This morning we have some information regarding prices, psychic powers, possessed vehicles and more. Not to mention we have some great pictures from the upcoming White Dwarf. The above picture just might be the cover art, and I am looking for confirmation whether it is or not.

Updated with more pics at the bottom with the Aspiring Champion model




A huge thanks goes out to Bramgaunt for both the pics and info. Great job.

via Bramgaunt over on Warseer
Neither a new Abbadon nor a new kharne -for now-
The close combat obliterators (mutilators) are a finecast kit
There is a new finecast sorcerer (unimpressive) an a Dark Apostle (beyond awesome)
From the ForgeWorld News: There is a picture of Angron. The miniature.

BramGaunt on Warseer has mentioned that the codex cover is the same used on the Black Library book, "Blood Gorgons".

Dark Apostle, sorcerer, aspiring champion (new finecast): 15,50€
Warpsmith: 23€
Codex: 39€
Raptors/warp talons: 26€ (same as sanguinary guard)
Heldrake: 59€
Forgefiend/clawfiend: 52€
Mutilators: 41€ (3 finecast)

Obliterators and everything else thats metal goes finecast, that includes Death Guard and Thousand Sons.
the Codex cover artwork is the one that was already used by the BL "Blood Gorgons" Novel.

There are only 4 psychic powers per God, sadly.
If you upgrade your Demon prince to a specific god he gains hatred for the opposed chaos god

A posessed vehicle ignores stinned an shaken on 2+, but if a unit embarks you have to roll a D6 : on a roll of 1 you lose a random member if the squad and the vehicle regains 1hp
Obliterators can morph assault cannons

there a helldrake circling some Dark Angels on page 11. Angron is feature in all his glory on page 88-89















185 Comments:

  1. Good to see some pricings up!

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  2. I don't want on freaking Thousand Sons as Finecast.

    Finecast sucks for "troops" as it becomes INCREDIBLE boring to play with.
    We need more of the cool plastic HQs and more plastic kits!

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    1. Again stop moaning , we are getting an update and just be happy and not a moaning person.

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    2. Thousand Sons aren't going to be Troops anymore. Cool your boosters there jet.

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    3. Knight of Infinite ResignationSeptember 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM

      yes plastic troops are greatly overdue. Lets hope there is another wave, I'm really not impressed by any of this and won't be buying anything except the codex (which I will do so grudgingly at £30!). GW are sailing close to the wind with me, came back to the hobby last year but fed up with being gauged and with the childishness of the retconned fluff.

      May have to stick to Saga and Mantic products.

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    4. Saga and Mantic? LOL...

      Anyway, this is only wave 1, people. Chaos will have another wave inside of a month from the initial launch.

      The reason for the metal-to-finecast port on some products is because, 1. they no longer have the metal to make them; and 2. GW wanted every entry in the codex to have a 3D representation to avoid another ChapterHouse fiasco. It's not a permanent stay for those figures, but Chaos is also too big to release everything at once.

      They will get more plastic love.

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    5. Knight of Infinite ResignationSeptember 19, 2012 at 2:10 PM

      Don't mock, Saga is a fantastic game and I have an interest in Dark Age history as I work in a reconstructed Dark Age village. Plus Gripping Beasts plastic vikings and saxons are really good, and a whole army costs under £30.

      Mantic also make some great games, Dwarf Kings Hold is fantastic, great balance between simplicity and tactical depth. Haven't played Pandora yet but expect it to be good. Not sold on Warpath yet though.

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    6. CSM will be OP for like 3 months untill first normal people codex comes out :D

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    1. I can't stop looking at the Raptors, I love them.

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    2. I have never hoped harder in my life for a unit to be as good on the tabletop as it looks. It would be a tragedy for them to collect dust on my shelf.

      I've been trying for years to run a raptor-centric Night Lords list and I have never been able to pull it off without using the Blood angels codex instead.

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    3. Night Lords were the first army to catch my eye, and I've been wanting to do them justice for a while. I agree that BA is currently the only way to do it right (according to my vision, anyway). Here's hoping in the CSM Dex!

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    4. Midnight, I've actually had great success with my raptors every single time I've used them. Especially with an icon for a quick teleport homer for termies/oblits & a mark (Nurgle has worked well for "bionic enhancements" lol). I'm looking forward to the new codex with bated breath. It's something I'll have to read through thoroughly before deciding whether my Iron Warriors will finally become permanent shelf sitters.

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  4. Nice, but dissapointes Oblits don't appear to have a new model

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    1. I'm not too keen on those Maulers, I like the current sculpts better.

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    2. They look like they have down syndrome

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    3. hopefully the oblits will at least be fine casted. metal is of the devil

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    4. I had no problem assembling metal Obliterators, just takes good glue and patience. And telling people to not fucking touch them.

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    5. Good Glue, Patience of a Saint, and Pinning not to mention void shield to stop bit falling off once complete.

      I assembled six...never again. I guess their rules were a reward for actually having the patience to assemble them.

      The only thing that was more annoying to put together for me, was a metal Hellcannon -.-

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    6. I use the original Oblitz with some modification to make them bulkier. If I make more, I'm going to make them out of the plastic terminator kits. those metal designs do not engender love from me at all.

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  5. Isn't that the 'Red Angel' aka Angron, the one that ghost21 was demonized over? I think it's strange that some of the stuff he dropped rumors on is coming out...

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    1. The "Red Angel" was a daemonhost made out of a capture Blood Angel, an obscure Horus Heresy character.

