded enclaves on Regalia in search for the archelves, lost gods of their pantheon. They are a darker take on the elves, nightmare are as much part of their culture then dreams. They use necromancy and the death god Ynnead is at the centre of their pantheon. But they still live in symbiosis with the nature. The artwork shows an elf on a feathered mount, not like a chocobo, but more like a feathered raptor. the artbook shows pictures (and rules) from all existing elf armies.

Skaven and Dawikorr are the only races that use blackpowder, the rest of Regalia is on stuck on an ancient/medieval tech level. The Exoatl use magic techno gear. There is a certain level of anachronistic gear but it is not steampunk but powered by ancient magic. The only steampunk elements are in the Skaven and to a lesser extent the neo-dwarven fluff.

Chaos has no foothold in the north but is anywhere and consists of corrupted tribes and companies from every region of the world. The barbarian theme of the nomadic tribes is more associated with khorne than with chaos as a whole. Beastmen and demons are likely part of their faction because they are described in the same chapter (both in the fluff and unit cards), but demons can be summoned by everyone, so I don’t know for sure. And beastmen have very few pictures, so that’s a bad omen.

Waaghkins: orcs, goblins and are the servants of the old gods and live in a strict caste system, orcs are the manual laborers. There is a new race called nigmos: a tall and slender priest caste. Waaghkins travel the undersea, a system of flooded caverns that connects the whole world, on longboats and do the dirty work for the Exoatl. There is an artwork of the three different kinds of greenskins (no squigs and snotlings mentioned): an ork in very strange armour, very front heavy, textured like a symmetric turtle shell, he wields is an axe with multiple disc shape blades, goblin looked like a viking but has a futuristic looking handgun, the third was taller than a ork, female, slender - probably a nigmo. But in the photos of actual miniatures only show the old orc style. There is a subfaction of waaghkins that changed allegiance from the old gods to grimgor incarnate and are much more ferocious than their cousins.

undeads, deamons and spirits, and guardian hosts are used by every faction of the game, necromancy but not summoning is common in the dominion of Sigmar. The Inneadim are famous for their use of animated constructs. These things are not a big taboo in Regalia. However the most fearsome necromancers are (obviously) employed by the Empire of Nehekhara (which is not a desolate wasteland and has no egyptian vibe but is a rich and green country and feels more babylonian to me) and their death gods. But there is no Undead faction per se anymore. Vampires are called Necrarchs now.

Guardians hosts are troops that were granted by a god from another realm or the realm of the dead. They are living beings and have free will, but were brought to Regalia on the command of a deity.


- Lizardmen are not gone. There is a race called Servants of the Exoatl that guard the pole portals on flying pyramids, but no drawings and no fluff page (other races and tribess get at least half a page). They get unit cards for their old units (which confirms that they are simply lizardmen with a new name), but instead of beautiful pages with pictures like the rest of the bunch they get a simple list in the appendix of the compendium book.

Beastmen get the same lowkey treatment, but ogres get pictures and all, but I cannot say with which pantheon/faction they align. They are mortal, so you can use them in any the guardians of regalia army, but I don’t know if this is a stop gap solution or not.


Age of Sigmar box content:
Extrapolated from the pictures, they are the only new models. If you think you get 3-5 UNITS for each side, you are wrong. you get 10-15 (haven’t counted) CHARACTERS per side. Each model is really individual and it is in no way possible to field the majority of them as a visual coherent unit. It is late and this summary is long as it is, so I make this brief, but I will come back later and add some info on the miniatures. Chaos looks very similar to the old style except the berserkers, the Sigmarite Force is completely different.

Missionary Force:
3 Knights of the Order of Sigmars Blood, Roman looking armour but more bulky, leather Bands, swords and teardrop-shaped shields, champion is a woman
a pair of vigilantes: Male and female, leathercloaked, tricorn, 2 hand-crossbows
a hand full of heavy armoured warrior with different weapons and cloaks, almost knightly in appearance but completely over the top bulky, some have eagleshaped helmets
One hooded, chainmail wearing, hammer wielding girl
a bulldog
standard bearer: naked, chains that are hooked into the flesh, very archaic looking
one arabic looking guy with a two-handed scimitar and full armour
one guy in rags that wields a chain that burns at both ends, very impractical looking

Chaos Cult:
two outriders, basically chaos barbarians as we know them, but female
~5 berserkers: african looking, no armour, barefeet, clad in cloth stripes, two axes, bald and gaunt looking, not overly muscular, bone chain, both male and female
three pristesses: flowing robes, sacrifical ziggzagged daggers, skullmasks
two armoured harpies with spears and shields, crooked looking, feathered wings
at least five chaos warriors similar in appearance to the old chaos warriors, very dynamic fur cloaks and poses, one of them bigger on a larger base, all male as far as I could see
one large bloodletter, almost twice the size of a human
the leader has armour that looks like a chaos dwarfish, very babylonic, rides a demonwolf, a juggernaut, but with flesh and fur and spikes
some more viking-like infantry but with more chainmail
That’s only a broad description. Every model is highly individual.

Sorry for the chaotic nature of the info, I spent the evening writing this in a very fast manner. This is only the tip of the iceberg and I will come back with a little bit more soon - hopefully in a more ordered fashion. If you have a questions or need specifics and a topic, feel free to ask, maybe I remember something of use.






