The Chaos Space Marine codex is very much here. In case you were concerned that this was it for the rest of 2012....... Worry no longer. More rumors are now saying that indeed, the Dark Angel codex will be here soon.

Please remember that these are rumors.

via Stickmonkey over on Warseer
Right now info I have is we will see DA in November, and we can play with them before Christmas.

From the rules rumor dept I have a few bits, please bear in mind these are only rumors:

HQ:
Azrael
Belial - not needed for deathwing
Sammael - not needed for ravenwing
Azmodai
Ezekiel
Barakiel - named Techmarine/master of the forge! Note: barakiel is known as Angel of Lightning in references
Sabrael - guardian of the inner circle, gives bonus to inner circle unit
Librarian
Company Master TA option
Interrogator chaplain
Command squad ( option to take TA or bikes with Belial or Sammael respectively, and apothecary, standard bearer, 1 heavy weapon)

Elite:
Techmarine
Chaplains (x3 can function independently like sanguinary priests in BA, or form a unit w special rules). Only characters if independent.
Inner circle unit ( name is not known) tasked with hunting down one enemy unit, special rules for doing so. Can death wing assault, can assault on deep strike. But glass cannon, great in assault, but standard PA so will be easily shot up.
Brother-interrogators - this unit wears chaplain style death masks, but are not chaplains, they are a specialist unit adept at near range combat, standard armament is dual bolt pistols and power maul. Can upgrade pistols.
Veterans
Dreadnought
Scouts

Troops:
Terminators
Tactical squad
Ravenwing Bike squad not sure how it differs from ravenwing assault squad.

FA:
Ravenwing assault squad
Ravenwing support squad
Assault marines
Ravenclaw air superiority fighter

Hvy
Predator
Whirlwind w flakk options
Land raider
Devastator w flakk options
Dreadnought
Vindicator

Rumor is there is something else for the heavy slot too, but no info specific to it.

Fortifications:
Siege cannon ( this is supposedly the Techmarine cannon described earlier)
Battle bunker

That's enough to chew on for now....might be a few more surprises...and this is still just RUMOR folks...names and all.





Land speeder storm was also in the FA slot, according to sources.

No mention of excessive plasma-ness in this round.

Phil did say that. However, there has also been much debate over getting appropriate xenos fortifications into the mix. They have eldar, ork and tyranid terrain just waiting to be produced that I know of. Maybe next summer will be summer of fortifications. :P


Standard Dedicated Transports are there, Rhino, razorback, and Drop Pods. I have conflicting rumors the Land Raider is in as a Dedicated Transport for Terminators.

Also in discussions at Games Day, the StormTalon is to remain a Codex Space Marines only vehicle.

Mixed terminator squads: Earlier rumor was mixed squad remained, however, cyclones could only be taken on SB marines. I haven't heard any more on this, that was a while ago, it really could go either way. I wouldn't build any more or tear apart those you have just yet.

the company master for DA in TA will be a single plastic character blister. It will include some options for loadout but not all, but will be blinged out like the DV termies.



the new landspeeder
Its bigger than the StormTalon, but the fuselage has a landspeeder style to it. I took it to mean squarish. The wings are supposedly fanned forward like an Aquila. And others have mentioned it would not take much to make this look like the chapter symbol, but I haven't heard anything on this.

The single character sprues have plenty of space on them for options. Look at what is packed onto a character finecast sprue. You have Arjak in a smaller finecast sprue and he's in TA, then you have Draigo with head swaps. I don't find it at all implausible they could have 2-3 weapons, perhaps a sword, a storm bolter or a combi weapon all on the sprue. Also, IIRC there was a single sprue terminator released with WD with the starter release for 5th. Granted, it was just a starter terminator, but it certainly fits in the character sprue sized thoughts.

From what I have heard there is a death wing upgrade character, a tactical upgrade character, a ravenwing upgrade character, and a scout upgrade character, namaan being one of these.

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  1. How dare they steal seraphims 2gun routine!

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    1. The Horus Heresy book also has marines with dual pistols as a squad.

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    2. Cypher uses dual pistols why wouldn't other dark angels use dual pistols

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    3. Apaarently they can only dual wield if within 12" of john woo who can be taken as an IC

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  2. Im hoping the assault RW is like an assault squad on bikes. Also hoping for ezekiel not going to suck arse by being out psykered by every other pysker

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    1. Amen in the faq he is only level one and getting is the master of librarians for the the chapter!!!

