The Dark Angels are just right around the corner now, and with the new White Dwarf being released already in some countries (notably Denmark.... lucky souls), we are now able to gleam a little bit more information on just what we are going to be seeing.


This bit is also from Lars, who gave us a first inside look at the January White Dwarf yesterday (he has the White Dwarf in his hands). If you missed it, don't worry, here is the link. http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/12/dark-angels-units-details-from-wd.html#more

via Lars Emil of Denmark, from the Faeit 212 inbox
More tid bits from WD of note:

- In the battle report, the DA scouts are listed under Troops, so it looks like they have finally been moved to that section
- the DW terminators are still listed as Elite, so if the rumour that you don't need Belial to field a DW army is true, there must be another way of doing it (e.g. selecting a Comp. Master in TDA or something - there is (as far as I can tell from the small picture) no rule to make them Troops under their own entry.
- RW Knights and Sammael have the Skilled Rider USR
- DW Knight Champion (called Knight Master) is mentioned as wielding "the flail of the Unforgiven" (no rules sited), considering the name, perhaps it has special rules.
- in the battle report Adam Troke (playing DA) selects Flakk missiles for his tactical marine missile launcher, so it's not only Devastators, who can take that upgrade.
- LS Vengeance is listed as a Heavy Support entry.
- RW still have homing beacons.
- and in response to a comment I read: Yes, DA of course still has normal Land Speeders.


-In the battle report Adam's librarian I TDA has two mastery levels, so apparently you can buy more than the one.
-And his Chaplain is an HQ entry, so apparently no 3 for 1 Elite choice like the rumours said
- And the Dark Talon has hover mode

Regards
Lars Emil
Denmark

87 Comments:

  1. Thanks for the additional info! I can't wait to get my hands on all the DA goodies!

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  2. Is there any word of Stern/vanguard units coming into the codex?
    And i thought the chaplain rumour was too good to be true tbh.

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    1. I wouldent expect Stern/Vanguard as the Deathwing/Ravenwing sort of act like the "elites" in this army. I would be very suprised to see those Vet units when DA vets get inducted into both those companies.

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    2. Considering DA have a Veteran Unit I wouldn't be surprised if they did get it.

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  3. Gutted the duel wielding inner circle unit was only a myth :( that was sounding awesome.

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    1. Agreed :( I was looking forward to a gunslinging unit!

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  4. I was really hoping for the plasma pred personally.

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    1. With the land speeder having the crazy plasma cannon I don't think they need a plasma pred now. Plus the speeder is more to their fluff of fast sweet rw speeders

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  5. Just because it is not in the battle report does not mean they do not exist.

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    1. Yep. No one has seen the Codex (to report about at least) so some things might still be forthcoming.

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    2. Yeah, I'd heard, quite recently by someone with a copy of the WD, that this is only the first wave, but we'll have to wait a few more weeks.

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    3. Good, still hope for the gunslingers!

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    4. Agreed! I want to run a green army!

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  6. Ment to Say thanks to Natfka and Lars Emil yesterday. We are now even more endebted to them :D

    Keep up the reports and rumor sifting :D

    TY
    Anurien

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  7. Now that the Dark Angel confirmations are coming in. Can we please stop posting Rumors from Stick Monkey. He was sooooooooooo far off the ball on this one that his posts are just becoming a waste of time.

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    1. yes it does

      GW will outline all the NEW & GOOD things DAs have now, if they do a bat.rep

      if its not in the WD its prob not new or good or worth mentioning


      wishfull thinking to belive the rules will get better once you read the dex or the faq hits.... changes will be minimal

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    2. Ye he is right, look at all the hellbrutes and dirge caster equipped weapons in the csm batrep... oh wait...

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  8. Who do they fight in the Battle Report? D:

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    1. I'm not real big on being a grammar nazi, but seriously, did anyone not expect them to be facing CSM? That's the exact opposite of ironic.

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    2. That would be a vocabulary nazi, not a grammer nazi. Just being a vocabulary nazi ;P

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    3. It is truly ironic how many people believe they understand how to use the word ironic yet they don't. What would make that (slightly) ironic is if the CSM the DA were fighting were Night Lords who had an allied company of fallen DA with them, not completely ironic, but it works.

