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Imperial Knight Exclusive Rules Content..... if you spend $785


Games Workshop has advertised on its The Exalted Court of House Terryn web bundle (which is 5 imperial Knights for $785) that if you buy this, you get a set of rules exclusive to this web bundle.


I am not one of those fan's of exclusive content (rules) for either attending an event, or in this case purchasing almost 800 dollars of models in one bundle that most likely wont even be available on a permanent basis. It might be just me, but these throw a huge wrench in the game.


via Games Workshop
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Exalted-Court-House-Terryn-Rules-Bundle
This is an absolutely immense bundle for the die-hard Imperial Knights collector. It includes a set of rules - exclusive to this web bundle* - that allow you to field the five Knights in your games of Warhammer 40,000. You get everything necessary to build two Imperial Knight Crusaders, a Knight Warden, a Knight Paladin, and a Knight Errant. This is well over a thousand components, an astonishing amount of weaponry(interchangeable with any other Knights you might own). You’ll crush everything in your path.

The Exalted Court of House Terryn contains five Imperial Knight Wardens and an exclusive datasheet*.

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  1. Pretty intresting idea.I'd like to see the rules relace to gir everyday folk. But wait... complaints in 5...4...3...2...

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    1. why only the bundle? What about knight players who have 2 Knights already and don't want to buy 5 more, can they not get the rules separately?

      Above any other complaint, this must be an important one to consider.

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    2. I'm sure the Internet will provide

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    3. the internet will provide, I mean full codices are pretty easy to get these days if you know where to look. and a single exclusive datasheet like this? no one'll even QUESTION if you just bring in a printed scan of it. and if they do "ohh well.. I didn't wanna loose my original copy"

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    4. Brian. ADD a +1 to that.

      Although, I'm not fast to say anything bad on Gedub. But this is a low. I'm one who does wants 5, but will never be able to buy it in one go.....

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    5. If it's anything like the Aquila Strongpoint Plasma Obliterator the data sheet is a digital pdf which everyone will share and print anyway.

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    6. Print it scan it laminate it.

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    7. Maybe when they releas a Wraightknight formation that gives them extra destroyer attacks on top of what they allready bring, you might see reason to complain about pay to win stuff like this.

      Why should people that buy 5 knights get extra buffs on top?

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    8. Thr internet has already provided..GW has a picture of the datasheet as seen above posted on their webstore.. has anybody zoomed in to be able to read what the 6 special rules the formation provides?

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    9. The question is, how many people does ever field 5 knights. If you want to waste money on 5 knights to get some special rules for them that the internet will provide 5 minutes later then you are just.... a pretty dumb idiot... whatever I can't see why we need to complaint about this. It's obviously an experiment and hopefully nobody is dumb enough to buy this bundle and we won't see this becoming the new standard.

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    10. My word "Pay 2 win" Do we even know what this legendary formation actually does? And on the point of pay 2 win, I'm pretty sure Filling your army with wraithknights and Hell turkeys (when they had the 360" fire arc) Was all fair game and not "Pay 2 win" either. This is a hobby seb, you buy your models and you buy the models you want to play with.

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    11. The comparison to heldrakes is terrible, for obvious reasons (formation vs codex listing, one you can choose not to take while doing that with the knight formation is nonsensical if you bought them to begin with).

      I've only ever used a single Drake in a single Apoc game once, where I proxied a friend's papercraft Talon for one. And I took the cannon not the flamer. And even if I did buy Drakes, I could use them w/o spamming them and without the baleflamer. But this? Yeah, you're kinda stuck taking the entire thing and I can't see anyone ever buying this thing and NOT using the rules. See the difference?

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    12. It is actually quite comparable. You are a human being you make choices, you can decide whatever you want to do, and the basis of the argument is pay 2 win, the 5 hell drake spam is a very apt comparison as you had to purchase Black legion books at the time to be able to field that army.

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  2. Really? Now they give out rules based on money?

    You could see it that they're rewarding those who have spent a lot of money, but most long term players have spent way more than that...where are the nice funky rules for our miniatures to make them better?

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    1. hahaha Wallet-hammer 40K that had me too to tears Maelstrorm! My wallet does take a damn hammering from these gits but aint not way I am splashing that much roller for a bunch of Knights!

