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The End Times: Khaine Leaked Images



There are some leaked images now floating around on the forums revealing the contents of the End Times: Khaine sold out book release. There are some amazing things in there, including pages showing the new magic lores, Tyrion who is 700pts, Malekith the Phoenix King and Malekith the Eternity King who sits at an amazing 1000pts.


There is much more there, including the rules for a Host of the Aestyrion army, Host of the Phoenix King army, and Host of the Eternity King army.

Here is a direct link to them, they are about half way down and posted by Curu Olannon on Ulthuan.net
http://www.ulthuan.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=67120&start=870

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    1. Even putting that aside, the spells are stupidly OP considering they can't be dispelled, and I don't like the way the fluff seems to be heading. And no, I'm not at all happy that an entire race of Elves seems to have been sidelined.

      I'm just sticking to non-ET games for now, I'm thinking.

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    2. Pah, race of elves being sidelined. Who cares about cowards who want to wait out the end times hiding in their secluded forest. My race of chaos dwarfs don't even have a mention outside of some attack on talabheim some time ago. You can rest easy knowing your race survives somehow. Mine could get squatted

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    3. Have to admit he had your number there, though!

      I'm gonna be disappointed if Lokhir Fell heart is dead. His fluff in the recent DE book was in my opinion the best.

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    4. @Thomas Gardiner: Except that End Times is and will become the standard rules of the game.

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    5. Might want to check the leaks again McDoogle. It clearly distinguishes between normal Warhammer and "games set during the End Times." Once again, your ability to not actually read properly leaves me amazed.

      And your source for the End Times rules being folded into 9th ed? What's that? You have no evidence? Thought so.

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    6. Actually most of the end times rules from book 1 have been faq'd into the BRB. 50% limits and lore of undeath are all official now

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    7. Fair point Chris S. I think its the army lists themselves that most people are worried about.

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    8. Pretty sure magic is more of a concern than the army lists. I was thinking the part about end times spells are more of a scenario thing, much like the legion ascendant (unbreakable daemons of particular gods, mortal buffs, summon daemon spells) are only for specific scenarios, despite what white dwarf/rumors told.

      Need to see more of the book to be certain

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    9. Hope Lokhir Fellheart survives... I could see him escaping with his life... and focusing on some good old fashioned pirating...

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    11. Thomas Gardiner: Surely you can play End Times and still play a Wood Elves army list as you normally would?

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  2. Gutted that Tyrion dies. I'm going to go and weep in the corner.

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    1. it's the End Times alright, but only if your model is super old

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    2. As long as GRRM doesn't get the memo...

      ...we'll be ok...

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    3. Malekith is far more interesting than Tyrion. He is definitely the kind of heavyweight the elves need for The End Times to take on the other big players like Nagash and that chaos guy... finally the elves get a super heavyweight.. about ruddy time...

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    4. Where does it say that tyrion dies?

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  3. I pray to all the Elven Gods this doesn't stick. Rules changed fine but fluff keeps me in the game far more and keeps me spending (Damn you Black Library and your beautiful books). This may kill Fantasy for me.

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  4. Aestyrion? really? we just mashing our fake words together to make even dumber fake words now?

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    1. It *is* the made-up language of Elvish so you can't really complain about it being composed of "fake words."

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    2. This is super nerdy, but due to how elvish words and phrases are written in the codexes and fluff, I think it literally translates to "army of tyrion", so not really made up...more so just perfectly encapsulating what it is.

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  5. wild leak inc http://imgur.com/a/M7NEO

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  6. i am enjoying all the whining about fluff changes though.

    its fluff, who cares. you can ignore it. you still have the basic High Elf army book

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    1. People wanted change, cried for the story to move forward...

      Then it happened, and they hated change, and cried for it to remain the same.

      That's the internet. They will hate what is, and what's to be. Then they will pretend everything from before was better (just because they themselves are now impotent).

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    2. Here's an idea, how about they move the fluff forward in a way that's thematic and gels well with the previous direction of the lore? No? We have to enthusiastically embrace any new fluff, even when it sucks? Because reasons?

