From these rumors, both Deathwing and Ravenwing are going to be getting 4 units each. Of course these are playtest rules, and I do not have any information on how far along the design process these this playtest set is.


Playtesting rules, vary tremendously. Some of them if they were very early sets, will look nothing like the final product, if they were much later and close to the final product we are much more likely to see something like this.

So take this rumor set with a large amount of salt. Even better take it for what it is, a playtest set, that more than probably is not what the final product is going to look at.

If you have more information about this set or other playtest sets for Dark Angels, please email at natfka@live.com. It would be excellent to get a little bit more information on what is going with these playtests. I would imagine that the codex is already done, printed and waiting for its release at this point.


via Master Sheol tranlated these rumors from Italian. Below the english translation is the original in Italian
DA Playtest Rumors
Today a guy posted some rumors on the GWTilea italian board...
He told he has some rumors about DA coming from a UK playtester...
Basically what it says is that DW and RW will have 4 units each and some other info too...

Deathwing should have:
Command squad- 2 wounds like GK paladins... WS5 and BS5... command squad upgrades... upgrades for attached chaplain and/or attached librarian... very expensive unit...
Elite squad - Close combat specialistic unit with mastercrafted weapons and specific options... WS5
Troop squad - the DW squad we know now but without any speacial ability... i guess they will be just fearless without DWA... chaplain in TDA can attach...
Heavy Support squad - BS5... no access to assault weapons but access to heavy weapons... AP3 Stormbolters...

Ravenwing should have:
Command squad - 2 attacks... WS5... all the guys can take sergeant upgrades... command squad upgrades...
Troop squad - like the bike squad in vanilla codex (3-10 bikes and 2 bikes can become a single attack bike) but with RW special abilities and options
fast attack squad - 1-5 attack bike squadron can split into 2 units
LS squadron - 1-5 LS with access to all equipment as per vanilla codex plus the specific RAM version (rumored to take LC too) they can split into 2 units

New kind of dread that can take terminator options...

Very big transport flyer with room enough for 20 marines (the rumor says 20 tda but i guess it will be 20 PA or 10 tda)...

Chaplains that can act like a single unit or join squads like SP in BA army...


Another guy i know told me about a rumored name for a DA veichle... VENGEANCLAD or similar... maybe it will be the dread with terminator options...


Codex should be out between february and april...





Sezione termy (scusate scrivo da un tablet la correzione automatica scrive a caos.... )
Ci saranno 4 truppe termy
1 squadra comando stile paladini 2 fe con possibilità di fare mini bibliotecario e mini cappellano ac ab 5 molto cari
2 squadra truppe come ora ma no abilità speciali aggregabile cappellano guardiano
3 reparti speciali da assalto solo armi cac che contano perfezionate, ac 5 equipaggiamenti da cac unici
4 supp pesanti da tiro con requiem vp 3 di base ed armi pesanti uniche ab 5
Unita di mini cappellani stile wolfguard usabili come campioni d'unita o come unità se stante
Maxi veicolo da trasporto volante che potrà contenere 20 terminator mix tra land raider e cannoniera stormraven risalenti all'epoca delle legioni
Dread che potrà avere equip specifici dei termy
Fonte un amico play tester inglese

Ravenwing
Anche qui 4 scelte
1 sq comando motociclisti con ac 5 specialisti tutti dovrebbero poter scegliere equip di sgt 2 att a testa
2 truppa normale, SOLO MOTO Max 1 moto d'assalto squadre da 3 - 10 Marines divisibili in 2 squadre da 5 Marines 5+5 oppure 5+3 e moto assalto
3 supporto leggeri solo moto d'assalto 1 - 5 moto o insieme o divise come si vuole Max 2 squadre
4 supporto leggero 1-5 Vrl possono tutti montare requiem/melta e ac/flamer piu il lanciamissili. 1 per squadra versione "RAM" 2 cannoni assalto 2 mitr requiem non binati sostituibili con lascannon e melta
Anche qui divisibili in 2 squadroni


89 Comments:

  1. Sounds tasty, as long as none of the deathwing use Heavy slots, or can take LR as dedicated transports.

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  2. Nice.