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    2. Pay to win, is anyone really surprised by this? I expect it to become more common, with stronger rules to create incentives to buy them.

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    3. To be fair buying whatever army is 'the latest filth' is pay to win too really.

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    4. Is it really that surprising that they're copying the trend of DLC from computer games whereby you purchase "achievements"?

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    5. Pay to win computer Games usually fail to attract a large following or one that stays.

      No one wants to play the money kiddys.

      There was a reason codex creep was unpopular in 5th. This is not really a step a the right direction. This is just free buffs to the dickheads in the Hobby.

      While it might sell knights it will caus all those other Kits to sell less. How many knight spam players will we really see in each local area before its knights on knights all the Time?

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    6. ^ gonna agree with you there. it is rewarding the "more money than sense" types of players and if it is encouraged how far will it go before even the die hard gamers decide enough is enough. double that up with "if fantasy goes goat up then they need to pluck a miracle out said goat"

      sure you don't need to buy or play a certain way.....unless your gaming buddies want to (and their other buddies in another meta or whatnot....then welcome to not gaming world- or find another game to play...as we are fond of saying but never doing)

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    7. Honestly guys.
      Firstly: Who will buy 5 Knights off the bat?
      Secondly: How often would you get to play that formation?

      I know a guy who might get it, and we will of course play with it, but "pay to win"? Not a chance. For most games it's "pay not to get games in".

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    8. "Free buffs to the Dickheads in the hobby" I'm sorry but really? Damn that guy has enough money to buy that kit? Must be a Dick.... What line of thinking did that come from. To boot that formation is going to most likely be banned from every single tournament because of the same issues people have with Wraithguard and their "Fairness"

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    9. Most tournaments will not need to ban it, as fielding 5 Knights for the formation is likely going to cost more than 1850.

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    10. ^ "who buys 5 knights off the bat" well fantasy players do all the time....i heard it was the standard knight kit...5 a box....

      LOL

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  3. ALSO, there are only 100 people that're going to get this. Despite the fact that it's digital. What the fuck gw

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    1. Don't worry, thanks to the Internet, it'll be everywhere in free pdf form soon.

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    2. well if only 100 people get it that is a fairly small portion of the internet capable of putting it on the internet at all

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    3. Yeah im still after the combined Aquilla Strongpoint/Plasma Obliterator rules.. anyone care to share that?

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    4. Got it. I can already taste the tears.

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    5. Google is your Friend

      Plasma Obliterator rules
      http://waaaghhammer.ru/images/plasma_obl/plasma-3.jpg

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    6. it's not digital though it's gonna be basicly a slip of paper slid into the box.

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    7. No Mark Google is your friend... I was talking about the combined rules like I said above.

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    8. As far I know there is no one book that share rules for obliterator and strongpoint. Both has rules in box and strongpoint was also in stronghold assault.

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    9. I was able to get my hands on a Plasma Obliterator, but if I like the rules for the Plasma Obliterator Aquila Strongpoint, I might actually buy an Aquila Strongpoint to use the combination. I still haven't been able to find the bundle rules online.

      I'm considering just asking GW support if they can make the rules available. The bundle sold out on the first day, so it's not like they would be missing out on any sales. In fact, they may just get a bunch of Plasma Obliterator owners to buy Aquila Strongpoints.

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    10. samot92: GW's description of the Plasma Obliterator and Aquila Strongpoint bundle said that the models fit together to create a single fortification. That's why the Plasma Obliterator's instructions say not to glue the rest of the building to the base. The bundle description also said that it "Included... rules for deploying the Plasma Obliterator Aquila Strongpoint in games of Warhammer 40,000." Considering that the Plasma Obliterator isn't nearly as powerful as the Macro cannon, it's likely that the points cost of the Plasma Obliterator Aquila Strongpoint is lower.

      Hydrapup, myself, and others are trying to find the rules for the combined building. So far they have only been accessible in the extremely limited edition bundle.