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    3. I have never asked for the story to be moved forwards. I also do ignore the the fluff I don't like. It become harder to ignore when it effects the actual army composition however.

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    4. How has it effected your army composition? By keeping it exactly the same?

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    5. If the next set of army book follows the End Times army lists how can they not be changed?

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    6. yeah, the End Times army lists dont overwrite the basic ones.

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    7. No units have been removed, and unless you exclusively use certain characters your armies aren't going to change much.

      Besides most characters change every edition anyway.

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    8. This looks like an excellent progression in the story.. I hope it is consolidated in the next edition... this knocks 40K out of the park for me.. I'm back to Fantasy big time GW. thank you!

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    9. If you read the WD from last week, the design team talks about how they've had these plans for the End Times for a while, and even hints that Malekith ultimately taking over the Phoenix Crown was something that the fluff writers had decided years ago, they just needed to wait for the right time to release the information and move the story forward. End Times is that time.

      I think its fantastic- not just from a fluff position, where the craziest things we've ever imagined in the game are actually happening and drastically changing the power dynamic in the game, but from a rules standpoint - are you kidding me? Elf armies that include the best units from HE, DE, and WE, and all the units get all the best special rules from HE, DE, and WE? AMAZING

      Shit man, phoenix guard with martial prowess and murderous prowess? Wild Riders with those two rules, PLUS forest strider? Level 4 HE mages with loremaster of any lore they want, PLUS badass spells, PLUS +1 to cast high/dark magic? Amazing.

      I'm loving these armies, I'm loving the fluff, and I just wish they'd push the releases apart a bit more so my wallet could recover. Glottkin, new nids, new Nid campaign book, and Khaine in back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back weeks? Before christmas no less? Kill me now

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    11. All Elves one list is not remotely broken.. what is broken about it exactly? All Elf armies are strong in magic low in toughness... and bolt throwers is still bolt throwers... please tell me what unique combo is suddenly made possible combining these armies that makes the OP... Elf armies are much of a muchness?

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    13. That isn't a specific example.. I guess wood elves were missing heavy armour.. and the frostheart phoenix adds something interesting... what killer combo were you thinking of? They still don't have canons, or monstrous cavalry

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    15. I see Samus is using the fabled internet tactic of gross exaggeration on a thing that is happening, followed by something completely ridiculous, interspersed with overuse of ....... to seem like a mysterious intellectual when in actuality having a load of ...... in your comments makes it read like you're falling asleep or are just a slow thinker. carry on fighting the good fight, Samus!

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    17. Ok if they are obvious you should be able to highlight at least one... you manage to provide specific and ridiculous examples for other armies.. and yet nothing specific to support your actual argument... go on give it a bash.. what is the most "broken" elf combo you would use? I accept they are better than before but "broken" compared to the other End Times armies fielded by Nagash and the Glottkin well i just don't see it...

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    18. I actually agree. Now you'll be able to take HE with the better WE archers, or WE with Silver Helms or WE with witches+couldron.

      Each army has weaknesses (WE probably more so than the other two) and now you can take units to fill those holes and remove the weakenss.
      lacking some shooting? Take Wood Elves
      lacking some magic? take warlocks or sisters of the thorn
      lacking some bigger creatures? Take treemen or hydras or phoenix
      Wood Elves get bolt throwers
      No reason to take normal spearmen now when you can have WS5 Ld9 Stubborn Eternal Guard.... the list goes on.

      I imagine every elf army will now include wildriders, silver helms and doomfire warlocks.

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    20. What I want to know is how on earth in the fluff were the high elves 'ok' with malekith taking over their bloody island! Can someone please explain???????

