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Defilers, Dark Apostles and Warp Smiths! CSM Rumors



Defilers, Dark Apostles and Warp Smiths! We have new Chaos Space Marine rumors this morning. Warp Smiths can curse vehicles, defile terrain; while Eye of the God powers that grants special powers to characters that win challenges and can even turn you into a Daemon Prince!

There is a set of Chaos rumors that we were pointed to from the comment section here on Faeit 212. A huge thanks to readers who find these just about anywhere they are hiding.

The previous rumor found here... http://www.natfka.blogspot.com/2012/07/new-chaos-marine-codex-sent-to.html .... lists the Chaos Space Marine codex as already being shipped to the warhouses around the world. While September 1st sounds like it could be true, Its also very likely that August could still be the date. We shall find out shortly.

Please remember that these are rumors.


I was fortunate enough to have a nice long chat with a mate of mine this weekend who is very much in the loop when it comes to 40k, and he was kind enough to have a chat with me about the new Chaos Space Marine Codex!

So lets get to it:
Release date - 1st September (7 weeks he said) and it is a hard back like the 8e WFB Army Books.

There is an Eye of the Gods esque table (Warriors of Chaos players will know what I am talking about) that you get to roll on whenever a character kills another character in a challenge, or a Walker or Monstrous Creature. There is a multitude of gifts (and curses) that your Characters can acquire which range from +1 Save, +1 Toughness, or becoming either a Spawn or a Daemon Prince!!!

Chaos Cultists are definetely in (but we all kinda know that already), as is the 'Dragon' - think Necron Night Scythe with the main chassis been replaced by a massive mechanical dragon head with segmented wings sweeping forward and around from it. On top of those there are also:

Dark Apostles - evil Chaplains basically

Warp Smiths - evil Techmarine that can curse vehicles and degrade terrain.

A new Daemon Engine - half way between a Dreadnought and a Defiler.

Speaking of Defilers as they are Daemons they have a 5+ Inv save.

'Cult' units are all Elites and are unlocked to Troops by appropriate HQ choices, but there are no Cult Terminators which makes me sad.

Obliterators are exclusively for shooting - so no powerfists. BUT there is a new unit which is basically a close combat Obliterator.

There are 2 types of Raptors now; regular CSM with Jump Packs, and then some kind of Possessed Daemonic Raptors that all come with Lightning Claws!

Possessed are meant to be amazing, and take a lot of benefits from the Eye of the Gods esque table.

There are NO Daemons in the Codex because that is what Allies are for.

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  1. Fingers, legs, horns and tentacles crossed that at least some of this is true.

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  2. Cool, I hope all that is true, sounds like it will be a nice revamp of the shitty and flavourless current codex.

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    1. Except that possessed still soudns really random. So you'll have to have 50 models to properly represent what you might get with your squad of 5 guys. =(

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    2. that or just say "they all have this, this game" and make note of it on a scrap of paper somewhere.

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  3. 7 weeks?! NOOOOO!

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  4. Maybe my Emperor's Children will finally get the Codex they deserve. And if they don't... well I'm sure they'll enjoy the beatings they'll receive just as much... ;-)

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    1. why cant i "like" this comment? LMFFAO

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    2. If you're looking for a codex that shines chaos as being an elite military force wrought from centuries of experience, you'll be disappointed.

      The book focuses on the changes since the heresy. The dark pacts, etc

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  5. I pray to the Gods that the date is wrong. I wants it now!!!!!

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    1. Hey Damn the Valley. I dont have legitimate proof but Im sure he is. But I was just at Warhammer World and I was talking with playtesters who said the CSM codex should be in August but they were told their hardwork might have to "be put on hold for public use."

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  6. so there just getting shipped to warehouses? Does anyone remember the rumours that the 6ed rulebook was being shipped to warehouses? What was the time diffrence from that and the actual release date? About a month right?

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  7. So Natfka, assuming this rumor is correct, and we see CSM in September, do we have any idea what's supposed to be coming out in August?

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    1. Dark angels!!

      nah im kidding, probably some fortification or terrain datasheets. Possibly the second wave of flyers mentioned a few months back

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    2. The way Jes Goodwin spoke on Saturday it won't be the voidraven though as he said they were having trouble with "frame space" for it.