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    2. Well, ghost21 might have been wrong quite a lot of times, but there was always more to his rumors than met the eye... he misinterpreted things, perhaps, but I do think he did have some "real" sources inside GW...

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    3. There's actually two characters claiming the title, Angron and the poor Blood Angel. Angron had the name first.

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    5. Its not strange. Navigation through the rumor mill is very difficult. Early information changes, some stays, a lot changes.

      Our community eats up rumor sources very quickly at the slightest missteps.

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    6. I also believe the Demon host offered Angron out for the rights to the name...

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    1. Meh... I've always swapped out the heads on my oblits. These just need it more than the old ones. The bodies aren't any better or worse. Kind of a wash really. At least they will be lighter than the current metal models.

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  7. $110 Australian for THREE mutilators, uh, no thanks!
    $41 each (presumably) for Dark Apostle, Sorcerer and Aspiring Champion. $62 for Warpsmith, almost $100 for the codex, around $70 for Warp Talons/Raptors...
    Prices based on current UK prices against AUS prices is noooot looking good one bit. Let's hope the price rise that didn't effect AUS prices has something to do with this.

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    1. Wow and I thought the US prices were bad!!!!

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    2. Yeeeeeeeeeep... I would do dirty, dirty things to have US pricing! We typically pay about double you guys.

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    3. You do realise that the currency used in the post is euro right?
      this means that the codex would be around 50 AUD...

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    4. if i were you i would move.......thats just me though i'm kind of weird like that

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    5. It helps if you use the right conversion rate mate. Although it does make your over reaction more hilarious.

      So, when you compare the prices to the EURO... The Codex is about 3 Euro more than the current WHFB books. So were probably looking at about 76 AUD or so after appropriate comparison. Warp Talons are even stated to be the same cost as Sang Guard. Now my GW carries those for $55. If you're paying 70 bucks.. you're getting ripped hard. And Mutilators will cost about the same as A Warshpinx for Tomb Kings.

      So it's not nearly as bad as you made out. Still a bit rich, but hey, it's GW in Australia. This should not surprise you the way it did. And if it is too expensive, buy through an independent stockist for a discount. Or stop playing the game. Or go play that inferior system Warmachine and I'll wait for you to come back.

      GW Games are not priced for those who want to have every army anymore. Those days of the 90's are long gone. If you're smart about your purchases, and plan instead of "OH I MUST HAVE THE SHINEY!!!" This hobby is still very affordable. People just need to adjust.

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    6. I used to, to save money, send mum in to buy the codex, photocopy every page then get her to return it saying "turns out he plays the other one, with the ponies" works every time lol. Haven't had to that forever tho

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    7. "This hobby is still very affordable. People just need to adjust."

      Yea, sell a kidney, or your children into slavery, start robbing people in the dark of the night, maybe sell drugs, or scam people out of their retirement money - you'll suddenly find GWS pricing is EXTREMELY reasonable when you don't actually work for your money.

      Also troops are priced normally at $55 a box (of five), non-troop boxes with almost identical contents are more ($62ish and up).
      At over $250 for 20 troop models and a HQ I don't see any truth in your statement.

      Especially in comparison to prices in the UK and US. But then I guess the massive fall in Australian and NZ sales would point to the fact that it just isn't affordable.

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    8. If people just need to adjust then how is that affordable? Seems a contradiction in terms. If it was affordable there would be no need to adjust.

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  8. Ghost was talking about the other Red Angel (there is another Red Angel, strange as it is).

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    1. I think that's what people assumed he talked about if I recall he said he saw a model that looked like a 'Red Angel'...very much like Angron there. I'm kinda curious now.

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    2. Hah, true enough!

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    3. No, he very much meant the possessed Blood Angel. He got into an argument with Aaron Dembski-Bowden over it, and there's no way in hell he actually meant Angron

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  9. Oh my... I think my eyes just melted.
    I didn't realize the forgefiend was so freaking HUGE.

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  10. Cover looks HH. But its nice to see since DE model quality is still just awesome.

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  11. I don't think the top picture is te cover of the dex. Check the black library site. That's the cover art for the book Blood Gorgons.

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    1. yes it is, but read above. Bramgaunt has said that the codex cover art is the same as the artwork on the book "Blood Gorgans".

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    2. Sad. Hoping for some cool NEW art.

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    3. DOH... Skimmed past that part.

      Well I will say that the Blood Gorgons do embody the new "Warped" Image that GW is pushing on CSM. Also I don't think the book sold too well. So the art is still new to most people. Pretty good book though.

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    5. It seems VERY VERY odd that a new codex wouldn't have a new artwork for the cover.

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  12. aren't all the other new flyers (SM and Orc) much more reasonably priced?

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    1. Yes i can maybe get 2 nightscythes for that dragon.

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    2. But that dragon can also kill both those nightscythes with ease and even possibly in the same turn.

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    3. Knight of Infinite ResignationSeptember 19, 2012 at 8:58 AM

      I can't afford £50 for a single flier. Wouldn't look right with my army anyway. TBH none of this stuff would, maybe the raptors, but I'm not throwing out my whole collection to buy new stuff so it matches, and won't be buying anything new that looks so odd.

      I bet a lot of established players will feel like that. Lets hope they don't change too many options in the codex and outlaw lots of old models as they did in the last codex. If there are things I've spent money and time on that I can no longer use then it might push me into quitting.

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    4. Then quit, or just quit yer bitching!

