Chaos Space Marines are something we very much want to see and find any real additional information. This morning we have new Chaos rumors that will stir things up.

These come to us via Tastytaste from Blood of Kittens. He is often cryptic and vague, but often with things that turn out right. Many of us remember his rumor sets from Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, and Necrons. There was quite a bit of decent information then, so I am sure we are hoping his information will be on top of it again, even if it sometimes gets a little cryptic. (I personally enjoy his rumors).

Please remember that these are rumors. Salt Required

via Tastytaste
It is about time we get some information on the new Chaos Space Marine codex. Before we get right into let us start out with some ground rules.

The Chaos Space Marine codex is the only 40k codex for this year. It is not going to be divided into two codexes or anything special. This is not the return 3.5 codex everyone has been wanting this is more a clean up than anything else.


With that said let us get started.
Troops choices will be Chaos Space Marines and Cultists

All Cult Marines are Elites

No new Special Characters

Special Characters will unlock Cult Marines as troops (Kharn for Berserkers and so on)

Typhus makes Cultists into Zombies

Chaos Dreadnaught is removed and replaced with a new unit (like how pariahs were replaced with Lychguard)

CSM now get a Flyer a Mechanical Chaos Dragon (model is done will be part of initial release)

Lesser and Greater Demons are gone

Spawn replaced by “Fell Beast”

I feel like I am missing something…
Oh yeah…
Almost Forgot...
Rules for Traitor Guard are in!


Comments via Natfka
Chaos Dreadnought being replaced? I imagine its simply being replaced with another dreadnought type unit. Contemptor style? Maybe reclassed as a daemon engine that is customizable?

A Mechanical Chaos Dragon, I have no idea what this one means. Just a Dragon named flyer?

Lesser and Greater Daemons are gone? Good riddance, we want marines and cultist, and traitor guard


Comments via BramGaunt
As far as I've been told the unlock thing is correct, BUT!

Kharn, Ahriman etc unlock cult troops as general troop choices, as many as you whish. I heard that for each general HQ choice you grant a mark of a Chaos God, you can take one Cult Unit as core aswell. So, an army with Kharn could have as many Units of Berzerkers to go along with him as he whishes, because he's usually surounded by these guys. If you 'only' have a Chaos General with Khorne's favor he still may grant one unit of his favorites to the general to support his cause.

I was also told that you would have to name one of your HQs as your army's general, because that's the one who'll give you troop choices. So if you had Ahriman and Kharn, you'd have to pick between berzerkers and Thousand Sons as troop choices, you won't have both

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  1. ....

    Unfortunately sound fairly plausible. I like some things, dislike others, others are bizarre.

    Yay: Cultists, traitor guard, hints of more daemon engines

    Boo: emphasis on special characters, loss of daemons (unless by "gone" it's a tease that there's a name change, like to daemon packs)

    Huh?: Fell beasts, hopefully just includes chaos spawn as an option. Chaos dragon wtf? A giant plastic mechanical dragon figure on its own would be cool, but as part of CSM...eh.

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    1. I'm right there with ya Taurus!

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    2. Boo indeed. How the hell am I going to have a demon summoning cultist army without demons? And this tendency to make people use special characters to make interesting armies is stupid. What if I want a Death Guard army that's not led by Typhus? Not every Berserker raiding party is lead by Kharn. What the fuck?! I hope it's not all true or at least not like it sounds.

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    3. We have never agreed on anything Sons but I will agree a flying mechanical dragon doesnt seem to fit the CSM style. Cultists maybe but marines?

      And no, dont turn my reply about agreeing with you into a flame war.

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    4. I suspect that we actually agree on quite a bit.

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  2. This all sounds shite chaos dragons and cult troops as elite unless special HQ very poor

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  3. This looks like less reason to take 'nilla Chaos Marines, now that they still have to compete in the troops area with what will most likely be cheap objective holders.

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  4. I just bought a forge world dreadnought...

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  5. Very good information! I can only one doubt about the legions as the Black Legion, how they turn cultists units as troops?, if no there is a character in the legion branded!

    Abaddon iwould turn the Termis as troops?

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  6. Nooooooooo.

    This is terrible news, and if it winds up being true, then death guard are well and fully nerfed. Typhus is a crap HQ, as are all HQ's in terminator armor. Death Guard warbands are splintered, they don't all have freaking Typhus leading them. If they change this to the marked HQ unlocks that unit as a troops choice for all 6 slots, then fine.

    If that isn't the case, the dex will ruin what it was supposed to fix, the fact that the old legions weren't represented by the old book.