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    3. Fantasy and Daemons maybe?

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    4. The starterset?

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  8. Wouldn't be at all surprised if the pre-order is 25 August, with the actual day of availability being 1 September. Would wind up with both sets of rumors being correct.

    Then again, who knows for sure? We'll likely get a more solid idea when the next White Dwarf arrives, and we should be seeing glimpses of it's contents quite soon now.

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  9. It would make sense to have it release in September- Rolling out a new codex 1 month on the heals of the new edition seems like it might dilute the sales, whereas September catches peoples wallets with a little bit of distance to July.
    My guess for an August release is the rumored new group of Flyers (Tau, Eldar, Dark Eldar). It complements the rules release and gives those armies something to gear them into 6th ed. quickly.

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    1. and starter set in oct? no i dont think so csm or starter set next month thats ))% certain

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    2. They kind of NEED the Chaos codex out before the starter set, or else you will have all the new cool (read: not horrible 5th edition) rules for Chaos that will conflict with the current codex. Wouldn't want to confuse brand new players who happen to pick up chaos, haha. Or would they...

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  10. Well in the next WD there will be a CSM battle report. I still hope we see the codex in august.

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    1. In this month WD there is chaos at the end of it so it could be the next codex.

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  11. What a pity. I was hoping for an actual dragon. I don't really have much interest in a plane.

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    1. Yeah, I was too. A dragon looking plane seems a little silly. It's possible though that the description was just REALLY shitty and it will look awesome, but we'll see when we see I guess :(

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    2. [Speculation]From the description, it could be the Tzeentch Doom Wing/Fire Lord...[/Speculation]

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    3. That is what I said to my mate - and he did confirm that it is Tzeentchy looking.

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    4. Sweet... I just posted an article comparing the old Epic Doom Wing model to the rumor description:

      http://talesoffireandice.blogspot.com/2012/07/going-on-record-new-chaos-flyer.html

      Now I know I'm probably on the right track.

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    5. Yeah this is what I have been wondering since about a month ago, but the first description seemed to suggest a 'real' metalized dragon. As a Tzeentch fan I am much more excited about this model if it is the Firelord Bomber/Doomwing!!!

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    6. I think the Firelord/Doomwing is a surety for this model. I have been thinking about this for over a month, but it seems that the original spoiler suggested a 'real' metalized dragon. I think these people above have the right idea. As a Tzeentch fan I am much more excited about this model!!!

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    7. Its name isnt Doomwing.

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  12. If they make models for possessed daemonic raptors in the same style as the current ones, I will buy them. I can't wait to see the new codex if this is all true!

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    1. yeah this sounds pretty awesome, I imagine the posessed raptors will proably be winged posessed or something

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    2. I hope they will just be the same models we have now, we will just need all of them to have the winged backpacks. I already have 10 :)

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  13. To b honest i am hoping they release both csm and da codicies before the starter set so one army isn't having to wait til next meanwhile the other gets to take off with a new book models etc. I know csm needs a new dex bad but so do my da and i would love to have a new dex to go with my new starter set and i think csm players want the same

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  14. Any rumors on Fabius biles rules in the new dex

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    1. Playtesters stated that he has more gadgets. Also one of them awhile back mentioned the possibility of having a rule like of the Necron Lords called "Surrogate Host" Dont have the codex though so Im not sure....

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    2. Surrogate hosts is for Trazyn. Basically means when he dies he comes back on a 2+ but replaces some model on the board. So its possible that Bile could have this huh.....

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    3. That sounds more like something lucius would have except not random in that way, more like a model from the opposing squad or, the challenger/challengee

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  15. $45 Codices, here we come! Kinda surprise my buddy is so quiet on this, I know he is saving money for it big time though! ;)

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  16. I'm looking forward to this book!

    Scissorheart

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  17. To elaborate, I just finished reading 'Fulgrim' from the Black Library and that's the direction I'm going in. I'll get some Deamon's as allies and find some purple paint. Raaaaggghh! :)

    Scissorheart

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  18. "A new Daemon Engine - half way between a Dreadnought and a Defiler."

    Does this sound like the Decimator Daemon Engine to anyone else?

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    1. I asked my mate that and he said no, but similar.