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    2. I can agree here with Ezekiel only being level one but I wonder if they could 'limit' his choice but make up for it by ensuring they go off better than other librarians.

      Thoughts?

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    3. Trikes & Speeders squads

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    4. At least you're not a Farseer. Best psykers in the galaxy, their fluff has them flip TANKS, and yet their still only useful for runes of warding/fortune. ALL I ASK IS SOME DIRECT DAMAGE SPELLS!

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  3. Be still my beating heart!

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    1. you'd be dead and you wouldn't get to enjoy the new DA codex

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  4. Very interesting, DA's were the chapter i used back in second edition, so good to hear they're getting some love.
    I think the DA's best psyker should only be a level 3..otherwise Ahriman and Eldrad arent as unique as they should be.

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    1. Personally I am hoping that they punch Eldrar up to psyker 4 in the next Eldar Codex, just to underline the fact that he is an old kickass psyker that foresees fate itself.

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    2. They should also put him to 0 wounds to represent the fact that he's dead.

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    3. He just disappeared into the warp like that Grey Knight dude, probably fighting and occasionally hopping out to turn the tides of battle.

      I could see that happening especially if Matt Ward writes the codex. Then he can write some bullshit misogynist story about how certain Eldar aspect warriors abused some Sisters of Battle.

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    4. Nah hes just lost in the warp... He will fight his way out.

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    5. Eldrad is dead so he might not be in the next dex

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    6. Which means he will be replaced with a very similarly powered farseer. Of course they might take that away from us as well and prove once and for all their abject hatred for everything Eldar.

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    7. Eldar and Ahriman. Level 4. No one else. Period.

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    8. Eldrad will be resurrected by matt ward

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    9. Naaman is dead, yet he is supposedly in this dex

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    10. All I said was might but in my opinion they should stop putting dead characters in new codices. "cough Tyco cough"

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    11. You guys really should read some books. In battle for kadilus you have clearly stated that there was already dozens of Namaans and many of them are on the walls of hall of fame or something like that. So when that one died its really no problem because there will be another one. There is no main Namaan, all of Namaans at hall of fame were scout sergeants and heroes.

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    12. Name of the book was "Purging of Kadillus" and here is quote:
      "Even his name was something that Naaman was only borrowing from the Dark Angels; he knew the stories of twenty-six Brother Naamans that had come before and also knew that the twenty-eighth Brother Naaman would learn of his actions."

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  5. all sounds good to me.

    especially the November release

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  6. So DA get more of what they asked for than chaos? Typical

    That being said given the trend off false rumours laty I've got NaCl poisoning

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    1. You can't get 'poisoned' from NaCl. You get extremely dehydrated, renal failure, stroke, hypertension, etc.
      I hope that we see more AA options, like other marines getting a flyer/AA whirlwind, 'cause the Whirlwind Hyperios looks cool and I've been a fan of that artillery tank :D

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    2. Lol
      I agree with the salt poisoning gag
      If dehydration related hallucinations, headaches, nausea and fatigue - not to mention renal failure and possible cardiac failure is not "poisoning" What is?
      Aside, yes. As a looooong term chaos player, reading all the rumours, and being led on and let down by a bunch, I recommend the DA players just chill a lil, and wait for some solid gear to avoid disappointment. We all love Natfka and bis blog, but seriously, rumours are rumours after all...
      That said, I ask who the author is rumoured to be? DA need some love too, and while CSM missed out on a lot, we got a whole lot we never saw coming.. If DA also get Kelly, we can rest assured of not getting too OTT rules, decent new fluff, and not too much destroying of the old. Along with some nifty new tricks and stuff that makes the list competitive, but not BS.
      Ward, however..? New cheese, ragged fluff, and some new shiny's that will rock short-term, bring on the bandwagoners, then leave the list cold and hollow with the arrival of a new meta (or codex-creep)

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    3. Define poisoning?

      Killing you via osmosis, and that's what happens not dehydration, is a form of poisoning. It's basically like turning yourself into a giant peice o beef jerky. The salt draws the water out of you on the cellular level.

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    4. I love beef jerky, I may need to consider this.

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    5. http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/poison too lazy to explain in full so link. Other salts, like say heavy metal salts, are toxic, but NaCl is only toxic if you ingest excessive amounts and don't bother consuming enough water to rectify to the hypertonic conditions within your body. Anyhow, it'll be great when this codex is out, as Tau/Eldar should be next after it.

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    6. yeah but it will still kill you if you ingest enough or are exposed to enough externally.

      thus it conforms with

      taken internally or applied externally that is injurious to health or dangerous to life.