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    11. Hey James someone sent this to me and I think it may be what you're looking for. Looks like it came as a pdf via email when they purchased the bundle. Have fun:
      https://www.facebook.com/download/834225299975919/Plasma%20Obliterator%20Aquila%20Strongpoint.pdf

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    12. I have a feeling the Plasma blast will be bigger or it will be able to fire twice. More dakka... surely

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    13. Thanks Crodon! I'm a bit underwhelmed by those rules though.

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    14. Thank you very much, Crodon. It's exactly what I expected; an Aquila Strongpoint with a toned down weapon for a discount (i.e., 110 points less than the normal Strongpoint).

      I'm actually quite happy with these rules. Ours is a pretty friendly gaming club that meets in a buddy's basement. Two D-blasts or one Apocalyptic Blast per turn from the standard Strongpoint's Macro cannon don't exactly help you keep friends. I was hoping that I could take a cheaper version of the Strongpoint with a weapon that wouldn't earn me too much hatred.

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    15. I didn't think of it that way James... paying for a downgrade is a strange concept.. only in GW land lol

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  6. Why don't we just start playing with stacks of cash?

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    1. You don't? I have a titan made of 100 dollar bills.

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    2. It would be cool to make a titan out of copper from melting pennies. they would be useful then

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    3. Pennies aren't made of copper

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    4. Made from $100 bills, that's some serious origami skills.

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    5. Melting pennies or destroying currency is a Federal offense. Lets do it.

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    6. ^ you first. don't forget to upload to youtube so we can all laugh when the door gets kicked in by the feds (or interpol or whathaveyou)

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    7. Feds, and how could they tell if i don't sell it. Besides, It would be painted and would be for personal use.

      The law was originally invented to stop people from melting pennies for copper and then selling the copper to make a profit.

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    8. GW doesnt want you to play with money. They want you to give THEM the money! :D

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    9. the idea of interpol kicking down your door for melting down some pennies is just a beautiful image. thank you for that.

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  8. C'mon, the rules for this formation will be all over the internet soon enough so I really don't care

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  9. The maths make these ‘free’ rules insanely expensive:

    5 knights at £95 each so thats £475, the same as purchasing each one separately. OK, so basically you get some free rules then, right?

    Well, no. The rules are for one of each knight which, if you are a diehard GW shopper can be achieved by buying 2 old boxes at £85 and 3 new boxes at £95, making £455. So, in effect, the rules cost £20.

    If you are less loyal you can go to a discount retailer (eg triplehelix in the UK) and you can get 2 old + 3 new knights for £340 + postage, which means the rules cost about £120.

    Who wants to pay that much for rules you will almost never use?

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    1. not true, the old knights can be contructed out of the new boxes. and there are some valid bits and parts why you might want to do so. although I'd proably buy the old kit if I wanted a paladin or errant

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    2. Why not true? As you say, the old knights can be constructed from the new boxes but also from the £10 cheaper old boxes. If you just want this formation you can do this with 2 old boxes and 3 new ones which is cheaper than 5 new boxes.

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    3. In any case you end up spending 475,- for leagal aquiering of rules!

      + you get buffs for being a d-bag money hammerer!

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    4. The cheapest option is to buy the web bundle, return the knights to a GW store for a full refund/exchange for another army and keep the rules. I'm sure those will fetch a nice sum on eBay.

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  10. 1) It's a formation requiring 5 Knights, how good can it be?
    2) If someone is putting down 5 Knights a formation probably won't make much difference
    3) It's 2015; it probably won't be exclusive for long.

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    1. It will probably also be outdated next year too ;)

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    2. Still doesn't make the principle of it acceptable.

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    3. The rules don't originate from an official GW publication so these will be pretty much banned at any event.

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    4. @ Antario
      How are these rules not official?
      Are they sold by GW? Check
      Does GW own and publish the rules? Check
      Are they sold with GW products? Check
      Does GW profit from the sales of these rules? Directly no, but they provide a sales incentive, so they have a small value to GW.

      If these rules are not ‘official GW rules’ then the knights they are sold with are not valid either, and for that matter, would make Forge World products as official as taking Privateer Presses Warmachine/Hordes in a 40k game.

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    5. I don't doubt GW made that datasheet but these rules are not widely available through the white dwarf, a codex, supplement, expansion or web publication. Few if any event organizer will be able to verify the rules from an official source in case of disputes.





