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Dark Angels and Daemonkin Release Rumors...



There has been a lot of talk on the site about what is coming over the next few months and into the fall. It was time to get it all down on paper so that it can be seen all in one place. The primary subject of course being a Dark Angels campaign vs Daemonkin (Tzeentch if I recall correctly).


So these rumor bits trail on earlier talk from today, and if you missed it, you can catch up here...
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/05/a-few-misc-dark-angels-bits-that-i-have.html
and
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/05/space-marines-dark-angels-and-fantasy.html

Please remember that all of this is still rumor, all the way up until we get some official information.

via Jarkko Airaksinen on Faeit 212
I heard about half a year ago that there will be DA vs. Daemonkin campaign set after SM release which includes also other Imperial factions (such as forces of Mars) in the later parts as well as a "new" faction like Lost and the Damned which uses SM figures with chaos upgrade kits and with different painting schemes.

Primary campaign boxed release will have new limited edition HQ for both forces and after the campaign DA will get their codex and then it is time for Daemons and CSM to be updated to 7th. 

Daemons and CSM will be fall release with Fantasy in between those releases. 

via Nightfury on Faeit 212
This sounds a bit like what I've seen except i haven't seen anything 40k other than a few shots of some dark angels models&print and that leads me to believe they will be the campaign codex jump.. the assaault marines and devs are definitely getting grav weapons.. ultra marines are def the 40k posterboy lol

via Dark Apostle on Faeit 212
daemons is what i was told....i have on excellent authority that what NF says here is 100% correct. a character and a squad (for Dark Angels). daemonkin will release after with campaign with DA v TDK.

(really if you must, choose to disbelieve me, but don't disbelieve our good pal NF, he is on the money this time) 


via Atia from Bolter and Chainsword
my hints for next week (suprise suprise)
AND THEY SHALL KNOW NO FEAR
as usual, video teaser @ monday morning :P

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  1. sweet heavens ... I hope we get a new tactical kit for DA ... and one for crusader squad

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  2. Has Nightfury explained what went wrong with his Eldar/SM claims last month?

    His rumours from just a few weeks ago:
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    Total bs.. no new codexs.. supplements sure but cor 'dex's are "done" for the forseeable future. i seriously laughed my beer out when i read this.. if it somehow in a tzeenchian way webtastically weaved way turned true ill eat my words but i wouldn't put any bets on it. my girls knows what's up and shed tell me if i had wasted my $ 6months ago on the SM dex i bought.

    There is no new SM codex to be released this or next year


    Lmao there's no SM codex being released this or next summer even


    I call shennanigans.. no new eldar dex for a long time to be sure

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    1. you still have three weeks to stand corrented

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    2. must have been a rumor or something like everything else on this site

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    3. I think a lot of this could be due to the recent upheaval at GW. A lot of rumor mongering depends heavily on what rumors are gathered + gutt feeling based on GW's previous approaches. Its quite possible that what NF had said was true a couple months ago and GW simply decided, NM, were releasing full codecies now. Its quite possible the Eldar/SM reworks have been done but their release has been questionable.

      There's also the confusion this whole new subfaction strategy has thrown into the mix. Pretty much until the day of release, people weren't sure if Codex Eldar: Craftworlds was going to be a full replacement or supplement. I mean based on GW's old pattern Codex Eldar should have been replaced by Codex Eldar. Likewise rumor mongers thought that Cult Mechanicus would be a full codex containing skitarri when in fact it is the first major faction to consist purely of subfactions.

      Seeing models and material is one thing, but Codex release information always tends to be somewhat of a crap shoot. Who knows what GW actually put in the book.

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    4. nope ;) i have said since day one (when i publicized the eldar URL's) that the new craftworld codex is a replacement for the eldar codex ;) (you can check it out at my thread, "the next Eldar Codex is indeed near .... and it should be the next release after the Skitarii ... it's called: CODEX ELDAR: CRAFTWORLDS") ... ;)

      greetings,
      Atia

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    5. NF just did a simple mistake.

      That's not because you can see a picture of a new product that you know everything that's going on in GW.

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    6. @GreySeerZ

      Gut feeling based on past GW's approaches hasn't worked for a few years.

