There has been a lot of talk about the upcoming Deathwing Knights. While we really do not yet have the rules sitting in front of us yet, we do have some information gained from the White Dwarf battle report. These Knights look nasty.


via Faeit 212 earlier post (info from Lars Emil). Check Here
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/12/dark-angels-units-details-from-wd.html#more


Deathwing Knights: Terminators with WS5, Storm Shields, power mauls and special rules, incl. Hammer of
Wrath and "Smite" which makes them strike at S10 AP2 for one round. BTW both DW terminators and the knights can be fielded in units of 10 now! Oh and the DW can take plasma cannon and they have USR "split fire"!!!!

These guys are going to be tough. If this initial look at them is true, they will rip apart everything on the charge. With storm shields and terminator armor, getting a Hammer of Wrath attack at S10 AP2 on Inititive 10 seems a little over the top, but I guess it comes down to how the points will reflect them.

Still, even with a single wound, the storm shields seem like the great equalizer with Knights surviving in close combat.

This is definitely one of those units to be looking for as more information comes to us.

72 Comments:

  1. Yeah but what if you dont want to use the stupid looking mace can you proxy something else to look like it in the GAMES work shop stores or other places.

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    1. Chances are you can proxy what you want. The Knights come with the mauls regardless, so it's not like regular power weapons where the model itself needs to show which weapon it is.

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    2. Well, if you replace their Maul with something that's not a Maul, you're no longer WYSIWYG, so you're now doing counts-as. In the 6th ed, the model has to have the appropriate weapon. It's like giving all of your space marines plasma guns instead of bolters because you think they look cooler. If the people you play with don't mind, that's fine.

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    3. Well there's a fine-line between counts-as and not representing your model properly (as far as tournament standards go).

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    4. @karge

      Read the powerweapon Entry in BRB
      It says what Ever you See
      NOT what it should be on the Model
      So you can actually pick beteuern the diffrent PW options, unless FAQed otherwise (as with burnaboyz)

      So you can count them as power sword Axe Maul
      Caus the rules Support it

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    5. ONLY if the weapon itself is a generic "power weapon"
      If it specifically says that they are equipped with power mauls, you cannot go "DURR NO THEY NOT! THEY HAS POWA AXES"

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    6. If that was true, I'd give chaplains power axes. But it's not. But I kinda like the mauls that the Knights have. I think they are the best models from the new DA that I've seen so far.

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    7. WYSIWYG not longer exists in the 6th rulebook! Go nuts and put whatever you want on it!

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    8. it amazes me how stupid some people are in this hobby. the first and foremost skill to have is the ability to read, yet so many people seem to operate at a grade one level.

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    9. I agree with you 4:39 anon. The most important, and clearly outlined rule in the rulebook is that the rules are guidelines, and the end result is whatever players agree to.

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  2. smite? the pyspower? s4 ap2 a4

    you mean smash?
    wich would be s8 ap2 at Ini 4

    hammer of wrath is only ever base str and ap-


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    1. Wouldn't be the first time game rule names doubled up

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    2. I was going to say the same thing about hammer of wrath....no special rules or weapons apply... just base strength and ap - . You beat me to it :)

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    3. Like Pathfinders and Pathfinders.

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    4. it probably specifacly states in the rule within the dark angels codex that there hammer of wrath is at S10 AP 2

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    5. I doubt it. S10 AP2 Hammer of Wrath sounds far too powerful unless the unit is prohibitively expensive points-wise.

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    6. Considering they carry a +2 str weapon, their hammer of wrath could be modified by it for a strx2+2 of 10

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    7. @Anon 9:20
      Where do you get x2 strength from?

      Hammer of Wrath also clearly states that it "...is resolved at the model's unmodified Strength..." so that basically means S4 with no shenanigans.

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  3. Do you have to use the ugly mace or can u proxy something else the maces look stupid

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    3. Wow, you must've gotten some crazy flaming.
      But really? I think the maces look very in sync with their art direction. The whole, incense heavy, holy medieval europe warriors.
      The bronze mace with holes reminds me of that thing priests use to throw holy water on people.

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    4. what did the Anon write at 11.20am and 1214pm I missed what they said as the comments were removed

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    5. I've got to agree with Anon 2:26pm.

      Took the words right out of my mouth. +1

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    6. What are you talking about? The maces look awesome!

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  4. From the wording I believe it means they get hammer of wrath on the charge and in one round of combat they may use the smite ability to have s10 ap2, not hammer of wrath at s10 ap2! You'd never take any other units xD

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  5. I like the mauls. I loved them on the chaos terminators too until 6th Ed hits. If I get some, I'll be using them as counts as thunder hammers. I'm excited for this kit

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  6. Hammer of wrath at S10 AP2 sounds ridiculous. Very much hope it's not true.

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  7. I love how people are already complaining about the new models. We've been waiting how long for this? You're still not happy? Go find another hobby

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    1. For me it's just that the Belial model is a bit disappointing. The models from the starter set were amazing, so it's strange that Belial has such a static plain model. It's not bad, but it could have been so much better. But being disappointing in new models doesn't mean you need to go find a new hobby, it just means that those people have some conversions to do which in my opinion is the best part!

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  8. i dont think hammer of wrath and the smite will work together they are just two different rules and they wont stack. So dont worry about it non DA players.

