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Warhammer Fantasy 9th Edition Rumors


The End Times has pushed the popularity button on Warhammer Fantasy, and there has been some talk about how this will translate when a 9th edition hits. Now we have an early bit of information on 9th edition and how it may play out.


The one important thing here is that it says no armybooks until a new edition.

Please remember that these are rumors.

via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
I have first Informations for the 9th Edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battles:

-One Profiles for Mounted Units (like Endtimes)
-Endtimes was full designed for the new Edition, the Books will be 100% compatible
-No Armybook releases until the new Edition
-Empire in the starter, the enemy is still not determinated

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  1. O&G would be the obvious choice for the enemy in the starter box (the Empire vs O&G box set a few editions ago is how I got into WH) but I'd like to see something a little different like Ogre Kingdoms for example

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    1. I'm praying it's not O&G! They've been early in the dev cycle for so many editions and suffered for it... Let someone else go first and second for a change.

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    2. This dev cycle is well underway, and all the armies have been written at the same time (though their books will come out one at a time). There won't be a disparity in the rules. No Dark Angels to test the waters here.

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    3. Empire vs. Chaos seems like a better fit for the end times fluff. I suppose we'll see.

      I was kind of hoping for the once rumored undead vs. bretts box, farfetched though that rumor admittedly was.

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    4. I think Empire vs. Chaos would be the best. Both sides could use some better looking plastics in the form of Halberdiers/Spears and Marauders as basic troops. This would also have the opportunity to maybe have some new knights (possibly even Reiksguard) and maybe some Chosen if they are as sweet as Chosen from Dark Vengeance.

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    5. aren't Forsaken "Chosen" fantasy Equivalents? [if answer is yes, then no we won't see a new "Chosen" type of unit, if answer is no, then we might see new unit]

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    6. Chosen are the chosen equivalent. Forsaken are more like half finished spawn.

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    7. forsaken are more akin to possessed

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  2. "-One Profiles for Mounted Units (like Endtimes)"
    What does it mean? I am not familiar with Endtimes books.

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    1. Right now there is two stat lines for mounts that are Monstrous and up. Before you could kill the rider or the mount and special rules and ward saves would only effect the rider.

      So when 9th comes out you will treat the two models as one.

      This is a big deal since now mounts won't be easily shot out from under the rider. There are more differences but none of it makes the large mounts weaker.

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    2. It also means no more watching your elven princes get blasted to bits by cannonballs first thing. I'm in favour of this change. I really wish they'd bring back the rules for flying high, too. Such a great way to play flyers realistically.

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    3. More importantly, the mount won't be shot out from beneath the rider. Most monster riders are lord choices, often generals, and therefore Buy some sort if ward save, usually a 4+ when possible. The mount does not benefit from said ward save and many mounts like manticore and griphon do not have saves at all, while dragons and the like might have scaly skin 3+ or something similar. Said save does not. Help against cannons

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    4. Which is HUGE. The new Mannfred is an absolute monster now because of the combined profile.

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    5. You also suffered from canon ball wounds being effectively doubled, since they automatically hit both rider and mount.

      Of course, this could easily go too far in the other direction - if the best armor and ward are used, generic dragon riders could get pretty ridiculous. Honestly, some of the end times mounted heroes are already pretty ridiculous. The mortarchs and the Glotkin actually aren't that bad, but the Ascendant and the Eternal King are both kind of nuts.

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    6. I love the new mannfred but the new elf rules look broken

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  3. Sorry, I don't follow fantasy as much, but are there any lizardmen model rumours for the end times?

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    1. only thing i have heard was on this site [as well as several others, though i forget which] not long ago and haven't heard anything since, but it was only a tidbit and one you likely have read before. but it is: "Mazamundi (who will apparently get a model)"

      not much. but that is all Grandfather Google has to offer [or atleast that i could notice]

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    2. Yup, I heard the same rumour.... probably on this site...

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    3. done more digging today. found out it was a hoax [someone on the forums made the box art in photoshop for a conversion he made]

      note: i cannot offer specifics i read more or less 12-18 hrs a day so i don't want to give out false info.

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    4. A pity this is a hoax. Could have been a good model...

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  4. -One Profiles for Mounted Units (like Endtimes)

    Terrible, terrible idea.

    • The rider either gets a massive stats buff to match the monster (because that makes -total- sense) and the magic weapons they wield become disproportionately powerful for their cost.
    • OR the monster gets diminished and you've just poured points into a now over-sized flying hero.

    This sounds like a terrible way of "fixing" the issue with warmachine wound allocation. Why is it when GW make a rules change that doesn't work, instead of correcting the issue, they change a different rule to make the now broken one fit?

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    1. It'll work beautifully, because either expensive monsters will become the norm in which case everyone is on equal footing, or you'll save the points and play how we play now, which again makes all things equal.

      I doubt anyone will be running to add the 300 point dragons to their list...especially if they keep the 25% lord max (which they should, 50% just feels WAY too powerful already).

      And if not I'll gladly grab my manticore, chaos dragon, bale taurus, and carnasaur and hit the town.

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    2. Yeah, I'm kind of happy to be able to justify a Glade Lord on a forest dragon now. That thing will wreck face (for a Wood Elf character anyway).

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    3. All editions have changed things in a way that creates new Problems. The idea is never to have a balanced game. That way you can always releas new content to "fix" things!

