Details on how Legion Tactical squads are working in the Horus Heresy Book 1 Betrayal. They definitely are rather cheap with 10pts each for additional marines with a lot of upgrade options. So take a look at the bulk of your troop forces for the new release.



via a Hobbyist now with the book (who wishes to not have his name published)
Legion Tactical Squad – 150 points
Space marine stats (Ld 8/9)

Unit Composition:
9 Marines/1 Sergeant

Wargear:
Power Armor
Bolter
Bolt Pistol
Frag and Krak Grenades

Special Rules:
Legiones Astartes
Fury of the Legion

Dedicated Transport:
May choose a rhino
- Note that if an army contains a character that has one of the Rites of War special rules, other Dedicated Transport options may be available for the squad

Options:
Add up to 10 additional Legion Space marines (10 pts each)
The entire tactical squad can do ONE one the following:
- Exchange their bolter for a combat blade or chainsword (Free)
- Take an additional combat blade or chainsword (2 pts per model)
One marine can take a Nuncio-vox (10 pts)
One marine may carry a Legion Vexilla (10 pts)
The Legion’s sergeant may exchange their bolter for one of the following (this seems like an oversight because if the squad switches to being an assault marine it means that you can’t upgrade the sergeant)
- combi weapon (10 pts)
- plasma pistol (15 pts)
- heavy chainsword (5 pts)
- power weapon (10 pts)
- power fist or single lightning claw (15 pts)
The sergeant may take melta bombs (5 pts)
The sergeant can upgrade to artificer armor (10 pts)

Fury of the Legion:
While at least five models remain in the unit armed with bolters, or bolt pistols, the squad can elect to make a Fury of the Legion attack in the Shooting phase so long as they did not move, arrive via deepstrike or disembark rom a vehicle earlier in the player turn.  Models making a fury of the legion attack may fire twice with their bolters or bolt pistols against a single target (note that in the case of a combi-weapon, only the bolter part may fire twice).

Owing to the massive expenditure of ammunition involved, once a squad has made a fury of the Legion attack it may not use Overwatch fire later that turn or fire in the shooting phase of their next player turn.  Fury of the legion may not be used for snap shots and models joining the unit do not benefit from this rule and must fire normally as does any non-bolter weapon used by the squad at the same time as the Fury of the Legion attack is made.

51 Comments:

  1. The more i hear,the more i want!!

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  2. Odd restrictions on the FoL rule... guess its to encourage leap-frogging

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  3. FoL would seem to be a bit of a waste of a turn, as firing 2 shots each can stop up to 3 shots being fired. 1 in your normal shooting phase 1 as an overwatch then a 2nd in next shooting phase. Or did I miss something there?

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    1. Seems like you'd do it for the same reasons Dire Avengers would bladestorm. Just to really soften up a squad to either eliminate it entirely or make it easier for something else to kill. Then the turn you can't shoot you could probably run somewhere or something. Or you could make a tactical squad that thinks they are Striking scorpions that double tap with bolt pistols before charging.

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    2. Personally I think it's less about thinning a squad down to kill it with something else, and more about thinning a squad down to stop them killing you, like the infamous 20 Kabalite warriors. Rapid firing 5-10 bolters twice per turn is more than enough to execute a squad.

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    3. imagine 2 tac squads running forward alternately with no loss of firepower.
      On a larger board this may prove to be a good advantage.

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    4. 2nd commentor

      I also imagine that with the primarchs being virtually indestructable, it allows squads to fire two rounds of shooting before they get assaulted, and more than likely, whiped out. Possibly causing a wound or two if you're lucky to a primarch.

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  4. Sadly the tactic of firing your bolter more was lost to the Imperium by m40. Possibly due to Roboute Guilliman saying "Don't put that sh*t in my Codex Astartes! We are not Orks! We are Spess Mehrehns! We are the Emprah's Fureh!" either that or some form of Eldar trickery. Or Creed hides the extra bolts with his tactical genius.