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    6. Thomas Gardiner - the principle isn't that awful, its a formation for 5 Knights, sold with 5 Knights. Its only going to be viable in lists of 1875 or more, and could even be apocalypse only. As much as it rewards the rich, it really is very inconsequential, its just an extra incentive to buy knights and really that is it. I like the idea, I just care little for the purchase myself, nor the rules (as again, I am quite sure it really wont matter all that much)

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    7. It should fit into a 2k list and depending on rules be pretty decent list. Looks like each is a named knight with his own rules. Pretty bad arse.

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    8. 1. the minute they are released it is obsolete.

      2. those that went and bought will no doubt cry about it here that they cannot play said formation because of being considered "that one guy".

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    9. Deus
      You could say the same about Eldar D Spam. Its just a reward for Eldar players that buy the new dex. LMAO!!!

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    10. it all started with the ***** bolter. then chaos wanted it's own bolter, but theirs was possessed, then imperials got a holy ammunition types and purity seals, then eldar were feeling left out so they got farseers instead of warlocks for leaders which upset the orks in the room so they got mega armour, this upset the space marines which got terminator armor, to which the tyranids who were merely spawnlings were basking in their pride of genestealers, the real culprits of the whole affair, or was it marbo disguised as farsight who didn't have enough far-sight and went with mecha from another universe....this upset the marines further and then they got dreadnoughts, this pleased the emperor somewhat for a short time, that was before the inquisition silenced his holy emperor and fitted him to the golden toilet, as the emperor withered away his pysker ability grew, this upset the tyranids and the eldar, but pleased tzeentch.....just as planned.

      humor for those that "get it".

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    11. Most people don't play tournaments, contrary to what the internet make it seem like.
      So if TOs ban it, so freaking what!? The person who buys 5 Knights does it because he wants 5 knights, because he thinks 5 knights looks cool.

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    12. http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/touts/2015-05-01/Homepage/Header_carousel/IKRulesBundleENG_Slot2.jpg
      Really look at that. The problem, to me at least, is that it's limited to 100 despite being entirely digital.

      Also, @Antario; since when are event organisers more official than GW itself?

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    13. LOL Two schools of complaining:

      1) GW are wankers for providing special rules to people with a spare £500! BASTARDOS

      2) GW are wankers for limiting this to 100 copies only WTF GITBAGS

      Personally I'm using one to cancel out the other because it's all a "non-issue" anyway. lol

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  11. Some twit is sure to buy it. Unfortunately.

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    1. That's why GW keeps doing this. If I had to guess, most buyers of these huge bundles probably live in Southern France.

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    2. There are several players in my local group with 6 figure salaries but those guys are the most stingy of the lot as they understand value for money.

      It's the singles with low costs of living, who have normal jobs and poor impulse control that tend to go crazy on plastic crack.

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    3. ^ i disagree as they are in the minority of population of gamers. the many non singles actually have lack of time but (might) have a family of their own so impulse buy because they have a stable home life and secure finances. these types make up the majority whom spend more than they "need to".

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    4. 940 Canadian is unjustified 5 or 6 figs. We work too hard to earn such money here in Canada. The only people that buy this is 7 figs for their children.

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    5. Dont be jealous

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  12. If I just dropped $785 For access to exclusive rules, I'm not sure I'd run out and give them away for free (the rules posted on the Internet). Though I don't quite understand why someone would buy a codex and then put it up for free either. Though at least then you could be unscrupulous and return the codex after scanning it.
    However, as others above have said, the "exclusive" rules will hit the Internet quickly and without fail.

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    1. I'm certain there are plenty of gaming groups/clubs where the sum of the members will want 5 (or more) of the new Wardens.

      It wouldn't be difficult to pool their cash and just order this bundle together instead netting them this extra datasheet as well.

      In that case they really aren't paying extra for the exclusive content and wouldn't have any reservations to "sharing" the information for the edification of the entire 40K community.

      I know plenty of people who've done this with the campaign box sets.

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    2. If I wasn't basically illegal, or if not technically illegal hardly the proper way of doing things I'd happily provide the codex for free. Just because I brought it why should my friends and others have to buy it? I brought it because I wanted it... I personally have pdf versions of rules, most are from 5th ed. but I still have them. They are useful.

