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Rumor Bits: Blood Angels Codex Movement, Sister's Exorcist, and More


There are a couple comments, and/or rumors that are coming through my inbox, and I figured I could hit several of them at once, before I lose track of these in the inbox. I do get some interesting things that come through, and its often hard to get to all of them, while I look for more information on each of them.

Lets take a look at what is here.


Please remember that these are comments and/ or rumors.

via Marc
I was just browsing to see if I could seen any of the leviathan info up still, then I realized my army (Blood Angels) had been completely removed from the site.1:30am EST could have been sooner but I just looked it up now.

The codex was not listed under rulebooks and codices when I checked on this morning, but was under Blood Angels. Definitely some movement going on in there. Marc was saying that the codex was also not in the Blood Angel section for a short time.

Yeah it was gone for about 10 15 minutes. The codex is under the blood angel section again


via William
This could just as easily be making room for something else, or taken down until the moulds are redone.
I was on forge world and noticed that the sisters exorcist is missing. 

via a reader on Faeit 212
Ive heard of expansions being worked on in whispered breaths, quite possible something cool being worked on.

So, this may or may not be an indication of a possible expansion of the WH40K app, but a friemd of mine just interviewed for a customer service position with Games Workshop, specifically related to the app.
Also, this is a work from home job, not entirely sure what that might imply, but is not their typical business model

via a reader on Faeit 212
Note that some of this (like Matt Ward leaving because of a death threat or a petition against Cruddace that had millions of signatures) doesn't seem to stand up well.


Take this one with a islands worth of Salt (along with the fact I'm not sure if this headline has made the rounds yet), but I was talking with one of the guys down at my FLGS, when the subject of Codex Writers came up, and I found out a couple of interesting things.
As you know, Matt Ward left sometime this year with Wood Elves for WHFB being his last army book. What isn't so well known I think is his reason for leaving - apparently, a fan sent him a death threat at a convention (so possibly Golden Demon/Warhammerfest/HerpDerpHammer Party 2013).
What made this sorta newsworthy however was some information to due with Robin Cruddace. Allegedly (and take with salt) because of an Online Petition that had Millions (or so I'm told), Robin is no longer allowed to write for GW. He then further speculated that the current waves of Tyranids we're seeing is partially linked to this as the "apology phase" from GW (taking place between the Movement and Shooting phases naturally).
Like I said, take all of this with entire continents worth of salt. Online Petitions usually don't get this sort of reaction, plus the whole Shield of Baal campaign thing. But I thought this stuff was worth bringing up if nobody else has already.

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  1. Not really into the bandwagon of the ward hate, I liked the new necron lore and codex rules in 5th edition, though i never played with, against or read the Grey Knight codex's he wrote so they maybe bad.

    Robin Cruddace on the other hand I hate, after what he did to my carnifex's back in 5th Edition he can never be forgiven.

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    1. I think it's highly likely that it wasn't his call to nerf them into the ground. After the 4th book encouraged everyone to own a huge number of them it was inevitable that they would suck in the next book.

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    2. i agree. i was possibly one of Matt Wards only fans [atleast it felt that way] and never was a fan of Robin Cruddace. [early matt ward stuff wasn't too bad, before he got a bit overenthusiastic about writing dexs]

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    3. I think you put entirely too much faith in codex writers having any idea how the rules will effect the game.

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    4. Spot on Azrel, that's what developers and play testers are for. They might be part of the ideas process but they won't get carte Blanche to do what they want.

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    5. They talked about the codex writing process a while back in either the Black Gobbo online blog or in a White Dwarf (can't remember which), but it was I think in 2010 or 2011.

      Anyways, the process is basically a section of the codex delegated out to one of several writers - so one guy is in charge of pulling pieces of fluff together for the book, writing new fluff, etc. One guy is in charge of page layout, and choosing which pieces of artwork get into the book, etc. Another couple guys write a bunch of rules, playtest them, change them, etc.

      The author actually is just the "project manager" so to speak - they have final say, and basically take all of the pieces everyone else has done and pick and choose which final pieces make it into the book. So if the project team come to him with 120 pages of content, his job is to trim it down to 85 or whatever it is that books tend to have now.

      So in reality, Cruddace (and ward and the like) aren't truly "writing" the books, but are responsible for the final form they take.

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  2. Good thing that caveat of island of salt was tossed in. See your doctor about your excessive sodium intake...it could be dangerous to your health.

