A follow up from the previous Dark Angel rumor set, we have a slight correction on his rumor release date. Otherwise these are some questions that were answered by Stickmonkey regarding Dark Angels.


Please remember that these are rumors

via Stickmonkey over at Warseer
I just heard a rumor that there is a AA option for DA dreads...one that will likely make it to all chapters eventually.

Codex release at the end of November pre-orders and a release in December

So PA command squad could get a single heavy weapon, apoth, standard, etc. A TA squad the same, but that the RW command squad was 3 bikes and a attack bike w hvy weapon, or 5 bikes, but not a LS. The history here does not point to GW breaking the concept that a RW full squad is still 10 man strong, 6 bikes, a AB, and a LS.

DA version of Vanguard?
Most like. But they have some form of hunters from hyperspace type rule in addition. And they might have some new DA special weapons...dark claws or dark swords, you know, to egg on the stereotypes..

Deathwing Terminators
SB, PS, LC, TH, SS, AC, AssC, PC, HF, CML, CF, PA, and PF are all the options I've heard rumored. Default is standard SB PF, Sgt w SB PS. Of note, AC and the PASS combo both are new info that's been whispered to me.

Plasma Predator

Heard a deviant rumor that they have meltagun sponsons as an option too...
So PC, AC, LasC w HB, HF, MG sponsons. Supposed to be a new kit with BA Pred style sponsons and DA icons included.

Dreadnoughts
Sounds like the HVY slot dread is the standard, and the specialist DA dread is Elite. and either can be upgraded to ven...for what that's worth now.

64 Comments:

  1. Wow, DA will be a White Dwarf codex?

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    1. I think you misunderstand what he said. They will be previewed in the WD that is released at the end of November, and then be for sale in December.

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    2. No! it's just to announce the new codex and snippets of the new rules like Chaos.

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  2. Good to see some form of dark angels rumours already!

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  3. I don't like that... That means no fluff, no hard back book, etc. I don't imagine that one is true - maybe just a timing issue with the release (Nov WD will show DA book, releases, etc).

    I suppose I could get used to a new Assault after Deep Strike unit, though I would much rather have that ability with the Termis.

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    1. DA will get normal book codex bro.

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    2. I altered the rumor above so that there was no misconceptions about it.

      Full codex release, not a white dwarf

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    3. Thanks, I did get that confused.

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  4. Damnit space marines, let us at least keep the anti-air dreadnought!

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  5. The more and more I read this.... the more i sense Ward. Copying the Hunters from hyperspace is a big flag to me.

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    1. Is Ward a problem? (not been around GW stuff for a number of years and only recently got back into it)

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    2. No. Not to me. It had just been rumored he mite be gettimg them. And there are some similarities between these rumors and his books.

      But some might tell you different....

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    3. Just take a look at what he did to the gk codex, Ward is an abomination when it comes to fluff

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    4. He has a rep for writing overpowered dexs and stealing special rules from other books and making them more powerfull

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    5. He has been a problem. Mostly with fluff. He makes rules that are generally fun to play with but but rather overpowered.
      Hes just got a long and fabled history with taking existing fluff and replacing it with his own. As your seeing with the DA new affinity for plasma weapons for no reason any of us can put our finger on yet.

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    6. Dark Angels have always been well equipped with Plasma. The reason being they were 1st legion and got all the new toys before any one else.

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    7. I like Ward codex's. Both my Blood Angels and Grey Knights are fun to play (I do pure Gk mostly PA units). I think he would do a good job with Dark Angels.

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    8. I personally don't think Ward writes over-powered codexes. I play dark angels and I've had no problem beating both grey knights and blood angels. only necrons have given me a problem but I don't get many opportunities to play against them. And with the exception of Necrons, his fluff isn't usually out of left field. The internet has a habit of taking something they don't like and blowing it out of proportion.