    (On an unrelated note, todays my birthday.)

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    1. Happy Birthday man!
      -Smoke

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    2. Happy Birthday mate.

      Angron Lord of the Red Sands

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    3. Happy birthday

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    4. Happy bday Jaydee

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    5. Have a good one!!

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    6. Fuck that.
      If you've seen Your Highness you're laughing your arses off right now.
      Good to have you in the community JayDee! Hope you had a good one

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  3. Interesting stuff. Also Happy B day dude.

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  4. This would be cool because it would allow you to build complete a Deathwing build with a bit more personality. Not as much so with Ravenwing. Still if these rumors were to coincide with the previously heard rumors Id be even more stoked than I already am.

    Interesting.

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  5. This would go a long way to giving the dark angels their uniqueness back that they rightly deserve

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  6. Well I've still got 10 more terminator bodies with a set of Forgeworld shoulder pads to finish assembling once we get the book. The command squad sounds juicy but it might be an unlockable upgrade to the existing command squad entry if your captain has TA. A set of specialized terminators outside the FOC would help make DW more flexible.

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  7. ap3 storm bolters, not impressed. one thing about tsons is that they are unique despite getting any real love or boost. now wards gonna take that away from them.

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    1. What? like like what they did to the Deathguard's FnP so many years back?

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    2. Are you really complaining about DA taking stuff from other people? Do you know how many things we've lost to other codexes? Bikes as troops, termies as troops, jink saves, plasma cannons in tac squads, and land speeder typhoons. You know the reason people think DA are boring? Everything we had that was unique has been given to other codexes.

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    3. If he also gives DA 4+ invulnerables and a Str8 AP1 shot from each squad then Thousand Sons players can complain. Indigojacks got it right, DA became very vanilla when the 4th edition Marine codex came out. It was kinda sad when Lysander's terminator army became better than DW.

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    4. Thousand Sons can't guarantee the s8 ap1 shot anymore, and the 4++ is easily made up for by the 2+ armor that you guys get. Also, can't you get assault cannons? I'll take an assault cannon over a meltagun without the melta rule any day, especially since it also gets 6"more range. Oh, and are you guys slow and purposeful? No? So you can overwatch with those ap3 bolters right?

      The point is 1k sons are not doing well, and now there might be something else that brings that one unique trick they get. Honestly I'm more worried about more 2 wound terminators showing up, this time with even better stats too. Gonna have to look into a plasma forgefiend if this does pan out...

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    5. Also, if you read carefully, the AP3 storm bolters are a "heavy option" so my guess is it'll take up a heavy slot. Also, more than likely, we'll still be restrcited to 5 terminators per squad, so it's hardly a steal.

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    6. So you'll have to adjust how you play when a new army arrives? Terrible GW! Just terrible!

      We should be able to always play exactly the same way, forever and ever, and no armies should ever share anything similar for the sake of balance....

      /sarcastic whining

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    7. Oh no! Someone else gets a weapon with the same stats! How horrible! They must be trying take everything CSM have! *facepalm*

      I'm sorry, but this is going to haappen. Its a small change in one stat, that dose not make them the same, or rmoving uniquness from a force.

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  8. This sounds like dark angels will be the new grey knights of 6th edition. And that pisses me of because I was just about to start grey knights.

    well at least I still have the new chaos codex to use until I get bored of it.

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    1. By all means start a GK army and add IG allies. That's a great combo and very fluffy with fantastic modeling possibilities. If Sisters are redone next year you've got another fluffy ally combo as well.

      After I get promoted again I'm definitely going back and finishing the 3rd Demonhunters army I started.

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  9. VEGANCLAD??? OMG they're even green to boot!!!

    ;-p

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    1. I think it's a typo- should be vengeance-lad, the cockney accented lovable 8yr old in a dreadnought :P

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  10. I am taking these rumors with a grain of salt. Sure maybe the command squad, maybe, but I doubt that they will have a special unit filling every single slot in the FOC, just doesn't sound plausible.

