Here is a second set of rumors that are mostly in response to Stickmonkey's rumors earlier in the week. Now the big questions comes down to this before anything else.....


When is it going to be released?
Stickmonkey says first of December,
Hasting says  Nov DA, beginning Dec Hobbit
Tasty Taste says  Jan-Feb 2013


via Tasty Taste over at Blood of Kittens
Let us start with the Dark Angel  release of November… all I can say is this…….no
Dark Angels will be coming out but won’t out till Jan-Feb 2013


I actually don’t think they are getting a Flyer. 
Inner Circle sorta fits with what I have been hearing. 
Super Techmarine sounds like the answer to the Warpsmith. 
Fortification is pretty solid, but don’t expect army specific fortifications just yet it should be an addition to the current list.

Here is some tip bits of what I know about the new Dark Angel codex that should hold you over.
Expect Dark Angels to be the ones that get Hatred: Chaos Space Marines.
In fact, expect a “hatred type” trend to continue especially considering the addition of Allies.

GW wants (along fluff lines) to have armies counter other armies in extremely specific ways. In addition, and I am going to be nice and vague about this, but I bet you can figure it out if you do some research. The new major unit for Dark Angels is something  Games Workshop is currently in court over over with a certain other company that already made them. If that doesn’t ring a bell, let me say it is a unit that perhaps only the Masters of the 2nd Companies would know about.


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  1. Does it start with "J" and rhyme with "Ret-Rikes"?

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    1. No GW are pissed at Westwood for nicking orc trucks for the new C&C game so now DAs are getting ORCA gunships as their new fliers!
      (that gives me an idea for making stormtalons look less crap... i'll need some pliers and a computer fan...)

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  2. So, from the clues contained in the article, I guess this means the Dark Angels are getting Squats?

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    1. YES! Of course they are! Well played GW, well played.

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    2. DA already have squats. But the DA squats wear robes and we call them 'the watchers in the dark'

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    3. Their not really squats though, they are some weird Nul creatures that lived in the forests of Caliban.

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    4. That's just what the dark angels tell GW so the tyranids don't get them xD

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    5. The oly problem now is, how to get the forests back on Caliban, erm mean the rock of course, so they can proliferate ;-)

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    6. Dont be silly!. Everyone knows those Watchers are Hrud...

      In all seriousness though i highly doubt a December release and although November is possible i suppose...actually NO, I want January/February to be the new Tau Codex so DA can be November. Screw WoC! Fantasy have already had 2 army books this year!

      -DAMO.R

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    7. Aww man, turn back the squat clock :(

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    8. Actually, if you read the short story in the primarchs you find out what the watchers in the dark really are.

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    9. Refresh our memories please. I just remember Johnson talking to it at the end.

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    10. We all know too that squats have infiltrated CSM helbrutes too....

      I mean cmon! Look at that face :P

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  3. I think I'm the only Dark Angel player who doesn't want jetbikes. I'd rather have stick monkey's rumours be true.

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    1. I dont want them either.
      but would they really release plastic jetbikes at the same time forgeworld release them?

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    2. They'd be a different style/weapon load out for sure though, all the forgeworld ones carry heavy weapons

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    3. Well Sammael's has a heavy weapon so you'd be pretty pissed if you got one of the dud ones that comes without :P

      Seriously though, I find the whole idea tacky and it makes me cringe a little. No doubt they're cool but I'm really not up for seeing whole units of them filling the battlefields. But hey, who am I to argue? I thought thunderwolf cav was a tacky idea.

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    4. Honestly, a squad that could Turboboost with Sammy would be pretty cool. That never bothered you OP?

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    5. No, what bothers us is having to go replace or add more bikes to our collection only to have every other player whine about the new codex-creeped unit.

      Let the Xenos have their jetbikes. All I need to fix my DA lists are a tooled out H2H character and Rifleman dreads.

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    6. Then don't buy them?

      If they make the command squad for Sammy jetbikes only I'll be butthurt too though.

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    7. @ DerFo - in answer to your question, it's honestly never bothered me. It just seems like a lazy way to make a unique unit for the sake of having one. I just can't see a fluff justification that wouldn't be tedious at best.

      I'd rather they set us apart than making us just space marines with jet bikes. Blood Angels are more codex adherent than us yet they feel like they have more of an identity than us.