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  13. BOO basic marines are not changing except the Champ Sprue, unless its kit bashed from the chosen. Is that Chosen (not DV) next to the Warpsmith?

    OK i am sold on the Raptor/Warp Talons box after seeing the raptr pics, i can't wait to get rid of my old metal ones.

    I am not sure if i am sold on the dark apostle, i want to like it but the giant chaos star above his head is not doing it for me.
    Maulers look way too much like Oblits, it definatly should have been a dual palstic kit.

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    1. The chosen are definitely from DV!

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    2. The model leading the regular marines looks like the aforementioned new sorcerer lord. Very dissatisfied with the maulers. I never liked the oblit models to begin with, and these are exactly the same, just with knife blob arms. Everything else looks amazing! Very concerned with the price list. The flyer will cost more than the already overpriced landraider? Really! ?!

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    3. Sumo, I'll take yer old metal Raptors off your hands! Those are the models that got me into the game in the first place, and playing Night Lords. Very much looking forward to building a viable NL list...

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    4. Sorry, that should read "Syko", not Sumo. Damn iPad... :-(

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  14. the Forgefiend looks like a mini-titan. I am starting to really dig it.

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    1. Indeed, it looks like the spot from last update on the ---fiends was correct and they are standing on the large oval bases, and thus massive. Also clear that they'll get multiple weapons/head choices, very impressive.

      I wonder if the Warpsmith will have the same boon as the Ork Big Mek and allow a single [Deff Dread equivalent] choice to be selected as Troops; that would add some serious 'oomph' to an Iron Warriors army!

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    2. I personally wasn't keen on the Forgefiend, but then I saw the other head option. No I like it :)

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    3. Forge mauler is still off mu interest list, but the Forge Field looks a hell of alot like the Armour Cast warhound titan. Which makes me LuLz. So I may end up picking up one for my Khorne Forces.

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  15. Here is my review of what we have here:

    Potential Coverart: Hell yes!

    Angron: I love it! Looks a right mental b*****d!

    Forgefiend: Looks like something from twenty years ago. Really disappointed, especially after the awesomeness that was the Hellbrute.

    Dark Apostle: Absolutely phenomenal! Was hoping to see a skulled version but ah well, love it none the less!

    Raptors/Warp Talons: Torn on these. The basic part of the models is great although I was really hoping for a return of the previous style Raptor jump packs. The way they curved over the top of the shoulder was great. Still, i'm sure in time these'll grow on me.

    Sorceror(I assume it is the one with the Chaos Marines): Pretty cool although i'd have expected a bit more 'Chaos' to be honest.

    Chosen: Best models I have seen in a long time

    Warpsmith: Great model.

    Helldrake: My worst fears are realised. After yesterdays reveal I was praying that it'd have a nice long tail but sadly it looks like it's stunty. If i'm going to run a Helldrake or two i'll definitely be using the Warpfire Dragon from Warhammer Forge.

    Mutilators: Everything looked good right up until you see their faces.



    Overall: After the insane quality of Dark Vengeance I really am disappointed with the overall models shown above. A few are truely great where as others look like GW have taken a few thousand steps backwards.

    I was hoping for quality along the lines of the Chosen so that all the additions I make match the high quality of my Forgeworld Berserkers.

    Still, the few good models are some of the best GW have done.

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    1. Maybe the tail could be extended with the Vampire Count Zombie Dragon one? They're both bony.
      You can hide the faces of the Mutilators with Warriors of Chaos helmets maybe?

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    2. Both good suggestions.

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  16. I was really wanting a chosen kit, but hopefully the next release will have those. Also, those raptors are amazing! So excited!

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    1. yeah a chosen kit would be nice, starter sets would get kind of expensive. and really chosen are all about insane amounts of customization too

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  17. Angron looks so awesome. I weep for my bank account.

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    1. Is that actually a model, or just artwork? I can't quite figure it out.

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  18. So where r the cultists? Are they gonna wait till DV dies down so they can sell them individually?

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    1. I expect at least two waves of models in October. So lots of time to see another great round of releases.

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  19. lets see...the first three characters clock in @ about $20, $75 for the goofy looking dragon, $65ish for the equally odd fiends, $55ish for CC oblits? & the Warpsmith (about the only new sculpt that I like) for $30?

    Yeah....no thanks. I'll just take my new codex please.

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  20. Thanks for supplying the second round of pictures.

    Angron looks great. The Forgefiend still looks out of place. Like it belongs in another line of minatures. I'm sure someone will find a way to make a wicked conversion of it. I love the Dark Apostle's armour, but the Impurity Seals and Dark Crozius look too clunky. I'm sure someone will also make an interesting conversion of him. I absolutely love the Raptors and Warp Talons. Fantastic! The Sorceror is good. The Dark Techmarine is a little too busy, but I like it. (Doc Ock conversion, anyone?) Great to see more photos of the dragon. And the Maulers look uninspriring. If it's possible, the faces look worse than the Obliterators from 10 years ago. They would also have benefited from a different pose other than the "constipated, squatting over the toilet" look.

    I'm still looking forward to this release :)

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    1. I was thinking of just using the Chosen with the Power Maul from the DV box as a Dark Apostle.

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  21. So it appears that the heldrake does have multiple loadouts. Also where's my chosen and cultist kits?

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  22. Dark Apostle is super awesome cool.
    Raptors are awesome cool.
    Warp Talons cool.
    Sorceror is cool, though it could have been better.