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    22. "and now you can take units to fill those holes and remove the weakenss"

      golly its almost like an ally system or something

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    23. Reddrascal the book isn't out yet, but from the white dwarf it seems that malekith was supposed to be the pheonix king originally, but morathi manipulated events to have him burned and scorned, so her pleasure cults had a leader and a safe haven in naggaroth. Since then teclis has been interpreting the strands of fate and working with malekith to help pull strings behind the scenes to make him phoenix king again when finubar is found dead. Not in an evil way, but in a "the strands of fate have shown me he is our only salvation during the end times" kind if way.

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    24. But he's evil. Really bloody evil. I can't imagine the likes of the everqueen being ok with all this especially considering the destruction malekith has wrought over the years. The druchi are sworn enemies of everything that's pure and good. As soon as they settle on ulthaun or wherever they'll burn places like averlorn down. And as for the witch king taking on tyrion. Not a bloody chance!

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    25. @Inquisitor: although you demonstrate there are some improvements by combining the armies (bolt throwers for wood elves), some of your examples are flawed. Big creatures exist across all three armies, magic wielding units exist between two, magic exists in abundance in all of the elf armies, and when it comes to their units there are so many similarities, that swapping any of the cavalry evens out and all the more specialised infantry evens out... e.g. Cold One Knights vs Dragon Princes, Phoenix Guard vs Black Guard. Eternal Guard may have stubborn but they will still die in droves. The most broken army i can think of is wood elves plus bolt thrower l, frost phoenix, dragon knights, and black guard, but this army is still very squishy... with strengths and weaknesses... I wouldn't call that broken...

      @Samus - perhaps if all answers are so obvious it might not be worth bothering with questions or answers or dialog... your choice..

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    26. ^ or mayhaps any answer i try to give you'll try and debunk as not being good enough like you did with Inquisitor.

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    27. @Samus I do kind of see what Inquisitor is saying although I don't agree it's broken... but I don't get is which particular combo people are worried about... or why this is any more OP than any of the other End Times lists.

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    28. ^ i view it as being broken just like the other ET lists. however the undead/chaos one is fluffy. the elven one breaks it's own fluff to work. it is broken because it is similar to Herohammer but with allies or might as well be, in this case you have the best of each types of army without the disadvantages, shooty/magic/combat why take the units that aren't the best when you can write a list that has the better stats and totally exclude the ones that don't. that essentially creates an issue like we have for 40k currently.

      i don't play DE/WE [though i do collect all elf models from fantasy]. only HE so i don't have specific combos in mind though a seasoned elf player won't take long to exploit any if and when found.

      read this as: forget i said anything.

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    29. Cheers Samus. Food for thought. Thanks.

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    30. The lists are stupid broken. The magic itself is broken enough.

      Don't use ET lists against vanilla army lists.

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  7. I have a suspicion that maybe Marathi was involved in the phoenix Flames burning malekith all those years ago. It's clear there were shenanigans and she seems to have ended up on the wrong side of the end times (the dead side). I also wouldn't rule out new Imrik and malekith models, could be a dual kit!

    Loving the big shake up of the fluff, I used to be a big DE player and am sorely tempted to get back into it now!

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    1. Good for you! I think Dark Elves are coming out of this the best so far and if it brings an old player back to the table that's something positive.

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    2. Even if they are going to come out with new Malekith and Imrik models, I will never understand how could they not make them earlier, so we wouldn't have to stare at those god awful old metal models.

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    3. Yeah I don't think they're coming out anytime soon, since they took the god awful malekith model and put him on the cover of the WD last week...but you can always make a solid model to represent either out of the HE/DE dragon sets. Very good kits, both.

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  8. Tyrion dies. The Widowmaker loses its power, and Malekith casts the now-simple weapon into the ocean. The ocean itself is claiming Ulthuan bit by bit, now that the Vortex is broken.
    Malekith tells Alarielle to save their people, and another thing:

    ‘You have work to do. Save our people,’ Malekith told the Everqueen, sparing a brief glance for dead Tyrion. ‘He really is the very image of my father, you know.’
    Alith Anar is actually still the very same elf from all the way back. The "its just a title carried down through the generations" speculation is false. Malekith and Alith have a heart-to-heart, and Alith shot the now-Phoenix King close by his heart, with the arrow-tip lodged inside Malekith's chest.