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  9. I hope company vets can still take 2 pistols.

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  10. More DA disapointement

    should have been the titel :(
    this is not even on par with BAs
    let the QQing convince my fellow loaylists
    CSM better than DA and all we got are overpriced resculpts of existing figs + an LR priced stormtalon conversion and a expensive, ugly, useles speeder that gives steahlt to powerarmour units & uses up a good slot -.-

    very said day for the hobby

    the trend of "balanced" dexes and overpriced models will go on in the worst ed of the game we ever saw.

    what will the do in 7th?
    apoc units for 600,- that are mandatory to play?
    but have much worse rules than now? (i mean much more balanced) :D

    byebye hobby

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    1. Anon, can I have your stuff?

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    2. Rant, rant...
      OMG, we wanted an OP dex! Why we don't have it?!?!

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    3. I think the new models look great and I'm excited to read the codex. Let's try stay positive, there's way to much negativity in the online 40k community. Also use spell check, It's not that said of a day...

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    4. "Wahh, my army isn't going to be broken like Grey Knights! It's gonna be balanced! Waaaah!" - DA Anon - December 21, 2012.

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    5. And Grey Knights aren't even "broken" anymore in 6th. No more "no armor saves allowed" across the board; boots on the ground are important now for the objectives; have fun dealing with 5 Night Scythes, Draigo...

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    6. Feel free to swap Grey Knights with Necrons in that quote then. It was just a joke.

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    7. Congrats you have one second prize for the most angry and negative person in the internet.

      First was already taken.

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    8. my army is going to lose vs GK SW CRONS demons IG NIDS & Orks.... like before -.-

      sry people
      this is no joke

      the prices are way to high and the rules way to lame to make me want to buy more DA stuff for my army.

      The flyer & the wonkey speeder is the only real "new" thing... better termis and better bikes dont count (i can just use my old)

      This dex is the worst let down

      OFC its balanced and everybody els is going to be happy that nothing changed since the start of 6th. But come on!!! Do you really think the game is intressting now????

      Is it really fun that you don´t have to change anything when a new dex hits? Do you really think its a good thing no body will start DAs now and rather get SW or GK? wich are much cheaper and much better in game!

      srry but i´m just being realistic
      Its no fun loseing with a new dex and new models & haveing spend a ton of money!

      also it sucks that this is a nother f...ed up dex and we will have to wait for ages to get a new one or new models.

      I fear for tau eldar bt


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    9. You're not being realistic when you're making assumptions on how good the codex is before it's even out.

      If you're afraid of constantly losing to Nids and daemons and orks when this new dex hits, then you're probably just a bad player.

      If this codex is the same quality as CSM that's a GOOD thing. There are interesting and varied lists that can be made, without anything being auto include or broken. It also works to eliminate codex creep.

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    10. All the people that wished for another ward dex are the ones complaining now. Imagine their reaction if it turns out Ward did the daemon codex.

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    11. I am a DA Player and as of yet I do not see the problem with them being weak. Heck I haven't seen their stats and prices or, well anything.

      This codex will be better than the last codex. That there is a huge boon. And I am glad I get to play the army that no one is going to roll their eyes at and accuse me of playing a broken army.

      GK players feel me?

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    12. Thats the poin...their not weak & their not strong either... they are just mediocer boaring as hell to play and not comp!

      Sure there are interesting and varied lists that can be made, without anything being broken. But thats like saying oh you have the choice between 3 diffrent typs of sh!+ for dinner!

      Thats the problem... you can´t make strong comp lists with a mediocre weaksauce dex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      If people want to play balanced they should play with people that don´t want to play comp. GW should not make the dexes so that everybody has to play "balanced"

      I call it free win for noobs on 4+



      What shall i do with this DA dex... ask my opponent to make a weak list or play bad so its a fun game?

      I don´t see how this dex is an improvment over the current one with the rules so far. Its more like a... "buy this new overpriced stuff guide"!

      the flyer is the only thing intressting so far... but thats due to not makeing stormtalon available to other SM dexes -.-

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    13. Grow some balls?

