Here are some more details from the Horus Heresy book 'Betrayal'. This book is extremely detailed and looks like a great book. Here we get to see some of the more basic rules and how they will play out.


From a Hobbyist with the book (did not want name mentioned)
Legiones Astartes
- units with this rule may ALWAYS attempt to regroup
- (legion specific rules go here too basically)

Battlesmith
- can attempts repairs on vehicles on 5+ with usual restrictions (can be enhanced with servo-arms)

Master of the Legion
- only one per 1000 point
- can take a command squad as part of the same selection on the FOC
- if a unit is the warlord, they gain master of the legion
- can roll twice on one warlord trait chart (rerolling doubles) and select which one to use
- have the option of using one of the Rites of War (recommended for experienced players though)

Rites of War
- alter some options and limiting others
- only affect Primary Detachment
- Allies can have rites of war too but do so independently of primary detachment (same/different/none)
- eg, orbital assault: units that can take rhinos can instead take drop pods as dedicated transports, Dreadnoughts can take dedicated drop pods, Contemptors can take dreadclaw drop pods, terminator armoured units may deepstrike, may not take ANY units that can't gain access to drop pods or deep strike rule, no fortifications

There is a Legion Specific Warlord Trait table but you can of course use the main rulebook ones.
1. Warlord and all Legiones Astartes cause Fear
2. After both forces are deployed but before turn order is decided, may redeploy one unit. Included option to put a unit into reserve or take one out
3. D3 units in primary force may have shred rules added to any blast or template weapons they use
4. Warlord is fearless, plus warlord and any unit of Legiones Astartes within 6" add +1 to wound score when calculating if they win combat in an assault
5. Warlord gains Adamantium Will and one nominated infantry unit gains Deep Strike
6. Warlord and any Legiones Astartes they join may reroll failed rolls of 1 to wound, close combat only

One of the HQ options, called a Legion Centurion, can be upgraded to a specific role for additional points such as chaplain for 35 points to gain Crozius Arcanum wargear and zealot special rule. There are plenty of options here though, like Primus Medicae. Lots of wargear upgrade options. Some roles will limit which wargear can be taken while others give more options, like Forge Lord may also take any techmarine options for the same cost.
Above a Centurion is a Praetor. Again, lots of wargear options. Role changing unique to Centurion though.

Honestly, this book has so much depth I'm making notes to remember everything when making army lists.

28 Comments:

  1. So much detail! im wondering if ill remember it all in battle

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  2. I understand them wanting to give 6th 30k a different feel. I worry about confusing the changes with 6th 40k. Especially still trying to get all of 5th out of my head and 6th memorised. Think index cards might help.

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  3. Did they ever announce if they were doing Custodes?

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    1. Yes, and sisters of silence, but they'll be designed as an allied detachment, though nothing stops you from making a dedicated army out of them except it'll be a little bit one dimensional.

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    2. Someone posted earlier that in an interview, it was said that they were too integral to the Heresy to not include them. Sorry can't remember exactly where it was posted.

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    3. Yeah, it was mentioned that they were too integral to the Fall of Prospero to leave them out.

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    4. They're going to be beast. They are to a Space Marine what a Space Marine is to a Guardsman. Hopefully not OP beast though.

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  4. Man, I have a feeling that for me and some of my friends 30k will be more popular than 40k for us. My wife and pocketbook probably won't like it though.

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  5. The hardest part for me is going to be deciding on which Legion to collect and play. Especially since it may be awhile before we get them all. I'm not so concerned about the various rules for the Legions, more so the models and what I really want to paint up. I've always loved the Emperor's Children (before the Slaneesh mutation stuff) and the Thousand Sons..so probably one of those two, but too many choices really.

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    1. Easy... Play all of them. No tough choices to make that way.

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    2. I'm with you on this. In the 40k universe the decision was easy enough (relatively), but on reading through the heresy novels I find myself drawn to 5-6 different legions.

      Worst part of all, is that because i can't decide which one I "like" best, I'll probably end up deciding based on rules. Problem with that is that due to shipping cost I want to order models and the book in one hit... Tough to do when I don't know my options.

      If my life depended on making a decision though, I think I'd go Alpha Legion and model every unit in the same pose...

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  6. THOUSAND SONS HERE I COME

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  7. I wonder what the other Rites of war do, from what I've heard there's Angels of Wrath, Pride of the Legion and Armoured Spearhead (not that hard to figure out)

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  8. I want to spend all my money on Forge World now, to get this book and a heresy-era World Eaters army. Thanks a lot, Forge World.
    Well, I don't really need a house, do I? Or a car... Or various internal organs... :D

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    1. Some colleges pay good money for testicles...just saying.

      Hear they give you a free prosthetic too lol

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  9. Its all looking good. I like how most major chapters can be somewhat represented even by the few rules covered here.

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  10. Just had a thought.. What happens if this becomes more popular than 40k? Its looking pretty good so far. GW prices are falling more in line with FW (especially the books), The models are just as nice (nicer in most respects IMO) and it has the Primarchs, possibly the most talked about characters in 40k.

    Its going to certainly shake things up a bit as opposed to FW models not even being allowed in most games less than a year ago.

    Fair play to FW. They deserve it!

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    1. Nothing. GW is the bigger kid. FW is just the kid with some flashy toys but is still on GW main's leash. Which they were GW product lines sold in store.

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    2. I don't think it will supplant 40k simply due to easy of acquisition.

      I can see 30k armies facing off with 40k though. Even if it's not balanced, i'm sure some European country will come up with rules to try and balance things out.

      I for one welcome our new FW overlords.

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    3. Whats wrong with using HH terminators as terminators? I wouldnt mind. Maybe not all the preheresy vehicles but with friends id let them.

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    4. The main problem is that FW is harder to get hold of. If their products were readily available in GW stores, their sales may well surpass GW's for certain armies (Chaos, Marines, various obscure variants).
      I want to fight a game with 30k marines vs 40k marines, just to see the outcome. Theoretically, from a background point of view, the 30k marines should win, having superior technology, although the sheer OP of some of the 40k Special Characters might swing the battle in their favour.

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  11. Heresy era Salamanders or Heresy era Thousand Sons?

    I CAN'T DECIDE.

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    1. Thousand sons. Story behind them far out trumps Salamanders especially during the heresy itself.

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    2. I would say look at how you like to play and see which of the two coincides with that

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    3. Assuming they proceed chronologically, which would make the most sense... Salamanders are all but guaranteed to be in book#2 (dropsite massacre) - Thousand sons won't be featured until later in the series (fall of prospero).

      Does the duration of the wait for your legion specific rules affect your decision?

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  12. I'll let anyone play with any models they want when it's a friendly game. It's awesome.

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  13. Man! My wallet is going to be hurting!
    Loyalist World Eaters..Traitor Emp's Children..Luna Wolves..and eventually Imp Fists...
    At least i have a while to save up before the Fists show up!

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