    Seems like everyone and their strange geneseed capable moms had artificer armor back then. Makes you wonder how all this knowledge became "lost". Personally, I blame tech-priest interns.

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    1. lol...
      maybe its an Inquisition cover-up??

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    2. I can see how Space Marines lost this stuff, but... some Chaos Marines are THESE SAME GUYS. Screw it, my Iron Warriors are using Horus Heresy as their codex.

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    3. 'Makes you wonder how all this knowledge became "lost".'

      Well duh, it's shrouded in mystery...

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    4. It's probably because everyone used the artificer armour that it's mostly gone. There's some pretty heavy weaponry going around!

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  5. Due to the Horus heresy being aprehended later than it should have, companies in chaos legions stole what they could. The forces of the imperium then kept what they could. All to a point where tech died with companies and their techmarines.


    Although it's more down to lowering the average. One dice might cought for 100 rounds fire a minute, but if only a few of them pierce the armour and even less manage to wound to a point of incapacitation, it all gets filtered in to one dice.

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  6. It was big surprise that Legion Tactical Squad has not access to special/heavy weapons absolutely. It looks like this role will be on the shoulder of support squads, but with this way we can have deficiency of Troops slots in the FOC.

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    1. What Naftka hasn't covered.

      There's 2 or 3 variations of a tactical squad. On of them works like a regular SM squad if I remember.

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  7. So this is 20 marines at a base points of 250, doing 60 shots at 12". Most likely causing 20 armour saves on t4 opponents?! That is offensively good. I play Eldar and use the bladestorm tactic all the time and it hammers terminators, crisis suits and heavy armoured troops really well. This tactic will be awesome, trust me.

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    1. um... 20 guys can actually do 80 shots at 12"...

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  8. After one game I'd say that the lack of the heavy weaponry is not so annoying as it seems.

    Support, heavy, recon, seeker and veteran squads work pretty well when the bulk of your forces are large and relatively cheap units of Marines with bolters.

    Playing Alpha Legion without its legion rules is not so rewarding, but untill the third book is here (2nd part of the Istvaan V massacre), but can be treated as a good training session. It is already possible to field reasonably good armies with not a single vehicle, so it should be even better in the future.

    Still hesitant if I ever use Destroyers, even if Rad Missiles seem scary.

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    1. I would say that you should have no probably with pre-heresy alpha legion. I can see this book becoming a stable, and the rest of the books being extras.

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  9. Not sure about the FoL ability. The only reason I'd give up my next turn of firing would be if I wasn't going to fire next turn because it might be the last turn or I'm charging. You cant charge after firing the bolters and what are the chance that you have an unengaged enemy unit in pistol range if you cant move beforehand? I really dont see the situation where I give up my move and my next turn shooting just to double up on bolter fire of all things.

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    1. unless you feel that bolter fire will be sufficient to kill any unit within charge range this turn.....

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  10. FoL can be good alternative overwatch-fire if you have deffencive position (will be charged in following enemy turn), or if you going to move faster (move + run) in next your turn. In other words all new ability we have to test and look for personal preference.

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  11. As someone already suggested, try taking two 20-man tactical squads, and each turn run one of them and use FoL with the other. That way there is no loss of shooting quantity, and it makes for a very offensive troops choice.

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    1. That was me! second thought I had on the bus was that the squad who don't fire who advance would be the one's assaulted and so could still overwatch fire.

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  12. Depends how the term "Twice" in Fury of the Legion can be interprated.

    Either:

    1. You fire with an additional shot with Bolter or Bolt pistol. or...
    2. You get another shootingphase followed right after the first one has occured ( but ofc at the same target).

    Assuming a full squad of SMs stands within fire range either can unleash 60 (2x20 +20) or 80 (2x2x20) boltershots.

    Basicly, does a bolter withing rapidfire range counts as a firing once or twice? Also what's the exact meaning of the term "Twice" within this rule.
    So far it's kind of vague to me.

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    1. How is the word TWICE vague!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      It's not a phrase. OMG stop playing 40k and go to warmachine please!
      You useless rules lawyer!!!