      Seriously mate these rumors not only sound fantastic. As a chaos player they make me feel both jealous and grateful. Jealous of the awesome model support but grateful that their is vision behind the overall edition this time. Was once told by a mate with an inside tract on GW that they are going for the longer view this time round as such a solid meat and potatoes list is far better than a gimmicky OP one dimensional one!

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    14. i just want to say that Anon reminds me alot about Bity!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuPBbFOiygo

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    15. Seriously AnonymousDecember 21, 2012 1:13 PM....

      ive heard babies whine less incoherant then u..... the new DA dex is a blessing and if u cant feel it or see it then its ur issues bue lpease stop whining ur incoherant doomsdayprofesies like the mayans did.. none of it is true and none of it will come true.

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    16. So you don't have an issue with GW shitting out broken as hell codicies as "buy this overpowered stuff, bandwagoners!" guides? Seriously what is your problem dude. You can't say whether it's bad or not because nobody knows the rules, prices, etc. of the units. Just because it's not a stupid codex like release BA, release GK, or IG, doesn't mean that it's not strong or viable.

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    17. Are you people playing war gamea or are you just want confirmation that you are geeks without an ounce of knowledge what war is all about.
      Sorry I am Tired of whining abput stuff that i not at sale or stats not being released!
      Allthose people whining are the people who can't win a chess game because they lack the intelligence to have a decent strategy!

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    18. Hurr. DA have always been "all eggs in very few baskets" style of army. Either they pwn or die horribly. All these "omg my codex sux cuz i cant pwn erryone on turn 1" should either l2p or go play chess, there's a game with only one armylist and one scenario and mirror balance and there has been no new edition for 500 years and you can use the miniatures of any manufacturer to play it just as long as your opponent agrees.

      Also, MEQ/TEQ players crying delicious tears of RAEG when IG for the first time has a competitive codex as opposed to say, the earlier of the two 3ed codexes where just about anything is either horribly overpriced (ML/HF Chimera at 85 points, 10 Veterans with krak grenades at 130 points, I'm looking at you) or gimped (Hellhound anyone?) or limited (0-1 Veterans in Elites only, 1 Armoured Fist squad per infantry squad, no tank squadrons, stormys must be taken in a squad of 10).

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    19. That whole "I fear for you Eldar players" bit... You clearly didn't see the copy-paste job we got last time. If they give us a new UNIT Eldar will gain more variety than the got last time...

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    20. Snow, I think everyone has been crying tears of rage at the IG codex. It's pretty badly balanced. Strong? Yes. Broken? Yes.

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  11. Guys, grow up and stop whining... It's impossibe to make everyone happy, there's just too many of us playing this game and we all have our own way of seeing it. For those of you that dont like the game anymore, switch to another one. For those of you that still love the game, keep on playing! No need to have peeps vent and rant about the negative side of things... my 2cents.

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  12. I hope I just don't have to change any weapon load outs on my models. Hope Belial can take TH/SS still too.

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    1. Belial never had a model before, so it doesn't matter what your conversion had on it. GW wasn't going to ask everyone how they converted him before and cater the model as such.

      So you'll have one model that has to become something else.. boo hoo.

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    2. My Belial is from 4th ed so he's got lightning claws LOL. I'm going to have this really ornate Lysander bodied guy with claws just stuck in a squad mounted on a base way higher than everyone else.

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    3. At least its Lysander and not a finecast Calgar

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  13. I hope army organitzation will be:

    Elite:

    Black Knights
    DW Knights

    Fast Attack:

    Speeders
    Explorers

    Troops:

    DW
    RW
    and tactical.

    Normal chaplain shouldnt be HQ... Interrogator yes!!!

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    1. seems logical enough :). Although: normal Chaplains are HQs in SM, and their equivalent in Space Wolves are also HQs.

      While I agree that that Interrogators justifies a unique HQ slot just like the BA codex, its really nothing too out of the ordinary.

      I guess we'll see

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  14. I think this book is quite boss. Seems like it has alot going for it.

    TONS of plasma everywhere to tear up MEQ.
    People complain about Death Wing Knights having mauls but I think they will do quite well. I mean DA will probably have less problems dealing with MEQ than any army.