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    9. Much as I hate to join in with mass-flaming, Mat Ward IS a problem. His fluff is abominable (sorry, so Kaldor Draigo can beat a Daemon Primarch AND subdue him long enough to carve a name in his heart?), and he does write some really stupid stuff. If he can, he writes as a fanboy who doesn't want to see his armies lose.

      Also, the SM codex is basically Codex: Ultramarines. He is the spiritual liege, and where he treads, codexes become broken.

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    10. In Codex: BA the Blood Angels are fighting with Necrons for possession of a planet when a Tyranid splinter fleet shows up. The BA and Necrons team up to defeat the Tyranids and then the BA just leave because they are reluctant to fight against those who were so recently allies.

      That is what's wrong with Matt Ward.

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    11. But that doesnt accou.t for the ENTIRE necron race. Just the Silent King who hates the nids the most.

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    12. Yeah, thats the Silent King who is relatively sane and I don't think it's THAT bad, just odd.

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    13. The Silent King who soaks up much of the Necron fluff...but then didn't get a rules set of his own for whatever reason.

      I don't have a problem with Draigo beating a Demon Prince/ex-Primarch. For one, Demon Princes have to give up much of what they once were in exchange for what SEEMS like power in the form of demonhood, but it's really just a form of slavery. Strength for martial discipline, bravery for self-servitude, focus for a tentacle, etc.

      That, and given how Draigo is specialized and armed to deal specifically with demons all means I have no problem with it. Demon ex-Primarchs are, and should be, less powerful than they were as the sons of the Emperor. It's the whole Jedi vs. Sith thing. One is a quick path to cool power, but the Jedi always wins in the end.

      It's not that Draigo beat a DP that bothers me, it's just the way Ward writes about it. He made it sound like Draigo, not the Emperor, is the one REALLY in charge of humanity.

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    14. I would say Ward *used* to be bad. The fluff in Codex: Space Marines was laughable at times and is the worst of the lot. He's shown steady improvement in each book since so I've lost any animosity I used to have.
      Nothing wrong with the rules, mind you those are all reviewed by the rest of the games dev. staff before hitting the printers.

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    15. the GK codex read like bad fanfiction, but I think giveing him heck for the Necrons may be a mite bit too harsh, I can't see that kind of total re-write occuring without imput from higher ups. and before their new codex, necros where kind of.. personalityless.

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    16. Anon, the silent king was kind of like the Primarchs in a space marine codex. While he is a very important character in the fluff he isn't an actual in game character.

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    17. Ecerytime i hear necrons are OP or cheesy i take this as a complimemt. Our army is so viable it can breaks such bounds. To me that redeems Ward in my eyes took a codex thar had very little and turmed it to a very fun but brutal army
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  6. So am I right in thinking the Terminator weapons list specifically allows Power Axes and Swords but not Maces(or spears)? A bit disappointing IMO, especially since the Axe is inherently inferior to a fist/thunder hammer, albeit it might be cheaper somehow.

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  7. All of this sounds awesome, but did the post have to be an alphabet soup of acronyms? The deathwing section was actually pretty hard to read in one go, and I still am not quite sure what PASS meant. The only thing I could think of was Power Armor storm shield, but that makes no sense talkiny about Deathwing options. Unless that is to mean Company Vets can still take storm shields.

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    1. Agreed. A little hard to decipher.

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    2. Yeah, typically when you use acronyms you use the whole word once unless its a WIDELY accepted acronym, which those are not.

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    3. I thiiiink it's power axe.

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    4. power axe makes sense, i had plasma assault... i think power axe is correct

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    5. Power armour...

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    6. Why would Deathwing have power armour?...

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  8. PASS? is that Power Axe Storm Shield?

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  9. It would be nice to hear some corroborating rumors from a different source.

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  10. It tend to find Stickmonkey... Not so reliable. His track records is unconvincing, I' tacking this with quite an unhealthy dose of salt.