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  9. I bet that smite cannot be used with hammer of wrath. So an extra str 4 hit at i10. Not that big of a deal. Power mauls grant +2 str, so str 6, and are ap4 at initiative. I welcome terminators to bring my csm against that arent storm shield/ thunder hammer. These sound like just what we needed, a little balance.

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  10. Hammer of Wrath is no S10 AP2, its just I10, S(wielder) and AP -.
    Smite is a seperate attack.

    Will they be though? Sure. I have little hope that the price will reflect this (because Stormshield is way too undercosted for what it does), but maybe they will.

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  11. Hammer of Wrath is only ever base S and AP--, but having HoW and this new Smite rule will make them really nasty if you let them charge you.

    still, the best ways to deal with them are the same as they are for SS/TH termies: tarpits and volume of fire.

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    1. Yeah my Wyches don't really care if you're using super power mauls, or thunder hammers. You're wounding me on a 2+, but I'm gonna attack first and get my invuln regardless.

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    2. assuming you dont get shot to pieces first

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  12. It's not Smite (psychic power) it is Smash you should be talking about, stop talking about Smite!

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    1. except that we AREN'T talking about Smash.

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    2. Good god, I wish we were. Smash makes all attacks AP2 by default so we're looking at S6 AP2 attacks from everyone. And once in a purple moon full of ponies when you fight a monolith or land raider, you can elect to smash for S10 reroll armor pen.

      Please let the rumors be wrong and give these wingwingknights I4 S6 Ap2 WS5 attacks!

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    3. I4 S6 Ap2 WS5 would be retarded.

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    4. I4 S6 Ap2 WS5?

      No. Just No.

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    5. In regards to the idea of I4 S6 AP2 WS5 attacks being preposterous, see the Tyranid Trygon. Still, the rumors seem to imply that this "Smite" is a one-use ability like the ones on the two Chaos Fiend engines rather than something always on like Smash, so it shouldn't be a problem.

      If all else fails, throw more Dakka at it! :P

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    6. Tyranid Trygon also has the flaw of being part of the Tyranid's codex.

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  13. Well, in my opinion, for full DW armies few Lollipop Knights won't make a day, for mixed DA forces they will be of no use (points-wise) I guess.

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  14. He even went out of the way to put smite in quotations to indicate this a new rule also called smite... Also not sure why it would make you so angry if someone had typed the wrong word.

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    1. Biomancy has smite
      GK have smite
      and you say quotations mean its smite with diffrent rules

      i rather think he put it in quotations becaus he was not sure if it was "smite" or smth els, like a simulare word

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  15. He even went out of the way to put smite in quotations to indicate this a new rule also called smite... Also not sure why it would make you so angry if someone had typed the wrong word.

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  16. Meh give me 2 rounds of disintegrator fire and ill never have to worry about that str 10 ap 2. not to mention venom spam to clean up. not like ap ever mattered against storm shields. I'm more worried about all the land speeders

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    1. You forget that Deathwing knights can charge 3d6 dropping lowest and have vanguard assault. Combine that with some scouting ravenwing or infiltrating scouts and you'll never get to shoot anything.

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    2. Wait, what? These are new rules...

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    3. In that case I'd just throw Wyches or a large squad of Incubi at them. Wyches are still a great CC tarpit, and Incubi would actually get their armour save against the mauls.

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    4. but they can still smite incubi, and assuming that wyches dont have power axes, they are the ones tarpiting you

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    5. The Incubi would still handle them as well as they could handle TH/SS terminators in the smite case. Provided I have enough of them, they'll win despite the casualties. And Wyches don't need the power axes; weight of attacks plus a venom blade will make you fail enough 2+ saves.

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    6. but you will probally be spending alot more points on the unit of incubi than the DA player on his termies

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    7. No I won't; the DW Knights are rumoured to be like 235 points for 5 of them. 8-9 Incubi are not that expensive. Though I will admit my dex is not near, so my numbers may be off a bit.

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    8. If you pit equal points of Incubi versus equal points of terminators, the Incubi will usually come out on top.

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    9. dont forget DA are likely to have lots of plasma which will negate ur 3+

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  17. Looks like ima gonna have to take out some trusty death rays for these guys!

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    1. looks like you will have to take out your dick and suck it, like you always do

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    2. cockgobbler eh?
      OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM.
      LOL.

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  18. ill reserve my judgement for the new codex before i hate what i havent seen as far as these terminators go they will be like all the others make them fail saves by volume

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  19. Where do you find your art work??? It's mad!

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  20. where is your new line of "balanced" codices now, C:CSM apologizers?

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  21. They're in the Dark Angels, why didn't they just call them Dark Knights?

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  22. Awesome they needed something to rival the overpowered Chaos Codex.

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    1. >overpowered
      >OVERPOWERED

      0/10, see me after class

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  23. Odds are this is how its going to play out. Hammer of wraith on the charge. Then useing thier special rule "smite" Which will have S 10 AP2 for the turn. They will probably have to take a check to see if the smite goes into effect to balance it out. This is all speculative so like natfka has always said lets take it with a huge grain of salt and see what the actual ruleing will be

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    1. I'm not getting my hopes up for rumours after the CSM ones stating the Heldrake would be great against flyers.

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  24. Page 81 of the January White Dwarf they mention the Deathwing Knights being able to get **+1toughness** while "they are packed close togheter". To qutoe the man Adam himself.

    This is mentioned in another "The Rivals" article about TH/SS Termis vs GK Termis.

    Just haven't seen this anywhere so thought it would be important to mention.

    Oh and Merry Christmas from Finland

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