      Heres some fun facts the lethality records of NaCl:
      LC50 Inhalation - rat - 1 h - > 42,000 mg/m3
      LD50 Dermal - rabbit - > 10,000 mg/kg

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    7. Not really relevant, but hilarious that rabbit gets measured by weight, and rat is measured by volume. I know they are effectivly interchangable in living creatures, but even so

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  7. "Rumor is there is something else for the heavy slot too, but no info specific to it."

    I wonder if that will be a land raider Ares.
    I hope not, since I run a Blood Angels list with one.

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    1. If the brother interegator unit is anything to go by it will be a brand new da tank tht looks like an organ and fires d6 ap1 missiles a turn.....

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    2. The one you're talking about already exist, and is called "Exorcist" and is in Sisters of Battle army...

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    3. It is a joke based on the dual pistol unit stealing Seraphims niche.

      I can't see the Interrogator brothers that dangerous. Upgrading them to any kind of threat level would probably make them overpriced.

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    4. Yeah mate im a sisters of battle player was whineing that our best unit is gonna get a souped up marine version

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  8. "can assault on deep strike"

    Sigh. Playing anything other than GW's beloved marines is like trying to ice-skate uphill. I guess I should be thankful for the challenge.....

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    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXhKzY0BKwY

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    2. Lol. Spot on. I am one of those mf's.....;)

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    3. Don't worry, as a xenos player I am always skating uphill.

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    4. Vanguard vets assault from deepstrike, why wouldn't death wing be able too?

      There are many specialised units put there.
      And I'm sure there will be more come...

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    5. Ymgarl, dude. My 'stealer list is fun with all the new psychic powers to throw around, plus the ymgarls being able to wake up angry.
      Still, not many wins being xenos vs anything in power armor(or with living metal skin). Still fun, just not hugely winny.

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  9. I hope we get Sternguards as well as mentioned in a previous rumor. Otherwise all this looks nice...

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  10. wow no storm raven in i don't think this is real :D

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    1. Też się cieszę : ) // Glad to see it too : )

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  11. Is there any info who is the author?

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    1. "can assault on deep strike"

      I'm guessing Matt Ward.

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    2. Yea lol the sisters of battle unit steal also points to him

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  12. hopefully this techmarine cannon will be a dual part plastic kit which could also make a thunderfire. at the very least, plastic techmarine?

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    1. Heck, just release a plastic techmarine!

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  13. Vanguard assault on deep strike costs an arm and a leg, I'd be surprised if this were any different.

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  14. That's a list! Glory to the 1st Legion! I'll hardly resist creating new Dark army (of loyalists this time). Thanks to GW for my saved on new Chaos models money, I'll spend them elsewhere... on the same web-site, lol.

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  15. The number of design studio staff who couldn't say what they've been working on for the past year would imply another non-Hobbit release this year.

    (Those working on the Hobbit are allowed to say "We've been working on the Hobbit", but there was a good portion of folk who couldn't say anything at all.)

    Also, they are apparently working on 2 or 3 lists together to improve the playtesting coverage. Another Codex shortly after Chaos would have this make sense.

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  16. So.. No gunslinger? No gets hot re-roll special rule? No terminators plasma rifle?

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    1. Everyone has gunslinger, friend. It's in the weapons section of the rulebook. Fun stuff.

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    2. Terminators get Plasma Blasters in Horus heresy - Betrayal

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  17. So after the lackluster chaos codex DA will get a good one, not even having to take Belial for Deathwing, lots of flakk options and chaplains that you can get 1-3 for a slot instead of the 1 for a Dark Apostle.

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    1. All the chaos rumours made it look super awsome and op to tho will probably be no way near as good as its made out

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  18. Funny how everyone already claims how lackluster and bad the CSM codex is... wait till after the first bg tournament!

    Else, I'm really looking forward to the DA codex!
    Not sure on the company master with TA armour though. IMO Belial should be the only company master in TA.
    Any details on the command squad for Sammael if it will be regular bikes or (hoping for) jetbikes?

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    1. Company Masters have all risen through the ranks and are finally inducted into the deathwing and the inner circle before being bestowed with the honored title of Company Master. They've fought many hundreds of years over hundreds of battlefields, so they can take TA whenever they damn well please in my book.

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    2. don't need tournaments to know I can't run a deathguard army mate.

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    3. Maybe by "Company Master in TA" they meant Captain or Champion. I'd like an assistant to Belial for taking the other side of the board. A lot of my lists now feature 2 LRs with close combat DW squads and 3 deepstriking shooty DW squads so that would be pretty good for me.

