This one has been on the forefront of our minds for a long time, since the tyranids release. How should GW handle model releases for codices, especially new models. We all know of the Chapterhouse debacle, so there is no need to go into the specifics, just to much rumor and innuendo to really discuss it here right now.

So will the idea of waves of releases go by the way of the dinosaur? Lets look at the rumor given to us by Larry Vela.

Please remember that these are rumors

via  Larry Vela at BOLS
The era of multi-waves may be headed for the trashbin.

The birds have been chirping, and they are saying that once 6th Edition is launched, the entire multi-wave concept for miniatures may be over from Games Workshop. There is talk that the Chaos Marine codex will launch with all its units, or at least have them shown in pictures in the codex.

So lets look at this. I had heard that we will see Chaos Marines in two waves. The first one being every new models that is needed being released with the codex along with some redone models, and then there would be a finecast upgraded wave a month or so after the codex release. Now, do the two rumors correlate? I think they do.

Games Workshop may with the coming of 6th edition make sure that every new codex has all its new models in line, and release them all at the same time of the codex. This would certainly allow for new models to be redone, in fact, they may even wait to redo models, or upgrade metal models at a later time.

My only concern with this would be that we might not get all the new entries of an army in the codex. Some may be left out, so that we could get less of a codex.

However, if the latest trend is really going to go this way, we could see additions to codices through White Dwarf. GW has been testing those waters now for quite some time, from the Sisters of Battle White Dwarf release, the eldar vehicle I can't recall its name, and the latest white dwarf flyers.

Does getting every model released to the codex in one wave make sense?

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  1. I believe, commercially, it does.
    Look at the Thunderwolves for example: only the lasiest of the 3rd party studios haven't produced their warwolves/wolf-mounts/etc. Imagine all the money that went past GW, until they FINALLY released *official* Thunderwolves.

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  2. Hope they don't do to some codex's what they did to tryanids, half the book would be empty if they didn't add in the unit if there was no model for it.

    Personally I don't think they will say, if there's no model for it then its not in the codex and leave it out. They may well later bring out new models that aren't in the codex (like with fliers) but I don't think they will take away units without models from the codex, it would just make it way weaker than it is intended to be.

    Also? Conversions. On several occasions in GW I have said to staff, "why don't half the models in this book (guard/nids) have models for them on your shelves?" "to convert them myself!" I was told which is a valuable part of the hobby apparently(and of course sells in some cases multiple model kits).

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  3. Every army list option should have an available model for it. Especially new units!!!!
    Yay, next codex, new units, oh no model, or even a clue what it looks like.....

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  5. And when you say White Dwarf is testing the waters, you mean possibly returning to it's roots and actually being a hobby may, rather than a monthly catalogue?
    Ah, I remember those days when half the rules seemed to be in White Dwarfs (suitably feeling old now).

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    1. Bring back the cardboard-centre era!

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  6. Eldar vehicle was Night Spinner, or Nightspinner. Think it was two words.

    As for 'wave releases' being history. I can only say: I HOPE SO!

    To quote Queen: "I want it all, I want it all, I want it all, and I want it now."

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  7. The problem with lots of rules being published in White Dwarf is that you then end up with scattered rulebooks and that's not helpful for gaming. I don't want to turn up with a codex and 4 WD's just to play with my army.

    I agree that WD should have more of the hobby in it each month. I used to love the days of conversion tutorials and 'eavy metal projects as well as things like "this is how you make Tau themed scenery" articles.

    WD is definitely missing something these days.

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    1. And as if in answer to all your worries the Lord gave us the internet and PDF files...

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    2. and before that, photocopiers

      and even earlier, scissors.............

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    3. Indeed, but then you still have lots of different rule sets to corral together.

      I'd rather just have a single book for my army's rules. Everyone is different of course.

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  8. If any of you are good with this sort of stuff -would putting a picture of the actual model in the codex give them rights to it? And if so, would that right still work if the picture was of a conversion, or a scratchbuilt model? If it is, then I think the way would be clear - put pictures of conversions in the codex, if they don't want to show the actual model (or release one), or a picture of the actual model if it is going to be released soon.