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    1. Ugh and I just realized that my 3 chaos dreads may be worthless as well, hopefully the rumor is bunk.

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    2. Well those old Chaos Dreads looked like garbage anyway so count yourself lucky. ;)

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    3. In regards to death Guard getting nerfed, I think you're trying to use the old rules with the new dex. Typhus and other named HQ's will be getting redone too. Typhus might be the best new char out there, we don't know yet. And it might boil down to just have the HQ but call it another name.

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    4. Machine God, they're conversions from SM dreads. I put so much work in :(

      Anon,

      Typhus wears terminator armor, that won't be changing, and that means he'll be useless. I won't be playing with a land raider so im out of luck on running that army if this all pans out. Thankfully I've got a handful of astral claws started

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    5. Ah. Yeah then I feel your pain. I've got a converted up Nurgle Dread that's faceplate is replaced by piles of zombie heads. And I've got a Tzeentch Dread that is heavily converted as well. The Nurgle dread is from the marine kit and the Tzeentch one is based off the Forge World body With Sentinal legs. I've put a tone of work into them as well. They better still be viable. I've been looking forward to this new codex quite a bit hoping to make a decent list from my Death Guard and Thousand Sons. I hope they dont' screw it up. Though I've been generaly happy with the Codices up to this point. (Minus the Sisters.)

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    6. lol, terminator armour sucks? eating your words now with the power sword nerf arent you?

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  7. Man....I like the old rumors better :( Too bad TastyTaste is usually spot on. If this is the case, I don't see how CSM becomes the new big bad guys of the Tourney Scene Traitor Guard or no Traitor Guard. Also no mention of drop pods.

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  8. I'm pleased I lost interest in chaos.

    This has justified my decision to go Xenos.

    The only good thing in that, from my point of view, is the traitors and cultists.

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    1. Then you'll be waiting till 2020 for an update. In white dwarf :P
      I think we should all be glad it's not another flavour of space marine

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    2. The Xenos I picked was Necrons. No wait required :P

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  9. is anyone else having trouble accessing the blood of kittens site?

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    1. yeah its completely down, not sure why

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    2. hmm ok thanks, im just wondering how naftka got these rumors then?

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    3. I'm lightning fast, obscenely intelligent,and can smell a rumor the second its written down from at least 2 continents away. :)

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    4. Question:

      What do rumours smell like?

      Either you have freakishly large nostrils, or the smell must be really strong.

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    5. Some smell more than others.

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    6. Plus Tasty totally teased the rumor so everyone was watching with eagle eyes

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  10. If these rumors are true, I have a lot of Forge World models that comprise a complete World Eaters army at 2k points, that won't be usable at the same time any longer. That would be quite irritating.

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    1. TristanAquaeusRodentbaneApril 27, 2012 at 8:11 AM

      Agreed, I have Well in excess of 3k worth of FW Berzerkers, Dreadnaughts, etc... no regular csm at all...these rumours sound....awful. If they wanted a lost and the damned codex they should've made it, not tried to shoehorn it into the book that everyone thought/hoped would bring back proper legion representation.

      -Two cents

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    2. Yep, wasn't even counting all the pre-heresy kit that can be used as normal CSM, though is still painted as World Eaters. I just got five of the pre-heresey assault marines kits to use as a couple of raptor squads with some extra special weapons for swapping about.

      Still, I suppose I could order some of the new apothecaries and use them all as "counts as Blood Angels."

      Wouldn't that be hilarious, in order to field the World Eater army I currently field from the existing CSM 'dex, I'll have to use "counts as," because the new CSM codex removes the possibility.

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    3. God those apothecaries are beautiful. I'm def getting them for my Astral Claws Corpse Takers

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  11. Chaos is begin to grow.

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  12. Ive never posted here, lurked a lot... but this irks me to a highest degree.

    How can these rumors be true, for the past 6 months we have been hearing "Chaos will be the next Uber army like Gray Knights".

    This rumor set puts the latest starter edition into question, if dreads are gone then that eliminates the starter rumor.

    If they get rid of daemons and spawn, why give us a dragon. That doesn't make sense, they should also have gotten rid of the defiler as it is part daemon.

    This set or rumors seems so left field, I cant believe most of it outside of the ones that have already been poked at, like the cultists.

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    1. They might still be a rock hard army, which is why cult marines are elite.

      You've probably noticed the starter set changes so often it's not even worth stressing over.