    I'm VERY unhappy! Why does Games Workshop want me to buy Chaos?

    WHY!?

    Even the finecast, and rubbish, Mutilators haven't put me off. Just terrible! (no pun intended).

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  23. Picture of the Aspiring Champion is up

    http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?351699-Chaos-rumours-from-Faeit-212/page42

    Many thanks to BramGaunt.

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    1. Cool to lead a squad or two, and plastic. But a tad disappointed.

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  24. Just wow... chaos, here I come!

    Though I am happy I managed to buy a box of metal Thousand Sons "just in time"...

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  25. Hmmm not pleased about a few things here. No special character releases or re sculpts? This god damn AWFUL standard cmarines they look bloody awful! I'll be using dark angels and some green stuff for flesh banners instead. Angron seem about 2/3 the size I was expecting nd half as detailed.

    With only these in WD does it mean the second wave would drop on Halloween? The dates would fit.....

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    1. makes sense, and really if I was GW I'd be more intrested in getting the NEW stuff in the first wave before releaseing a second wave of resculpts.

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  26. The hellbrute with its miniguns is now growing on me, I also love the raptors, they look loads better than the warpguys. However not impressed at all by the combat oblits and that the normal oblits are just going to finecast. There should have been a new model in a box of 3 that does both units, in plastic.

    Also sad about those prices, necrons and the new fliers were nice and cheap, but here we are again with £40+ fliers, its like the storm raven all over again.

    The guy leaning back with the scrolls is awful, utterly awful, however the guy who looks like a socr or perhaps the new priest is fantastic.

    Bit disapointed theres no pack of cultists, whats that all about, oh wait, I know, wanted to milk the vengeance set some more. Got it.

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  27. I am no Chaos player, but i really like the models. All except for the Dragon thing. I think they should have given them a fighter/bomber (Similar to the forge world ones). Also i think those Big monsters will look awesome when painted right.. They look very basic 'Shining gold' washed with 'Devlan mud'. The Black and Blue jetpack units are simply Beautiful!

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    1. Oh and, are the prices really right??? 3 finecast 'Mutilators' for 41€? That doesn't seem right.

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  28. Amazing. Can't wait

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  29. dragon looks smaller than the ork jet....why is it so expensive? At this point why not just by the DE jet and change out the pilot+guns? you'd save oh 25 dollars and get a better looking plane

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    1. GW priceing has never been about "cost to make" and has always had a corrasponding price to it's points value. the dakka jet costs 120 points with full options. the dragon apparently costs 170ish

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  30. I am excited by the new direction that the models seem to be taking and I think they look quite good! Just glad that the comments in this blog aren't as bad as the ones in BOLS....wow some real hate over there for these minis...

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    1. There's hate for nearly everything over there. I wonder why most of the people that comment on that site don't just give the hobby up if they feel the way they make out they do about it.

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    2. I predict GW's policy of hyping a release through secrecy and rumours will blow up in its face. This codex was expected for a good half year and people were chomping at the bit. There's bound to be a backlash when the release doesn't match people's inflated expectations.

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    3. There's a difference between hate and disappointment. A lot of people on BOLS are reacting to the new minis, and there is a range of negative feedback that includes everything from mild disappointment to outright disgust.

      Something important to remember is there are a lot of experienced gamers around who have been through multiple editions of the Codex, and possess large cultural references outside of 40k. People are seeing things in the new models which they do not find pleasing.

      It's important to distinguish this from outright hate. The worst thing for GW (and people looking for other gamers) is to have long time players actually get ticked off and leave the game. I don't think that's what is going to happen, but I do think the new models are unsuitable in some ways.

      I have some perspective on this which is I summarized here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=242370&view=findpost&p=3179052.

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    4. Knight of Infinite ResignationSeptember 19, 2012 at 9:04 AM

      excellent points AnonymousSeptember 19, 2012 8:39 AM.

      I was ticked before this release to be honest! waiting for my codex (I only play Chaos) to improve has kept me around, but if its a dissapointment I'll be off.

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    5. This is not a "NEW" direction. This is a revamp of original Micheal Moorecock chaos mutates idea that GW used on the first traitor legionares. It is sadly out of place with current csm.

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  31. I just realised something, plastic meltaguuuuuuun!

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  32. I think those Mutilators or whatever they're called might be in need of a head swap but I'll wait til I see them properly to make a real judgement. It's weird that there's only 1 Dark Apostle model if they can come in 3s, I hope they release more because it would be a bummer for all your squads to be led by the exact same model. Great stuff overall though, can't wait to see the Codex and the next wave of models!

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  33. The new sculpts almost seem like they were designed and sculpted by two entirely different teams of people. The Chosen, the Aspiring Champion, the Hellbrute and the Raptors are spot-on, visually they're exactly what we all know and love about Chaos. It's clear they were designed and sculpted by people who really "get it". On the other hand, the Daemon Engines are just...wrong. They don't really have much of either Daemon or Engine about them, they look more like they belong in Warhammer fantasy rather than 40k, and they don't really "feel" like Chaos (compare them to the Forge World Daemon Engines, which really do justice to the concept, and you'll see exactly what I mean). It's really strange, the two halves just don't "mesh" visually.

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  34. 50 dollars for the codex! Aww come on

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  35. The mutilators were my favourite rumoured model... Now I'm going to buy some ogryn berserkers from FW and stick some guns on them. That way, I can run them as Obliterators or mutilators, making up for that disappointment.
    And when I say disappointment, I mean that not making it a dual plastic kit was one of the worst business decisions I've seen them make.
    Ignoring that, however, I want Angron and the new codex!

