We take a break from our recently normal Chaos Marine/ Daemon rumors and news to bring you something many of you are dying to discuss and hear the slightest bit of information on....... Tau.



Apparently the name of this Vehicle is not set in stone at the time of the rumor, so please remember that things change, these are rumors. The same goes for the No Kroot. A huge thanks goes out to Logan, who is kind enough to discuss his rumors here on Faeit 212. As normal I protect sources vehemently, so discuss away without bashing the source.


Via Logan on Faeit 212
Tau
flyer wave could Voidraiven, Tau Lamprey, maybe another.


The name Lamprey is by no means official. Its entirely possible that will not be its name. Also possible it wont be released till codex.


 As for the "Lamprey" i am not sure yet. But the assault crisis suits have experimental rules where once per game they gain BOTH benefits of moving with their jump things(unnamed at the moment) which lets them move 12in. Then reroll assault distance if desired. If the first attempted charge is successful you gain Furious Charge.


This is ALL experimental though.


new characters to the Assault Crisis Suits....and i have even heard the rumor NO MORE KROOT!


I cant tell if the NO KROOT! rumor is true but it makes sense. I am lets say VERY involved with the play testing process of the codex and I have seen no kroot units. Shhhhhhhh don't panic.
Talking to guy who is higher up than me in an email here is what he said


" Now Logan, I have received your emails regarding your next project. You asked why there has been a lack of a certain unit(Kroot) all I can tell is that right now it is being heatedly discussed whether to keep them in our upcoming release. We want this book to reflect the primary army, not necessarily other "mercenary" forces. When we sort it out we promise to let you have a peak.


Thank you for your concerns and comments regarding this matter."




Logan comments here regularly, so by all means join the conversation below as that is where most of these rumors have come from. The comment section. Thanks again Logan for sharing any insights.

88 Comments:

  1. Well that kinda sucks, I like the Kroot...

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  2. No kroot for tau? So, ummm....

    kroot dex?

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  3. I love kroot, I will start a new army if kroot get there own codex, I love kroot I hate tau, bring me kroot and I will build 45,000 points of them.

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    1. I dig the Kroot too and I feel pretty much the same.

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    2. Sounds like A mercs Codex that'll be Battle Brothers with Tau. And maybe convenience or desperate allies with other armies.
      That could be cool.

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  4. I love and hate this rumor! If it is true, then we won't be seeing the new "squats" as well as Kroot or Vespids in the Tau Empire book, BUT we will be seeing a huge increase in Tau Empire specific models. If this is true, I imagine that the Kroot, Demiurg and Vespids will be in a supplemental White Dwarf.

    Also super excited about the flyer. I hope that we get news on it before the 2013 Tau Empire codex.

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    1. Thays EXACTLY what they want. They dont really want a "Tau and friends" book. They want Codex:Tau Empire

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    2. According to the original fluff the Kroot and Vespids ARE part of the Tau Empire.

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    3. but, but, but whatever happened to their promise a new race would be included in every new codex! lol

      well, I like the idea of a multi-race faction. One of the things that actually made me like the Tau. With the Kroot it brought in a horde aspect to the Tau, so I can see why they may want to drop them.

      Would the Assault Crisis Suit be a Troop Choice, Elite or Fast Attack? Is it Crisis Suit like or an actual CS.

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    4. I'm on board! More tau, less meat shields. Sounds like they are trying to make them more interesting, which I'm all for. Right now Tau are so vanilla its almost boring playing them.
      Your psyker can do what? Your hq can do what?! your troops which used to be elites can do what and what and what?!!!
      Oh. I'm going to...shoot, from very far away :-)
      Dont get me wrong, I love my tau, I'm just very jealous at the moment. Looking forward to being jealous of chaos very soon :-)

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    5. Tau have no psykers. I would be so disappointed if they removed the alien aspects. They could do something similar to Chaos cultists and probably do mob units.

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  5. Dropping them completely sounds like an odd move...
    It would invalidate the models entirely
    and if so, how is GW going to sell them then?

    Unless there will be a WD Codex Kroot of some sort
    and you can then ally them.

    Don't have clue how they're going to do this otherwise.

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    1. Well with the new Ally rules it would probably be easy to create an WD/Electronic mini-dex. All they'd have to do is turn the Shaper into a low calorie HQ, and It would serve much the same purpose.

      ~Muninn

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    2. I have the original Kroot Mercenary List, they could go that route, be cool as long its not the crappy version from Apoc! blah.