      However, if I were to play a list in any manner i'd buy a codex... So in the end even if someone provided me with a free codex, I would be buying it physically in the end anyways (then it simply saves me fine digitizing it for my own purposes)

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  13. I dont advocate piracy, but, those rules will show up. I am not going to rush out and buy this, even with my discount but its a smart move.

    Remember (despite our bias on the matter) this is a collectors hobby, GW is appealing to people out there that purchase for the sake of owning something unique. Similar to people by Xbox/PS/PC Limited Edition games with a bunch of junk you don't need or will throw away down the road. We buy unique stuff like this for that privilege of owning unique aspects of the hobby.

    The rage only helps people justify their purchase, the negative comments only push people away from your point of view and strengthen their resolve on GW making an awesome offer.

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  14. Well I think ill just buy 4 Knights from Element Games for my nice discount... Rules aren't worth paying full price + an extra knight I dont want.

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  15. I'm really hoping for a few unique named HQs in the Knights codex. Ideally, I'd hope Tybalt's rules are already in the codex, and this bundle formation just adds rules on top of his existing rules.

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  16. This is a great idea. I'm just gonna go count down the days until they release limited release codices. It's gonna be glorious. Since only a few hundred people will get the rules, they can totally make them broken wihtout impacting the game. Next up: Codex: Movie Marines, limited to 100 together with a bundle of an entire Chapter, even thoguh you can only actually field like 10 guys. But you have the option to field anything so it's ok.

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    1. I have those rules from WD. Funny though, due to power creep that army list isn't nearly as powerful as it used to be.

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  17. Although I think it is weird to give out rules with such a high amount of money, I doubt they have any relevance for me. Because you have to use 5 knights for it...
    But I guess it's a nice gimmick for a gaming club, where min. 5 people want to have knight.

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  18. This is a huge slap in the face for people who actually run gaming stores at which GW products are sold.

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    1. To play Tzeentch's Advocate, this formation may inspire someone to buy some more Knights at his FLGS, if a scan of the rules can be found online.

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    2. Wouldnt it be better if GW pushed all Army and all Kits, than just the knight & Wraightknight?

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    3. But seb, why push 30-50 dollar kits when the good money is in 100+ dollar kits? GW has to make as much money as they can so they can sell their IP to some other company before they go tits up.

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  19. Thanks for making my friends quit llol

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    1. Why? What are the odds of meeting anyone who has five Knights and also has a copy of these rules? A thousand to one?

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    2. No its cause 940$ Canadian

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    3. @pain ted
      this happens in your plays too??
      it's starting again in our different gaming clubs. lots of players started posting their stuff for sale. Even new 40k players starting to quit.

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    4. Yeah its terrible. The prices have drove away lots of people. It's gunna get to the point where they will start starving to support one army. Just ONE!
      Lol it isn't like it used to be is another part of my feelings towards gw hate.
      I think they want us to collect only one army or none!
      Putting a 940$ Canadian product was the kicker for a lot of them. They told me "fuck this. I can spend my 1000$ on something I could have a lot more fun with" which is very true because anything that costs 1000$ + is usually 10 times better than putting together 5 knights.
      Probably be a new codex by the time they finished those knights. Upright quit and kkijiji, some are getting new sleds, some going back to magic(which kinda makes me happy haha) and others are buying houses instead of miniatures. Can't believe I'm comparing house savings to a set of minis.
      Damn gw--you killed my group!

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    5. So the fact that you could spend $1000 on a product you don't want means you have to quit the hobby? Does this mean you won't drive because there are cars you wouldn't want for $150'000 or giving up playing Any game because they did a limited edition irrelevant collection where you get a statue with your PC game that can't be used for anything? Your friends are odd and their belief that magic the (Fuck your cards every 2 years) game is any cheaper is a delusion.

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  20. This happened with the damn PO and the attached thing, rules were leaked on a fb page so d.W I'll have the rules ;p

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  21. How much you want to bet no TO gives this a second look before saying it's legal?

    3-5 LoW are perfectly fine. What, you want to bring IG + IQ + SW? That's too cheesy bro.