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  1. Interestingly Hastings seemed to think that some of this matches what he's heard......

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  2. As a home that has a Lizardmen player and a Beastman player, this is quite disheartening news. I see nothing to excite me here. This is a REALLY big gamble on GWs part.

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    1. This is just a new game. NOT 9THED. This is just a way to get people interested in the models and style without forcing them to buy a huge 100 model army. Im picturing it like warhammer killteam, heroes only.

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    2. This is just a new game. NOT 9THED. This is just a way to get people interested in the models and style without forcing them to buy a huge 100 model army. Im picturing it like warhammer killteam, heroes only.

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    3. I'm keeping the faith that Lizardmen can be in an expansion from another realm but I agree with your concern.

      Frankly, while I like what I'm hearing, my Lizardmen army becoming redundant is incredibly frustrating and I don't think I'll be touching any of this stuff in the near future at least.

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    4. If this was just a new game, they wouldn't be chucking all the army books, would they? It's quite clear that 8th ed Fantasy is no longer current or supported.

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    5. I don't think they squat things anymore but this might be the lowest I've seen GW.. Giving an army second to none treatment should be the standard. But with optimism I want to invest and lizardmen/beastmen are some of my interests as far as my collecting goes.
      We will see how it goes but I won't be making any decisions until I see how many special rules and how different this game would be for learning and teaching my son some day.

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    6. @Matt Blowers: not as big of a gamble as staying with a product no one was buying anymore.

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    7. @ McDoogle - the evidence suggested that Fantasy sold considerably less than 40k, but not that nobody was buying it.

      40k has nearly always been much more popular but they're gambling that this will improve sales. Keeping WHFB the way it was wouldn't be a gamble as from what I've seen, there's no evidence to suggest its sales have been dropping over the last few years.

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    8. facts (no one obviously cares about):
      1. fantasy players are being shafted (you can disagree, but that is what is happening)
      2. 40k players are being shafted (again you can disagree and again it is what is happening)

      i wonder what happens to GW if they totally FUBAR stuff.......i mean they only rely on us consumers to stay in business. they cannot afford to FUBAR anything else in the very near future....but that is the nature of GW. to self-mutilate itself, and then wonder why no one cares about them.

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    9. Gamble?
      Idk

      To me it Sounds Like they are makeing it more like world of Warcraft.
      Copypast from the biggest in fantasy setting games. GW has alway stolen ideas!

      Dont see how this should pick up?
      Unit by unit Games suck.
      Killing of all vet players with a rebase and we changed youre game 360.
      Also not smart.
      Who is going to pick this up? GW doesnt advertis outside of their stores.
      A few posters wont bring the walk by customer ammounts you need to make up for the people that quit.

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    10. They are doing stands at pretty much every major model show and comic con in the uk and the states this year

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    11. ^ while true they have got a lot of leg work to get to even making it seem viable to investors and shareholders. it is a hard sell not only to them but average Joe consumer as well as bitter neckbeard veterans.....so really they can only do what they do. but they are not out of the woods yet not by a long shot. now the real work begins to sell the idea to everyone involved. the real question remains is will those involved "buy" into the "hype".....time will tell. it always does.

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    12. @The Emperor: I love how you say that we can disagree, but that you are right so it doesn't matter :P

      1. How exactly are Fantasy players being shafted? Not all of us read that rumor and go: "Fuck it."
      I for one am interested to see how this goes, and I personally was never invested in the lore of Fantasy, it was super bland and boring. This new stuff seems generic too, but at least it seems more interesting.

      2. How the fucking hell is 40k being shafted? How?!

      Lastly, the "veterans" are just a bunch of whining people who never seem to want to buy new stuff, so why should GW cater to them?
      They should cater to people like me, who like change, who is interested in building my army.
      You "veterans" will call me a fan boy for that, but in all honesty I don't care what you call me, I like the game.

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    13. 1. nice colorful language. how nice of you to comply with the Emperor of Mankind, so many Black Crusades i lost count.....

      2. do i really need to spell it out for you?
      A. not all veterans are bitches whom just complain, some don't visit online sites like this and buy truckloads. (it is among this group GW gets majority of their $$$ from) screw with them and see what happens.

      B. fantasy is no longer fantasy therefore fantasy players (of the game warhammer fantasy) are being shafted. they are not being told about what WILL ACTUALLY happen to their army/s, those that care about fantasy and don't want to see change are shafted.

      C. 40k players are constantly being shafted, tone down half the books, over-power buff the rest, then re-re-re-re-release them all over again but next time it's slightly different...example 15% at max between dex editions.
      3. yes it is newblood that keep GW in business right? i mean those same guys who buy $200 worth of intro stuff and then quit due to hating painting and constructing models. these consumers generally slap their models on Ebay and many of rescue them at major discounts to retail.

      also @ Aurgelmir: aren't you also a veteran? i mean if you are didn't you just contradict yourself..... "They should cater to people like me" implies your not a veteran but "who is interested in building MY army" entitled much? GW caters to whoever buys their products, you may think your a special snowflake but your not.

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    14. i mean seriously, out of all the butthurt folk whom want fantasy to remain unchanged or those that dislike the changes rumored to happen soon, the ones disenchanted with 40k, those priced out of either game universe/hobby, those sick of GW tricks, all can use word of mouth to either help the new warship afloat or help it sink ever so much faster. really what do you think will happen if GW does more to FUBAR stuff than they already have recently? if $$$ is down now imagine the future "then" when they do FUBAR it again. even less players than currently, and more price (which we all know will keep rising until we stop buying) more bloat from rules and fluff. more extremely limited product/s, more frustration. more tears and confusion and endless obvious online comments on various websites.

