I have not yet confirmed this, but was searching everywhere for rumors today, and saw this. Games Workshop has apparently updated the Psyker App with no additional costs associated with it.

It has been confirmed that there are costs associated with the new chaos powers app.

This adds the Chaos Space Marine psyker powers to the original app. This came from Flammenwerfer13 over on the  Bols forums. (Note that I edited out all the drama out of his post, no queens allowed here: ) )

Sweet! I was hoping GW would actually do this for those who spent $12 for the app. Looks like long term the relative price of the app will go down verse the amount of utility it provides goes up.


I'm still really surprised they actually updated the app to begin with AND you didn't have to pay for the new Chaos powers.


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  1. That is good news. Now, if I could only get the app on my Samsung.

    Bellumvinco

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  2. I took a look on my wife's iPhone and it said it was something like 3.99 extra. When you think about it paying for the app is only like buying the cards. You don't need them but they're handy.

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    1. So the better Powers Cost more? :D

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  3. Yeah, the new Chaos powers aren't free.

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  4. So I bought the app on a lark right after it came out. It's kinda neat - not neccessary, but a fun little widget. Was kinda bummed that it didn't have codex powers, but whatever. I downloaded the new version 1.1 with the added chaos marine powers, spun it up...

    The app pulled up and then crashed immediately. Frustrated, of course, but I was sure they would fix it. However, the crash is intentional. You have to pay $6 more to add the chaos powers and restore functionality.

    I'm commenting in the hopes that people will not fall for yet another money-grubbing trick by GW. I myself will be contacting the app store for a full refund.

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    1. Errr, what? The crash was an error. Delete the app, reinstall should fix it.

      As for the in app content... you dont nee d to but it if you dont want the chaos powers. If you do, its the same as the cards cost in store (thereabouts). Plus they wont be limited time.

      Jeez, you anti-GW lot love to jump on anything!

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    2. I totally could have gotten behing paying 2 or 3 dollars for the new psychic powers. What I cannot get behind is locking out chaos space marines completely. At the very least, I should be able to pick and play with the rule book powers I already paid for. GW is pricing itself out of the app business. I for one will never buy another digital product from them.

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  5. ill stick with my cards thank you very much, not interested in digital content that is the same price

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  6. I was all excited about the app when it came out, thinking this could be an excellent little tool. Somewhere deep down I had a feeling this was gonna happen. Glad I waited to know the truth.

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  7. if u download the update it closes out all the chaos models period, that is unless u pay the additional 5.99. So buy app, hope for GW to be cool and update it for its overpriced worth and they do! yay! but then bite down on the harsh reality that GW is infact...GW and will gladly suck more money out of you to use the APP you ALREADY PAID FOR your chaos army... so yeah avoid the update because it'll only make you a sad panda.

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    1. So if 10 dexes follow in this Edition of 40k you will Pay 60,- just for Updates? :D and Once 7th Hits its all useless? :D

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    2. And so will that expensive rulebook everyone shelled out for... An edition change isn't exactly a groundbreaking problem...

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  8. Faeit, when will your new Chaos battle reports be up? Anxiously awaiting :)

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    1. Im still under the weather, sick. So progress is slow.

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    2. Thank you. Take care.

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  9. Why would people assume that buying the original set of psychic powers entailed access to the chaos powers once they were released? It was not as if they sent out a complimentary deck of chaos powers to folks that had already purchased the original, non-digital deck of psychic powers.

    It does sound like they have completely mishandled the implementation of the new psychic powers within the pre-existing app, however. It should have been a separate optional upgrade, not automatically part of the regular update.

    I really wish GW would be more straightforward regarding their digital releases on the website - this would be more useful information than whatever random army some GW employee is painting up.

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  10. I do like the cards laying near my psycher as a reminder. Very handy for that. I don't play chaos, so will be skipping those. Now when the Eldar and Space Marines get sets...

    Curious thought: are we close to new White Dwarf rumors? I'm not sure what the projected release date for the mag is.

    Bellumvinco

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    1. WD is the last Saturday of the month, so we should be seeing leaks at the beginning of next week, maybe end of this week.

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  11. Oh and sense this is about digital apps, I guess I should comment on that. I don't plan to ever purchase any of them. My phone laying near my psycher doesnvt have the same effect. They are reminders 1st and quick reference 2nd, for me.

    Bellumvinco

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  12. Yeah unless you pay an additional 5.99 the App becomes completely unusable for Chaos Space Marines now. Hefty load of crap.

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    1. OR you could just pretend he's a psyker of another race...