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    4. What prevents you from running a Death Guard army? You can mark your Chaos Lord with Mark of Nurgle to make the plague men troops choices again. It's what I'm going to do for my Death Guard.

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    5. um the fact that I can only have cult line units mate, no cult terminators, no cult havocs, not cult chosen, and only one choice in the whole codex that is a deathguard HQ.

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  19. Can someone clean up the remains of my head, I couldn't contain the hobby joy!

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  20. Please...please be good...

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    1. Please be as good as CSM codex or just a tiny bit worse 8)

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  21. Might have missed it when reading but never noticed any mention of the Plasma Pred.. Any idea if it is still rumoured to be in?

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    1. The plasma predator is an upgrade to the turret of the normal predator, the same as you can currently upgrade the autocannon to Twin-Las.

      It doesn't have its own entry.

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    2. Hey, he knows stuff we don't - get him!

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    3. I know fw and gw have been patching up their differences, but I feel like something might be said if da steal the deimos pattern predator

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  22. Awww suki suki....thats what Ive been waiting for! I could enjoy an army like that...maybe if its true I could finally field a cheesy list and have people bitch about my army. =)

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    1. I can't wait for the 90-100 days of bitching about the CSM. I play mostly Eldar, and people haven't truly bitched about them in a long time, so it will be nice to be the recipient of said bitching for a time. Probably just until DA comes out though.

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  23. I still dint see whats the point of making this an entire codex...

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    1. Ok jaydee we all get it u r anti space marines getting individual codexes it is what it is ok get over it

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    2. No its not that. I mean, another SM codex? And in November? Seems to be stealing from CSM. No i dont persinally care for the SM but i think its kinda a waste of space. They have bikes, and white terminators. And plasma. Thats really it.

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    3. And really i dont see how they could expand their otential like they did with Chaos.

      Also im not trying to hate in DA or SM players

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    4. I'm with you JayDee.

      I mean, take one look at that army list - there's maybe two or three units that can actually be distinguished as DA; the rest are rank and file marines.

      People would start flipping out if GW took time out of their development schedule to make entire books about a single chaos legion. Why marines get the love, I'll never understand.

      Of course they're all fodder for my 'nids anyhow, but still.

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    5. Couldn't agree more, I understand that SM are the most popular and to keep armies original it makes sense to release multiple different codexs but I don't think it is right to do that exclusively for SM, why not do some CSM legions or any other race for that matter? failing that at least offer rules for legions in each races codex...

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    6. Ok that's cool my misunderstanding i would rejoice if each traitor legion got its own stuff i personally like fluff armies as opposed to tournament winners but would u pay $200 for four codexes one for each god or just 50 for all of them as csm usually has multiple gods represented in one army as csm usually operates as warbands it would be like telling eldar and dark eldar hey we r putting u all in one codex and i am not hating or trolling i would love to see everybody get new codexes

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    7. This gets brought up so often and then answered you'd think people would just come to accept it.

      Space Marines are the cash cow making up the majority of GW's sales. Every year is almost assured of a Space Marine major release to maintain sales numbers.

      Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves will always receive books as they are 1st Founding Chapters, highlight a variety of archetypes, and already have 25 years each of established fan support. In other words, they aren't going anywhere.

      A case can (and is consistently) made that other 1st Founding Chapters are more divergent but a 4-5 year release cycle leaves no room for Codex: Iron Hands or whatever.

      Yes, it would be awesome to see X army book as everyone has some under represented favorite but they are a business and putting all the Marines into one book and denying themselves 3-4 years of major Marine releases is bad business. Those Marine releases make everything else possible. So love Marines. Wish them all much success, because without Marines to maintain sales growth you won't have SoB's or Dark Eldar or whatever.

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    8. And believe me, Id insult my mother to get an Adeptus Mechanicus book but its not happening with the sheer number of armies already available and limited shelf space in the stores.

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    9. Well stated. But hell, i can only imagine the incredible amount of...happiness and joy...i would spray all over my pants if i got an iron hands codex. Holy throne of sh**ting earth!

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    10. Actually, it's as good as confirmed that FW are doing Mechanicus like they did with Chaos Dwarves.

      There's even some in HH - Betrayl.

      Still, I'm more concerned about when my Tau are being brought in from the developers exile.

