Ok, so they called it Charger Actions. We over here on Faeit 212 already know of a rule like this and we have been calling it Snap Fire. So Lets take a look to see if there were any differences in what they know or what we know.


First off, I do not know if they are just speaking of snap fire or they have a different source. I am hoping they are discussing a different source, and the fact that they did not mention "snap fire" by name is leading me to believe their source is different than ours.

From Beasts of War
"Charger Actions" Stand and Shoot
The unit getting charged if equipped with pistols, and probably assault weapons and rapid fire weapons (but not heavies) will get the chance to fire at opposing units as they charge into close combat.

The Ballistic skill for these will be at BS1. Flamers will rock for this kind of shooting.

That's all they said.

Did they hear it from a seperate source? If so that is a very good confirmation of what we are going to see. Otherwise its nothing new.

On a side note, I was curious on average what one of my 10 man Purifier units would look like with snap fire. 4 psycannons and 6 storm bolters. Approx 1 psycannons hit, 1 wound, and probably 2 storm bolter hits with 1 wound. That's rally not much to even consider from assaulting a 10 man unit. Not a single dead marine.

On the other side, a Konrad Curse from the videos, his 5 chosen with plasma guns, 10 plasma gun shots, we will say 1-2 hits, and 1-2 dead.

While snap fire seems very cool, I see it being more important to larger units that really do not want to be assaulted. Like 30 man IG blob squads.

On the flamer side of things..... Wow, you mean that if I want to assault, I am probably not going to want to charge straight into several flamers? Might have to hit them from the side, to hopefully avoid some flamer death. Sounds like some cool tactics on this one......

Of course on the flamer side of things.. If I put them up front they can flame that unit assaulting me, however, they would also be my first casualties vs shooting.... hmmmmm

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  1. Nids. Are. ****ed.

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    1. If you really can fire flamer templates when you do this, that is really, really gonna suck for bugs.

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    2. between this, random charges, and the knew casualty rules I actually cant ever see gaunts and gants getting into combat.

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    3. Nope, it's not BS1. It's the usual 5-man Tac squad firing 10 AP5 shots into say Genestealers. That's 1-2 dead Stealers even before charge begins. Not to mention flamers...
      So considering this, 6th will be shooting game, or you only want to assault with TH/SS Termies or something equivalent.
      Tyranids are already ****ed, it's hard to imagine that anything besides a new codex could help them...

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    4. dobi, there is a good chance, I cant say from what I am basing that off of, that assault distances are bigger. Meaning you will get into assault faster in 6th edition.

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    5. I am not so sure how the flamers will be good. It really depends on how random charge range is done. But if I am 6" away and charge I will hardly get hit by the flamer template now will I.
      And what if template weapons cant bi fired?

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  2. BS1 does not make much sense, suddenly marines or necrons are equally terrible shots as orks, just because they are under pressure? Does not compute. BS-1 would make more sense, but would likly be too powerful.
    Also, if the rumor regarding the Preferred Enemy / ranged combat interaction is correct, you will never ever want to charge a unit of destroyers, because their snap fire would decimate everything.
    Also also, weapons with different modes like sonic blasters or psycannons would get a massiv buff.

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    1. The way I see it, Snapfire is just as what it is says! Not aiming, just bringing the gun up quick to bear and bang!

      So a BS of 1 is beeter for than BS -1

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    2. So Space Marines hitting on 6 is better than hitting on 4? Sir your math is incorrect. It may balance the game out by being at BS 1.

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    3. Better to shoot at charging enemies with BS1, than not to shoot at all.

      If I came running at you with a hammer, and you had a gun, would you just stand there while I cracked your skull? Or would you shoot me before I got close enough to hit?

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    4. Well of you were being assaulted by a Hive Tyrant in real life I doubt you would exactly stay perfectly calm to accurately hit it. Ise this more as"Hey everyone watch me no-scope this genestealer with a lasgun!"

      Call of duty reference If you didn't know...

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    5. Long ago when I was but a squid I played the space hulk computer game.

      Oh the fun I used to have wandering those creaky old corridors.

      Then they came!