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  3. Haemonculus Covens "Sold Out" on UK web store (and only UK). Mistake or Not?

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  4. To add to this the How To Paint guide shifted to the preorders section and back again in the last couple of weeks, and i have had hints there might be some change with this. Take with extra soy sauce. Natfka's Believe It Or Not.

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  5. I'm going to say this sounds like utter balls. Firstly where is the online petition with millions of signatures? Even the petition which has been given a fair amount of spotlight around the net to get GW to stop beg such a money whore only has just over 10k signatures. I highly doubt that any petition for anything related to GW could get close to 100,000 let alone millions.

    Secondly if anything, maybe Matt Ward left because of the consistent abuse rather than one death threat. I mean come on, our community is mostly fat, socially awkward nerds. I'd be more afraid of a bunch of 10 year olds than a death threat from a wargamer.

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    1. If someone sent him a death threat because it made their game experience worse then I'd have to say this, that person has to be the saddest person on the planet. Even ten year olds don't get that upset when their gameboy breaks.

      Serriously doubt any of that happened and is just sad gamers looking to make the GW rumors more interesting than just plain old everyday buisness.

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    2. +1

      My first reaction to this: "Do millions of people even *play* 40k or WFB?"

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    3. GW does not have Mio of Fans.
      The number should be around 100.000 customers/aktiv players given the annual income.

      So the petition was quit well recived. Imagine all the Websites would have pushed and supported them. They could be at 30.000.

      In all fairness GW will not make big adjustments. But they also cant ignore it. Their annual Reports have been bad.

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    4. Yeah, we're generally all pretty in the loop here, when was this stealth petition that no-one has heard of going around and getting millions of signatures? Not even worth considering (Unfortunately. I could do with a 'nid dex by someone else next go 'round)

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  6. If they just released a plastic cannoness, a box set that with 3 options that cost even as much as £25-£30 that had the options to make seraphim, battle sisters or one of the other types heavy/elites, then finecasted a few other things even from the current metal molds I would happily throw my xmas money at 6 boxes and 2 cannonesses right now

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    1. Agree, it is worth their while, but they need to get it right as some of the current metal models are pretty decent. But i think the point is there is demand and they wouldn't have to do much to satisfy it. Come on Sisters of Battle!

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  7. Not to get off topic but as far as the rumors go I don't think this implies the codex is going on sale this week.

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  8. what happen just before the release of the nid codex?... the judgment about unit without model, some of the model was not ready at that time so they remove them from the codex.
    The new how to paint book was out it's in the new release in the paint section of the site.
    Death threat are a court case, for Ward did you ever heard about contract, it just end not more.

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    1. There is none and it has never been rumored.

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  9. So what this guy is saying is that a petition for a niche hobby got more signatures than the net neutrality petition. Yeeeeeah that totally checks out.

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    1. Phil Kelly set up loads of different accounts and spent a lot of time on that petition!

      I joke of course... It was me...

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  10. I'm wondering if this is testing the water for Sisters and whether its worth them getting some love . . .

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  11. GW don't do market research "allegedly" so they are all sat there like:

    GW: "Sisters of Battle don't really sell at the moment so we won't focus on updating an army that not many people want"

    Meanwhile:

    Gaming community: "Sisters of Battle models are terribly outdated! If only GW would update them, then we would drop all our money on them!"

    Hopefully though with the 40k codices nearly all updated we will soon see an end to this vicious cycle and finally see Sisters get the Dark Eldar style model overhaul they deserve!

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    1. There is no "allegedly" about it. GW has openly said (some would say boasted) they do not do any market research.

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    2. How much market research is a relatively small company supposed to do to satisfy the gaming community. Sorry I think that having an economist on staff and a marketing dept. causes a company to engage in a lot more marketing research than you would think. Maybe they don't write essays on it for the public, but they do well enough to suggest they do market research.

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    3. I work for a smaller company that does more research and thinks they dont do enough.

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  12. The SoB Exorcist on FW is an alternate model, so it's not really a big deal if it goes missing on FW, IMO. The big weird church organ tank is still available in the GW main site. So once again a whole lot of nothing in the SoB rumors department.

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    1. Also a few months back FW confirmed that they are dropping off low selling kits to make room for future release. All of the Tallarn guard minis were dropped so I'd say the same has happened for the Exorcist. Now if the Repressor disappears then we can start speculating because that is the only SOB exclusive FW tank.