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    15. I put "veteran" in quotes because there is a special type of people who think that because they have played the game for a long time that they are entitled to dictate the direction of the game.
      I don't view myself as such a person, in fact I view myself as a player of the games, and don't claim to have some sort of special place within the hirarchy of the players.
      As for why they should cater to me, rather than a veteran that don't want to buy models; Well I said it didn't I? I want to buy models, there is more money in me than a "new codex, fuck you GW for making me buy new stuff, and my old stuff is not as good!"-veteran. Not entitlement, logic.

      As for your claim that "not all veterans are bitches whom just complain, some don't visit online sites like this and buy truckloads. (it is among this group GW gets majority of their $$$ from) screw with them and see what happens."

      Now I don't understand your argument, you say they don't come on sites like this, and they don't buy truckloads, but they are the majority of GWs income?! (I think it's a syntax error, and that you meant hey buy a lot, but don't follow sites like this?)

      Yeah, it does seem to change a lot doesn't it? The Fantasy game I mean. But it was never really a very interesting game fluff wise to begine with. (not that I think the new fluff is all that much better, but meh).
      But if the rules changed, but the world stayed the same the same people would complain.
      But rules will always change. 40k 7th VS 40k 2nd are vastly different.

      Your argument about 40k is you opinion not fact. Besides other people complained when there wasn't enough updates ;)
      I personally don't mind the changes and don't agree with you.

      I never said newbloods keep the game going, veterans are important. But there is a difference between a long time player who enjoys new things, and change, and the butt-hurt "veterans" that you seem to be a part of.
      Fantasy seems to be a stagnant game, that sell less than 40k. And logically not everyone will jump ship (as most "veterans" claim), so if you keep most of your players, and get in new players as well, you off set the very few that jumped ship.

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    16. Too much to read so early in the morning.
      But would like to say, I am a 14 year Fantasy veteran who still buys A LOT constantly.
      I don't represent all Fantasy players, but we do exist.

      Also, fluff is a matter of opinion. I love Fantasy fluff. I hate 40k fluff (other than orks). And I'm in and out of 40k every few years as I (my opinion) think the rules are too simple.

      I'm not happy with Fantasy changing, and never wanted it to (wanted End Times to be a stand alone campaign).
      Everyone has their own opinion.
      GW believes it's catering to the majority (and only time will tell if that's true)

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    17. It's hard to cater to everyone though, which is the problem really.
      My point is though that even though you as a person, and even your group is negative to a change, doesn't mean that you or the group are right.

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    18. I completely agree with you.
      It just seems that people are making generalizations and saying people's opinions are wrong; which is heating discussion.
      A lot of players wanted change, some did not. So people shouldn't attack those saying they don't like change.
      Some veterans stopped buying, some continue to buy.
      I do agree that if you no longer spend money on Fantasy, your arguments are weaker. It's not stock you're buying, but a product. Companies don't still sell cassettes because you have a tape player and never bought into cds or digital.
      But, again, some do continue to buy (and support) current Fantasy; and have a right to be very upset.

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    19. @ floor shrimp: exactly. i continue to buy from both universes kits, regardless of the current or future holds for either game system but i also am told to quit whining when the fact remains i am much like Aurgelmir in the fact i don't consider myself to be a gaming veteran in the context given here.


      my comments are often read as complaints.....or i'm being abrasive, but i am actually mirroring many of the other commentators and it increases the perceivable negativity in the community atmosphere.

      @ Aurgelmir: same applies to your group if they are foolishly optimistic at the expense of themselves and the group as a whole.

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    20. also your agreeing with me is irrelevant. it doesn't effect the overall outcome in any way.

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  3. I agree with you Matt, it's a massive gamble. However reading the above, and assuming for a moment its true, was strange because as a Lizardman player from the mid 90s they got me in to the hobby as a whole so seeing them as a footnote is awful, and yet I can honestly say that at least two of the rebrands / rewrites of factions that I'd never really been interested in are sticking in my head as actual armies I'd want to play.... so as you say it's a massive gamble and I'm sad if that's all the Lizardmen get, but if any of it is true, I think I could get excited about it. We shall have to see.

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    1. I have heard very similar to this as the plan for the armies and such.
      The description of the new world/s is near on exact to what I was given.
      The only thing that have me hope, as a lizardmen player, is that evidently some of the races were to be fleshed out down the line, not in army books but more campaign books which further the story, expand on the lands and add in existing stuff with some new.
      Now with what is mentioned here that some races get very little currently- and some of these pantheons etc - I can quite see this being correct as they flesh these things out.
      What my source said fits so nicely into this post, that it makes me think the future releases mentioned are right true. And they've never been wrong with anything yet, so here's hoping.
      I don't want my army to just be a footnote in a new book that they felt they had to put in there..

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    2. No real judgment can be made until it's in our hands and gone through extensive reading, play testing, etc.

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    3. Unless you're McDoogle because you already judged it as the best thing since GW started letting you give them BJs

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    4. ^ Nova: GW doesn't let him....he just does it because he loves it.