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  36. New daemon engines look like power ranger zords from my childhood...

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    2. Doesn't make it any less true though, they do look like Power Ranger toys.

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    3. Probably sculpted by someone young enough to play with power rangers.

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  37. Raptors/warp talons: 26€ (same as sanguinary guard)
    Sang Guard is $33 US, doing that math (ty calculator) that puts the new prices at apox:
    Codex $49.50
    Warpsmith $29.19
    Helldrake $74.88 (aka Stormraven cost)
    Forgefiend/clawfiend $66
    Maulers $52.04

    This is just doing the math off of the verified price, most are going to be a little off but all look really close tothe current price scale.

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  38. Not impressed with the Mutilator models, and I think the Daemon Siege Engines could look better. Otherwise, it all looks amazing.

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  39. Wait a minute, that's probably about £27.50-£30 for the codex! What the f***, Games Workshop? When I first looked at it, I thought the prices were in dollars, it was so high!

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    1. Think of Australia! There prices are stupidly high!

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  40. I personally like the Daemon Engines - at least they look better to me than the crappy standard Defiler or Soul Grinder. That fiend on the topmost image fits pretty nicely with the 2nd ed Juggernauts which I still like a lot. Could have been a bit more grotesque like the FW material, I suppose. But I can live with that.

    Those CC oblits - they are okay, I guess. I'm not too fond of the standard ones, either.

    Final verdict on the dragon is still out.

    The Raptors look *really* nice - having seen the Warp Talons first I thought I might be able to skip buying those. But now...

    And what's with the first of the Chosen displayed? IIRC that one wasn't part of the DV set, was it? Will there be a set of those, too? Or is that an Aspiring Champion of some kind?

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  41. Are the prices in the correct currency?! Maybe usd rather than eur?
    I remember buying the da code in 2008 and thinking it was a bit steep at £12. Wow talk about hyper inflation!

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  42. And there I was hoping for a shooty/cc dual plastic obliterator kit...
    I just hope they are either redone in a 2nd wave or suck in the new codex. Why? Because the current obliterators look like ass and simply don't fit into the current line anymore.
    I'll get the Dark Apostle too, simply because I play Word Bearers, but the kit looks like some conversion from the chaos vehicle sprue :|
    Also I don't get why its not in a WB color scheme.

    So probably 1 drake, 2 forgefiends, 1-2 warptalons + Apostle for me. Thank god I only have to pay 50% GW price lol.

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    1. I think the reason it's not in a WB colour scheme is because Dark Apostles and Warpsmiths are going to be retconned so that every legion has them. These Dark Apostles are like the acolytes to the Word Bearer HQ style ones. Plus they renamed Warsmith to Warpsmith, probably to eliminate any comparisons to an IW specific one.

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  43. Well, I know what I'm going to be buying for my Night Lords list. Lots of lovely lovely Raptors and Warp Talons.

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  44. Good news: 1)Phil Kelly did our new codex. 2) I'll same some money for FW Heresy stuff.
    Bad news: I'm totally disappoint by Mutilators, siege engines, drake and what I've been expecting for 3 years - RAPTORS. What a trash.
    Warpsmith, Dark Apostle, Aspiring Champ are excellent and look how they should. Definitely will buy them.

    P.S. There is a new teaser on GW site. Guess what's it about.

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    1. Teletubbies? They are far more scary and sinister than this.

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  45. I am a bit disappointed with the new models shown today. The Assault Obliterators are really ugly (come on, the old shooty ones look better than that) and the new Raptors just don't appeal to me (I liked the look of the old ones). The Sorcerer is okay and the Dark Apostle a bit too cluttered for my taste (but Apostles are easily converted, so I don't mind). Still waiting for more pictures from the Helldrake until I make my conclusion about it (I think the viewing angle really matters with this model). I'm curious about the new Chosen model that definitely isn't from the Dark Vengeance box - is it a new Champion model packed with the standard CSM?

    I still like the daemon engines the most, i.e. the Forgefiend and the Maulerfiend, as well as the Warpsmith. But then again, I have a thing for Iron Warriors ;-)

    Thanks for the picture leak. I am really looking forward to seeing more :-)

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  46. I'm a little torn. I think the design aesthetic for the infantry is PERFECT. Like, exactly the way they should have gone, and pulled off well.
    OTOH, the Daemon Engines--what I was really psyched about--look like monstrous creatures and not, well, Daemon Engines. The organo-tech look works for Marine armor and stuff like the Hellbrute, but having giant monsters walking around with dudes in PA just doesn't work for me. I was hoping we'd get something like corrupted Knight Titans, not the tyranid-esque* things they're showing us. Here's to hoping I'll like it better once I can see the model myself!

    *I love tyranids. I own tyranids. I don't want to see every army have tyranids any more than I want to see every army have marines, however.

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  47. Dear gaming friends, all I want for Christmas Is chaos models, Ty. I want those freaking raprors to go with my night lords primarch. 3 hell talons yes plz.

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  48. Wow!
    When I saw the previous pic of the Forgefiend, I remember thinking "Wow, I just wish it had an option for the Maulerfiend head." And it does! With gatling guns! Definitely on my Xmas list.

    The Dark Apostle is cool, though the Chaos halo/hat/think is a bit large. But I'm happy for Word Bearers players.