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  13. So, I'm a little confused. If I wanted to run World Eaters, I can't exchange for a Chain AXE only a sword?

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    1. World Eaters have their own specific legion rule saying they can exchange for chain axes. If I remember corrrectly, it costs 2 points per model to do this.

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    2. Great! Thanks for this, could you also tell me the stats of the chainaxe? I presume ap4, +1s -1i but thats just a guess.

      Can't wait for this to go on sale!

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    3. It's strength (As user) ap 5 I -1

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    4. Ah slightly disappointing, I thought I read they'd be AP4, but I may have read that under the new Chaos codex rather than Warhammer 30k!

      Still, ap5 will open guard and orcs which is better than an ap6 chainsword!

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    5. Guard - may be, but orks? Do you think we will see a lot of xenos on the 30K battlefields?

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    6. Page 251 of the HH book says that WE can exchange chainswords for chainaxes for FREE.

      Those are AP4 and are NOT unwieldy.

      The only, chainaxe the WE use which is an unwieldy weapon is the Excoriator chainaxe which is +1 Strenght, doublehanded and AP3.

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  14. Are there no real 40k rumors any more? There is a lot of betrayal info coming for a product that people already have in hand.

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    1. 40k rumors are still filtering in. When I find them or receive them, they will be here. There is always a dry period after a big release, or in this case right after all that could be gotten out of Games Day.

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  15. I'm all for rule leaks and rumors but this is verging on piracy. Publishing pages from a book that is for sale and stating points is pushing it. I wouldn't be surprised if you start getting letters from the GW leagl team if you carry in down this road. And just because your not the one taking a the pictures from a copy written book doesn't make you any less accountable. My 2c worth.

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    1. read below. Also there is a lot that I have not touched. You could in no way play or come close to with what I have posted up.

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  16. Do you really think those pages are stopping anyone from buying the book? Or that someone will print the pages instead of buying the book?

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    1. If anything, it's making me want the book more! £70 is a huge investment for what is essentially, a book. With these sneak peaks I am confident it will be money well spent!

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    2. I agree with you. Such kind of sneak pics can give more information about book before order. May be it will be absolutely uninteresting and unusable for somebody, and may be it will be very requested for somebody others.

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    3. Lets talk about this briefly. Number one, its a very limited number of pages, that are already all over the internet.

      Second, people that are going to download pirated copies of the book are going to regardless of whether or not I post up a sneak preview of a page or part of a page somewhere. I am careful to not just lay down a large number of pages that would come anywhere close to being equalivant to a scanned copy.

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  17. This doesn't really approach piracy, these posts are not sufficient to play with the army, and they get people interested in the book, so in reality probably lead to more purchases.

    Now I'm just wondering if FW will start releasing iBooks, I really don't feel like buying this monstrosity, I just got rid of a ton of books so I could squeeze down to a smaler shelf.

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  18. I would like to get this but I wouldn't have anyone to pay with. So I will download it. I'm a freebooter can't help it. Just my 2c worth

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  19. I bought the book at Games day. its a beautiful book and a great read regardless of the fact i know i will never play a 30k game at any point.

    some screenshots should not change anyones mind on getting it. its all the £70 i spent on it.

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  20. Love it, my SM tend to only run with special weapons only to keep them mobile so I kinda dig the bolters only, although I'm chomping at the bit to know about Fulgrim and the EC rules and more about Rites of War

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    1. Check one of the other HH posts on here, someone was kind enough to tell us about Mortarion and more importantly, Fulgrim..he's pretty good.

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  21. What abilities do death guard get? I haven't heard anything on that front!

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  22. Forgeworld opened a new directory on their website! called... Horus Heresy! :-)

    Book 1 and Angron up for ordering!

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  23. Ok,the details on how Legion Tactical squads are working in the Horus Heresy Book needs more fleet management service, these are just sneak peeks!

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  24. No special weapons on the squad? What happened to meltas, plasmas, and the like? Lolwut

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