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    11. Forgeworld doing Mechanicus is not the same as GW doing Mechanicus. FW doing it will relegate Admech to a strictly boutique army that I could only bring to a tournament as a counts as force. Don't get me wrong, I'd still collect it, but not with the same fervor because it would get played less.

      And Tau were listed in the first half of 2013 in Hastings rumored Codex schedule. You shouldn't have to wait more than a year I'm guessing.

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    12. Not true....all Forge World lists have been recently made tournament legal....theres no longer any restriction placed on bringing any kind of list from forge world to any major tournament...so unless FW restricts their Admech list to the Horus Heresy game system, theres nothing stopping you from using it in a tournament.

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    13. ^ This. Thank you Mortechai. Every time I see someone bitching about fw models now, I get that warm glow when I show them the front of IA11. And everyone that still goes "well, it requires player consent" can just de. ALL games of 40k require player consent. If you don't wanna play my army, then feel free to concede

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  24. Wonder whittle cover art will be maybe the artwork from the angels of darkness cover that would b awesome

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  25. Most interested to see how chaplains operate especially Litanies of Hate. DV rules of only working against chaos seemed to considerably weaken the chapter as a whole.

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  26. This all sounds so promising I do hope it its as good in reality having just sorted all my random bits out and found nearly a companys worth o marines, I think its successor time

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  27. Ok so I'm still really confused on the stormtalon only being for codex sm because in the 6th rule book I have seen a few pics of BA with a BA stormtalon.

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    1. Will have to look when I get home from work.

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    2. Do you mean stormraven?

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  28. Yes, and CSM are on september. I think that as all rumors we need to postpone them a little. I'd say first week december with announcement in november.

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  29. I believe some of the Dark Eldar finecast kits have multiple options as well, based on a trip to GW recently where I was looking for a kit to buy that would get me a model plus a helmet to put on Belial's base as a kill.

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  30. Dear lord, why are Scouts still an Elite choice? With new options being put into place and Termis moved to Troops they are NEVER going to be used. Maybe just remove Scouts from DA in general...

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    1. Haha all Dark Angels emerge fully formed from the skull of Azrael.

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    2. If they made da scouts better then maybe but if they are the same stat line and weapons then yeah, they will still be worthless.

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    3. Scouts aren't worthless. DA scouts just need bringing in line with other codex options and pricing. Camp cloaks would be a start.

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    4. I only have scouts because they came free in a boxset; but if I deploy them from reserve in a Razorback, it has th. Outflank rule, which can be handy... :-)

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    5. ....they can't have a razorback

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  32. Seriously why do people listen to StickMonkey he is wrong about EVERYTHING!

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  33. 40k players were complaining about the lack of 40k for the 25th anniversary earlier this year, they front loaded the fantasy releases and are now putting out all the 40k stuff for the year. Chances are Jan will be a fantasy codex again like last year. And besides, the more 40k codexes they put out in a row, the higher the chance of an army book that needs a lot of work coming out. *crosses fingers for brettonians*

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    1. *Shoves anonymous out of the way* :P

      Wood Elves!

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    2. Haha, here's another vote for the the tree huggers! I could finally finish my archer and dryad army!

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  34. It is .25 years of 40k tho kinda hoped .for more than 1codex and rule book. Just a shame were getting the joys of the hobbit to delay everything with hammer in the name

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  35. Excuse the grammar there my phone's decided it. Likes full stops

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  36. so but when will we see an update on your guardians of the covenant army?

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  37. The timing is perfect. I have all the IG I need until hell freezes over and they get new models. I have nearly all the Space Wolves I need, except for maybe some TWC. I bought DV for the little book and sold off the Chaos, so I will be ready to spend more money after the first of the year. And lo, GW has answered, and given me Things Upon Which To Spend. Me so happy, me want to cry.

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  38. November? Nah, its going to be The Hobbit next month. Even if it wasnt, it would be too soon after the last Codex.

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  39. With the chaos codex looking lack luster I'm incredibly happy I traded my chaos from DV for DA. It makes perfect sense that chaos is being released in Oct. and DA in Nov., they are what is in the DV box. People are going to want to play them. As for the Hobbit, GW can throw it in the garbage, what a waste of money.

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  40. Ya,but hasn't stick monkey been wrong about just about everything?

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  41. I have heard rumor the new Heavy Support will be the Land raider ARES!!!!!

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    1. I wouldn't take that too seriously, personally.

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    2. I built myself an Ares, and it is awesome. Be nice to be able to use it in standard 40k... :-)

      Can't really see it happening, tho, more's the pity

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  42. well not here yet (dec 3 2012) :(

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