      If, very big IF, 6th Edition brings back allied armies then perhaps Daemons are to be summoned allies from Codex Daemons. Spawn might still appear after a 'Boon of Mutation' power.

      The Dragon is probably all they could think of for a chaos flyer, without copying Forge World.

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    2. But they've just f***ed FW up anyway ... They've removed Chaos dreadnoughts, made cult units harder to get (there go their conversion kits), and put traitor guard in the codex - single-handedly (if this is true) destroying most of what siege of Vraks was good for.
      I'm not believing this until I see more or until we get a rumour which says we do still have decent units, and can use most of our current armies.

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  13. It seems to be a trend of the chaos codex to invalidate lots of chaos armies that people already have upon release of a new edition of codex. Anyone else feel the same?

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    1. I don't feel that trend is limited to chaos.

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    2. It may not be limited, but i think it is most prominent in chaos. Like the way they completely removed cultists, and daemons(not counting the gimped generic ones), those where things that almost all armies seemed to have, not to mention all the themed army rules and like the basilisk and stuff. And now it sounds like they plan to bring a bunch of that stuff back, basically screwing over anyone who sold the models that they couldn't use and probably piss of anyone who held on to them simply out of the fact that they couldn't use their minis for the span of the 4th ed version.

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    3. I started playing in 5th edition. My army contains a daemon prince of nurgle, a Khorne lord in terminator armour, 2 units of chosen with Mark of Tzeentch (1k sons aesthetic), some Khorne terminators, 1k sons and plague marines. The general (bad) fluff was that the nurgle daemon prince had enlisted the help of the other legions to help him recover daemonic artefacts of untold power, and had promised a share to the Khorne and Tzeentch marines. It's a half decent army, but now it's been completely nerfed by this.
      I can now no longer take either of my troop choices, without buying more models and replacing my HQs and/or elites.
      Thanks, Games Workshop.

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    4. See the proof is in the pudding, as proven by our friend shrike. Now im not saying that i don't want a new chaos codex, or that im not gonna like the new one(i probably will like it), im just saying that invalidating chaos armies with the next edition is just what games workshop DOES.

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    5. Don't worry. Airbrush dark green, wash darker green, hey presto! A 'counts as' Dark Angels army!
      Although, on second thoughts, maybe turning them into Blood Angels would be better until Dark Angels get a codex.

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    6. Well In any event we won't know for sure until after 6th drops. I'm trying really hard to not be bitter about all of this, because honestly what does GW owe me and I've already gotten MASSIVE amounts of replayability out of the game. Also with the Rumors we have no idea how the army will play until we see points levels. If Noise Marines are elites but are only 18 Points per with Sonic Weapons. Well then They just became media darlings didn't they.

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    7. @Shrike et al:

      You're treating this as though it's not a rumour, which it is, so swallow it with some salt and come back down to the dinner table - your regular serving of GW spaghetti still tastes the same. Until GW releases said Chaos Codex, keep faith in your kitchen staff and in what they re cooking for you.

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    8. Fair enough. My concern is based on the fact that Tastytaste is normally quite accurate with rumours. Anyway, I'll leave this rumour to gather dust and await the next rumours with great interest...

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    9. You'd think everyone would be having a heart attack by now with the amount of salt we've been told to take

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    10. Even though Ima a doctor and have seen some gruesome things.... Findig a patient with their body fully stuffed with salt would make me cringe. That's saying somethig....

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  14. What happened about dark angels i mean. Come on if gw put a pic of spines of white dwarf (it is a dark angel confirmed from store manager) they wouldn't bring out a codex

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    1. It was all speculation. Oh a new DA Codex! The NEW Poster Boys! They are in the new starter set! Huge novels coming out for them at the end of the year!

      No facts have ever been generated from anyone about anything other than its a pic on the spine of the WD. Maybe that's all it is.

      We won't know what is true until its announced from leaked WD pages anyway. Hence Natfka numerous warnings... These are rumors, take with salt.

      But of course I came looking to see more people posting like what you did about the DA and hear the wails of foul! :)

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    2. I believe th want for DA and the spine/ suppose starter set and paintset, gave us all the impression they just HAD to be next. I alway though chaos would get it before DA. So maybe we went WAAAAAY over speculative abou them :P it happens....

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  15. Tastytaste is the one who has been claiming for months that Dark Angels are next and that he's been saying their imminent for a year. When the WD spine got noticed GW took credit for saying as much.

    WTF.

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  16. Well im annoyed about the ammount of 40k releases

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  17. It is actually literally a dragon, but a daemon engine. It is about the size a storm raven or equivalent.