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  13. The update is still cheaper then the cards... cards are 7.50, update on app is 5.99 so at least your saving some cash... update should have been 2.99

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  14. I originally supported purchasing this app but after today I had to change my mind.I went to iTunes and downgraded my rating from 4 to 1 stars. In addition I clicked app support and asked for a refund and complained about their app. Their is a link on the GW page that shows you how to get a refund, however when you follow the steps outlined in their link though iTunes, they direct you back to Games Workshop. At this point I would not reccomend this app to anyone. For starters, it was only 50% complete (missing ALL codex powers) and then on top of that they want you to pay full retail for an update that should be free.

    I am truly not impressed with Games Workshop at this moment.

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  15. Completely agree. Now we know why Codex powers weren't included right off the bat. If they'd said that BRB is free and Codex stuff is addons, than fine, that's doable and fair IMO. But their announcement gave the impression that the app came w/Codex powers straight out. Shoulda known better.

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  16. http://www.flickr.com/photos/59722636@N08/8092915172

    Screenshot of the App. asking for payment

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  17. Yeah, I have to say this is outrageous. I'm usually accepting of their prices, because I understand that their demographic is small for their products, but seriously? 6 dollars for an upgrade to a 12 dollar app?!?! If it was 2.99, I would have done it. Now, I want a refund. Pronto.

    This really ticks me off because usually I hate people who sound like I'm sounding right now, but I'm feeling like a mushroom.

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  18. I was about to get the app but all the 1* reviews were a massive turnoff is it rly tht bad?

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    1. The App is great. Nice Idea with the Pictures of your Psycher and all. But its expensive - too expensive.

      (The Anon with the Screenshot from above)

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    2. Same Anon again:

      Look what i found. GW has a new Web-Domain for digital Products and they explain how to claim a refund:

      http://games-workshop-digital.com/support/refunds/

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    3. If you follow their steps to get a refund it ends with a message on iTunes that they don't support apps and to contact games workshop

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    4. Great. Its a Loop!

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    5. I wonder why they don't just lower the price, instead of offer refunds? That seems like an extremely poor business decision to me.

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  19. Hey Natfka, I'm a big fan of your blog and appreciate what you do for our hobby's community.

    That being said, it might be perceived by some as poor form to quote someone's post on another forum for the information it provides, while at the same time mocking the poster for his (in this case VERY legitimate) criticism of bad business practices by a company that is notorious for them. I realize this is the Internet and manners are left at the door, but you are respected within the community and have higher standards to maintain.

    But yes, no psyker app for me.

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    1. Agree
      He Could have checked AppStore to find out, instead of hear say rumoring

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    2. I couldn't find the update on the AppStore and if he doesn't have an iDevice I am not sure he could check that

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    3. Well, he could have checked the Webversion of iTunes (Called iTunes Preview in Germany) or he could have checked iTunes itself (its a free download). So no need to buy an iDevice.

      BUT: Even if he would have checked, its a tiny info in the bottom left corner telling you there is buyable content inside... so...

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    4. Also, the extreme sarcasm is a little... Well... Extreme... And Natfka does seem to try to stick with informative here.

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  20. Might want to update the OP Natfka ... as you DO have to pay for the CSM powers if you want to see them.

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  21. Jesus, what a whingefest. It's marketing combined with common sense, get over it. Whaddya want, stuff for free?

    The pyschic powers card deck costs £8.00 to have physical cards in your hand. The iPhone app that does the same (with some added functionality of having profiles for your models and whatnot) costs...£8.00.

    £8.00 for physical psychic cards and £8.00 for digital psychic cards. SHOCKER.

    If you want a psychic deck either way you have to pay £8. It's what GW deem that product/data is worth. If the app cost significantly less than the physical deck then GW would lose profit with all of you iPhone people getting their cheap decks digitally instead of the actual cards and GW are not a company that sets out to lose money. I can't actually think of any that are still around that do.

    So yeah, if you want the benefit of having a psychic deck to carry around then you have to shell out what the company thinks it's worth, not what *you* think you should pay thanks to all the other iApps being far cheaper. You get the same, and a bit more, with the iPhone app, for the same price.

    As for the Chaos powers, nice one GW for getting them out this quickly, but guys, if you can't implement a chargable (and yeah, it should cost the same as the Chaos powers cards, you're getting the same stuff) bolt-on upgrade for your psychic powers app then you should at least have the option to not upgrade the app to have them. That's a bit crap.

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    1. yea 8 Bugs... ON TOP. In Euro thats 9,99 for the App plus 4,99 for the chaosupgrade...

