I recently found this. Apparently someone has a running track record on rumors on me, even though I don't originate any rumors. It is apparent that there are people that do not understand the nature of rumors on this site, so it is time to explain it.......

This is a news and rumor site, and other things of course, but mostly news and rumors. No rumors originate from myself. I simply report and collect rumors, and credit where I am allowed. Where I cannot release source information, I find peoples jobs worth more than a simple rumor, I will not credit the source, but will instead mention it is from my inbox or something else. My job is more similar to that of a reporter, digging to find information to present to readers. I also spend time with editorials, and try to help guide us through the rumor mill, so that we can divine what might be on the horizon.

This means that I will post rumors that are often way out in left field (and try and let readers know I think they are way off), as well as reliable rumor sources that are found elsewhere like Harry, Hastings, and more.  I want to make sure that if an accuracy thread is done, that the proper people get credited the rumors, and if you are going to credit the site... list everything or nothing, because I am not a source and everything here is from someone else. We do get some exclusives though, as sources send in information for readers here.

I am not trying to discredit who is doing this, however, I do wish that the crediting or discrediting would be accurate. I applaud the effort as long as the goal of the post is not to dissuade rumor posters from posting up what they know or don't know.

Here is the site and link.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/448304.page

This is my apparent track record, and I have included the real sources of the information I am credited with for accuracy.

Release Schedule
3 New Flyers in August, 1 Flyer is Chaos PENDING (Cannot release source info-inbox)
CSM - Release in August with half models and codex PENDING (Cannot release source info-inbox)

6th Edition Starter + other half of CSM in September PENDING (Cannot release source info-inbox)
DA + Entire Range in October PENDING (Cannot release source info-inbox)
August WD pushed back PENDING (Cannot release source info-inbox)
 
6th Edition 'leak' - May 2012
Snap Fire, TRUE  (Grant)
Assault from DS, FALSE (Grant, but was a theory based on what was read, not a rumor which was apparent in the post)
Hull Points, TRUE (Grant)
Challenges, TRUE (Grant)
Gifts, PENDING (Grant, and not the complete story)
TS Relentless PENDING (Grant)

Chaos April 2012
No EW Levels TRUE (Grant)
Hull Points TRUE (Grant)
CC AP Levels TRUE (Grant)

Release Schedule - October 2011
Tau Q1 FALSE (Marik Law)
Chaos Legions mid Year FALSE (Marik Law)
Eldar End of Year PENDING (Marik Law)

Chaos Release - October 2011
Chaos in January/February FALSE (Cant find this one, but I don't originate rumors)

Renegade Guard - October 2011
Renegade Guard with Chaos PENDING (schell)
Starter set is not DA/Chaos. Chaos, but not DA. PENDING (schell)

Please do not start a Dakka Dakka bashing session, every site/forum/blog in this hobby has a place and purpose in our expansive hobby. This post is simply to correct the information, and hope that future posts are about this site are a little bit more informed.

35 Comments:

  1. Creepy that we're being watched like this....course they coulda just checked the complimations on here :P.

    Dang. Pretty funny to see how COMPLETELY off we were! CSM January? Tau Q1? Hahhahahahaha....

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  2. You forgot the posts about Squats. Just saying, they're coming some time!!!!! Hahahahaha.

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    1. But seriously, I wish they were

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    2. Those rumors were to small....

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    3. Haha, I see what you did there...

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  3. I love your site and am not concerned with how 'accurate' your rumors are. It's just a lot of fun to speculate on what is coming in the future, and your site has given me a lot of ammo at our weekly gaming night. I think most of the FoB staff now frequents your site for this reason.

    I also wonder if people realize what the difference is between a rumor and a fact.

    Keep up the great work!

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    1. "I also wonder if people realize what the difference is between a rumor and a fact."

      I love this statement. Now if facts presented by people were wrong.... like if someone reads the next codex release, and gets it wrong.

      Rumors though. I am always hopeful that every rumor has a bit of truth to it somewhere in the greater scope of trying to decipher what the future will bring. In reality if rumors were kept track of accurately, I would think that the percentage of rumors turning out accurate would be somewhere far below 50%.