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  11. Had an email this morning from blood of kittens disagreeing with stick monkey's Nov release saying it has been moved to Jan/Feb 2013. Also stated stick monkey has amended his rumours to this date, but haven't checked warseer

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    1. Meant I haven't checked warseer

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    2. 2013??? That would be more than disapointing!!!
      I mean by this release rate they could easily say "And after the DA codex in Jan 2013 you will see the next one not far behind in June 2014!" Sometimes I think GW is just a bunch of lazy people debating that Duke Nukem Forever was released to early!

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    3. LOL duke Nukem reference FTW!!

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    4. So Jan/Feb '13 means Tau/Eldar get the end '12 slot? Or has this move been made for more Hobbit-related stuff?

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  12. I don't think there were enough Acronyms in this...

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  13. Damn I understood those acronyms. I'm a geek. Damn. However, having two codex releases within 2-3 month are really nice!

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  14. Power axes look good to me and fit in with early/old fluff. Bring back the plainsmen Deathwing! Feathers and axes all the way :)

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    1. I sound really negative tonight so apologies but I honest to god wish the whole plainsmen stuff would just die out.

      On topic though, it's nice to see DW aren't losing their versatility, they're like those rich kid ternibators who get to play with everything.

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    2. Terminator? Sorry I meant terminators

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    3. Damn you fat thumbs! I give up!

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  15. Personally I don't care who writes it as it sounds good to press, although just to throw a name in the mix wasn't Jeremy vetock meant to have written something. One issue I have with a Da codex is that it looks as though were getting another test bed for the SM codex again & In relation to release I hope it is this year a) because a single dex is poor, b) if not it means next year will either be compacted and rushed and for once I'd like my crazy space knight/monks to be able to kill some squishy xenos.

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    1. That's what I also fear: The Dark Angels will end as guinea pigs for the next wave of Space Marine codices...
      This wouldn't be the first time. But let's wait and see and hope for the best.
      Else I'm really looking forward to it and hope it will be released this year, which would make sense IMO.

      Cheers,
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  16. LOL YOLO LMFAO

    ETC

    ETC

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  17. The power axe had better be much cheaper than the thunder hammer to be worth it. Crap, they might make hammers way more expensive instead. The idea of autocannons though makes me happy. I have 2 with attached drums from two IG Sentinels I bought to kitbash my orks.

    I'm just not thrilled with the prospect of cutting up my painted models. :(

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    1. taking a wild guess based on how I'd do it, you'd be able to get power axe/storm sheild termies at say 26 points a pop, and then be able to upgrade to thunderhammers/stormsheilds at 30 points a pop. that's pure guess work but over all I do suspect the result is gonna be axes are the new standard, with thunderhammers working out to their old cost.

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  18. Here is a point if the codex is released start of December it will be round the same time as the ravenwing novel. Which was move forward from January.

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    2. That is a good point. Also, I can't believe they wouldn't want the DA stuff to be available before the holidays so all the kids who got DV will get some green love under the tree. For me, the thing I am looking forward to is being able to take a RavenWing without having to bring along an SC.

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  19. I am not sure if we can hope for another Codex this year. It will depend on when GW releases stuff for LotR, concerning the new Hobbit-movie hitting the cinemas in december.

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  20. Ward or not who cares. Finally a new codex for my boys in bath robes! Hell, I'd even take it if Mark Wells was writing the damn thing at this point 0_o

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  21. This seems wrong to me, Hobbit is out 14th December, they will want models to go on launch, so the window is pretty tight - would guess 3rd week November, with preview end of oct

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  22. Enough with the ward hate already, in sooo sick if you crying "but the fluf".
    Do you want to play the same game forever, I think his take on the armies he's done is a breath of fresh air.
    Codexes from last edition were BORING.

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  23. Enough with the ward hate already, in sooo sick if you crying "but the fluf".
    Do you want to play the same game forever, I think his take on the armies he's done is a breath of fresh air.
    Codexes from last edition were BORING.

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  24. Wow, must be a new world record in abbreviations, more or less unreadable article for me.

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