    Raptors and Warp Talons really appeal to me. Though I'm surprised I like the Raptors better. They look great!

    Warpsmith: Cooooool

    I'm very happy. I was going to do a Black Legion force with a smattering of Berserkers and Thousand Sons, but I might go pure BL with a Forgefiend and Raptors added in now. The fact I can't decide what looks coolest is encouraging.

    By the way...did anyone notice that little rumor text that said dedicating your Warlord to one god results in Hatred for the opposite god? People who have complained for years about the loss of God rivalries will be very happy if that turns out to be true.

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    1. I'm going to cut Apostle's halo off and use half of it on same model and another half on another.

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  49. This post makes me happy. I'm not only warming to the Helldrake, I'm really starting to like it. It'll be one of those models that, if you get the paining right, will just look fantastic.

    The big daemon engines looks cool too. Just the size of them is fantastic, but I really like the look too.

    CC Oblits are cool, but not really on my wishlist. And I'm alright as far as Raptors go - I think these ones look great but I've got the existing ones looking pretty good now.

    Warpsmith is a cracking build - makes the loyalist techmarine look like a bit of a spanner.

    I'm happy with the other models too. Certainly no disasters in my eyes. Good work GW!

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  50. Holy cow the Forge/Mauler fiends are massive.

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  51. Hey, did everyone see the teaser on Gamesworkshop's website. Says sept 22 for what I'm assuming will be chaos pre-order

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  52. Sorry everyone, but I'm here to give you some bad news. The "new" finecast Maulers, after comparing the picture to the current Obliterators quite extensively, are mostly repackaged Obliterators.
    Everything except the arms and face are from the two current Obliterators, hence no. 1 and no. 3 have the same body. There appears to be two face sculpts, two right arm sculpts, and two (or three, I can't see no. 3's arm) left arms sculpts.
    I have to say, this has really disappointed me. I love everything apart from this, but the mutilators are a huge let down for me. On the upside, the fact that they haven't changed very much from the Obliterators leads me to believe that a dual plastic kit might be in one of the following waves.

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    1. personally i doubt the jam tomorrow idea of a plastic kit in a later wave, GW are all about profit (there a company and to assume otherwise is just plain idiotic) so is it really likely that they would create a resin mould (which costs a hell of allot to design) just to replace it about a month later, that would make literally zero economic sence. This is just postulation but as far as i can see the logic fits, so im pretty sure the current models are the ones were stuck with.

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  53. i saw that as well so ready for the chaos update now neither of my friends can get mad if i beat them cuz there a sixth ed army now theres no excuse. i enjoy chaos but im also ready to see tau and eldar so my other two friends will stop whinning. i want these models they look great and will take me forever to paint.

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  54. Assuming the price in Euros hasn't been marked up, the Forgefiend/Slaughterfiend kit would be about £42. For an extra £3, you can get one of these cheery little fellows from Forge World - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Chaos/DAEMONS_AND__BEASTS/KHORNE-BLOOD-SLAUGHTERER.html - which is around the same size (if not slightly larger) and looks the part a lot more. I sense we'll be seeing quite a few of these used as "counts as" models.

    Actually, now I'm wondering if the design of those Daemon Engines wasn't in fact a devious and subtle plot to increase Forge World sales...

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  55. Love all the pictures, and thanks to BramGaunt and the previous anon picture provider.

    As I'm refurbishing some figures though, I have some questions about rules if anyone knows. Are the unit compositions for the units from previous codices staying the same or at least backwards-compatible? In particular do Plague Marines and Raptors still get two special weapons and Chosen still get four?

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  56. Not too keen on the helldrake. And I preferred the old raptors. After the amazing dv minis. I can't help but think these are all a bit underwhelming and dare I say it. A bit childish? I would've liked to have seen a really dark and twisted reboot. More like some of the old rogue trader minis. I was planning on starting a csm force as a change from my ig, but if the cultist box disappoints like this I don't think I'll be taking the plunge. Where is the cultist box btw? Surely not DV only?

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    1. Skimming the posts I'm seeing an uncommon view of these models: childish.
      My first impression for the forge-beast things indeed was a vague impression of power ranger mechanical monsters, particularly the flyer, which looks a tad like a creature from a Japanese film set. But looking further I'm seeing that bio-warp-mechanic that drew me to play this army exclusively so many years ago.

      I haven't been around since the RT days, but from what I've seen of those era models I'd like to hear why you think those minis were any less childish than this batch. Don't get me wrong, I'm not getting defensive here over models I don't even own. What do you see in this new aesthetic?

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    2. duke you are a giant trolling fag. just gtfo

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    3. I think duke made a good point, I also look at the new minis and enjoy seeing all the tubing/skin work that is going on under the metal plates. I'd like to see some of these particular rogue trader models that people seem so "hyped" on.

      Your comment anon, is very rude and provides nothing constructive to this conversation.

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    4. It's not minis as such, but personally I think no Chaos models have ever really lived up to the pictures and ideas in the Realm of Chaos books (the original Chaos sourcebooks). They suggest something twisted and horrifying that I don't think either the Daemon or Chaos Marine models have ever succeeded at capturing. Mind you, I suppose that's where conversions come in.

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  57. Raptors are lovely dovely, but warp talons are meh but since they are plastic then its not too bad. They are likely just badly (horribly!) posed by gw. CC oblits are disappoint but they can be converted easy enough. Unless helldrake in person looks better than the photograph, it can stay on the shelf!