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    2. It's a new plastic kit. It's not the Forgeworld decimator.

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    3. GW said they'd avoid stepping on FW's toes in the future, so I doubt they'd release a quite new FW mini in platic.

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  19. There are no chaos daemons so you pay £20 for the daemons book.

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  20. Seems like dark apostles have spread trough all the legions...

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    1. I imagine that the explination will be that while the word bearers are notable for haveing an orginized "church" so to speak, dark apostles exist to one degree or another amongst all the legions as individuals who become fanatical chaos followers take up the mantle.

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  21. Two types of Obliterators? Here's hoping for a plastic dual kit.

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  22. Oh fun, I love how chaos gets to have EVERYTHING the Imperium does, with better stats and for less points, AND they get their broken heretical stuff.

    What a load. I can only hope that my Dark Angels will be able to compete with a new codex, but it seems more like a pipe dream with these kinds of rumors.

    Expect to see everyone repainting their loyalist Marines to be Chaos.

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    1. because the imperium gets screwed on everything...oh no wait : P

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    2. Just remember the dark angels are the first legion and according to the fluff they have access to the most ancient and powerful tech so let us wait and hope we get a codex worthy of the first legion and not get down trodden with all these heretics and their goodies just yet

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    3. even if all these rumors are true chaos hardly gets "Everything" the imperium does.

      space marines have a MUCH greater variaty of fast attack options chaos has raptors and bikers, vs the standard marines assault marines, bikers, land speeders, assault bikes and scout bikes, and the storm talon gunship.

      heavy support space marines have plenty of options CSMs lacks, having the thunder fire canon, the wirlwind, and 2 variants of land raiders that apparently none of the chaos legions have been able to figure out. speaking of the land raider, sure the CSM land raider is cheaper, but the space marine land raider has eneugh room for 2 more troops (or one more terminator) which allows a 5 man termy squad of marines to have a independant char attached to em, it also has power of the machine spirit, which is incrediably useful if you use the land raider in the line breaker role it's intended to be used in, ohh and marines can take the Land raider as dedicated transport for terminators.
      Marines also have 3 variaties of dreadnought, to the chaos marines 1 (and the chaos dread has that whole insanity thing)

      speaking of transport, the chaos marines have rhinos and thats IT, space marines have the drop pod (which means they can deep strike ANYTHING) and the Razorback (which is awesome if your useing combat squads)

      even if all the rumors are true, dark angels will be getting a new codex themselves. until then stop gripeing, chaos space marines haven't had a new codex since 4th eaither

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    4. Trust me. Speaking to Phil and the playtesters personally. Chaos is going to be one of the strongest armies....

      Ever!

      Its really gonna reflect they are 10, 000 year veterans plus gifted by the Gods. Their going to be kickass in combat and still dish it in firepower.

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    5. And Phil told you this! I think not :)

      Scissorheart

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    6. Well he never gives the name of his work. But thats how he said his "Soon to be released project" is going to be.

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    7. Anonymous @4:04 basically got it right. As for weapons, well Storm bolters = twin linked bolters? Also, Havocs can't get Plasma cannons and multi-meltas, we dont get TH/SS, Iron Halo, Digital Weapons, Relic Blades, Signums, better access to psychic powers, psychic hoods, hurricane bolters, assault cannons, flamestorm cannons, thunderfire cannons, whirlwind missile launcher, siege mantlets, most things dreadnought related (look at Forgeworld!), Power of the Machine Spirit, Veteran anything, Orbital Bombardment, and Siege Shields. Let me know if I've forgotten anything, because I'm sure I have.
      So, they clearly have EVERYTHING, as you can see by that very short list of stuff that they don't have, and of course, identical statlines mean that somehow, Chaos' statlines are better, and obviously us having overcosted units means that we get units for less points than you do. It makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

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  23. No cult terminators = sad panda. Hope that one doesn't come true.

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    1. I could see cult terminators being simply "War gear" options.

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  24. Lol I love the loyalist crying about chaos gttng everything Lmao that really made me laugh. DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR, MAKE WAY FOR NOISE AND DRUNKEMEGID DEBAUCHERY!!

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  25. This sounds identical to a draft copy from a month and a half ago. I know that one of the revisions allowed rolls on the chart after wiping out an enemy unit in close combat, as well as challenges. Not sure why that's not in there.

