Back a while back, we had a Chaos Space Marine QnA session, and it was an amazing event. There was a new land raider variant in it, one that was able to ram into fortifications... which sounded pretty cool. I am here to tell you it was dropped from the codex.

Now to move to a little more positive news,  we have a little more information on what the Forgefiend is......


Please remember that these are rumors. So yes, this is from a very reliable source.

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)
The ramming land raider is dropped.

The forgefiend is a CC demon engine, and there's a variant that's a a shooty variant with 2 butcher cannons and can take a heavy flamer and some other options.

One is dedicated CC, one is dedicated range, hellbrute is kind of half and half.


the Forgefiend is one codex entry you can make cc or shooty and it's heavy support.

The hellbrute is elite.

40 Comments:

  1. So still only one Land Raider variant for Chaos, the Godhammer?

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  2. so we'll have 2 dreadnoughts wanabee?
    Dreadnought, Hellbrute and Forgefiend

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    1. The Helbrute is the new name for Chaos Dreadnoughts.

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  3. Sucks about the Land Raider variant, I guess the editors didn't like the concept or thought it wouldn't be a balanced option.

    I like the Forgefiend stuff. I guess the question on everyone's mind is the points cost and effectiveness on the table. I wonder if, like the Hellbrute, it can take marks?

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    1. Hmm. There is the rumour that GW is stopping its "wave" release system in favour of releasing everything in the book as soon as possible. Anything that doesn't have models will be dropped from the codex, and when/if the models are completed they'd be released alongside a WD rules update.

      Perhaps this is what's happening with this LR variant? It's a long shot, I know, but it could happen...

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    2. Thats what i was about to say, could be released down the line, probably dont want chapterhouse making a conversion kit for it!

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    3. Probably due to that unseemly business with Chapterhouse is what is prompting the "wave" release system to be dropped.

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  4. Thanks again for the rumours! I'm just curious though... Hastings over at warseer mentioned a while back, a 'centauroid' like unit, and a walker of some sort... Is the forgefiend one of these? If so, any idea which one?

    Thanks again for the info!

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  5. This forgefiend is sounding better by the minute! I keep thinking of what 8 S8 shots could do to a rhino, lol...

    Bummer about the dropped LR variant, but oh well. Can't steal ALL the 'nilla marine toys!

    I'm thinking I'm going to be buying at LEAST two forgefiend kits, if they're really this good.

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  6. Oh ffs the land raider was the thing i was lookin forward to most of all

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    1. It's kind of irritating that we only have one variant lol.

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    2. Ye lol just want a crusader style mass tranisit wagon

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  7. so is it hades autocannons or butcher cannons :? hoping its the first one i like the sound of hades for some reason :P

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  8. Yeah, one variant with stunted transport capacity...
    They better fix that, the PotMS is worth the 30pt difference, the stunted capacity should at /least/ be worth a points drop if they don't fix the imbalance..

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  9. SCREW YOU GW!!

    ALL WE WANTED WAS A RAIDER THAT WORKED!!!

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  10. So uh it's like a Defiler with more options?

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    1. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. seems they nerfed the defiler and are trying to distract us with this new Forgefiend. Could've just made the defiler competitive...

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    2. That's less than stellar if the Defiler gets hosed. I just got my first one and finished painting it only a few weeks ago. Maybe it will suck the best?

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  11. Hmm... if we only get one landrider I hope we can upgrade some weapons on it... like a butcher cannon in the place of the heavy bolter or something like that...

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  12. I saw someone say it looked like a Centaur, and was on the large oval base?
    Interesting.

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  13. I hope the do something to change the csm land raider. As it stands, its just not very usable.

    I'm pretty pumped about forge fiend. Sounds like some serious dakka potential. If the hellbrute can also take hades cannons as rumored we might some long range csm armies. The thought of being able to make lists that actually play differently with csm is almost too exciting.

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    1. If we can really take marks on vehicles, I bet the LR really will be more useful. Nurgle supposedly gives It Will Not Die to vehicles, which would increase its longevity exponentially.

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    2. I would love to get a few weapon swap outs at least. C'mon torrent weapon!
      Heck, since it seems to be the thing in the new codex, have an option to drop the twin linked lascannons and slap a Butcher cannon (which may be nicknamed "bitcher cannons in the near future) on each side.

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  14. I think people make too much of a big deal about landraider variants. If you want like-for-like vanilla marine stuff, surely just play vanilla marines? As a csm player its the stuff thats different to the regular marines im interested in.

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    1. Dont want a like for like one just want one with a decent transport capacity

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    2. Exactly and our land raider is a "like for like" copy of the loyalist version as a "csm player" surely ud rather ours was a chaos varient than a regular one with spikes

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    3. I don't care so much about what regular marines have. I just hate see stuff in any codex that isn't readily useable unless your willing to shoot yourself in the foot to get use it. I don't always just aim to win, but I don't like being garunteed to lose either, and that's pretty much what taking a csm land raider is gonna do for you.

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  15. Land raider with bucher cannon sponsons and a reaper autocannon on top, I call it the land raider meat grinder.

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  16. More likely the Land Raider never existed.

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    1. I dunno, a Chaos-only Land Raider variant sounds more plausible than a lot of the rumours we have seen. I guess we'll never know for sure.

      As far as I am concerned, the Godhammer Land Raider is fine. But considering a big part of the current (and presumably oncoming) Chaos codex is the size and diversity of our units, it would be sad if we didn't get some kind of upgrade or other transport to hold more models.

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    2. Yea takeing 5man deathguard terminator squads feels like slapping nurgle in the face :(

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  17. My landraider opinion. Stop worrying about weapon loadouts and carrying capacity. The 1 constant all landraiders have in common is rear armor 14. The true use of this vehicle, which only a small portion of people seem to realize is, Formation disruption! Perform a hook move with that badboy and then proceed to tank shock horizontally down the length of their line, forcing them to move mutiple units out of the way each time. Chaos!

    I think in a attempt to try and stay on topic, the point of my opinion is, who cares if that variant is gone.

    Some how I let myself get caught up in a rant, but can't bring myself not to post it anyway. I'm sorry. My foot hurts. I bit it when I stuck it in my mouth

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    1. The larger portion of the people know about meltaguns.

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    2. But a lot of people are in the plasma mode for this edition..

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  18. Did anyone find out if the helbrute can take the old dreadnought options like plasma cannons and heavy bolters?

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    1. Guess not. That would be really disappointing if they cant.

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  19. I was hoping for a version of the Land Raider that allowed for a 16 man transport capacity.
    The limitation of only 12 bodies means a much more restricted roll for the Land raider in terms of what it can deliver where. It also means that Khorne forces are going to feel the pinch because, with the restrictions on assaulting and transports, Khorne 'Zerkers will be looking to the Landraider as a Berzerker delivery method.

    Maybe we'll get at least the multi-melta turret option? Not great, but something.

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