      That's why rumours are important, because the only thing predictable about GW is that they aren't predictable and aren't doing "patterns" that allow you to guess the future on the basis of the past.

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    7. Nf is better then Steve the warboss who is mostly wrong but he definitely isn't reliable either.
      Most rumour mongers are just following Hastings original rumours with thier own educated guesses.

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    8. @Samuel Sanchez

      So we're basically assuming the info in the post above are guesses, not rumors in the original sense of the word (i.e. leaked information from a source in the know)?

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    9. I have no problem with NF, I take his silence for the the past while as admittance of being wrong. He was only stating what he knew at the time. Glad you're back NFury.

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    10. My comments regarding the eldar and sm codex releases were directly related to a conversation i had with a publishing executive who claimed the base/core codexs were considered done for the forseeable future.. if you talked to a person of authority from a business about their plans for future product releases you would most certainly believe them over some random persons on the internet.. i have no reason not to trust their word on it.. however they could have been speaking about it knowing these new codex were the ones being referenced. indeed my claims about new codex releases were incorrect but its very subjective. my information comes from rather high up the info chain and i stand by them.

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    11. what people have to understand is we may act a certain way but no one really knows who anyone else knows, it is not what you know but whom your connected to. i am the least likely monger out there to have hits and mostly misses but blatantly correct info from people in the know only proves time and time again that what they essentially say comes to fruition more than the negative nancies (not an insult- take it how you will, as that is what you will do anyway) doubting, doubting worked before in the past, and having complete trust in something is foolish, but how foolish is it to be proven this year wrong.....i mean really. apply salt as needed but if it happens or not then it is not worth a drama over it (counter claiming i am doing similar is not an argument)

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    12. @Dark Apostle whether your source is right about something has no bearing on the arrogant nature of your posts. We all like good info, but not from an ass.

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    13. ^ your personal opinion has no bearing whatsoever on anything so i guess we are equal.

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    14. Really? Is that why you keep responding and are reading this right now? Keep it up little buddy....

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    15. did your comment have any bearing beside being worthy of a reply? nope. good try but do try harder.

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  3. Tzeeeeeeeeeeeeeeentch!! I hope that part is true. Since when is dark apostle a rumourist?

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  4. Space Marine assault squad is officially sold out on the games workshop webstore. (So is the adeptus astartes strike force).

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  5. I was thinking yesterday how a Tzeentch Daemonkin book could work. Well obviously MOT on everything (Daemon Engines with 4++!!!) but maybe give every unit Psyker/Broterhood/Pilot USR?

    Would that be too overpowered?... Wait, this is Chaos, we need it! I can also see all Psykers getting access to both Tzeentch power tables. I just Hope Ahriman and Kairos are both in the book!

    I don't know, that's just what I would like/expect to see. What about you guys?

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    1. Need new tzeentch powers.. need div.. need to lift requirement for crappy tzeentch power.. need help with malefic.. thatd be nice

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    2. Honestly I'd just kill to have a sorcerer coven back (you used to be able to take units of sorcerers way back in the day). Think seer council, but a bunch of twisted, evil, mutation swinging, power armored bad-a**es.

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    3. Good lord if there is a sorcerer coven I will flip.. I don't see any new units though unfortunately if the Khorne book is anything to go by..

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    4. The Thrall Wizard bands from "Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned" would be nice.

      Chaos is supposed to be raw power. That's been the theme since the Realm of Chaos books. Unfortunately GW forgot that bit during 4th edition.

      Chaos Space Marines and Daemons should have the powerful units in the game. You should have to pay a hefty fee in points, but those options should exist if you want them. Cheap, numerous cultists and mutants should be there to catch the bullets for the expensive tough guys (if you choose to kit them out that way).

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    5. If they follow the way Khorne Daemon Kin works the Daemon engines (defiler/heldrake/maulerfiend/forgefiend/soulgrinder) would have a 5+ invun with re-rolls on "1s"
      The daemonic marine units (Obliterators/Possessed/Warp Talons/Mutilators- p.s where are the K.D. Mutilators?)
      would have a 4+ invun with re-rolls "1"s and only cost what they do now with the MoT.

      Full psychic list for powers would be good too.