      GW asked many times for him to stop giving them BJ's......but he cannot stop himself.... ;)

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    5. From what I read it didn't seem Lizardmen was shafted, so I don't understand the whining.

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    6. I honestly don't know why I read the comments on this site. It's always the same. McDoogle says something then a group of you just call him names. Every time. What's the point of it?
      Are rumours not enough?

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    7. ^ if douchenozzles are gonna douche then we gonna be douchenozzles right back. sad that we live in a action-reaction world. but it is what it is.

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  4. Race and gender diversity in miniatures from GW... this rumour must be false!

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    1. I hope it's not just for that reason!

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    2. Yeah I kid. Keen to see the minis though.

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    3. At least we can both agree that that's a good thing about this! I've wanted black and female models for aaaages. I mean, are female Guards really that hard to make?

      I WANT LT. MIRA, DAMMIT!

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    4. There are companies that make decent female minis. Take a long hard look at the female humans that GW has made in the past before you demand female guard.

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    5. No word on same-sex relationships or mixed-race children.... or why any of this should matter a hill of beans in a tabletop game.

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    6. True, WellSpokenMan, GW's female minis have been... Yeah. But Dark Elves and Dark Eldar have shown that it can be done, and done well! Wyches and Witch Elves are fantastic female minis, properly proportioned and not reminiscent of human-ape hybrids =P

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    7. As far as the games go, tokens would suffice. This is about miniatures from a self-professed miniatures company. Wanting some diversity in the miniatures is a personal prefrence. Making products people want is generally a good thing.

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    8. #2501 - settle petal. Not a social justice warrior. As the aptly named WellSpokenMan says - just a preference to see things mixed up a bit.

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    9. I actually have fluff for my Dark Eldar Pirate Kabal that the two male Archons who jointly rule over it are in a... Somewhat stormy romantic relationship that sometimes to leads to arguments (i.e. civil war within the Kabal). Dark Eldar don't care what you've got down there, they're just in it for the kinky torture =P

      In all seriousness, I'd be totally cool with more diversity in Warhammer models, if only because painting the same Cadian or male spearman dude over and over is really dull. Always loved how Wood Elves had as many females as males in their range.

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    10. +1 Luke

      Sorry for spamming this post so much but folk keep posting at the same time as me!

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    11. If you want black miniatures just paint them black

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    12. @Nova Have you ever tried that? It doesn't look right when the miniature has otherwise entirely anglo-saxon features

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    13. +1 Preston. Makes all your models look like Rachel Dolezal BOOM, SHOTS FIRED, #REKT etc

      =P

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    14. Only models that can get away with being painted black are some of the Catachans, but even that is only an incredibly small number.

      It's a shame really because I like racial and gender diversity in my models.

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    15. can always proxy in Zulu historical 28mm MPPK with imperial guard or xyz. there ya go black imperial guard, want asians, well i got ya covered there as well, what about middle eastern/olive skinned folk? got them covered as well....try historical kits in 28mm, most are a bit smaller scale to 40k but with a bit of work it can work.

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  5. Finally, some substance. Fascinating read.

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    1. Most interesting.....
      If this proves true I'm definitely going to consider getting into this.
      But the rumour needs to be more than 60% true.

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    2. I'm interested, for sure. The increase in diversity among the miniatures sounds interesting. I'm glad to see Lizardmen staying around as well. I get that they aren't a major list at present, but the old ones seem rather important to the plot, and it's good to know that the lizardmen are no longer chained to South America, thousands of miles away from the plot.

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  6. This seems pretty crazy. If true a complete re-imagining of Warhammer, totally different from any of the previous versions from a world, rules and playstyle perspective. But it may work. I haven't had the urge to pick up or play warhammer is a couple of decades, this seems wacky enough to be worth looking at.

    I do find it hard to believe they are moving away from the standard stats etc.. but maybe this is what the game needs, a total break from 40K and previous versions and a complete re-imagining.
    If above is accurate at least all existing units get rules on day 1, which is fantastic. Am sure there will be massive balancing/consistency issues but that is bound to happen with such a huge undertaking

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    1. It's happened before so there is presidence

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  7. Thomas Gardiner your table of rage is now available.

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    1. Thomas is not available at the moment but I have a message from him, in the form of an acronym. He didn't explain what these letters represent but here it goes:

      W

      T

      F

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    2. thomas gardiner was just the name on the reservation. Supposedly it's a party of two. I know you two eat together at the table of fantasy rage often. But by the sound of things, we might need a bigger table...

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    3. I HAVE ARRIVED, PEASANTS! BASK IN THE MIGHTY HEAT OF MY HATRED AND RAAAAGE!!!

      *tears a copy of 8th Edition in two*

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    4. But honestly, I hope people don't just view me as some crass purveyor of nerd rage. It's not so much rage as trying to be a realist and healthy cynic, as opposed to being "UBER-DUPER HAPPY AND POSITIVE WITH RAINBOWS AND KITTENS!" about everything and refusing to even countenance valid criticisms -_-

      *Nyan cats fly across the background*

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    5. lolrandom, realism, and cynicism are a peanut butter, jelly, and fish sandwich.

      No one wants to hear about it, no one wants to taste it, and you're probably weird for liking it.