    ‘My arrow tip rests next to your heart, and you will never be able to remove it. The agony it causes shall suffice as my vengeance for as long as you serve our people. Fail them, and my next shot will take your life.’
    ‘Your threats mean nothing,’ Malekith growled.
    ‘Then you have nothing to fear,’ Alith Anar replied.
    Alarielle visits Malekith afterwards, and tells him it would be better to have Alith believe he actually has Malekith on a leash instead of provoking revenge for killing the Anar prince, and that their people are finally back together. She leaves him with the arrow tip in his hand, and Malekith muses that "Perhaps the illusion of fulfilling his ancient oaths of vengeance would mature Alith and make him a useful member of the court. He certainly had deadly skills, and Malekith had an empire to rebuild."

    The final part tells us of how the elves make their home in Athel Loren, as Lileath had told Teclis they would be safe there. Malekith and Alarielle get married, and Malekith gets "crowded again" as Phoenix King. They believe that things would begin anew, the cycle of rebirth and death continuing.

    Only the future would reveal whether the son of Aenarion could truly overcome so much personal bitterness and strife and become the ruler the elves needed.
    But then:

    Such a pity that neither Malekith nor the elves had any future, for the Rhana Dandra was the End Times and there was to be no new beginning, only more death and misery.
    Lileath had lied to them. They had sanctuary, for a while, but all things fall to Chaos.
    Eventually.
    Looks like Asuryan isn't the only one playing the elves false there, eh?

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    1. Is this from the book or some nice prediction?

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    2. The last three paragraphs sound a bit dodgy to me...

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    3. As Tyrion's body lay cold Malekith leaned down and whispered: "I'm gonna marry your waifu." He stood and threw a few desultory hip thrusts toward the Everqueen. "On our wedding night I'm gonna make her do some pretty sick stuff." He winked and clicked his tongue.

      "Maley, you coming?" The Everqueen called back from outside.

      "Yeah, one minute." The new Phoenix King shouted back. With a foot he nudged Tyrion's body off the edge of the cliff and chucked as it tumbled into the sea. "Later, nerd."

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    4. I like it.... and Tyrion fell through a small part of the remaining vortex and emerged in a far off land. He awoke strangely smaller, a diminuitive version of his former self... saying "A Lannister always pays his debts... I'll get you Malekith!".

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  9. With Tyrion summoning the undead and Nurgle's big spell called the Circle of Life I'm starting to feel like I'm playing the good guys

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  10. I'm willing to bet that, as bad as the end times gets for every race (except chaos!) so far, the lizardmen come in and freaking save the world in some massive way, bringing the end times to an end and ushering in 9th edition. Honestly, they're the only race left that is powerful enough, or WAS powerful enough, to actually do anything about the chaos incursions around the world, deal with nagash, and save the elves from extinction now that ulthuan is falling into the ocean.

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    1. ..and then a beautiful princess kissed the Slann mage priest turning the frog into a handsome prince..

      But seriously you're probably right except I wouldn't completely exclude the involvement of some human gods and goddesses... I can see it now... The End Times - The Lady...

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    2. Wouldn't it be funny if at the climax of the End Times, the Slanns get together and cast a massive spell that winds back time a few hundred years and we all go back to normal fantasy for 9th ed

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    4. As long as its not "and with that, mazdamundi's dream came to an end and he arose from his century long slumber"...

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    5. End times: Old Ones....
      That would be interesting!

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    6. Yes, this better not be a dream... am keen on The End Times alliances sticking so long as they also preserve the individual factions.. am interested to see what The Horned Rat brings to the table... Night Goblins and Skaven would be a hilarious combo....

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    7. They will probably drag end times out a couple of yeaes and culmimate in chaos destroying the world. Then fantasy will become a skirmish game of roving warbands

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  11. So does that mean korhill captain of the white lions and tullaris dreadbringer of the har ganeth executioners are best of buddies now??

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