    With this army 3++ really is the new black! Storm shields on all DW knights. The wedding singer giving 3+ cover saves all over the place. Think about it. Plop it behind an aegis defence line. 3+ cover. Speed it with your Raven Wing units turbo bosing, 3+ cover. And we don't even know the rules of the fliers yet...........

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    1. Seems like the new trend is synergy. Not standalone deathstar builds. I look forward to the new books making people work for wins not just cutting and pasting a list that might as well win turn 1 on a roll of 2+ with a reroll.... aka GK and Crons

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    2. The Necrons have never been that way. People thought them borderline "fail" prior to the 6th edition rulebook dropping.

      Besides, those who play said books still have to find a way to earn the win. There is no autopilot win in this edition because of the missions.

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    3. WTF?
      boss????

      TH termis now have worse Clubs!

      Plasma everywere??? youre normal biker is twinlinked now and loses the bolter! Prob higher pointcost.

      3+ cover when you have 3+ armour doesnt help much... good oponents will just kill you with mass ap4 or worse shoots. Or they kill the speeder. Against most enemy fire this does nothing at all. This is only good for vehicles but the problem with that is vehicles die so easy in melee its not even funny. Turn 2 your opponent kills youre tank with clances on youre far side of the table.




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    4. Im toying with the idea to use Orikan and Ctan to make board dangerous turn 1. Watch all those bikes stumble then amy turn 1 DW assault lands on dangerous >:)

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    5. Don't forget to throw in MSS and max Scythes! The Ctan should be remodeled in a likeness of Ward also.

      Yes we all know how broken Necrons are Jaydee. Don't rub it in our faces. :P

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    6. Except that you get armor saves against dangerous terrain now, so my terminators just don't really care, I'll just use it as an excuse to land in terrain anyway or better yet have my deathwing auto come on turn 2 instead

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    7. Ravenwing are skilled riders, so dangerous terrain makes NO DIFFERENCE.

      Wow.

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    8. IIRC, so are Paladins in the GK codex.

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  15. Somewhere along the line, people forgot that this IS JUST A GAME... I chose DA so many years ago because i thought they looked cool and i loved their fluff. Not because they're supposed to own the battlefield or not... I personnaly think that if you're choosing an army to field based on the supposition that it's supposed to be the meanest army out there, you're wrong. I think you're supposed to field the army that you like. Period.
    My army doesnt win that often, but i still have lotsa fun, even against necrons or sw or gk. Because i enjo the game, it's universe and the people i play the game with. That's what a game should be about. If you want to win at all cost and cant have fun otherwise, dont play 40k.

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    1. It is a game yes. Where I am from, Games are supposed to be fair with each opponent having an equal footing. GW so many years ago thought the same. Balanced is just not a word in GW's vocabulary these days and Its not a case of winning at all cost but FSS, you don't have to be a genius to realize GW favor some armies over others and when the hobby costs as much as it does, you can't be surprised at some fans getting angry when their army has taken a battering with the nerf hammer or not given nearly the same treatment as previous codices have. Saying that, every codex not written by Ward these days seems to be a car crash on launch and the trend will continue as long as he has anything to do with rule writing.

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    2. I agree completely. It's sad that because so many over-the-top Ward codices are out, any decent, balanced release comes off as bad.

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    3. Imperial Guard dex is still incredibly viable.
      I've never met someone who quit because of Ward. Actually, I'm a fan of his stuff because he is really making a point to spice things up. Yes, sometimes it does make things not as balanced as intended, but none of these if find too distracting or never mended by FAQs.
      I've played DA since 3rd when I was 12 and a guy at my local hobby shop told me about them and I was all in. If you can't lose and enjoy the hobby (how do you lose at painting/modeling?), 40k isn't for you. At least with the people I play with it's all about trying new things for the heck of it.

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    4. folks that dont care about loseing or winning don´t wait for the new dex... caus they don´t care about the crappy rules in the old one. People like that are the smaller part of this hobby.
      People that play the game comp are the bigger part... should a dex not at least give the option for good lists & strong builds?

      weak dexes only drive people ot
      if i end up buying a new dex and new units only to get the same weak army, whats the point of buying and painting? i´ll stop buying after i read the dex or lost some games and won non!

      i don´t consider that my hobby
      buying stuff and loseing caus a 10year old demon dex is better -.-

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    5. The other option is dealing with codex creep, where GW releases an over-the-top codex, and your shiny new dex is now crap in comparison. Then you wait 10 years for a new release. Does that sound like a fun and fair hobby to you?