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    6. At least we have something substantial to talk about and discuss now. :)

      By the way I've heard the new game shits unicorns and they're giving it out for free. The models apparently also paint themselves. Shucks, aren't GW the best! Golly gosh and Jiminy Cricket. ;)

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    7. The lolrandom Nyancat bit was supposed to be for the super happy positive folks =P I assure you, I am a dour, sour-faced Scotsman through and through!

      And god, please don't say that, because I'm now imagining hordes of self-painting Unicorn cavalry and I'm... I'm kind of into it...

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    8. ^ question do you like unicorns.....i mean do you LIKE unicorns?

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  8. I haven't played fantasy for about 15 years but I'd probably pick this up. I guess this is a whole new game. They stretched credibility to my mind by trying to retain some continuity with the old setting. The whole end times thing and the world reborn really raises more questions than it answers. But hey its a new world with new factions and radically different rules. Exciting times!

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    1. It's kind of like the Matrix. The Chaos Gods allow the Old Ones to create a planet, they grow more powerful from the pain and suffering, destroy everything, then let the cycle reset for another round.

      It's enough to give anyone a trip to the shrink. Have a wonderful day!

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  9. Interesting to hear that humanity is the only all-races inclusive option; when we're not inclusive within ourselves in reality.
    If I read that correctly.

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    1. I read it as only the Sigmar worshippers won't mix with others, which is quite reflective of reality.

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    2. Ah, makes more sense.
      Pretty sure I was blinded by disappointment while reading haha
      May buy in a little if friends play; but won't issue my normal GW investing. Sounds like it may not be my thing.
      If this is true, I'll continue to look for 9th

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  10. Honestly the main issue I have with this rumour is that the new stats and turn system may fail to attract 40k players who lets face it are the main market. Some will be yes as they were with LoTRs but alot might shy away.

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    1. But thats a stupid Plan

      If youre hopeing to get 40k players to pick up fantasy youre loseing on the 40k side what you are gaing in fantasy sales!!!!

      In all my years im the Hobby in never meet someone that played, painted & bought stuff for both Systems at the same Time. People put their other Games on hold when they are playing One game.

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    2. Not sure what rock you've been under Seb but I know plenty of folk who work on multiple game systems at once. Myself included.

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    3. He's theoretically somewhat right. If you have X spending money for hobbies, it's more likely a person will spend half of X on two systems than X on each (making 2X total).
      Maybe not at the beginning, but when it comes to expanding armies. Diminishing returns

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  11. This is so whacky I might buy it out of spite...

    Oh wait I'm lying, I will buy it anyway...

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  12. Wow that guy remembered a lot of stuff for just flipping through the rulebook. Either he took pics of the pages, or he still has the book in front of him. Or its GW themselves releasing this info.
    So basically its a streamlined WHFB with a lot less models in the range. Pretty much what was expected right?

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    1. don't you find it odd that 2 days ago we were saying we need more info, and today we strangely out of the blue get virtually everything we need to decide if this new game system is worth it or not. i know i find it odd.

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    2. Quite an extravagant wind up if it is. Not sure I would have the patience or imagination.

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  13. Question:
    - All (most?) current models used
    - Round bases
    - Not 9th

    Will 9th then be round bases? Or will units be provided with both? (Description makes it seem like round only)

    While rumors say this isn't 9th, it's sounding more like "This is new, there won't be a 9th".

    No negativity
    Just discussion

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    1. The popular assumption seems to be that there will be no ninth edition.

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    2. Well, that's upsetting :/ But not surprising.
      Time for one last bulk purchase to finish my armies.

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    3. same info that rethelion from gw rep

      What is the Age of Sigmar?
      · The Age of Sigmar is a brand new system that continues the End Times story
      · This system is a great way for new customers to start collecting fantasy miniatures
      · Existing customers will be able to use their current miniature collections and add to them with the Age of Sigmar

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    4. soz rhellion not rethelion

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  14. Really interesting, I'm sad to see old fantasy go but I'm very interested to see what's coming with this.

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  15. wow.
    Even if it's not accurate, thanks for posting.

    So different it may just work. Some Kings of War mechanics for unit combat, too. Potential.

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  16. The rules sound decent, I can even get behind the fluff - but these names...

    First off "Regalia" - is this a Frank Zappa reference? I mean I know GW isn't known for good names, but c'mon.

    Whaagkin? This is the most creative you could do, did the orcs forget what they were called previously?

    And then last but not least ... Nigmos, a sub-intellect savage species of orcs. Either this is total BS, a bad translation, or GW is ok with being mildly racist at best...

    If the models are cool and game is fun, I'll probably still get it - but these names just seem really subpar from GW.

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    1. Like a pink donation to the dragon in your dreams.

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    2. Haha I'm not sure what that means - but I'll take your word for it :)

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    3. Reread the section on waaghkin; the Nigmos are the tall, slender, priest caste. They didn't give a name to the more barbaric faction.

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    4. I don't know where you guys are from - but if someone in the American south said "Nigmo" it would have a whole different connotation. And it's not good...

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    5. Like some tacky little pamphlet
      In your daddy's bottom draw

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    6. nigmo is a slur for a gay black man. because of this, i highly doubt this whole thing is any kind of true

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    7. Is that for real Scuzgob? I mean I was buying most of this until I saw the term "Nigmo" - it just seems so overt to me that I wrote off most of this rumor.

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    8. its real

      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigmo

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    9. Yeah, they had me going up until Nigmos. Makes me think 4chan wrote the whole thing.

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    10. Was Nigmo from Love Thy Neighbour?