      Anything that is 100% on is not a rumor..... its a leak of information... facts.

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  4. What a chump... this is one reason why I don't read dakkadakka anymore... I understand and appreciate your method and approach, you have become my personal 40k syndicate if you will on news related to 40K and the hobby. Between you, BoW, and few other "hobby Specific" sites like from the warp... i feel there is no reason to go elsewhere... if I have a question I usually ask people i play with as their opinions are the one i feel more compelled to listen to as that is who I play with.

    Keep up the great work. I truly appreciate reading your site throughout the day with or with my daily cup of coffee.

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  5. Interestingly, this guy separates out Logan and Grant...but he hasn't credited any of Grant's things for 6th (it's all Pending atm).

    And he has done the same thing to Darnok on Warseer that he's done with you, by ascribing the origin of the rumor to the person reporting the rumor. I mean, for all the work that that list must have taken, I can understand the shortcuts, but hopefully someone will point out some of the flaws that are in the system just far. Overall, I think it's a great idea. it should let community have a better idea of who to trust and who to ignore, if it's properly maintained.

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    1. Im not a rumor machine. Just an info guy. Much of what i put is reading between the lines at meetings.

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    2. rumor machine or information gatherer, we appeciate what you bring here.

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    3. Apparently they got the man of a certain intelligence they need to do that mission. quest. thing.

      probably would of been better if they linked the actual info gathers under Faeit instead of 'grouping them' as Faeit

      anywho, those of us who know the truth of what you provide for the community, as well as the others... water off the skin, dude. mind ya, they seem a bit slow on the upkeep on a few peeps...

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    4. They are actually linked. Each of the rumors has a link to the original source if available. I'll post a code example:

      [b]Faeit 212[/b] - Total rumors: ([color=green]0 TRUE[/color]) / ([color=red]0 FALSE[/color]) / (5 PENDING)
      [spoiler]
      [url=http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/07/40k-release-schedule-revealed-chaos.html]Release Schedule[/url]
      3 New Flyers in August, 1 Flyer is Chaos [b]PENDING[/b]
      CSM - Release in August with half models and codex [b]PENDING[/b]
      6th Edition Starter + other half of CSM in September [b]PENDING[/b]
      DA + Entire Range in October [b]PENDING[/b]
      August WD pushed back [b]PENDING[/b]

      [/spoiler]

      Pretre

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  6. DakkaDakka AKA the "Troll Kingdoms".

    It is somewhat ironic that dakkadakka would try to rate anyone elses accuracy/value considering how low on the global scale of things they sit. I'm not exactly sure what you think they add to the hobby apart from a black hole of negativity, childish trolling and vitriol. Just my 2c.

    Anyway I love your blog, I started coming here a while back during the 6th rumours and found your site a great resource. I think you do an absolutely amazing job but realise that there is always going to be some level of inaccuracy when we are talking about sources who can't/won't reveal themselves particularly with the current lockdown on release info at GWS.
    A little common sense is required when using the internet. I hear they are going to be renaming it "not-so-common sense" in the near future however...

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  7. I am always surprised to see how many people spend (or rather: waste) their time on DakkaDakka or Warseer with such threads... please don't let this bother you!

    I like Faeit 212 very much - not because it has the most reliable rumors out there (after all, they're RUMORS, right?), but because there is no better place on the internet where I can find the best compilation of rumors on 40K. And I am fine with it that some of those turn out to be wrong in the end... that's just normal.

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  8. An accuracy thread on Dakka that lacks accuracy. Interesting.

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  9. Don't worry Natfka.. I believe everyone here knows what this site is about. :)
    I personally appreciate all the time and energy you spend collecting those rumors for us.
    Not to mention that you always warn us to take ridiculous amounts of salt just to make sure we don't take rumors for granted.
    I hope the thread on dakka will not discourage you from continuing to do such a great job!

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  10. @Natfka,

    This is Pretre. I maintain the list. I have reattributed the rumors you listed to the appropriate rumor monger. I am leaving the following under you since you are the original source (they were e-mailed to you directly). If you find any other accuracy issues, please feel free to post here or on Dakka.

