This is part of two of my obsessiveness about dice. Yes, I have bought dice by the pound, and am not ashamed to admit it. In fact, I have Mcmenamin's Beer Jars full of dice. I know most of you do not know what that is, but picture a very large Jar that is meant for holding beer.. This is about  more research I have put into dice.

Part 1 is located here.
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-quest-for-holy-grail-average.html


Part two is about my own research into dice, and how expensive casino quality "small" dice can be. In fact, small 1/2" Casino dice with your color choice are available. They generally run about $8 apiece, and come in different colors.

Casino Dice are 3/4" dice and are ridiculous to roll on a warhammer table. Yes I have seen a lot of people do this. If you are going to go through the problem of finding dice like these, please find some 1/2" ones. I have done this research in the past, and here is the link.
http://www.pokerchest.com/casino-dice-game.html

You may be able to find cheaper ones.

Now lets move past Casino Dice, because there is something out there called precision dice. Basically these are dice makers that work their butts off to make dice that statistically accurate. The link above to the 1/2" casino dice calls their dice precision dice as well (because they are too small for a casino).

A company called Gamescience makes a great dice product, and in fact, I own many of their dice. So do several of my friends. While this guy that makes these dice is a little bit obsessive.... like myself.... but i think he beats me a little, I do like his dice.

I am including his videos here, because he discusses something of value in his videos........ how dice are made. Here are his videos. Really its not important to watch the whole thing, and I suggest not doing so, unless you have 20 minutes to kill.





You can buy them from his site, which links you to gamestation anyways, or you can go straight to gamestation. Simply go to gamestation and they have a dice search boxes along the left hand side of the page. You want d6, and precision dice.
http://www.gamescience.com/
http://www.gamestation.net/

Ok, I am done with dice for a bit. I hope for those of you about to begin on your Holy Quest for the Holy Grail get it going a lot quicker than I did. I am still on it, although I do really like the precision dice that Gamescience makes. However, once you are spending money on quality dice, look at GW's new Munitorium dice, and suddenly the price for what you get is looking very good. Thus far.... two games in, my dice are rolling a very noticeable average.

Please do not go beyond crazy..... with dice.
More subjects on dice that you can do your own research on.... is something called practiced rolling. It does happen, and its a good subject to know about (so that you can make sure your opponent is not doing it in tournaments). There really are people in this world that are good at practiced rolling and some professional Craps Players, but lets not get paranoid. Lets get back to the table top for some 40k.  : )

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  1. You've got to admire a proud craftsman.

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  2. It's so nice to find a fellow dice enthusiast. I think I'm at about 400 dice right now? I've been quoted as saying that my army will never be finished until I have 1k+ dice though...

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  4. So many dice, all my armies (too many) have their own dice. I even have custom dice for some!

    I'm a bit of a sucker for special dice!

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  5. okay, So I agree that practiced rolling is bad. But what about using bad dice to my benefit. For example I notice some of my white dice roll lower and some of my blue dice roll higher. So when I roll saves, I roll blue dice and when I have LD checks, I roll the white dice.
    Is this cheating/taking advantage of a noticed difference in dice statistics, or is this ok?

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    1. I'd say that's cheating a little. In the spirit of fairness I try to use the same dice for all rolls I need to make, unless I need a different colour for special weapons or characters with different stats. If you are deliberately manipulating your dice rolls then you might as well use loaded dice!

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    2. Cheating like many things is easily answered. If you feel you are cheating you are. Justifications are exactly that. I would advise using both sets, blue and white, for all your rolls.

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    3. I roll the same dice for all my rolls and the only time they dont seem to roll underaverage is when I'm making leadership checks. :\

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  6. http://www.gamestation.net/ doesnt have any d6 12mm precision for sale :(

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    1. Its been awhile since I bought dice. will take a look there. brb

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    2. try 14mm. The gamescience dice are the ones I like over there and they seem to be 14mm.

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    3. I found them, you have to click the link for dice sets, then pick your type, then boom, 12mm precision. Found 12 piece sets for 15-21 dollars.

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    4. Cannot find them... Only 16mm are on the dice set section. Can you provide the link?