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    4. The 25% limit is gone FAQ'd to match end times since they took the time to FAQ it I think this will be a 9th ed change so everyone can bring their big monatrous lord even at low points

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    5. Yikes, getting the benefit of some magical weapons / items on the combined attacks of mount and rider could be pretty crazy... I'm still very new to fantasy so Indont know what the crazy combo would be, but already soul feeder on my chaos lord sounds pretty epic with combined 8++ attacks

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    6. The issue is a lot of the magical weapon things available aren't too stupid, (like +S or Attacks etc) its when it is put on special characters that have multiwound weapons is when it gets stupid...

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    7. The 50% Lords is better. More focus on a character/caster/hero-driven narrative. It also means fewer models, and thus a lower start-up cost. If everyone has access to such models, then everyone is on equal footing.

      Powerful stuff is fun when everyone has access to it.

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    8. Magic item costs are already disproportional
      a Ws5 Str 4 A 3 Empire general pays the same as a
      Ws8 Str 5 A 4 Chaos Lord, which let's face it most of the weapons will be far better in the hands of that chaos lord.

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    9. @nick Powell. 25% is not coming back man. At least not in 9th. It'll be 50%. Has to be or else all these big kits they mad are for naught. You wont be able to use almost any of them.

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    10. @McDoogle yes, powerful stuff is fun when everyone has access to it. unfortunately that leaves dwarfs out in the cold. I'm sure all the other races love giving their big point sink dragons/giants/mounts the bonuses of their riders. But dwarfs have none of that and kind of rely on the multi-wound ability of their war machines.I know that there's rumor of a giant construct type thing but until that's actually out it's just wishlisting. Here's to hoping that dwarfs get some kind of love between now and 9th.

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    11. @McDoogle "The 50% Lords is better. More focus on a character/caster/hero-driven narrative.".

      That is Herohammer - plain and simple. It was shit back then and it'll be shit now. I had hoped the days of whole battles being decided just by a duel between two Lords were well, well behind us. Its not a new idea and its certainly not an enjoyable one, once its put into practice.

      Here I was hoping magic would be reigned in, to make non-caster heroes of all types more attractive, without shifting the focus away from the rank-and-file. If GW wanted people to use their larger mounted heroes, they should've fixed the wound allocation and rebalanced the cannons, not simply turned every mounted hero into a flying cheese-fest.

      @TheDjbz - I always thought the common magic items section was a crap idea for those exact reasons. Each army should have its own magic weapon list, tailored and balanced to the army - not a one-size-does-not-actually-fit-all approach. Even if you're largely getting the same items repeated in books with a points tweak, its still better than the way its handled now.

      and I'm not pointing as it all being doom-and-gloom. The End Times is a nice -expansion- to the core game, much like Planetstrike, Cities of Death, Dungeon Bowl or Storm of Magic had been for their respective games - but none of them should supplant the core rules.

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    12. Simple fix monster and rider share toughness and wounds but seperate attacks and strength like normal cavalry....

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  5. I'd like to see skirmishers denying rank bonuses or something similar to help them actually win combats. That'd be rad. Also, I truly hope the End Times spells are toned down if they're included in the BRB. If they just took away the "can't be dispelled" rule, they'd be fine.

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    1. Actually, scratch that first wish because then Wardancers wouldn't be special any more =P

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    3. I'm guessing the extreme end times stuff isn't going to be standard, it's more like apocalypse for fantasy really when you look at it. I would imagine that gw will want to focus on making smaller games viable and easier to get into to help fantasy stand alongside 40K and attract new players, single profiles would help with that allot I think.

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    4. I think they want both.
      Small & big Games.
      I think they will add more and more big units in fantasy.

      A march releas of the Edition followed by several boxes like in 40k could be the way this will go. Repack Island o blood . Add generic Box and a nother like current shield o Baal.
      Very possible going by 40k releases.

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  6. my wallet is ready

    mainly because i already have about 10k points worth of WoC from about 5th edition onwards, but still, it's ready

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  7. Another cycle of Doom and Gloom is upon us. With every release there is a population of the gaming community that for see an End to the game becuase of new changes that come. There are cries that things were better before (in truth it really wasn't that much different.) And if these changes come true they will have to quit the game.

    This is followed by excitement from them when they hear news about their army getting new stuff. "Yeah, I am back! Never doubted them."

    Next they see the rules and dispair returns more powerful then ever. "They Nerfed my whole army, I can use my favorite unit that I built my entire army around. Rant rant rant."

    Then after time when we all see the real rules we play games and have fun learning how to use the new rules to our advantage. Then the majority of the community comes out of the bomb shelters to constructively discuss how their new tactics work.

    That load minority that screamed before pop on every now and then and mumble " I still liked it better in 7th." Then wonder back to their troll cave waiting for the next release.

    (For comic effect here, not calling anyone out. )

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    1. At least this sorta thing never happens to night goblin players. As long as fanatics are around we'll be happy

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  8. Really looking forwards to, I'm one WFB fan who can't wait. :)

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    1. Great idea... all those standard goblin models need re-doing anyway - this would be a great opportunity for it.. wolf riders, wolf chariot, standard gobbos, and maybe some new stone trolls....

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    2. It's new Empire Knight's I want, Please oh please let it happen :D

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  10. Empire needs a complete redesign. Their wagons are hideous. Their footmen look goofy. Their heros look so 80s....

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  11. Can't wait to play with 5 dragons again, idiots clashing center field, double teaming the first guy that charged, BS all around, and then put it all away after 30 minutes to go get steaks.

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