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    3. Ally rules in WD it screams to me, one of the open day articles here mentioned it on races and to be fair it makes sense to have 'minor races' become allies for certain races.

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    4. The WD mini Kroot mercs dex sounds possible and cool.

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    5. But that doesn't make any sense. Why would they take Vespid, Kroot, and whatever other aliens are aligned with Tau and put them in a WD instead of just having them... I don't know.... UNITS IN THE DEX!

      So if they are alies, and I want Kroot, I'll have to shell out for an HQ shaper and a Kroot troop instead of just getting the troops like I can now. Oh yeah. That is such an obviously good thing that we really need for Tau.

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  6. Interesting...without Kroot or a similar unit in the new 'dex, Tau will have no viable speedbumps to slow down assault units. Tau would either need to use allies, or be able to shoot overwatch at full BS to have any chance of surviving assaults. Personally I don't like the idea of having to use marines with my Tau all the time, so hopefully they'll work on other non-Tau units in the codex. Thank you very much for posting this rumour

    Hownowbrowntau

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    1. or have so many ranged units that their opponent can't get into combat

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    2. Youre assuming nothing else in the codec will change. Did u not read the part about CC oriented battle suits?

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  7. I think we'll be seeing a new direction, as evident with Allies and the Chaos Daemons minidex being released. I believe we will be seeing White Dwarf releasing lots of fun supplements. Like Kroot Mercenaries, Chaos Legions...and hopefully Ork Clanz ;)

    I've been saying FW will be available via stores since they started with the books being available. I betcha that comes to light soon as well ;)

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  8. I really appreciate Logan sharing this stuff with us. Regardless of how the actual Tau release compares to these rumors, its just fun to think about.

    That said, the whole 'primary army' thing makes sense to an extent. I think a big part of the Tau fluff is the EMPIRE, which suggests the joining of many different groups under a single leadership. So, taking out Vespid or Kroot (but especially kroot) diminishes the whole idea of this greater good for the empire. I would be sad if this is true (unless there were to be an associated Kroot codex!!!!).

    Melee suits? Sounds like jetpack termies. Not sure if I buy that.

    One last thing: Assuming Logan is credible, which I'm willing to believe, is it really the wisest choice to quote an internal email verbatim? Even if 'logan' isnt his real name, the wording of the message seems to indicate that it would be pretty easy to figure out who the source is. Natfka, perhaps this would be something better paraphrased than quoted?

    but yes, seeing the firewarrior image made me very excited. thanks for the rumors!!!

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    2. thats kinda what I was trying to get at, why would Logan quote a very specific internal email? I was trying to respect Natfka's wishes about not questioning the source.

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    3. I'd expect an Allies/Mercenaries codex to cover kroot, squats, and other myriad races in the 40k universe. It'd probably sell very well.

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    5. and we have a winner (sad as it is)

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    6. It was PARAPHRASED to an extent. The actaul email is much longer. I know what im doing. Dont worry.

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  9. this could be a clever ploy by GW and have them as a seperate WD dex that can then be taken as Allies...

    the plot thickens...

    Also i like the name Lamprey.

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  10. Having a mercenaries and rouges dex would be cool. very alienable with tau and CSM, and Grey Knights (Inquisitions hiring) and.... maybe Dark Eldar. That would include minor races, cults, the like... maybe even Tyranids would get them as an ally!

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    1. I really like the idea of a mercenary forces codex as that would open up a lot of design space above and beyond the 6th edition ally rules. For example a Kroot unit might be fielded as a troop choice for Tau, a fast attack for imperial guard or an elite for Orks. They could even have different point costs to better reflect their value and synergy in a larger army. This also helps sell models and rules because it makes them useful in a wider context.

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    2. Sounds like a 40k version of the old fantasy dogs of war book (which was IMO awesome!)

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    3. Kroot as elites for orks?!! That's just damn insulting!

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    1. Ya know. The whole" My source is gonna lose his job" IS overplayed. Im not afraid. I take risks. Dont worry about me. Im careful. I dont want internet fame! I just want to say ehat i know.

      If you think im making it up then I wont post no more.

      Goodbye.

      Im sorry if there were some who wanted to hear more. I really am.

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    2. Also since I usually get the earliest concepts most of what I say either will not come or be heavily altered by the time its in your hands. This happens. All the time. The DarkGeneral saying he cult terminators/ legion specific rules was probably an early version. We dont control the flow. We only advance it.