    In the end I think the DW and RW will stay pretty much the same, but with a variation in points.

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  11. I don't know how much of this I believe, or rather, how much I want to be true, some of this sound quite uncreative or the aurthors part. Never the less, good to have some more rumors coming in.

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    1. Uncreative? Just cause Matt Ward is turning the Deathwing into a carbon copy of Paladins?

      Harsh, so harsh...lol.

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  12. yeah cos the last thing DW need is a 20 cap flying transport ap3 stormbolters.

    #chaosplayer

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    1. Didn't you hear? AP3 sb is called balanced.

      FaytedHeartless

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    2. oooooh.
      well if broken is the new balanced, i guess nothing is broken? haha
      if those rules hit the table i'll just start calling them GreenKnights instead i guess.

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    3. Have you guys ever tried using a shooting DW army versus SM? It's very unpleasant to say the least, especially now that plasma is getting popular again. Try rolling out what happens to stormbolters against 3+ saves when you've got 25 termies at 2k points.

      And don't say go all TH/SS because most of us didn't cut apart all our models after the 5th ed. FAQ. Ward will probably make an option like AP3 bolters cost 5 points on top of a 40-45 point model.

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    4. So what you're saying is using only one squad from your entire codex didn't work out very well? Sounds terrible, it's unfortunate that one codex entry didn't make a balanced army.

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    5. That's how DW was played in 4th ed, lots of SBs and assault cannons. I use Landraiders and Dreads in my lists but yes, it's a playable army. Don't think that DW squads will be 215 points like they are now with 2 wounds, BS5, and AP3 bolters. They're going to become frightfully more expensive when optioned out. And when they are, there had better be a way for them to compete with marines.

      FYI in case you're unaware the DA first company is tasking with finding and capturing the Fallen (aka guys is power armor). An AP3 bolter option wouldn't be unfluffy or nonsensical at all. We're just prepared to pay a points premium for it.

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  13. The 20-man flier transport *MIGHT* be the Storm Eagle from FW. I know that thing fits the description at least...

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  14. I'll be honest, providing i can still field an entire army of terminators, and providing there is 1 new character (or at least a new model) i'll be happy with whatever the Dark Angels codex looks like.

    Deathwing were why i started collecting Dark Angels and that will continue to be the case. Everything else is incidental.

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  15. Does anyone know I hate Matt Ward. Well you do now.

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    1. Wow cool. Thanks for keeping us informed, anon.

      Anyway, i just want to be able to play DA differently than i play my iron hands. I play mostly small games, like 1500 and under, because of time constraints with my casual gaming friends, and with the current codex anytime i've tried to play DW i've been tabled hard. Sadly ravenwing can be played basically by vanilla, and vanilla dex does everything else better IMO...just hoping like many others that deathwing will become viable and efficient for me again.

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  16. Sounds plausible. Lets not forget the ENTIRE first company is the Deathwing. So no Vanguard Vets, No Sternguard ect so seems reasonable these special 1st company units would be replaced by specialist DW units (Combat DW as Vanguard and Heavy DW as Sternguard). Also, AP3 bolters are practically as good as storm bolters when they’re half the price (25 points for Sternguard, assume ‘special’ DW will be 50 points plus based on standard terminator pricing) and can come in Drop Pod Assault to ensure optimum range.
    As for the Ravenwing, Well all marine’s (exc. Grey Knights) currently have access to Bike squads, Attack Bike Squads, Landspeeder Squads and vanillas have bike command units already, so I don’t find it hard to believe they will get AT LEAST the equivalent units in the other codices to represent the Ravenwing.
    TBH, my only worry about Dark Angels is that currently, Assault Terminators in ALL codices are under priced. Do the math. A Vanguard Vet WITHOUT a jump pack, armed with a Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield comes in at a hefty 65 points!! That’s the EXACT same stats as a 40 point assault terminator, save the terminator gets a 1 better basic save. Ok, so the vet can Heroic Intervention (or whatever its called) but that takes him up to 75 points, and at no point ever does a 35 point premium PER MODEL equate to value for money for this ability. Even a tactical sarge with this combo comes in at 71 points. Again, same stats, worse save. 31 points not to have terminator armour. Worst deal of century?
    Indeed, any where you look in the Codex, the cost of upgrade to TH/SS is 45 points on top of model cost, so how does an Assault Terminator work out at 5 points less than this? If there is any imbalance in the Dark Angel Codex, it will come from further exacerbation of this grossly underpriced combo, which is already available to the majority of MEQ armies anyway.
    I would love to see Assault terminators increase in cost in this Codex. 55 points would be reasonable, and hopefully would set a trend for fairer pricing of this unit throughout the game with future codices and/or hopefully FAQ point amendments. As for ‘specialised’ Deathwing, I think that is probably the best thing GW could do with this Codex from a ‘Fluff’ perspective.
    Allowing the flaming to commence… :)