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  16. Aren't all Raven Wing Skilled Rider? Thought I saw that in the WD summary.

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  17. How do the DW have worse weapons now? the knights don't strike at Initiative 1, the have hammer of wrath AND smite! right....

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    1. str 6 ap 4 at I 4
      no two melee weapons bonus becaus of shield

      so more points for +1 KG and worse weapons than either TH or LC

      so meeehhh!!!

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    2. there is more rules involved than just their power maces genius. a smite rule and a hammer of wrath rule sounds to make them ridiculous against just about anything.

      Also, comparing an entire squad equipped with mauls is different than a single chaplain. do the math on them, they are going to wreck meq, and just about everything else alike. then toss in SS and they are dead hard.

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    3. If the maces have extra rules though, does that make them unusual power weapons and AP 3?

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    4. the extra rules are almost certainly for the squad, not the maces, hence them still being mauls, which is fine by me.

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  18. GUYS! NEW FORGEWORLD STUFF!!!
    Voss pattern fighter up for preorders as is: Emperors children brass, Legion mk iv power weapons and JUSTAERIN TERMINATORS!!!!

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  19. So how did the DA perform against the CSM?

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  20. Thanks Natfka for all the rumors (false or not)!!!!!
    In a very serios way you are impartial and that makes for a great rumor compilation.
    No bias an d no prejudice!
    Just post what you find or got send. The Truth will bow to itslf :)

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  21. Some people seem to be forgetting the concept of bring the player not the dex... I am a consistent DA player, and even with 4th ed old broken codex i still wipe the floor with players with newer dexes and armies. Why? Because i understand my army and play to its strengths, the only reason these anonymous people complain so much is that they have no capability to develop themselves in the game and learn to beat someone beyond a copy and paste list and strat.

    I welcome the dexes of 6th edition which will finally allow us players to make the choices we want to make for OUR armies and OUR games.

    Power to the player!!!

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    1. Ive been playing dark angels since the release of 5th (my 1st proper army). I play 1500pts and usually go with belial and 'command squad with thss' 2x deathwing gun line with 2ss, and 2x dev squad with 4plas cannon.

      Small, elite, packs a punch, easy to build a lost to counter.

      My Point is even when i play against lists to counter mine its a close game due to knowing how to play and change strategy as the game develops.

      I agree with the above post, and will add the mostnypu play with your own list, the better you become as you learnt how to play with it's limitations

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    2. You guys are right on the money, personally I've faced down the 'über fifth-edition' armies and the 'über sixth' with my poor 'mediocre army' of orks. No power gamer lists, fun lists! My first army was Daemonhunters (aka 'Proper' Grey Knights to some :P) and boy was THAT a mistake... But if that doesn't teach you to enjoy gaming instead of winning then nothing will xD
      I look forward to the new Dark Angels and I love the look of those Deathwing Knights, mauls and all!
      FYI, I'm not sure I ever won with the old codex but I'm still here so I must be doing something right!

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    3. good players have a harder time vs Noobs in 6th. thats the way 6th was done... random rolls everywere.


      And what about equaly skilled players?
      are you saying the game is balanced so i can always win against a equal player?
      or do you mean you can always win against a leser player or noob that doesnt know the rules?
      i dought it

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  22. Well said Unforgiven. As for the crying Anon poster......shut the hell up. You haven't even seen the codex. People like you are scourge on the hobby. You have a bitch fit if you don't have an insta-win list. How about you step your game up and play better? I think a game like pokemon is about your speed.

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    1. Oh ye, my regular opponents are mechanised guard, dragowing, nids and crons. Defo clubbing seals...

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  24. why do people assume this is a first wave of kits ? im pretty sure Games Workshop are only ever doing 1 wave releases now

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  25. After seeing the pics, is anyone else even more disappointed about the comparatively boring and shitty design of the chaos marine stuff that was released with their new book?

    Well, 'cept for the new Belial mini. He looks pigeon-toed.

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