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    5. Always sad when we run off someone trying to help :P

      Ahhhhhh the internet....

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    6. GreatGunz

      Shut up. You dont know anything. Even if he misses EVERYTHING he might have been right at one point. But we cant know that. These are rumors. Take some damn salt.

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    7. Do you have anything to share?

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  12. So Tau getting an assult Crisis Suit, seams to go against their fighting methods but evolve or die i guess. would be nice to see a return of the Kroot Mercenary’s list from the old chapter approved books or even a possable completely mercenary codex with lots of different species which could ally with any of the current codex's kind of like the dogs of war book for WFB.

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  13. All the rumors I have been reading have been for a Craftworld flyer, not a Dark Eldar one... Is this the case? Or is the Voidraven meant to be that model just not named properly?

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  14. Makes sense from a historical point of view, when GW where introducing a new army they couldnt choose between 3 options so they rolled them all in together as a kind of hippy dippy alliance army. Personally I like it because I love the Firewarrior style model but hate the Kroot and Vespid.

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  15. I assume the kroot will get an update in a WD just like the deamons did in the latest WD. Also why include the kroot when you can take them as allies. Just my thought.

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  16. Hey Naftka thanks for sharing this cool info on Tau! The same goes to Logan that actually took quite a risk for it.

    I love the idea of experimental assault suits for the tau, adds a lot to the gameplay variety for the Tau army. It has to be noted that there is a hint of a new mechanic for the tau, which looks very promissing (it's a rumor on the playtesting phase, I know - but love the direction)

    As for the No Kroot rule, I absolutely love it. I always field 'pure' Tau armies because of the fluff (camaraderie/bonding of the tau units) and of course the elegant aesthetics of the army. It would be very nice for the kroot to have a separate WD codex -as they had before!

    That's awesome news for the greater good, keep em coming!

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    3. Its not about me guys. Its about you. The players. Im sick of GW shafting their dedicated players.

      But thimg is I get the VERY early playtesting stuff with no names or models. We are just given a paper that says " Try these rules. Record what works and what doesnt" basically.

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    4. and how did you notice the lack of kroot or the experimental assault suits with no names given?

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    5. You can tell. Something thay moves 12in and can assault a rerollable 2d6 is usually fast. And i memt names as in their final codex names. Plus we were given some crisis suits as test models :).

      No kroot came from a lack of "kroot" like abilities. Asking around none of us had dealt with anything like them yet.

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    6. so perhaps it's some sort of kroot jump pack? the usual jet packs don't move 12in

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    7. dont get discouraged Logan, keep doin what you're doin!

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  17. Well I for one like this rumor. True or not I never cared for kroot, so called bubble wrap is a mythical term for wasting points on a unit that doesn't perform.
    Now I don't particularly believe that they will just throw out the Kroot. If not in the codex a WD expansion. Even the past lists of finecast models doesn't point do absolutely no Kroot.

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  18. In one way, no Kroot would not be a shocker, GW all the time deletes crap out of a codex and annoys us all...still, it would hurt their core troops and ruins the United Nations feel that the Tau exhibit..

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  19. Perhaps there will be something like a "mercenaries" or xenos-codex, with things like vespids, kroot, hrud, demiurgs, genestealer cults, maybe also some humans and so on in them...
    with the new allies-possibilities this would be pretty cool =)

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  20. If the Tau Codex was going to be released 'soon', I can see waiting on the flier. Like CSM is coming out within the next 2 - 3 months, yeah I can see them getting their flier with the codex. I would expect that every Codex army to have at least 1 flier option available by the end of the year. Which is still along time to have fliers from certain armies wipe the floor with those lacking.

    Usual answer at this point is, ally with a flier. Not everyone, nor does every game need to have allies. So please, do not just say take an ally with a flier. It's been heard already hundreds of times.

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  21. I personally don't believe the no Kroot rumor. If it be true, then I will personally be devastated. As a Tau player I have accepted the fact and fluff that they do not have any ability in close combat. The have no psykers, which appears to be the focus of 6th. Ienjoy the kroot as part of the Tau army. They make for an interesting dynamic for the Tau with strategy and fluff. I have hoped to see their wargear and options expanded with the new codex. I prefer a horde of cc units over a band aid assault suit that will just be an expensive speed bump.

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  22. Waiting for the flyer until the codex would make sense if it wasn't for all the CSM rumors hinting at them getting a flyer right before their codex drops.