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    2. FW models get temporarily pulled from time to time. I don't know much about FW's inner workings, but from my experience as a customer I suspect they keep little stock and most models are cast on demand. When resin moulds start showing signs of wear and tear, models will be pulled from sale for a while until new moulds are produced.

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    3. The FW Exorcist is also one of their older tank models (and being little more than a Whirlwind, one of their plainer ones) so it could be it's getting an update.

      That said, a FW SoB book with, say, a new Knight would be awesome.

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    4. Sisters would need a major overhaul to get their own FW book. They only have a few unique tanks and then everything else is shared between the rest of the imperial factions. They got a nice little section at the back of the IA 2 second printing which gave them a nice little update. So I wouldn't get my hopes up for their own book just yet.

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  13. That last part sounds like absolute bollocks.

    Ward left GW to pursue a career in writing his own fiction.
    There is no Cruddace petition with that many sigs.

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    1. Given the relative strengths of his talents in rules writing/fiction writing that is a strange decision.

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    2. Given that his fiction was generally better than his unit design I don't think it was a bad choice!

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    3. he did seem to have stuff up his sleeve already - since not long after news got out about him going he had a website, social media stuff, and on Good reads he 'owned up to' a book written under a pen name. https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/8508065.Matthew_Ward

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  14. Also: While I don't doubt that Sisters are on their way based on the design studio's comments this year, I can't see GW flitching the Exorcist from FW because 1) they don't and 2) I really doubt that GW will make space for another plastic Rhino variant which will overall be the least popular compared to their poster boys. No, they're better off letting FW handle it.

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    1. GW already makes an Exorcist kit, have for years. It's way better than the FW one in my opinion, and I wouldn't be all that surprised if the sales on the FW version bore that out.

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    2. I'd say the forge-world exorcist looks better than the GW one.
      That organ thing look dumb to me

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    3. Ha! Of course they do, I just overlooked it. My bad!

      They're still better off letting FW handle it :D

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  15. FRom what I heard (spoke with a dude at Warhammer fest) they have changed the writing teams so it's more of a team effort, which it seems most dexes were already. That's why there's no author names on them now.

    So likely is that in the shuffle, Ward was bumped off/offered a package by GW to go (a lot of older mins designers have gone - are they getting rid of staff who've made their way to higher wages over the years?) or didn't want a 'new' job.

    Cruddace may be the same, was offered a new job and doesn't diretctly write any more, or does write but just isn't credited for it, and it's harder to tell as he's now tempered by other writers.

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  16. yeah, everybody hated ward except blood angel's players who, thanks to him, back in 5th edition had a balanced, funny and interesting codex to play with... until everybody cried like little retarded childs about it, and gw too TWO editions just to screw it, making it worst and even more worst to the point that now is litteraly unplayable at a slightly competitive level. but yeah, everybody blames matt ward, not the stupid little whiners on the internet...

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  17. You know there are people out there that love or hate certain people or things with no actual knowledge as to why that feel that way. Like when Steve Jobs died and everyone on the Internet started crying out "OH STEVE JOBS, OH WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU, YOU WERE SO KIND AND PEACEFUL, OH THE HUMANITY OF IT ALL, YOU WERE SO LOVED BY EVERYONE, YOU'LL HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART". People had no idea who the guy actually was. If I recall, some of his co-workers did not like because they he was being a jerk. Honestly I have no idea because I never met him. He was a heck of a worker, no question about that. Putting apple on the map was no small feat. But to actually start balling over him? Those people need to have known him personally to actually be that upset. Of course there are people he just simply "loved" him because of the apple products he put out but didn't actually care for him.

    Now in the case of GW writers: people actually don't know why they actually hate some of the writers. Some guy BoLs said something about the writer of the codex did something and they're hated, as an example, or a rule has been changed that has little to no affect to the army. Question is do we really know why we hate them? No. We don't know them and we need stop pretending that we do. Why decisions were made? We don't know other than they wanted to try something new. Imo, I like the stuff that ward and cruddace put out.

    They made things more fun and interesting. If you don't like it, fine, but don't discourage others from enjoying it. Especially when it's something or someone you have very little knowledge about.

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  18. On the picture with missing blood angels, necrons aren't there either.

    Suspicious, considering they are the only ones without codexes

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  19. An online petition deriding Cruddace collected millions of signatures? LOL
    There arent even 1 million people that play Warhammer worldwide, let alone millions who would bother to sign a petition. Sweet rumor! Keep em coming

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