Now that we can actually own the book, at least some of us can, there are bits of information coming right from the new Horus Heresy book 1, Betrayal. This is our first glimpse at what is in it. Realize that people that just got the book, have not had much time with it yet. However, from what I have heard, its worth every bit you paid for it.


There will be bits that I am trying to catch up with regarding information that resulted from Games Day UK all day. Next up will be a lot more 'Betrayal' information.

From a Hobbyist with the book (did not want name mentioned)
Got my horus heresy book so here's some select rules you might like to know.
Cataphractii terminator armour is 2+/4++ with slow and purposeful instead of relentless
Primarch standard special rules are:
Independent character, eternal warrior, fear, adamantium will, fleet, fearless, it will not die, master of the legion
Angron is a combat monster
Fulgrim is a finesse combat king
Horus IS strategic genius
Mortarion probably will never die :P
Also, Mortarion has rules which means he can assault a minimum 18"

69 Comments:

  1. Can't wait to see the rest of the sculpts!

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  2. Can't wait for the Emperor... That'll probably be a while, though.

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    1. They did confirm that there will be an emperor figure, however it will be several years down the line and in their own words "lets be honest the emperors stats don't really matter. Getting the model right is all that does"

      I'm loving the book, had a good read of it last night, the Primarchs all seem to be wounds 5/6, Initative 7/8 etc. the special rules for them are very interesting. Angron being able to challenge all characters able to receive a challenge one after the other in the same turn and allocate attacks to each of them is interesting.

      During the seminar They discussed play testing the models (angron) and he "landed via drop pod, killed 2 squads, destroyed a building, and a couple of tanks before being taken down by the combined fire power of everything left on the battlefield. at this point we decided we'd got him about right"

      this got a big cheer!

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    2. But what are the rest of the World Eaters doing to you while you focus everything you have on bringing down Angron? [shudder]

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  3. So waiting on Morty's sculpt! Even more so if rumor's are correct they will be doing the DP versions of the primarchs also!

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    1. I had heard a Gamesday that they will "Show them as they progress"
      Which probably means Demon rules as well as Evil rules as well maybe?

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    2. They confirmed in the Q&A that they will be doing more than one version of some primarchs.

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  4. whats the public release date for the book and models

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    1. I also need to know how long I have to save money before I have to apply for a 2nd mortgage.

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  5. It has been announced that the Emperor won't get done.

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    1. They also said last year at Games Day that they had no plans to do the heresy...

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    2. Then how will they complete the siege of terra?

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    3. An emperor model is a great idea, However giving him a stat line is a bad idea. Once you give something stats its kill able, and Horus could'nt kill the emporer. I just picture him dying to overwatch.

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    4. Actually in the FW Q&A they said they are working on him.

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    5. To the anno actually it says Horus would have bested the emperor if it were not for the crack in his armor

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    6. As Damn The Valley said, they confirmed in the Q&A that they will do the emperor.

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    7. As stated in the rules, losing all of your wounds doesn't mean that the model "died" just that he was injured enough to not be able to carry on. So even if you "defeat" the Emperor (or any Primarch or Special Character for that matter), he isn't dead. He's just too injured to fight.

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    8. Folks, have you not been payi.g attention to the court case. They almost have to make a Emperor model and everything else. Other wise some other company will step in and make one. I can't remember the name of the company GW is in court with over model issues, but we can thank them for all the nice ahit we are gonna get out of it.

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    9. Anon 8.07 am, Horus's armour definitely reflects that fact

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    10. If you are gonna say no emperor you may as well say no horus as well. there can't be a heresy without the 2 main characters. who would horus defeat?

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    11. Remember, the Emporer almost died at one point to The Beast, a powerful Ork Warboss if Horus Hadn't saved him.

      So he actually is killable.

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  6. Yes, hurry up and take my money GW!

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  7. Makes me wonder what a loyalist army could bring in order to counter the amazing ueberness of the rebel Primarchs until some loyalist Primarchs arrive in later books. Just hope Loken (or Torgaddon perhaps, or anyone for that matter) has some neat rules to buff up his Luna Wolf buddies in some way, especially when fighting against Sons of Horus.