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  23. Am I the only one who doesnt like the idea of tau getting a decent assault unit? I Always like the idea that they can kill anything in shooting, but if you get close its over.

    Also i dont think they would stop kroot. I see kroot everywhere, not even in game play, but in just the models. They seem to be a very popular model. Its possible that they will be an ally of the tau, so instead of a normal ally, you can take them or something like that

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    1. I'm with you. Keep the Tau to what they are good at and supplement with Kroot. Tau players don't need any more auxiliary races just wargear for the current and models that help buff them, such as a stubborn Shaper.

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  24. Guys dont make the mistake that no kroot is all bad. They are going to focus much more on the taus firepower which is ridiculous already! Think how necrons got some cool counter assault units evem though their primarily shooting. Same is being done for tau. Assault Crisis Suits, Drones that fly and decapitate people, new characters. And some awesome new vehicles. Oh and they have jetbikes which are famtastic! Assault 2 twinlinked melta. And they have Stealth! Gonna be great!

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    1. Will their ubersuit look like a battletech thingy?

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    2. No official models. No names. Just a sheet of rules and maybe some demo models.

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    3. Savage man eating guys who can ulter their genetic make up by eating the bodies of their enemy's are still cooler then little blue men in big robots

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  25. And like I said nothing is set. Just because I dont see it doesnt mean its not their. These are RUMORS. Haha. Ibnoticed a lacknof Kroot and other mercanaries and descided to speak up.

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  26. If the tau are in early (?) playtesting will their codex hit the stores in about two years time from now?

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  27. I call BS. Don't believe rumors until you see the words in print or models on the table (at which point they're not rumors anymore).

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  28. Hey Logan, has anything come your way regarding Eldar?

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  29. For the record, Kroot and Vespid pics are featured in the new rule book. Yes, an absence of kroot in playtest may mean no kroot, or could lead to unchanged kroot ( well established = no playtest needed)

    Might hold off buying a Great Knarloc for a while though!

    Hownowbrowntau

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  30. For people that are skeptical for the mo kroot look at the allies chart for Tau. You see how many Allies they have?

    Take that into consideration....

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  31. While I wouldn't mind this, I call bullshit on the axing of kroot. No way GW will nix an entire unit unless kroot would get a WD release as their own Army to ally with Tau.

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    1. I read it as they aren't sure what to do with them personally.

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    1. Its also sooii easy to troll people using anonymous....

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    2. Yes. Quite.

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  33. Thanks for posting what you know Logan.

    Its hard when people hear what they dont want to hear, and canr understand that your playtest version isnt a full colour printed codex with everything bar the first FAQ.

    Keep up the rumor mongering

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  34. The post suggests Tau are going to lose their main close combat assets. Why release Kroot models in Finecast if in a few months they're going to be pulled? It doesn't make sense from a financial perpective. Even GW aren't going to attempt to scrape up a measley few extra £/$'s by re-releasing models a few months before scsrapping them.

    The Kroot also fit nicely with the fluff - the Tau are expansionists who assimilate other races into their society.

    Removing them removes an interesting dynamic from Tau armies and provides a bit of variety for modellers, painters and gamers. Removing them reduces Tau to an all shooty army that would render games pretty much over as soon as the gap was closed and they entered close combat.

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  35. You have a two part rumor. 1. Tau are going to get a flyer which is going to be named after a sea creature. We already know that. 2. Kroot may or may not go away. You can't say for sure because you don't know for sure. Well, neither do any of the rest of us. We can't say either. So there's nothing substantial there either.

    So what's more likely? That you risked a cool job at GW by blabbing non-news on the internet, complete with an internal email that makes it all too easy to track you down? Or that you're just some guy taking advantage of internet anonymity in order to have some fun?

    I don't think there's much chance that you "wont post no more." You're obviously enjoying yourself too much for that. Worst case scenario, you'll just come back with a new handle to spread some other non-news rumor. I just thought someone should point out that your story doesn't actually make a whole lot of sense :)

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    1. I coulda sworn this post was just erased GreatGunz.....

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  36. Yes. It's eerie.

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  37. People need to remember that this is about rumors, salt needs to be taken, and emotions need to be kept in check.
    Some common decency would be appreciated.

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    1. But were in the internet. Common decency is rarer than squat rumors these days :P

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    2. And just like squat rumors my friend, everyone begs for them, yet no one produces it.

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