    Dark Apostle is a little disappointing too but thats just because the image in my mind of Dark Apostle is different! So i might put the big star thing on the back pack on the crozius cause the crozius is way too imperial for me! Gonna use the champion chosen from DV as a Dark Apostle cause i think he looks the part as it is. Just gonna add more paperwork :P

    Sorcerer is fine, Ass champ is nice, daemon engines are good too! The warpsmith is great, i love the doc ock look, I don't think he is too busy, i think the tentacles are super de duper. Might include one despite it not being the most Word Bearer ish thing out there, but there'll be plently Dark Apostles to compensate :P

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  58. What happens if the aesthetic for the new daemon engines was chosen to fit 40k and WFB? Would match the strategy of the Soulgrinder existing in both universes. Would tie in as well to the impending release of 'Warriors of Chaos'.

    The demon engines also feature by name in 'The Long War' by Andy Hoare in Treacheries of the Space Marines. Pretty cool things in fiction. The CC one is described as having Melta arrays in its forelimbs. Rob M

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  59. Very interesting. We really haven't seen such a dramatic shift in the aesthetic of CSM since the evolution of Rogue Trader to the Second Edition codex. Such a major shift is inevitably going to draw a mix of shock, awe, and disappointment.

    I'll be very curious to see what GW does with models devoted to the specific gods as well as what creative hobbyists manage with these new kits. The new Chosen and the Raptor/Talons really have a Tzeentchian look to me. This is also what is a bit unsettling about the helldrake - it is a very cool model, but that dragon ahead also seems very Tzeentchian or perhaps just Fantasy in general. Not in line with anything we have seen in the CSM line before. Seems it would have been wiser to go more abstractly daemonic and less fantasy-dragon with that kit. I expect that is the direction some folks will go with conversions.

    The Forgefiend/Maulerfiend kit is also good but with some jarring aesthetics. As the Forgefiend, it looks right - as mentioned by someone in an earlier post, like a mini Chaos titan. I even like both of the head options - one looks like a juggernaut, the other just bizarre and appropriately chaosy. Assembled as the Maulerfiend, however, it is a bit odd - too simian with the long arms and little legs. Way too much like a robotic krootox. Nevertheless, there could be some fun conversions to be done with this thing - put bloodletters scrambling on it like an uber-juggernaut, for example.

    Whatever the case, it will be interesting to see how the new models are incorporated by chaos players. As a painter of World Eaters, I can see some of this working quite nicely, others not at all. I will wait to see the complete line before I pass ultimate judgement. I have enough faith in the folks that are behind much of this (Goodwin, Kelly, etc.) that in the end we will be more pleased than disappointed with what we can do with chaos in 40k in the future.

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  60. Those Fiends are just HUGE! Maybe T-Fex / Tervigon sized? First I though they were as big as Pyrovores of Hive Guard, but now - jus wow. Those are awesome!

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  61. The mauler things are Cool! The dark apostle is preety cool too. The warp talons are sadly rather rubbish but the rapter version is ok.

    The daemon engines are embarassing, the dragon is a fantasy throwback. Lots of this wouldnt look out of place in fantasy! I foresee something along the lines of the soul grinder crossover where they can be used in both systems. Thats the only reason i can guess GW throwing out this crap. Compare to FWs daemon engines and gritty look at Chaos. Its not even close. GW should write the codexes and FW should make the minis.


    More positive note the first Primarch looks ace, just hope that isnt a massive diarama base...

    GW i understand you wanted to go down a different route with Chaos. Sadly you have chosen the wrong one. This should have been Chaos Space Marine Legions Codex

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    1. That's your opinion.

      Legions are fractured. I can still make a themed pure Thousand Sons list.

      It's up to the player. Players for 5 out of 6 chaos space marine books have had to construct their own lists based upon what they think the Legions would look like. 3.5 spoiled people.

      Get out of the 3.5 mindset.

      It was ONE book. It's time to move on.

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    2. For the record- I played 3.5 and I STILL play Thousand Sons.

      If I can deal with it... YOU can deal with it.

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    3. disagree on the CSM legions. what you want is basicly narrow special rules for a small percentage of what is chaos. what GW's doing is handing us a huge array of things to build a force from. stepping back and looking at what we know about the codex, I think the choices on what we can build are pretty solid. each of the 9 Legions of chaos is very much buildable.

      most of the 9 legions have a unit that will stand out as being special to them.

      the new chaos codex however gives us options for so much more. Heck you don't even, technicly speaking, have to even use any chaos marines. if you want a chaos cult attacking with demon engines etc it's doable.

      GW'S given us MORE choice and more options. while keeping the 9 legions very much a viable choice

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  62. I wish the internet had a pessimist filter.

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  63. my first thought when I saw the forge fiend was it looked kind of like a "robo-tyranid"

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  64. Dunno if anyone noticed but the pic with the sorcerer and that small squad of marines has 2 plasma guns.

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    1. Indeed. Remember the Word Bearers pic on the gw website that had 2 possessed and 3 bolter marines?

      I wouldn't take much from it other than "look at this new sorcerer"

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    2. Which is nothing special. That model repeats every feature of old sorcerers, it's just cast in new scale. I would prefer new sorcerer in TA instead.

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    3. There's already a plastic one, so don't complain.

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    4. Don't tell me what to do and I won't tell you where to go. We share our opinions, expectations and feelings here, that's what blogging is about, you know. Being polite isn't mandatory but still is a good option.