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    1. From what I've heard knights themselves will no longer be LOW slots in their own codex.. just the warden or w/e its called. they have their own detachment now

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    2. Well yeah, but my point is how hilarious tourney rulings are.

      The notion that some of this crap is 100% fine but 3 sources is going too far.

      Ridiculous.

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    3. Knights wernt LOWs in their last codex either lol

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  22. Jokes on them. Im just gonna start paypaling my opponent $50 each week to give me the win. I'll save tons of $ on models and books, and go undefeated w/o ever leaving my house.
    Check mate GW, your move.

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    1. Seriously though, how often will you actually face this on the tabletop? Where I live that's guaranteed to be never.

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    2. My concern isn't facing this on the tabletop, my concern is the general direction that 40K has been moving in and what this signals for the future.

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  23. Fresh from 4chan:

    The Lords of House Terryn:
    All models in this formation have the Vehicle (Superheavy Walker, Character) unit type, Weapon Skill 5 and Ballistic Skill 5. As Characters each can choose items from the Heirlooms of the Knightly houses list.

    The rest are harder to figure out, but among other things, the High King has WS and BS 6 and auto-defaults to seneschal, the Herald has a 12" aura of re-rolling *something* and may fire Overwatch despite being Superheavy. The Kingsward can take glaces and pens for the High King as long as he is within (unknown, likely 6") and the Gatekeeper has a aura giving all ranged weapons Interceptor.

    That's some powerful crap even as is, and that's only part of the rules.

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    1. Is there anyone left denying the arms race? Thats insane.

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    2. Its Pay to win
      Arms race would be if Chaos, nids & orks had options like that!
      This is just a want to win games easy & lose friends buy Button.

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    3. Come on guys, bringing 5 Knights is something you do when you and your mates want's to have a fun game of shits and giggles.
      Bringing that Formation makes those knights the"boss fight" level of gaming.

      It's not always about the win, some times it's about the challenge.

      I personally look forward to playing against that formation. And in a few weeks I might actually get to :)

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    4. yeah, the idea that this game is MEANT to be entirely fair is kind of ridiculous. Some people don't want a fair game, tbh.

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  24. Man, this is so damn tacky. Just when I think GW can't get ANY tackier, they surprise me.

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  25. Just placed my order!!!!! 1! 1! 1! Can't wait 2 pawn you peasants who can't pay 4 rooolllss#1! 1! 1! 1! They will be AWESOME allies for my new JETBIKE/ WRAITH army (its so fluffy 2 it rools) I love it GW! Can't w8 for Warlord Titan! #Pay2Win #EmbraceDaCheese
    ....
    Can you post more Infinity Articles? I'm really looking into that game now.

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  26. So I was in my LGS over the weekend, and suddenly those Warzone starters are looking pretty appealing.

    Especially when I noticed all of the shiny codexes (including current Knights) marked down in price to move off the shelves.

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  27. You know...i think in done. have been collecting and painting for 20 years. I love the hobby, love the models, love the game and love the people. But i just cant keep up anymore. Ive never been a pay to win kind of guy. Ive always taken a very long time to collect and paint a force (due to work + medical and personnal issues). Its got to a point where ive had 2 new codexes for my marines and rumours of a third before ive even finished my first force. my other forces stand similar.

    Im just unable to afford it any longer.

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    1. If you don't play often maybe just collect and paint for now. When you're finished and you want to game, buy the book. Maybe a good second hand one will save you money then

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  28. Wait, don't we already pay for this type of stuff anyway?

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  29. DAY 1 DLC. GW confirmed as EA in disguise.

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  30. You know...i think in done. have been collecting and painting for 20 years. I love the hobby, love the models, love the game and love the people. But i just cant keep up anymore. Ive never been a pay to win kind of guy. Ive always taken a very long time to collect and paint a force (due to work + medical and personnal issues). Its got to a point where ive had 2 new codexes for my marines and rumours of a third before ive even finished my first force. my other forces stand similar.

    Im just unable to afford it any longer.

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  31. I don't understand what everyone is worried about. If "no one can afford it", what are you worried about? You won't play with or against it...ever.

    Plus, the rules aren't anything special (and likely won't remain exclusive anymore than the Assassins will to their board game).