    Grant

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    1. I want it now... Do you have any idea o the price, Grant? (better start saving up...)

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    2. Grant,
      Maybe you can help us a little. ( i know you do not like to give out anything).

      I just cannot grasp the concept of a metal flying dragon. I mean is it an old flyer type that is just daemonized? Can this thing transport troops?.... I dont get it. Does this thing flap its wings?

      It just seems so fantasy, even though its mechanical.

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    3. Shrike, a good guess is $66 for a large kit like this. Same as a storm raven or a valkryie.

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    4. Depending on the look of this" dragon" I may pick one up for a conversion for necrons or some other army.... Sounds neat

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    5. Imagine a dragon made of "fire" and coverd in a platemale armor and you won't be too far off. That is the best discription I can give.

      Some of the concept art shows it mauling a valkyrie mid flight. It is pretty cool.

      But I've said too much!

      Cheers,
      Grant

      (I told you guys those warseer guys were full of shit mates! lol Tastey Taste is 100% on the bloody money.)

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    6. Just curious Grant, but what base would this model be on? As I tend to think of dragons being lengthy and Iam pondering how even a flying bass could properly balance a presumed rectangle shape dragon evenly without to much tipping to the front or possible wings.

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    7. Thanks Grant, that was more than I expected. Hope you dont mind if I post up on that. A large mechanical dragon of fire grappling a valkryie sounds pretty cool.

      I still am having a hard time with the image though of how it fits into Chaos Space Marines. I am guessing its not a transport.

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    8. so basically its a flying eldar avatar of khaine then, with slightly different looks :P

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  18. With GW's tendency as of late to release huge creatures, the dragon thing sounds plausible, if retarded. Same with the dread (most likely a walker about the size of a Triarch Stalker, if I were to guess). Dumb, and completly contrary to the fluff, but it kinda makes sense.
    Christ, I hope this is wrong. The loss of deamons wouldn't be that bad, unless you play Word Bearers, but not getting dreads and cult terminators would be a blow. In fact, not getting a modernized 3.5 codex would be a terrible blow altogether. My Iron Warriors and my Emperor's Children can stay in their boxes, if that'd be the case. I'd rather stick with my loyalists or my necrons.

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  19. I have no interest in flyers and hate this new gimmick to trick people into buy large expensive kits

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  20. Hopefully it is also like Space Marines Captain on Bike unlocking Bikes as troops as well, so maybe something like: CHaosgeneral with Mark XY unlocks XY as Troops.

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  21. I think people are getting a bit overexcited by the wording of certain elements of these rumours.

    I'd imagine like Natfka said Dreads are being changed to 'Daemon Engines' or something similar. Dreads sell by the bucketload, thats why FW makes a million versions of them!

    As for the Dragon thing... well, a Storm Raven isnt a giant mechanical eagle is it? It'd be a bit funny if the Chaos equivalent of the SR was called a 'Night Hawk' or 'Storm Crow' or something. It was always going to be called something more evil sounding wasnt it?

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  22. God damnit, I wanted to do the Lash, Plague Marine, Vindicator list, wtg GW.

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  23. Hmmm when has GW released a codex that didn't add at least 1 new SC? Hmm i can't verily recall. Either GW I lazy or lost it's creativity....

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  24. They're doing it this time too... Also the Dragon flyer won't be a "mechanical dragon" Dragon is it's name appearently (by reading the rumor again).

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  25. maybe it's new GW politic: "quality over quantity", who knows, maybe that's why we will get only one codex in this year...

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  26. Can we just go back to 2nd edition please?

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  27. The whole play Lucius to play Emperors Children sucks donkeyballz. Its a rotten system which is a bad and sad fix, I can live with almost any other thing as long as Im not forced to play HQ x to play a cult army. As others have pointed out there are more commanders amongst the 4 dedicated legions then Lucius, Kharn, Ahriman and Typhus.

    Fuck that.

    More and more inclined to agree with Ouroboros on roll back to 2nd...

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  28. No, just read that the demons will be taken out of the new codex... no.. that was the one thing I loved about chaos... as I lauched my demons in to battle.. I am hoping that is a false rumor. Please be a false rumor.

    As for traitor guard, I would put them in.. but a dragon in 40k? That does not make sence. Unless it a kharne thing. I do thing the need a a form of storm bird, or storm egale to get them in to battle quicker.

    Peloquin

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  29. I hope they keep bikers with icons. And maybe lower the point cost. XD

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