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    1. Not really, but the copyright/trademarks done during development stage would do.
      You can be sure they have a raft of copyrights for ideas that might get included now, in the future or never, but just in case.
      In itself, just publishing a picture of something doesn't actually give you any rights without a formal copyright/trademark submission.

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  9. I noticed something: every entry on the codices that have an accompanying art got a codex. Those that don't did not. For example, On the Necron Codex, Orikan, a non-pictured unit, did not get a model while Nemesor Zahndrekh, pictured, did

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    1. Ok yeah, maybe they will do something like that and try to force third party companies out of territorial crossings by not helping them with design

      Frankly, i dont feel sorry at all for gw for being in this mess, if you cant produce then step out of the way, dont try to make me feel guilty for shopping third party modells when yours dont exist or are horribly looking

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    2. That didn't hold for the DE at least: the Baron and the Decapitator (the Mandrake SC who nobody plays anyway) both had artwork but no model. However, it's possible your trend holds on a longer timeline, like it did for Tyranids, where the Tyrannofex had artwork in the codex but we didn't get the model until two years later.

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  10. One of the first white dwarf's I bought had the how to build The Space Marine Spartan in it.

    The advantage to WD rules is then GW can then do a yearly Conpendium that brings all the rules from year into one book, or you could cut the rules out and put them in your Codex?

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    1. Back to releasing Chapter Approved books? Not a bad way of doing it.. And more $$ too

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  11. I think if GW is going for split codices, go all the way: Put in the datasheet of each unit into the box it comes in and sell folders to collect them...

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    1. That is how they do Dust Tactics. But the stats are different for Dust Tabletop.

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  12. Not really news, GW already said this at Games Day 2011???

    You can go here to view the Games Day developer seminar:
    http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=93326&page=238

    It's about halfway down the page, 4 parts.

    It's still informative on many levels, eventhough it is getting a little old now.

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  13. I can still taste the disappointment from the last Chaos Space Marine Codex, like bile pushing up your throat. The new Codex better be soothing, a lot of gamers are still holding down their dinner by sheer force of will.

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  14. It actually makes some sense. If, on a release of a Codex, they simply release all the shiniest and newest models with that Codex, then they are covered. Models that need to be redone can be redone in a later wave. This would cover all the copyrights. For example, when Chaos releases, I'd expect models for Cultists, the Harbinger, and any new Daemon Engines. They could, however, skip over things like Plague Marines and Khorne Berzerkers in favor of updating them later because those two kits already exist and therefore don't need to be added from the outset. Then they could take their sweet time in making those updated models.

    Do I like it? Yes and no. It'd be great to have everything an army offers right from the getgo (coughHydracoughHarpycoughVoidravencough), but I'd also like to see some really old, junky models updated sooner as well..

    Plague Marines, for example, are terribad.. A whole head shorter than regular marines! Jeez they need an update.

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    1. Chaos Harbringer Bomber? Is that what you meant? You do realise it engulfs CITIES in a SEA of FIRE? And that it's about the size of a Tau Manta?
      The only good thing about finecast plague marines is that they're so corrupted you can't tell when you got a miscast. :D
      Abaddon also needs an update. Our army is led by an armless dwarf with serious anger problems. Have you noticed how, in our codex, he is never shown on the same level as any normal marines?

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    2. The Harbinger is the supposed name for the dragon thing.

      And I'm totally fine with my army not being led by Abaddon at all. That model is so... derp at this point. It might have been awesome when it was released, but yeesh... the topknot... oh gods the topknot...

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  15. And it only took them... (loses track of counting) to figure this out?

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  17. I think the assumption that less waves means fewer codex entries is a sound one. I had a conversation with Jes at GD UK 2011, wherein we were talking about the whole Chapterhouse thing and how it's meant that he can't let people take pictures of his sketches anymore. It seemed from the conversation that, in order to protect against people like chapterhouse poaching codex entries without GW models, GW was going to start putting less in the codexes.

    This makes me phenomenally sad as when the nid codex came out my mind reeled at all the new entries for which we could now convert models. Less entries means less opportunities for creating your own thing.

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