    On a serious note, I'm really curious to know how they balance out the powers of the Primarchs. Is it in the mission rules perhaps??

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    1. I don't have the books, but Loken is in (loyalist only at istvaan)
      Abaddon is in (renegade only at istvaan)
      Tarvitz and a SC dreadnought are in (loyalists)
      There's the young World Eater guy (loyalist)
      and there's a few more.

      All SC's (except the primarchs and the dreadnought) are >200 points, but are better than most Codex sc's I promise you.
      Loken is a beast, I remember his last wound can only kill him if you roll a 1 (or something to that effect).

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    2. I had the same thought. Pretty much the loyalists who were purged from the legions at Istvaan 3 were srewed. Vs Primarchs and the traitors had a fleet in space. I plan to play the loyalist side. I hope it feels like a struggle. I fully don't expect to win, and I fine with that.

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    3. When he should be removed as a casualty, roll a d6 and on a 2+ he lives on with one wound, one time only. Handy because he has no Eternal Warrior.
      Has a good statline and good equipment/special rules though.
      Abaddon is the only SC (apart from the walker and Primarchs) over 200 points

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    4. "On a serious note, I'm really curious to know how they balance out the powers of the Primarchs"

      They explained this in the Q&A, essentially theres a specific slot for Primarchs only and although you may be bringing a primarch, if your opponent doesn't have one, you may end up facing a Super heavy across the table instead.

      They also play tested the legions against 40k codex armies. At small point levels it wasn't balanced, especially against Min-Max armies. Eldar with Fast attack actually did the best against the legions who struggled with their mobility. The legions are designed to fight each other, there are no plans for other races to be involved in the books. Mechanicus vs Dark mechanicus was likely (i think thats what they discussed).

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    5. that is correct

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  8. Emperor of Man
    WS11 BS11 S14 T∞ I11 A(as many as he needs)LD12 SV1+/2++

    ok, emperor is done. add a few insane special rules and cost him out at 2k points and tada.

    seriously though. why would you want the emperor in game? either he will roflstomp the entire board by himself, or they balance him and he is just a disappointment.

    I would be ok with a neat model though.

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    1. The Emperor and Horus should be roughly on the same level by the battle for Earth.

      Stat wise I'd not expect a lot from him, his main strengths are Psychic powers and his intelligence.
      Would be interesting to see what they do with him.

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    2. I'm rather certain the Emperor could have obliterated Horus at any time but could not bring himself to do so.

      Then Horus slew Sanquinius and sh*t got real.

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    3. Ah, but The Emperor of Mankind rides to war on his Rending Pony http://bp2.blogger.com/_-HZLorI1B0w/SIcVOhnXlGI/AAAAAAAADBI/HmQrdezl76Y/s1600-h/Rending+Pony+Apocalypse+Datasheet.jpg

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    4. And his name is Bill! Bill, the rending pony!

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  9. Let's see Draigo assault Mortation now.

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  10. Be real the emp is just a man, With mighty pys powers. Horus tore him to pieces.

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    1. ^^^ Exactly! He was mortally wounded after all

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  11. #1 thing I want to see FW do is a Storm Hammer model. I'm already very excited about the Fellblade, Can't wait to see pics from people who bought one.

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  12. Amd i suppose Magnus will do crazy pyschic stuff.

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    1. He's gonna be hard to balance - on top of him being huge, strong and with a force weapon it would fit his fluff for him to know ALL the psychic powers in the rule books (probably some extras too) and be... I dunno, Mastery Level 6 at least?

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  13. Hah I wonder if you have to take out the Emperors dialysis, and life support to kill him?

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    1. A gold throne objective would be very neat!

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    2. Haha, that would be more like the largest Apoc table ever built!

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  14. Loving the book. Expensive but worth it. Will answer any questions I can within ip constraints

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    1. I'll say the same on this. Ask and i will answer.