    Your source might not have the most up to date version.

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  26. With all due respect, this rumor is circulating on a lot of blogs. The author is completely misinformed and very little of what he is describing will actually be found in the new Codex.

    Without going into details about what actually is there, the descriptions of the new units are way off, the Eye of the Gods does not exist, and none of the enhancements to existing units are described accurately.

    This is frustrating to read. I understand people's impatience with the existing Codex, but a significant amount of effort has gone into developing the new one and getting it right. It's upsetting to think there will be gamers in the community who will be disappointed when it finally hits the shelves, because their expectations have been set so high by rumors such as these.

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    1. As I just posted in reply to exactly the same post on my blog:

      With all due respect back to yourself (I am always somewhat sceptical when I see an Anonymous poster), my friend (who I can't name for obvious reasons) had no reason not to tell me the anything but the truth. He is fully involved in the development and playtesting of Games Workshop products for a long number of years now. Everything he has talked about in the past has always come to pass. So why would this be any different? So I am going to stick by my guns and what he said.

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    2. Please fellow anonymous, enlighten us all with the information you claim to possess. If not, I see no reason to doubt Neil, who obviously trusts his friend enough to risk his credibility as a rumormonger if these are wrong by posting here and on his own blog as well. My point being, if you are seeking to disprove someone who is just trying to keep the community well informed of new developments within the hobby, please provide some solid proof, otherwise don't hate. And to Neil and Logan a big thank you! This probably could've been put better by someone else but I said it first hahahahaHAHAHA!!!

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    3. Just going to put this out here; whether or not these rumors are currently accurate, you cannot deny the uncanny resemblance these have with a previous draft that was in the hands of certain people about a month and a bit ago.

      If sweeping changes were made (and I hope so, as the iteration I read was trash) then so be it, but to try to attack someone's credibility is a bit rude.

      I pray that he's wrong; not because he's intentionally lying or just woefully misinformed, but because the rules he's quoting (which are pseudo accurate as of a month ago) have been changed.

      If you really are so in touch with the current book, etc, then you would do better to call him out on being behind on updates, not trying to tell people that he's full of it. The things he quoted were, as of a month ago, in the book in some form or another, or at least vaguely similar and it can be understood how heresy would distort it.

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    4. Not sure I follow, the new csm were made with 6ed rules in mind I believe

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    5. So skuzzlebumm, hes a play tester? Interesting.....

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    6. Never said he was a playtester - just that he is involved in the development and playtesting.

      Regarding the worry (hate) about the randomness, I honestly like the sound of it - it is all very Realm of Chaos and The Lost and the Damned, which I like and how it was described to me.

      It is going to be interesting as I have already received a lot of hate emails about my post... some gamers I ask you... will just wait 2 weeks and see if I am vindicated or if my mate was stringing me along (which would be the first time ever when it comes to 40K rumours).

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    7. Yes they were made with 6th ed in mind. The latest rendition I had the privilege of seeing though was a month and a half ago, so things could have changed as it might have (even then) been an older version than what was to be printed (you never know how long things take to trickle through pipes to the wrong hands).

      My point, was that Skcuzzlebumm's rumors were spot on in some places, similar in others, and could be how someone would misread something in others.

      The anonymous poster who tried to tear him down suggested he knew more, and I was trying to make it clear that as of 1.5 months ago, Skcuzzle is correct.

      Things may have changed, but that would be a new revision, not him (or his friend) making anything up.

      A month and a half ago, the Eye of the Gods was in. Morphing melee weapons were in. Raptors had a Nightlord cult (think the way world eaters do) which had access to PAIRS of lightning claws (not buy 1, buy another) at a great rate (think 15 points for the first, 20 points for a pair).

      Possessed payed points to take traits (up to 3) from the chart.

      And you got to roll on the chart after annihilating a unit in close combat, as well as defeating characters in challenges.

      Etc.

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  27. Let it be known that I am in no way trying to invite an argument or hate on XVRouge, but i believe it was stated a few months ago that chaos was at the printers. If you did indeed see the new codex 1.5 month(s) ago, it was most likely the final version IMO

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  28. .thanks for sharing

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