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  17. So is there ever going to be a fantasy 9th edition .... I'm increasingly thinking sigmar is 9th. I play fantasy as my main game and have 3 armies .... Lots of models. I suspect most of them will just collect dust or will remain steadfast in 8th edition.

    This all sounds a bit lord of the rings/hobbit like to me .... A risk which may drive more fantasy players out to other fantasy games.

    Not what I was hoping for, but I'll wait and see before getting too despondent.

    Making fantasy more scaleable and punchy was what was needed. A chance to play to the strengths of 40k, but maintain the large armies if you want them.

    Anyway I'm off to polish my 300 odd skaven ;p

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    1. Same thoughts here.
      My Skaven and Brets now need some final additions tonight.
      My Lizards, Tomb Kings and Vampire Counts will just have to always wonder about what they could have been.

      I could possibly be wrong, but I see myself only buying the rule book and using my 8th models if my friends play. Maybe the random AoS buy to add.
      My Skaven won't be as intimidating at a small count and skirmished. But good thing I have a good amount of jezzails (and they called me crazy...)

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  18. Looks like it's time to dig out the old Mordheim minis. This sounds like it's going to be a good time. Stuff like this lends itself nicely to both campaign play with friends and competitive play at events, and should allow for some really creative forces.

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  19. What actually is this game? that's the question that comes to my mind, if it's not 9th but you can use all your old mini's but there are new mini's etc etc...
    It really makes no sense to me ; /

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    1. i think the "use your old minis" part isnt directly meanins all exisiting units will have rules, but there will be similar units. for instance, if you have glade guard, there will still be "lightly armoured humanoids with bows"

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    3. Yeah I see what you mean, I'm still holding my breath though..
      Just want to see the damn thing now and get all this conjecture over with.
      :)

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    4. agreed, rumours are great, but after half a year of rumours about one specific thing and still not knowing anything definite, it takes its toll

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  20. If the rules for this are simple enough, I might pick it up to play with the fam. My daughter would love the fantasy stuff. Frankly though, this seems way too outside GW's box to be legit.

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    1. yeah what does it for me are mixed gender and colored people in the same army/faction when GW are more about separating cultures and segregating differences....you could call GW a cracker and it'd be accurate.

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    2. segregating cultures, genders and stuff like that is only in the evil mega-nazi-land that is the imperium. Tau are fine with it!

      For a setting such as this hopefully it is true. It could be done, and it was only all-white in old fantasy cos it was from th early eighties (i think)

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    3. yep i bet it will if this rumor is not false read as 4chan trolling.

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  21. "warhammer forge models"
    im sorry, but this threw up a few red flags for me. even with all the money grabbing i still dont think GW will sell FW stuff "officially" or include it in basic rules like this, since the FW resin is too complex for the kiddies and also toxic if you use it wrong (which is the actual reason they cant sell it from their shops).

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  22. I don't actually believe these rumours BUT.... If this were a totally separate game that *co-existed* with a Fantasy game that continued to receive support, I'd totally into it! Sadly, it looks Fantasy is dead =/

    If this had co-existed with Fantasy, they'd have kept everyone happy! We'd have blocks of infantry with a nuanced movement system, AND we'd have a unique Fantasy Skirmish game! If GW had done this, and kept us informed of it, I'd be throwing money at my screen right now! As it is? Well... Y'know.

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    1. My silver lining - Fantasy funds now diverted to a new desktop that can run Warhammer Total War beautifully (and probably save me money...)
      8th lives!...digitally!

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    2. The new mechanics make this sound like a stand alone game to take the place of the Hobbit/LoTR more so than a direct replacement of fantasy. We shall see what happens. If this is all true and completely replaces 8th, I'll stick with 8th. As an addition to standard fantasy, this could be fun. I agree. As a replacement, it sounds ludicrous.

      As others have said before, if you want to bring in 40k players, why create rules that are further from 40k than fantasy has now? Round bases and unit sizes I get, but the other stuff sounds completely foreign.

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    3. Thinking about it, why would they pull all army books if this wasn't a replacement?

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  23. also, the word "nigmo" is throwing up huge warnings for me. see:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigmo

    i think this whole thing is a troll

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    1. ...... wow. Thats not a good sign that these rumors are true.

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    2. Wow. Really. Far out some people go to a heap of trouble. Well hats off I guess. They got me.

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    3. If these rumors are true.. there's going to be some name changes. I personally hope its a troll now too... what with the Forge world models and after learning what "nigmo" means.

      Ahh, I need my salt shaker.

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    4. plus, the source of this rumour has been on dakka dakka for 3 days and has a grand total of 2 posts. a credible source if there ever was one

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    5. Ya this is confirmed fake now, not sure why it hasn't been corrected lol

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    6. Ah, trust 4chan to come up with a word that manages to be racist AND homophobic at once!

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    7. Really Nigmos through you off? A fake made up word in our modern butt hurt over everything society lol that's kind of pathetic

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    8. its made up sure, but its clearly a portmanteau between the n-word and homo. if this offends people i dont think theyd be butthurt about it, theyd be justified

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    9. i love it when people say "made-up words"

      "unlike all those other words that occur naturally in the wild"

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    10. A wild contraction has appeared.

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    11. I hope you mean contradiction.

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  24. IF this were all true...I would be very disappointed. Mostly because none of that sounds cool to me. With fresh eyes, a fresh approach, that just doesn't sound like a game system I would want to play.