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    2. Is the book good in terms of fluff. And what are the highlights inside. Anything extroadinary?

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    3. A real tease is a complete list of the Legions with two blotted out, but they are 'almost' readable or at least seem like it, that's how they are designed of course :P

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    4. There is the usual IA style pictures of marines and tanks. Haven't had a chance to read much of the fluff so far so can't say if there's anything new, but given that it's Istvaan III I think we know most of it.

      Higlight for me is the army list and options. There are so many that you really could tailor a force to be anything you want. It has a completely different feeling to that of the modern codex marines.

      You can take 3 HQs, 4 elites and the rest of the FOC is the same. Also you have a lords of war entry which opens up at 2000+ pts for super heavies etc.

      Captains are called Praetors, Centurions are their lieutenants (who can be upgraded to librarians, chaplains, forgemasters, legion champions and several others) and there are many troops choices throughout. (including assault squads, terminators etc as standard) Also, many new unit types, some are weapons experts, others are like sternguard, others like scouts but in power armour, others all armed with flamers. And you can take veteran tactical squads as elites. That and all the archaic weaponry (armoury is huge), it really is a fantastic way to build a unique SM army.

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  15. A question for those lucky enough to own the book...what is Fulgrim like?..not rules per se, but...the flavour, Angron is just brute force, how does Fulgrim differ?
    Thanks in advance :D

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    1. He's faster, a duellist rather than a butcher. A very good character assassin, although he might struggle with other Primarchs (equal footing and all) and he's strategic, he CHOOSES his warlord trait!

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    2. Could you provide a similar description for Mortarion? Thanks.

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    3. When I say Mortarion is dead hard, I'm not making a pun. High toughness and wounds plus special rules to keep him alive longer including boosted psychic resistance and close to immunity from poison.

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  16. Is anyone going to scan the book and post it online? Kinda desperate to take a good look inside.

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    1. If you are that desperate you could always order a copy yourself......

      just saying....

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    2. This book is really special, it's best in person compared to preview shots. Do as above or convince a mate to order one!

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  17. I just wanted to throw out there that GW has just stolen a bunch of my money. Sorta sickens me to know that they have my nuts firmly in their plastic modeled hands---- I mean seriously, if you really love the hobby and are a sucker for their books like the horus heresy novels-how on earth are you not going to buy every primarch?? I know I am!! they could and probably will charge a crazy amount and Ill still pay it. I tip my hat to you games workshop. You have me and I am forced to pledge my wallet to you. Please have some semblance of mercy.
    Tom

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    1. I like this. It basically describes how I feel.

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  18. My frist comment on this website :D
    anyone knows when the book will be released (and when they will place the prder on the website)?
    Also.. some more details about Mortarion? We know everything about Horus and Angron, but i want to know more about my favorite primarchhh!!!!
    (ps: sorry for my bad english, i'm from Italy) :)

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    1. Buongiorno! Come stai? (and that's the limit of my Italian) I've posted some details above if that helps!

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    2. ehehe, bene grazie (good thanks)! ;) yes, i've read, i just want more lol :D. Something like.. T? W? and his weapon? and the Lantern? :)

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    3. T/W: 7
      Armed with Silence (huge scythe) that is basically a power axe plus: instant death, sweep attack, reroll armour pen
      Lantern is assault 1, 18" S8 AP2 reroll armour pen
      Enjoy!

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    4. omg omg omg :D thanks much! :D

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    5. No problem! Just keep in mind he has extra rules too and gives extra benefits to a death guard army.

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    6. yep, i thought so! Can't wait this book to be available on the FW website! :D
      maybe you could tell me his armor too...?

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    7. 2+/4++ but that's the last for now ;)

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    8. ehehe, ok! Thanks much for what you said!!!! :)

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  19. Imagine an Armageddon game with multiple primarchs.

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    1. Warn people before you say things like that! Now I need to get some new pants...

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  20. I just got the book - its waiting for me at home! Can some one tell me what page(s) the Primarch stats are on so I can go straight for the jugular please?

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