      A solid balanced codex and an identity that sets us apart. This is what I hope for.

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    8. correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't sammael's jetbike literally the one single remaining imperium jetbike? not exactly a lot of scope in the canon for suddenly finding a crap tonne of ancient relics and giving them to regular marines

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  4. I would hope that Tasty is wrong, just so I get my DAs sooner!

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    1. Amen sooner the better and every rumor before said before the end of the year

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    2. Amen sooner the better and every rumor before said before the end of the year

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    1. To me it would not make sense that GW would put out a new codex with out a flyer model in it if I remember right all new codex's form 2010 and on hade a flyer type or was add later on

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    2. Space Wolves don't have a flier.

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    3. They sure don't! (it sucks, they should have a storm talon with skyclaws piloting the thing recklessly...I mean, responsibly) That's probably so you'll get some allies with flyer capability, or some dedicated AA. Speaking of flyers though, when are the supposed Eldar, Tau and Tyranid flyers being released? Pretty sure it was sometime this year.

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    4. SpacePuppies hate flying in general.. A la B.A. Baracus..
      They are as uncomfortable with it as they are with sorcery from what I've read (Prospero Burns, etc)

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  6. A few weeks ago I said, on this very blog, that Stickmonkey's DA rumours were going to turn out false. And, like clockwork, a source with a decent hit-rate has just shot them down. Can we please stop taking anything the man says seriously? It's getting in the way of discussing ACTUAL leaked info. Like this. Which sounds entirely plausible.

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    1. He does not actually disagree with the meat of SM's rumour's just the release date really =)

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    2. SM has a decent record, just always seems way off on the timings.

      On the other hand, while Tasty also has a good record, he's been a bit off lately.

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  7. We already have Cheese Knights countering a bad codex (Daemons) and countering good options in our old and most likely the new codex as well (CSM). Now they want DA to counter us as well?

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    1. rememebr CSMs can get Hatred (Space Marines) and that applies to space marines, space wolves, dark angels, black templars and grey knights.

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    2. In my tests it's not as good as it sounds. As a 1 time alpha strike grey hunters are still better in combat with that banner than warriors with VotLW and MoK.

      Since the banner allows all 1's to be rerolled including over watch, mark of the wulfen and armor saves, in three test fights chaos came out on the losing end on all

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    3. Well for the same price as a GH, you can have a chaos marine with hatred towards spess mehreens, better LD, and same loadout as a GH. If you want to add in marks/icons, I can give them MoS so they attack first, MoK for the bonuses, MoN for T5 (16 points for a T5 tac marine essentially).

      Sorry, but Grey Hunters aren't king shit anymore.

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    4. Uh?, what are you smoking?, CSM with bolter & CCw just like GH will cost the same, if you want them to have hatred and +1 ld they need to pay 1 more point, so they are one point over the cost of a GH but they chaos doesn't have counter-attack, ATSKNF and acute senses... without even taking into account GHs get special weapons for free.

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    5. What is VotLW?

      Thanks in advance.

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    6. Veteran of the Long War. A new 1pt per model upgrade for CSM that gives the bearer +1 and Hatred (Space Marines).

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    7. Grey Hunters are 14points
      CSM are 13 base, second ccw is 2, and VotLW is 1point. That makes CSM 2 points more expensive than Grey Hunters and that is before you even factor in ATSKNF, counter attack, wulfen, banners, AND cheaper special weapons.re

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  8. Cheesy smurfs with plasma-spam and jet-bikes? GW says YES!

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    1. the current rumours don't really support the prior plasma spam claims

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    2. But previous ones did. And you haven't got the sarcasm.

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  9. "Does it start with "J" and rhyme with "Ret-Rikes"?"

    SCOOBY DOOBIE DOO!

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  10. But previous ones did. And you haven't got the sarcasm.

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  11. So far I'm inclined to believe Hastings from what I've seen on warseer his track record is pretty good

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  12. dude if every armies suppose to be good at beating a different army than that's just stupid. it turn the entire game in to a 3 hour version of rock paper scissors and im not paying hundreds for models that can just to leave it up to the chance of what army im playing

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    1. Pick up games would suck.
      What army did you bring?
      Oh sorry, I'm just going to sit and paint (until someone else shows up).