    At this point I can't imagine what they're expecting to accomplish.

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  25. As someone who has avidly played Warhammer fantasy for the last six years and who comes from an area that has a thriving community in that system, my main concern is that it sounds as though they are completely inval as someone who has avidly played Warhammer fantasy for the last six years and who comes from an area that has a thriving community in that system, my main concern is that it sounds as though they are completely invalidating the scale of armies that those of us who do play eighth edition fantasy already possess. I have a large infantry heavy empire army, that I spent a lot of time effort and money putting together and painting. If this new system is designed to be played with between 15 and 50 models per player, then what the heck am I supposed to do with the other 150 to 200 models from my warranty existing Empire army?

    If this new system is designed to be played with between 15 and 50 models per player, then what the heck am I supposed to do with the other 150 to 200 models from my warranty existing Empire army?

    This doesn't sound like a spinoff expansion type game, it sounds as though games workshop has decided to change the entire's system style and format of Warhammer fantasy to make it more in line with war machine h this doesn't sound like a spinoff expansion type game, it sounds as though games workshop has decided to change the entire's system style and format of Warhammer fantasy to make it more in line with war machine/hordes and other smaller skirmish games. There are a number of us who enjoyed having actual armies clash instead of a collection of tiny groups of heroes. And other smaller skirmish games. There are a number of us who enjoyed having actual armies clash instead of a collection of tiny groups of heroes.

    While I understand their desire to try to move to where the market currently is, as they really are the only massive game of their scale at the moment in terms of model count for a fantasy battles game, I feel that if as they really are the only massive game of their scale at the moment in terms of model count for a fantasy battles game, I feel that this is a mistake.

    While this new rule system does sound quite interesting, and I don't have anything against it, it does sound very time-consuming compared to eighth edition Warhammer fantasy. We already witnessed with seventh addition Warhammer 40k A dramatic increase in the amount of time it takes to play a game due to their adding more opportunities for players to roll dice. The description of this new rule set sounds as if The length of the game will increase exponentially as model count increases.

    So while this may spring initial interest in Warhammer fantasy, I feel that the desire of any one individual player to collect more than 40 or so models to make an army Will be nonexistent. It's possible that they are going to change their business model to sell individual character packs like the plastic clampacks we have been seeing in 40 K instead of selling unit boxes, but that entirely invalidates their existing inventory and so seems to be a puzzling decision.

    I'm all for new fluff and a new rule set, but I'm not interested in picking up "warmachine-fantasy".

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    1. I think the OP alludes to the new game scaling up well for bigger battles. Probably nothing to worry about.

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    2. Sorry for the disjointed text, I posted from my phone and Siri is a bitch.

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    3. Mmmm bigger battles in skirmish style.....
      Auto-win: opponent concedes as I spend an hour moving hundreds of skirmishing skaven.
      Auto-lose: only one unit fits into my deployment zone...

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  26. Did anyone notice that the OP's description of the technology level of each race in the new game has not changed AT ALL? That could have been completely left out. We already know the Empire, Dwarves, and Skaven use blackpowder weapons. I'm not sure what the point was there.

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    1. no the new humans dont use blackpowder, and that the steampunk style has gone. So it has changed.

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  27. Hmm. Sounds made up.

    Some seems OK, but a majority of it is absolutely ludicrous.

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    1. So the post originates from 4chan and is clearly a troll. They say that the new elves have an outpost in America, and that new goblins are Nigmos (racist, homophobic slur). This is all really typical 4Chan trolling.

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    2. so i DID read this on 4Chan the other day..... or somewhere.....didn't think natfka would report on it though but it is news even if not true or is a trolling article.

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  28. WHAT MANNER OF FRESH HERESY IS THIS?!?!?! I can't get my head around it... will have to see it when it is released but it all sounds really weird... Glad to see that the Lizardmen aren't gone entirely though

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  29. Well, this looks.. AMAZING! I am very excited now.

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  30. codex dark angels cover:

    https://twitter.com/Lady_Atia/status/610919263487045635

    thanks at master sheol ;)

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    1. Yeeeeessssssss...

      Y'all can't hear it over text, but that "Yeeeeessssssss" sounded lecherous as hell.

      WANT.

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    2. and...
      - At the dusk of a new age...
      - ..we are celebrating warhammer.
      - New mission: hunt The Fallen

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  31. WHAT MANNER OF FRESH HERESY IS THIS?!?!?! I can't get my head around it... will have to see it when it is released but it all sounds really weird... Glad to see that the Lizardmen aren't gone entirely though

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  32. This seems quite legitimate considering the loss of the LOTR franchise in a year or two, lack of GW corporate interest in continuing to use non-copyright-friendly generic fantasy names, and a new games system/lore which allows to high quality smaller model runs playing directly into the "minis not gaming" line they have been pushing of late. The fact they will run out of 40k codices to re-re-re-release soon also bodes well for a more relaxed 40k schedule in the near future.

    Hats off and good luck, I hope it turns out to be a winner.

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    1. nah they will then re-re-re-re-release the codex's....same as usual. if they have to make 40k an annual edition only- i wouldn't put it past GW....

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  33. Why don't we all put away the salt and the whining and just fucking wait?