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    1. Oh goody, I was worried that I wasn't going to get my daily dose of braindead GW loving from the scrooge.

      YEAH MAN SELL IT HARDER!

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    2. also, as usualy, your pretty delusional on the game effect of the rules, How are those Maleceptors going?

      Still super awesome at killing things and others just dont know how to use them or roll dice above a statistical average?

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    3. Sure you're not getting the two of us mixed up, Dabz0r? ;P

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    4. nah, you're alright mauler

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  32. tbh tho everybody quitting over this, rather than the eldar dex, is just ridiculous. If you're worried because you "can't afford the game anymore".... why, exactly? Were you hellbent on buying five knights before?

    I made a 2500pt chaos army in fantasy for just over £150 by mixing and matching what models i use for what. Protip: Tomb Kings chariots are still three for £20. obviously that's not 40k, but if you're worried about price just look into the points-to-pennies of it all. That army was about 12.5 points per £, and that's about as good as getting nagash twice.

    Say these knights even out to 400 points each. That's a 2000 point army, for £475. Obviously not as good as my fantasy army in terms of value, but it's still 4.21 points per £. The cost of an army of nothing but tactical marines is 6 points per £ without upgrades, and it's not unlikely that you'd be buying things of worse value than those.

    Yeah, it's pretty bad, but it's nothing compared to the skitarii's worst unit, the Dragoons. 55 points for £29.50 equals 1.9 points per £. I don't have my codexes on me at the moment, but all in all it looks like the PPP of this army would be around the same as that of a space marine or mechanicus army, overall. It's just that it's 5 models instead of 60, or however many. And hey, if you like giant mechs, that means it's probably right up your street.

    Now you can obviously argue that things are getting more expensive and points are going down, and you'd be totally right, and that is totally bullshit, but this shouldn't be the release that makes you realise that.

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    1. In case anyone's wondering, the army was a slaughterbrute, kholek, a sorceror lord on chariot, a sorceror on chariot, four chariots, and around 25 hounds. Thinking about it some more, there ARE some elves from island of blood, which i split unequally with a friend, so change the cost of the army to £175. That still keeps the PPP at 14.3.

      I got two sets of chariots, two sets of hounds, a carnosaur and a stonehorn, which i converted together. The army is unique-looking and versatile, and therefore able to be used with pretty much any army book that has similar enough units, and even better, with other fantasy games without being too obviously warhammer. Yes, my kholek is a lightning dinosaur. Maybe i'll submit pics at some point.

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    2. Points costs going down should mean we also lower our game sizes... but no, we keep on the 1850 mark.
      Another reason for going down in points: Less room for crazy stuff.

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  33. The eldar release was the last nail in the coffin for me for 40k and like many others ive abandoned ship after 20+ years of playing. Yes it's cool gw are starting to release more stuff more often but the quality and price of stuff is getting beyond ridiculous

    But who cares about my thoughts and opinion cause this is the Internet and there's plenty of gw fan boys that will jump at this chance to vent at yet another disbeliever in the plastic crack dealer that is the gee dubs

    I'll get back to painting my new warmachine army so I can start enjoying my new hobby ...

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    1. I like how there are tow category of people on the internet with regards to GW.
      You are either:
      1. A true veteran, and entitled to hate anything and everything they do.
      2. A Fan boy, who supports GW no matter what.

      Why not just play at your own pace, and buy what you want when you want it?
      I understand not everyone have a tight knit gaming group like me, so I can't always see how it is in your area, but how hard is it to talk to people and agree on terms before you play? Not every game need to be a pick up game at the club, or a tournament game.

      I know a guy who is getting the 5 Knights, and guess what that means the rest of us will break the holy rule of "not to list tailor" so that we can fight him and his challenge.

      This has nothing to do with fanboyism, it's just how we choose to enjoy the hobby.

      The intoduction of the big baddies is a change to the meta game for sure, but is that such a bad thing? After doing some thinking I found that I can make a list that can take on the Knights, it might mean i need to go unbound, but it's not impossible

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  34. I love my Knights and House terryn...but almost $1000 on 5 robots that are gonna get wrecked by a necron warrior? You guys are better of with a baronial court

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