      There are way more complex Apps out there - for far less Money.

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    2. It's like buying a car. There are many car options out there. You don't need a car, you can play without one, but if you like cars we have this one for x dollars, but you can only use it on existing roads, and once the city builds new roads you have to pay the car company for an upgrade otherwise they lock out that part of town. Would you buy a car that worked like that? No! So stop trying to defend GW and their filthy money grubbing ways.

      It's a digital product. It has no real world creation, shipping, or storage costs beyond what it cost them to copy and paste info in to the update. Info that they already had in a digital format for it to go to the printers.

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    3. I feel like for the base cards, that are not limited the app being the same price is reasonable, but as far as the chaos cards go, if they're concerned about losing profits they can just wait until they have sold all of the limited stock, and go from there.

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    4. The update REMOVED functionality. Before, you could create a chaos psyker and generate rulebook powers for them. When you download the new version, say by hitting update all in the app store, you find out, you are locked out of using the CSM characters you created until you pay an additional $6. That is absolutely ridiculous. There is a reason this app has 1.5 stars, its because GW failed miserably in implementation.

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    5. So eventually, when all the codexes have been updated/released, if you don't upgrade you'll eventually be locked out of every race and therefore the app is useless? Or am I reading this wrong?

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    6. Nope, you are exactly correct. Once all the Codex's are released your app is useless.

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  22. Cards cost $ to produce after initial development. Apps cost NOTHING after development. An "expensive" app costs around $4.99, this app is $12 base + $6 per update? Rip-off & price gouging are the 2 terms that come to mind. If you disagree fine.

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  23. @Thors Hammer: Mjolnir, you are missing my point. Yes, it's exactly like buying a car. Games Workshop release a car, say, a coupe. They charge £8,000 for it because it's nice and fast. Go go fast GW coupe! Like you said, you don't need the coupe to get around, transport is already provided when you moved into the area, but it's nice to have.

    Now, Games Workshop release a new car. It's a smaller, hot hatch. Because it's just as fast as the coupe, GW still charge £8,000 for it. But it also has a bit more luggage space over the coupe. Go go GW hot-hatch (with the oft-overlooked extra luggage space)!

    People are complaining because hundreds of other small cars are available at a fraction of the price from other manufacturers. None of them are as fast while having the luggage space like the GW hot-hatch. It doesn't matter what YOU think the hot-hatch should cost, it's GW's car and if they think that you want to go fast in something that has their logo on it then you have to pay £8k, regardless of the model of car. If you want more room (and have an Apple license to drive) then get the hot-hatch. Either way, going fast in a GW car costs you eight grand. None of the cheaper small cars go as fast. People complaining about the cost need to get over it.

    What I DON'T agree with (and I'm probably with you on this one actually, Mjol) is GW putting out a small car and then forcing people to pay to get new features added. THAT is rubbish, like I said. There may be some technical reason (or it's just a poorly devloped app) as to why you can't have a Psychic Powers: RUINOUS EDITION app on it's own, but that sounds like how it should be to me, each new codex should get it's own app. They get their own cards, they get their own app. But if it is done like that would they be able to integrate them so that people with more then one codex can open just one app to work with all their psykers? Blergh.

    @Awisch: Not entirely true. I work in a technical environment and there are always ongoing costs with any software: patches, updates, new functionality. You always have to pay a developer to keep their work updated and as bug-free as possible, which can get progressively more difficult as you add more functionality to an application. I'm not a developer myself but I work closely with people who are so I do have an idea about the ongoing processes involved with app development and support.

    On top of the ongoing cost (which probably compares to printing off more cards & distribution costs) Apple also take a 30% cut of every application sold through their distribution network. So I suspect that Games Workshop could actually get less profit per app sale than they do card deck sales. That's pure speculation, though.

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  24. @Mauler: Card decks cost money to print and ship. Some designer had to be paid to make the cards, just like a programmer had to be paid to make the app. It seems like GW could charge much less for the app and still make a good amount of money.
    How many people will NOT buy this app because of the absurd cost (12USD)? I won't.

    Compare this app to other reference apps on the App Store. I got an interactive table of the elements for free. I got a drink-mixing reference chart (for any drink you can think of) for free. Would I like it for free? Yes. Will GW ever give anything out for free? No. Would I pay $5 for this app? Probably. But not $12, that's ridiculous. iPhoto, iMovie, GarageBand are all $5, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they do a LOT more than the Psychic App. My hunch is that, if I buy the GW app, I am getting ripped off.

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