      One, two, three genestealers. My response as they ran along the corridor to rip my face off was always the same:

      FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! Oh poo I've jammed! Rapid hitting of the control button only to see my powerfist moving in slow motion as a genestealer rams three claws into my face.

      "Avenge me!" cries the marine as the screen turns black.

      Looking at the tactical map, sounds of storm bolter fire reminding me I'd left some termies on overwatch. Ah the relief......or so I thought.

      "Avenge me!"

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    6. I personally do not like this rule. Is there no penalty for snap firing? Also, hitting on sixs seems dumb, as then space marins, orks, and a vindicater assasin and a phoenix lord (bs 7) hit at the same ballistic skill. This could as mean that if you charge and the opponent has good roling, kills three guys, which according to other rumors are the ones in the front, suddenly you are out of assult range...

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    7. My reply had nothing to do with math, just common sense. Bring the gun up and shoot, if your lucky you'll hit that target. No where did I say a '6' was better than a '4'.

      As it is stated above, at least you get a shot off at something rather than stand there absorbing the charge.

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    8. I dunno, BS of 1 for snap fire seems to be one hell of a penalty, don't you think?

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    9. If you have to make one quick shot before your trampled...BS 1 seems like a fair price to pay

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    10. But will there be a penalty for chsing t snap fire at all, or to not snap fire?

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    11. Perhaps, since it's a reaction, if the squad was on overwatch and the attacking squad moved into range, you can only do one or the other. So if you're on overwatch you do not get snapfire.

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  3. Anon-E-Moose BobMay 19, 2012 at 8:00 AM

    Necrons are looking more and more deadly.

    Gauss weapons will destroy vehicles by glancing hull points away.

    When the enemy charges they get shot in the face.

    Now we know why you would give Triarch Praetorians pistols. Same with Wraiths. Deadly on the assault, and deadly if assaulted.

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    1. But we still don't know why we would GET triarch praetorians...

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    1. Similarily, a royal court of 5 harbingers of despair for five S8 AP1 flamers. I doubt there would be many things willing to charge them. Cheap, too.

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    2. So, you would shoot those silly units off the board instead... ?

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    3. BURNA BOYZ!!!

      That was the first thing I thought of too ;)

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  5. Burna bozy will be evil....... Assaulting 10-15 flamers is suicide..... I love it

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  6. Uniform BS 1 would be a dumb way to implement this rule, which I'm otherwise for. BS penalties would be the way to go to reflect different skill.

    The other part not yet revealed is what you may give up for "Charge Reactions," not Charger Actions, as they were called. Do you give up anything to stand and fire? What if you lose your ability to swing back in CC? Still have to wait and see.

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  7. This rul seems okay. At least it gives you a tiny chanc to soften up that Deathstar assault unit before you get nurgle raped.

    Also you would think for all these rumors BOW had been pushing out these last few days we would get some PICTURES >:(

    Also that pcture for this post says"YOU SHALL NOT PASS!"

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  8. Snap Fire is something different from shooting in charge reactions.

    For more info on charge reactions, see Fantasy 8th.

    Tau FTW!

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    1. Currently at this moment, snap fire rumors that are circulating everywhere for 40k are identical to what BoW are calling charge reactions. What its called doesnt matter in the end.

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  9. Lot of reactions, cba to read em all, sorry. Anyone else notice how 'Charger Actions' sounds exactly like the WHFB 'Charge Reactions' if you say it out loud?

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  10. "charger reactions" just noticed how ungrammatical that phrase sounds

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  11. Snap fire seems realistic, BS1 would balance things because BS-1 would be too powerful. But, referring to another comment, and talking realism, maybe MCs should have some "aura" that prevents snap shot. I don't think any Space Marine would bee foolish enough to try to shoot at a charging Carnifex or Trygon.
    But again, we did not see the whole rule, so everything is just speculations.

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  12. Yeah, wyches will fething love this rule. Oh-come on - shoot at T3 6+ targets, or they will tear you apart with their mighty S3 atacks.

    Hope there will be some way to negate this thing.

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  13. Kinda makes me not want to charge a Chosen squad with 7 flamers now...

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