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    1. The difficulty is that if you up the points of an assault termie to 55 points (i agree is probably reasonable) it instantly is the same cost as a paladin. It would be pretty hard to change stream now and place the points where they should be. The army would be unplayable. Also given that chaos termies were kept at their cheap points then its unlikely this will happen.

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    2. Chaos Termies I have no problem with. They actually have to pay for the upgrades they take. Assault terminators don't. Yes, this would put them at paladin cost, but with better equipment. As such a paladin with a deamon hammer and Storm Shield (i know, i know) would be more than 55, so it evens out. I mean, how can you justify a pair of lightning claws (30 points) with a TH/SS (45 points). Even if you keep Assault Termies at 40 points, they should PAY to upgrade both thie weapon and thier invun save. Stating equivilency is stupid and wrong.

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    3. Funny thing about bikes... that's the trade mark of the White Scar... I personally would like to see the White Scar get more Bike options than the Raven wing.

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    4. The Dark Angel Ravenwing predates any mention of Whitescars being the bike army, way back to 2nd eddition. Ravenwing is the origional bike army.

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    5. On a related note, chaos termis with 2xLC are 38 pts while chosen with 2xLC are 48 pts. Both elites, same exact stats except for terminator vs power armor. One of many wtf pricing moments in the new csm dex

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    6. Don't forget Nate, the 5+ +. Perhaps it was to encourage more people to take the new warp talon models for 30 points each. Certainly a few wtf options (1k sons facepalm)

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  17. That all sounds nice for the death wing and fits fluffy I think the trouble with raven wing now is its very much lost its cool to the vanilla dex cos aside from a jet bike the khan does it better. If the flyer is real I hope it actually looks good, I'd take a storm eagle to be fair. P.S. happy bday jd

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  18. That all sounds nice for the death wing and fits fluffy I think the trouble with raven wing now is its very much lost its cool to the vanilla dex cos aside from a jet bike the khan does it better. If the flyer is real I hope it actually looks good, I'd take a storm eagle to be fair. P.S. happy bday jd

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  19. All of this fits well with the rumour that Matt Ward is doing the codex

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  20. I smell a stinky.

    If these are genuine rules, they would be early playtests where madness reigns.

    Vengeanclad? Vengeance Lad? Angry teenager?

    Sorry folks, I'm usually on the fence with rumours but these look like fakes.

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  21. Oh, better 2 W Terminators, a possible 10 Terminator flying transport and all kind of other stuff.
    Why am I not surprised that this Ward dex sounds so much better than the latest CSM codex?

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  22. After the Chaos Codex, if any of this is real then my minis are going on ebay the next day.

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    1. Nice overreaction. Have some cheese.

      These are rumours, some of it may be true most of it wont be.

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    2. With Matt Ward writing the codex you never know. I hope these are rumors and that the book will be more in line with the chaos codex in terms of pricing and power.

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    3. Wow, I truly hope so because someone who will jump ship that fast smells distinctly of rodent.