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  65. It took me 24 hours to get it, but I now like the Forgefiends. Mini Deamon Titans

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  66. The Angron miniature looks pretty good, although it does remind me of the 'head in the painting' in Ghost Busters Two :-s

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  67. According to the pic of the Maulers, you get enough parts for 3, but there are only 2 variations of each part. Look, the first and third have the same head, and the second and third have the same right hand and shoulder pad. That's super disappointing.

    I am happy to see though that the Raptors and Warp Talons will be in the same box. Look carefully at the bodies, legs, and jet packs and you'll see the exact similarities, which means plastic all around, which is fantastic.

    The Forgefiend looks like it really will be HUGE, which I think is going to be a good thing. That can't be a normal monstrous creature sized base...

    Still enjoying the Drake, and I like the looks of the Sorcerer and Aspiring Champion. Never was big on the Dark Apostles, but I do love the detail and attention they put into it. Glad to also have a better pic of the Warp Smith, who is still looking fine.

    So the new units, overall, get a B+ from me. Very happy with some, very meh with others. Here's hoping that the second wave updates some of the older models and creates a nice, cohesive range!

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    1. You just summed up everything I thought about the models in one post...
      I actually think the Warpsmith looks even better in these photos, and I'm trying to work out whether I can sneak one onto my pile of unpainted models... :) (I would like to have the fiend, but then it would be really obvious it was a new model)

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    2. To me it all comes down to playability. I'm not going to get a Warp Smith if it's not that playable. I'm not going to get a Forgefiend if there are better options in the Codex. Unfortunately, just getting the Codex and the Heldrake is going to stretch my funds :P

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  68. Plan on getting the codex when it comes out, and maybe some of the other stuff second hand in a few months after people jump ship or go with the next netlist. ;-)

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  69. Has anyone heard if the USR "Brotherhood of Sorcerers" will be in the codex?

    Thanks!

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  70. So youre telling me...

    You expected a full color gardback codex to be cheap?! Ha! You deserve this.

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    1. I would happily buy another softcover codex, nothing wrong with that format.

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  71. I have to say i'm much happier with this second batch of pics, the infantry models barring the maulers are awesome, love the warpsmith and with a few slight tweeks the dark apostle will be a fitting champion to lead my Word Bearers to war :-). Still not sold on the daemon engines though ive gotta admit :-s. Thanks Natfka for the awesome site and all the lovely little sneak peeks you provide for us all :-D. Keep up he good work man!

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  72. I could complain about most of these models but I won't be getting any of them anyway. I'm deeply disappointed in GW's art department, but whatever. Just give me the codex and I'll get what I need from my own collection.

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  73. I'm of the opinion that the infantry models - bar the oblitards are pretty good looking. However given I run a World Eaters army I'll not be buying any of them except maybe the champion to go with the DV box set minis and the raptors because I have no fast attacks at all and they do look good.

    I think the drake and the other daemon engines leave a lot to be desired. I've been keeping tabs on this site for a few weeks since DV and the knowledge that GW were going to nurture chaos inclined me not to quit playing 40k. So cheers for that Natfka.

    The forgeworld blood slaughterers and flyers may be (slightly) more expensive. If the number here are true. But I think a marine in a chaos jet is much more in keeping with a chaos space marine army than a half assed dragon thing. It looks more like it should be in a fantasy chaos dwarves army than anything else. But that's probably just because I couldn't see it fitting in with world eaters. Unless there is a sprue in the box that allows you to mount an infantry model on its back.

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  74. Fire dragons with rake are a must. Take that salamanders.

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  75. Given the Hellbrute, these new daemon engines aren't daemonic enough. The Hellbrute is fleshy and mechanical, it has spikes and has flat parts. I don't see someone easily converting the new Fiend models for Nurgle. They don't look killy enough for Khorne, not sleek enough for Slaanesh.

    Of course, this may just be the paint scheme, given I don't have a liking for the Iron Warriors, their paint seems boring to me. But even beyond that, the models are so static and symmetrical, not chaotic like we would all have expected.

    The name "Forgefiend" for a daemonic engine evokes a horrific image of a daemon barely contained in a metal exoskeleton. It charges forth at the enemy, whatever guns it has are raking across the battlefield as the ground shakes under its mechanical/flesh legs.

    The models makes it look like a slow gun platform, even the clawfiend looks slow and boring.

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    1. If you had seen the forgefiend before the helbrute would you be saying that?

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    2. My reaction would have been much different, I still would have said they were static looking, but I would have been much more receptive to them.

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    3. Yes i see. The hellbrute though is always gonna be a unique model. They might release a kit but i strongly doubt it will ever look like tht one. I think they have to make the forgefiends generic. I agree that making it more like an actual animal is a mistake though. Should look lime a robot shell with a deamin inside.

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  76. Anyone else feel like $50 for a book that will probably be used for 4-6 years is a great deal? Still cheaper than a academic text book, and lasts longer. Still cheaper than a new release video game. Still cheaper than a night out with the lady friend. Anyone?

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    1. You bring up a very good point, thank you for putting things in perspective here. (Not sarcasm)

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  77. Fingers crossed it will be. It's the first 6th ed codex so I hope they'll go all out with chaotic goodness. Obviously there is going to be a lot to do with the new minis that are coming out with it but I hope they give us some interesting and previously unread background to characters and legions we already know and love.

    Also it really depends on what you expect from a night out with the lady friend. It may be cheaper, but...

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  78. Really loved DV. A bit let down by the other stuff. I was so excited....

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