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  34. Awwwww maaaaan!, if this is fake (the Nigmos thing could be a typo) then I shall be severely disappointed because ALL the models in that boxed set sound like stuff I could use in 40K!

    We need more womenz damnit!!!

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    1. It's weird how they make a big fuss about gender and racial diversity in this post and then use a really horrible slur like "Nigmo." Uch, bloody 4chan.

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    2. From what I've seen, when you get a rumor that is this large, it's almost always wrong. Add to the fact that this one is from 4chan...

      I do like the idea of some overly bulky good humans on knights clobberin' things to death though....

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    3. Never heard of it untill now, but I'm still hoping its a typo. Norgmo's would be better if not a bit cheesy... Either that or GW have never heard of it either and have made a MASSIVE flub.

      Still those models sound like an awesome Inquisitorial Retinue. The chaos stuff is just... Well Chaos. Cultist stand ins, female Sorcerers formy Tzeentch or Slaanesh, Daemon Heralds, Chosen, etc... And they would even have the round bases...

      Shame really :(

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    4. i tend to write a lot of fantasy, every time i have to come up with a new name for a thing or person or place, i always make sure to look it up in case its already a thing

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  35. Well... if these rumors turn out to be true - I'm done. It is clear that Warhammer 8th edition isn't going to be supported anymore by the withdrawal of the Army Books and if Age Of Sigmar isn't 9th edition, then I think its safe to assume its not coming - the rule books have been removed and that will include any support for the system. The shift to small warband sounding gaming is a fundamental one that I already know from past experience with other systems I won't enjoy very much.

    For me this heralds the end of a 23 year love-affair with Old World and its charms. I hope that new (and old) fans will enjoy this new turn Warhammer has taken - but I know that won't be me.

    Lay down your arms Sigmars men
    There is no fighting left to be done
    No great war to be won
    By our creators will we be condemned

    The Oak of Ages has fallen
    The fair rose of Bretonnia has withered
    The Great Ocean barren
    and the Old World splintered

    Old World - I mourn thee

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    1. I suspect that Warhammer 9th will come but in the form of rules related to War of the Rings and Hobbit.

      So:
      Age of Sigmar == Hobbit skirmish style battles
      "Century of the Gods" == War of the rings

      NOTE: I made the names up, partly.

      Keep calm and roll for initiative.

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    2. "Keep calm and roll for initiative"
      That made me chuckle.

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    3. War Of The Ring was utter crap, though.

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  36. I will reserve judgement for screenshots and release,

    This guys obviously used his imagination and put a bit of effort into this but 'America?'..no way

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  37. Consider me thouroughly disappointed. Mimiatures sound crap too - no uniformity, cheesy design, horrible premise.
    I'll stick to heresy now thanks.
    Anyone wanna buy 3000 points of dark elves and 3000 points of chaos warriors?

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  38. Sounds like bologny to me. Nothing in that post sounds anything like something GW'd do. Way too out of left field. I'm thinking social engineering/prank from a 4chan douchenozzle.

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  39. Unit Cards?

    Sounds reminiscent of Hormachine.

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  40. So, are Elves not called Elves anymore? Balls. I have 3 Elven armies...

    In terms of picking gods, it reminds me of the old Wargammer RPG system.

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    Now everyone decides to stop fantasy and play kings of war because this is a terrible idea.
    Note: bretonnian player here

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    1. with what KOW are doing i imagine many former warhammer fantasy players will go play that and largely avoid AoS. it appears they are doing what the consumers are essentially begging GW to do and have armies largely compatible with the current warhammer fantasy armies/miniatures as well as their own armies that can be used along side GW miniatures....so it seems like a win-win-lose situation (GW is set to lose this time)

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    2. these rumours are fake, theyre from 4chan

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  42. So GW bought the Kings Bounty IP and Heroes of Might and magic IP? or nobody see the resemblance...

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  43. How mad would everyone be if this was just some stop gap game to fill in until 9th edition is released...say in a year or 2 (6th - 7th ed 40k)?

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    1. I honestly don't think 6th was ever intended as a stop gap, I think they intended it to last as long as 5th.
      But during 6th they came up with a lot of crazy ideas, released mostly in supplement form (Escalation being the big one), and because of this they saw a need to update the rules to fit all that in.
      At the same time they added more changes that would allow for a lot more variation.

      That said, if this did turn out to be changed again in 2 years people would be pissed. I think most players want things to stay the same for 3-5 years at a time, while still yelling that they never get updates :)

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  44. Has anyone else noticed how lame these new names are, I mean come on the world is named after the pope garments at his coronation coronation. I am calling gorse dun on this rumour

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  45. Has anyone else noticed how lame these new names are, I mean come on the world is named after the pope garments at his coronation coronation. I am calling gorse dun on this rumour

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  46. "No facing" - so warhammer fantasy lost it's only appeal to me.

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    1. But with his claim to have inside knowledge and all it would seem he would use the terms that are common in WHFB now, which seem to be lacking, and being from 4chan it is highly suspect as well.

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  47. i am going to repaint my woodelves as nigmos

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    1. ha ha ha ha ha ha classy/classic. do a blog article on them :) 11/10 want to see this.

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  48. At least it looks like I'll be able to pick up an 8th Ed Lizardmen army off ebay easy enough from all the rage quitters

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  49. I wil be fully switching to kings of war from mantic now. Mantic even hinted that they will be releasing army lists for all current whf armies. So my armys wont be absolete

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