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  7. If this grants you an advantage then you're taking an advantage. If your adversary doesn't have the same advantage then your advantage isn't fair (in the precise meaning of the word it means not all the competitors have access to it).
    Taking an unfair advantage is often seen as cheating. To avoid the risk to do so (well, I guess that you didn't run extensive tests on your dices anyway) I wouldn't try to roll always the same dices for the same tasks. They're supposed to be random and selecting them at random helps getting average results.
    Notice that the results of the first part aren't scientifically valid as they used always the same dices, still it's a valid report of an experiment and the conclusions are probably valid (because confirmated by sources cited in the report), to say that Chessex dices are unfair there would be the need to get more chessex dices, not just a single set.
    Well, returning to the LD tests... it's entirely possible that the advantage you're taking is unfair even if also the adversary has iy if you're playing different armies. This happens because an unfair dice has more possibilities to show a certain result not to roll generally "low". This happens due to the placement of the faces. So a Tau player would take more advantage than a GK player from using different dices for leadership tests. Not that GK payers don't already have their fair share of advantages over the poor old codex of Tau. ;-)

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    1. I was replying to the following message of course
      "okay, So I agree that practiced rolling is bad. But what about using bad dice to my benefit. For example I notice some of my white dice roll lower and some of my blue dice roll higher. So when I roll saves, I roll blue dice and when I have LD checks, I roll the white dice.
      Is this cheating/taking advantage of a noticed difference in dice statistics, or is this ok?"

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  8. Its also worth mentioning that there are tournaments that give you dice to use for the games. They make great tournament mementos as well.

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    1. Personally, i just bought the munitorum dice, and I like them. So I will probably be using these for awhile.

      Use the same set of dice for all your rolls, and no one is going to be upset. Also make sure that you roll them and not one dice at a time.

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    2. I had noticed that the new dice seem to give me better results than the little ones from the old dice cubes. Now I know why. Thanks for the great articles.

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  9. My friend James is actually a practiced roller. We all force him to use a dice tower if he is rolling less than 5 dice. He freely admits he can't help it so he's okay with that. It's scary - and really fun - to see how accurate he can be with his rolls.

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    1. http://www.google.ca/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1280&bih=923&tbm=isch&tbnid=EEYv933ka5gozM:&imgrefurl=http://sync-wargaming.blogspot.com/2011/07/syncs-mini-dice-tower.html&docid=8HzySIn7W_LRPM&imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bTwTn3FqJ4Y/TgaX5HWL4zI/AAAAAAAAAhc/-2g_Hy1qqQs/s1600/16244387.jpg&w=980&h=545&ei=BhQYUOXYKaiI6QG0kYCABQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=161&vpy=164&dur=2874&hovh=167&hovw=301&tx=202&ty=116&sig=117210103287536793225&page=1&tbnh=102&tbnw=183&start=0&ndsp=34&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:73

      pretty hard to have any control on those rolls...

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    2. Ehy, that's a nice item. I wonder what would be the results of the study using such a device.

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  10. The munitorium dice are pretty but much to busy. Hard to read them fast.

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  11. Thanks! Now I hate all my little round edge dice. Ignorance was bliss

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  12. I'm seeing a lot unpainted low contrast digits on the gamescience dice. Is the painted digit range really that limited? They are beautiful dice but when you're rolling 10 at a time you don't want to examine every die to figure out what you rolled. Are the semi-transparent once as hard to read as I'm thinking? It's the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger yet.

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    1. I guess if its a big problem I could ink them myself. Doest look that difficult.

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    2. You are supposed to ink them yourself with a sharpie or permanent marker of some sort

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  13. For someone obviously not in the know could somebody explain what practiced rolls are

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    1. Some people are very practiced at rolling dice so they get the result they want. It's easier with the casino dice since they dont roll as much. Thats why you have to throw them so hard at casinos.

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    2. Never really messed ith myself but something like always holding it a certain way (face up and orientation). Then you roll with the same motion every time to achieve an unbalanced (usually high) roll.

      Most often done with single die at a time. Basically impossible to do with large numbers of die.

      Also of note is that the small rounded GW "shitty" die do seem to roll more fair if they are rolled in quantity vs as a single die. The dice bouncing off each other tends to eliminate the other factors that make them roll more 1s.

      I have messed with flipping a coin and trying to get a certain face always up when I was younger. You can certainly bias the results heavily.

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  14. A website about the statistics of dice rolling is www.anydice.com

    I was just told about it so I haven't done anything with but a quick look myself.

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  15. I agree that the smaller Chessex dice are a pain and have rarely treated me well. I copied a buddy after noticing his tremendous luck with dice.

    Bought several sets from The Source in Falcon Heights, MN. LInk below are the same dice. Same make, Same colour.

    http://www.gamestation.net/s.nl/it.A/id.2214/.f

    Since then my dice rolls have been great. Far few one's. I find the bigger dice are better. They don't get caught by the base on the gaming board or end up standing ona corner because the table basing has larger rocks, not a fine base finish.

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  16. Does anyone know if the Munitorium dice are produced by Q Workshop for GW? They look quite similar to Q's style.

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  17. I literally just bought casino dice yesterday lol I wish I would have seen this.

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