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  13. I think the White Dwarf picture at the end is now 2 months ahead of time.

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  14. Dark Angels becoming Jet bike marines would be strange too me at least however I'm more interested on the new changes of the Deathwing and Ravenwing structures. If the Ravenwings become all jetbikes or jetbikes as elites or something special along those lines that would indeed make them stand out from the rest of the Marines on the table top.

    ChosenofTzeentch

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  15. "Gw wants to have armies counter other armies in extremely specific ways"

    Should that not read "gw want space marine armies to counter other non-space marine armies in multiple ways"? Otherwise how will they groom kids into the hobby? Tasty needs to double check with his source....

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  16. "Gw wants to have armies counter other armies in extremely specific ways"

    Should that not read "gw want space marine armies to counter other non-space marine armies in multiple ways"? Otherwise how will they groom kids into the hobby? Tasty needs to double check with his source....

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  17. I'd have to go with Hastings on this. His rumors are always spot on.

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  18. GW wants armies to counter others so people will be forced to buy multiple armies, lest they be screwed whenever they verse a specific army.

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    1. If thats true ill have to go fantasy :(

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  19. hobbit wont be beginning of december as it olnly come out on the 14th

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  20. Ugh, Dark Angels getting Jet Bikes before White Scars (or at least are vanilla getting the opportunity to get them also)? Curse the Vanilla codex!

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    1. Of everything unique about the DA codex geta absorbed into vanilla again, I'll be truely gutted. No wonder JayDee wants us rolled into vanilla.

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    2. Ha. It would be more convienent

      ONE BOOK TO RULE THEM ALL.

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    3. White Scars should get them too, as they're such a bike dedicated faction. They should be the only ones in the Vanilla codex to get them though. As much as I want DA to be unique, there damn sure better be more than jetbikes, so I wouldn't mind some crossover.

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    4. Btw. ONE BOOK TO BRING THEM ALL AND IN THE DARKNESS BIND THEM.

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    5. I would love to see one Marine Codex with WD updates for all the chapters... this could even work for CSM.

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    6. Vanilla Marine don't deserve jetbikes as they didn't look after them like the Dark Angels and their successors did. That said I don't want jetbikes.

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  21. I would be really sad if the ROCK-PAPER-SCISSORS thing is true. And I dont like allies either, but forcing us to use them is a bit too much.

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  22. Talking to my new store manager today... Apparently, all Space Marine armies, can make use of the StormRaven, as its rules are in the WhiteDwarf, and is listed as a spacemarine vehicle in the RuleBook, not as a BloodAngel specific vehicle.

    Which means I can fly around in my tin Box again.

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    1. Read the Space Marine FAQ and it will tell you the Stormtalon cannot be used with other chapters, likewise, the Stormraven cannot be used outside of Blood Angels amd Grey Knights in the appropriate FAQs

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    2. Sounds like you need to find a new store.

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    3. yeah well the guys at the gw store i go to encourage all space marine armys to use the Storm Talon. Including me with my chaos space marines and space wolves. They acknowledge this isn't what the FAQ says. But i think its all in fun and trying to sell lotsa stormtalons

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  23. Jet bikes w/lances /end whining.

    They are/were a knightly order.
    Would make he ravenwing assault squad idea make Alot more sense...

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  24. Jet bikes w/lances /end whining.

    They are/were a knightly order.
    Would make he ravenwing assault squad idea make Alot more sense...

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  25. Well Chapterhouse made jetbikes, and now they're in court with GW, that's all I have to say...

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    1. Oh yeah, and it's believed the Dark Angels has jetbikes stored away from the Heresy, so if anyone were to know here they are, why wouldn't it be the man that rides one?!

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  27. Now wish I could have seen te comment haha
    Seriously though, I think a 0-1 jet bike option for DA and white scars works within the fluff, and makes good sense given their play styles and previous usage of bikes/jetbikes.
    Am I a bit shocked chaos players seem somewhat unhappy and once again zenos players are clawing at their faceless like catalyn stark, no, I'm not.

    As a business, GW would only switch to one uniform boom if they can charge ALOT for the updates be they E format or paper. I just don't see it happening.
    But, I do hope they can continue to make decent zenos dexes-I'm excited about the prospects for Eldar and Tau or example.

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