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  23. Unbelievable, whilst deathwing are supposed to be the best terminators in the "space marine" arsenal turning them into grey knight paladins is a joke. Grey knights are supposed to be the best full stop fluff wise (other than when Logan cut a grand masters head off in emporers might). Ws5 or 2 wounds one or t

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  24. The other fair enough was how I was gonna finish

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  25. I like it. It makes us unique again and it makes sense fluff wise. Deathwing should have terminator options for Elites, Heavy Support, etc.

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  26. One 2 wound squad-the best of the best is fluffy and cool.
    It does look a little too good to be true though.
    Especially given the JetBike rumours.
    The khan may have better bikers but the ravenwing are specialised to work hand in glove with the DW as a rapid strike force not a mounted horde.
    Hope we don't loose stern...BR can't have it all.
    Vengeclad is a stupid name, overall, probably too good to be true haha

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  27. sounds typical F ing matt ward , " yeah sure i dont know what creative crap i can add so ill just ive them all better stats for no reason "

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    1. I started to suspect this when i saw Ap3 stobolters firing at bs5

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  28. Well the transport able to accomodate 20 terminators in is on sell on GW site!!!
    http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1095470

    LOL

    read the blog again- it seems the rumor was fake.

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  29. GAAH! You just had to complicate things. Lots of bills and four 40k armies means one has to go. I had settled on my Belial / Sammael double wing to go (biker injected termies = one trick pony = least interesting). Now I'm tempted to wait and see what we get.

    But I have bills! Curse you GW!

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  30. Some of this old play testing material. But some of it is just simply all wrong.

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  31. Matt Ward for President!

    Bellumvinco

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  32. So many haters.
    Pathetic.
    Let's play 2nd Ed! Woo.
    Dicks.
    Anyway, I like the idea of these different units, 2 wounds with FNP and a banner is probably a little cheesy, especially if they have storm shields or lion helm attached.
    Still, one squad and expensive, it would be cool and I wouldn't mind paying for privilidge.

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  33. Even before it became apparent that the author will be Mat Ward I was convinced that writing a codex for DA will be a hard nut to crack.

    It is really hard to do 4 things at the same time:
    - maintain power-balance (no OP, no punch-bag)
    - fresh gaming ideas
    - respecting the previous fluff
    - making more army combinations viable (not just DW/RW)

    C:SM have the option for a really bad-ass motorcycle / speeder army
    SW has the option for Lognarwing, and GK put the terminator-army with Draigowing to a whole new level.

    So, the 2 most defining features of the DA codex were "sold out" to other codices.

    I can't help the feeling that they gave this one to Ward as a punishment. "You are the one, who used up all the gaming ideas in your previous codices, now you'll be the one, who must come up with a some new one."

    I really hope, for the sake of my army, that he can meet the challenge.

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    1. Yeah, some proof-reading would have been nice, sorry for the typos.

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  34. it's fake,
    the author of the rumor said this. Are you deaf??? LOL

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    1. I din't know why hearing would impede on Natfka's ability to read, although if he were blind it would be a different story... And as Logan, probably the most awesome, reliable source I can think of, has stated that some of them are actuzlly from early play tests.

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  35. i'm not saying nftka is blind, it's not off course his fault.
    i'm saying stop talking about it because it's fake, and we know it from .. well yesterday i think.
    i'm from italy and i regularly read the blog this idea has come from. The author has rectified , and said he knows it's fake. Maybe something is true still , but otherwise there's a lot of fake inside. A transport able to contain 20 terminators? oh come on! maybe on apocalypse !

    i can translate the whole italian blog post if you want.

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    1. I am Master Sheol who translated thus rumors from italian GWTilea forum.
      There is NO admission of fake rumors in that forum.
      What is your fonte?

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  36. Good to see new rumours for Codex: Deathwing & Ravenwing...

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  37. Hmmm, now I'm thinking Chaos Deathwing, or should that be Fallen...?

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  38. Btw there is a translation error on the DW command squad, it says that you can upgrade some of the memebers of the squad to be a mini librarian/chaplain and only those get the ws/bs boost (at least that's what the italian version says)

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