    Thanks for the help!

    Release Schedule
    3 New Flyers in August, 1 Flyer is Chaos PENDING (Cannot release source info-inbox)
    CSM - Release in August with half models and codex PENDING (Cannot release source info-inbox)

    6th Edition Starter + other half of CSM in September PENDING (Cannot release source info-inbox)
    DA + Entire Range in October PENDING (Cannot release source info-inbox)
    August WD pushed back PENDING (Cannot release source info-inbox)

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    1. Im not going to go back through the rumors again, but there were some inconsistencies on Grant's rumors. (it was a conjecture based on other things read in the chaos codex regarding deep strikes, labelled as a rumor).

      I also saw a mistake on one of Bigreds rumors about lores in psychic powers. It is obviously correct or at least will be according to the BRB when codex disciplines are expanded upon in the future pg 418.

      Those are what I remember when reading through it that stuck out. Although I did not read all of it (only 3-4 sections).

      One thing that should be mentioned on your post though, is that some of these rumors are very early in the design process rumors, or early scheduling phases, and could very well be true at the time they are posted.

      Good luck with your thread. Its not my kind of thing as it seems to fall out of the context of rumors.

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    2. Well, conjecture and early playtests are rumors as well. If they end up not being true, that shows how reliable the person's information is.

      If you track down any incorrect information, I'd be more than happy to update it.

      Pretre

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    3. conjecture is not rumors and if something is true at the time of posting, would it not be true rather than false? This is what I mean by out of context.

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    4. Well, when conjecture is presented by rumor mongers there isn't a lot of differentiation made. Regardless of whether it is true at the time or not, people take it as a look at the future. If that glimpse never comes to fruition, people can feel let down. (The 'pancake edition' is a perfect example. We'll never know if it was real, but it was taken as real and caused a big let down when some people felt the parts they liked never made it into 6th.)

      Pretre

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    5. via Grant
      "I have been chatting with the source for my documents, we both feel that based off of the csm codex that assaults off of consolidation will be back as well as possibly off the bloody deep strike. This is not only backed up by the fact that they are "nerfing" assault range, but also because of 2 special rules."

      This is the information you are quoting as a rumor. They are discussing what the rules might be, based on a couple different rules they know to exist. If this is a rumor, then there are a billion comments on every forum that should also be listed as rumors.

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    6. The difference is that he is including this as part of his discussion with his source in a rumor post.

      Good or bad when a rumor monger says something, people take notice. I will pull this rumor from his listing, but I still think that if you, as a rumor monger, say something as part of a rumor post you should be held accountable for it.

      Pretre

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    7. The more I hear of this thread, the more I dislike it.

      Regardless, I am moving on, there is a lot happening now, and White Dwarf just made the printers, so I am getting back to work.

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    8. Fair enough. The thread is there to track the history of rumor mongers. Some people find it useful. I would encourage anyone to provide feedback on incorrect information or disputed facts.

      The long and short of it is that if you say something as a rumor monger, people listen and you should be held accountable for that.

      I understand how some people might not like that.

      Pretre

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    9. I think the fact check should be held accountable for the incorrect information and sourcing.

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    10. Absolutely agree. Since the start, I have asked for people to call me to task for incorrect information or sources and to provide more data on new sources.

      I think that I have been very open to updates throughout the process. I updated all of Natfka's points that he brought up as soon as I was made aware of them.

      Pretre

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  11. Could be me, but anybody who spends 5 minutes reading through one of the rumor posts here will find sources for specific details, as well as how new info relates to other rumors.

    Seems pretty hard to miss in my book that you're offering a focused information point for the various streams of news out there. Really don't see how people can get all this worked up about plastic toys.

    Now I'm in the field of behavior science myself, and there we have a few justified witch hunts going on ;-)

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  12. Just a small thing...it's you're, not 'your kidding me' in that instance.

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  14. "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."A Einstein.
    The link that you show is a clear proof of this one.
    Go ahead and don't care about that silly things..

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  15. Is it just me or was there nothing on TasteyTaste in that forum.

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