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    6. I think everything in the Khorne book got Mark of Khorne, even Daemon Engines. If the same happens with Tzeentch then it will be a 4++, which to be honest is good but not OP.

      I can see Kairos (hopefully) Lord of Change and a new version (maybe with access to a strength D spell???) army wide Psyker (which works fluff wise) would mean Daemons EVERYWHERE and with no limit on how many GD's you could spawn so make use of small cultist blobs.

      As for a new powers chart, it's unlikely as there are already 2 Tzeentch ones and GW likes to copy paste. I can however see better access to BRB powers. It would be nice to see an army that does most of its damage in the Psychic phase, with average shooting and lacking in CC with the exception of Force Weapons. (Would complement Khorne armies nicely.

      I just want Ahriman to get access to Flickering Fire, cuz his current shooting powers aren't that good!

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    7. Engines have DoK, not MoK

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    8. "I just Hope Ahriman and Kairos are both in the book!"
      Given that Skulltaker was the only Khorne Special character to make it into Daemonkin I would er on the side of probably not. As far as Fluff reasons go I'm under the impression that Ahriman likely would NOT be a part of a Daemonkin codex, leaving it more of a question as to which Tzeentch Daemon special characters make it in.

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    9. Kairos definately should because he has a model. The Blue Scribes will probably be in but if they leave any out it will probably be Ahriman and The Changeling unfortunately.

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    10. What i really want to happen:
      1) new psychic tables to choose from and access to all the BRB tables. It is a god of magic tzeentch damn it!

      2) a formation that would enhance psychic's somehow.

      3) a command formation of sorcerers/heralds.

      4) no stupid daemonic instability, so i can combine daemon/non-daemon units.

      5) new rules for changeling pls!!! He is such a cool character but standard herald just does the job better... Rest of the characters: Ahriman/blue scribes/ fateweaver have great rules already. |And yeah i really want them all to be in the new book.

      6) flaming chariots for sorcerers! :D that would be so badass. And there cant be an escuse that there are no model that has a sorcerer and a chariot, as there is no model that has a sorcerer on a disk either...

      7) flamers, a small buff to them would be good, as right now they are worth taking in small units or even just summoned to deal wiith infantry... Maybe something to increase the power if the squad gets bigger

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    11. they will add a new daemon character for the campaign this is one of the objectives for the DA to kill off before a mighty Lord of Change is summoned also it is a great wizard/psyker consider it to be Ahriman but in daemon form, or that is the fluff more or less for that model. not sure on release time. picture i was sent is of a model that is not a kitbash or a conversion, new sculpt.

      it is not the alleged LOC model, this is in addition to the LOC.

      only saw daemon character picture. awaiting image for LOC.

      disbelieve until it releases you will anyway. (or some will, others will just apply a healthy dose of salt and appreciate the info's nonetheless)

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    12. I think fateweaver is gone as we will have a new LOC model

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    13. hmm... it would be much easier to make fateweaver out of the LOC than skarbrand out of the bloodthirster. Essentially an extra head, maybe some extra bitz to represent hi being physically less strong than the rest of the LOCs, but not that many. Scarbrand needed two axes and a set of torn wings. plus his pose is charging, no leaping...

      That gives me hope that fatey is still there in the new book =)

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    14. Skarbrand also didn't have a model that a lot of people use. Best case scenario, he's part of the new kit, worst case he is removed or becomes WD rules.

      As for formations, I'd expect one to be just multiple sorcerers with a buff to their psychic ability such as re-roll psychic tests, generate an extra D6 WC points or even count abilities as 1 WC point less to cast them (to a minum of 1)

      @Dark Apostle

      IF YOU HAVE PICS, SHARE THEM!!!

      Even if its just a out of focus/ glared image.

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  6. A new tzeentch psyker table would be cool

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  7. A new tzeentch psyker table would be cool

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  8. Would have loved to see Wolves get frost cannons for their Fangs etc

    Really wish they'd always do the marine codex before any other marine codex.

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    1. Never gonna happen. Someone needs to play guinea pig for their poster boys

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  9. I am the only one thinking the “marine based faction with chaos upgrade sprue” could be a fallen subfaction? The character could be a new cypher model, i know we got dataslate cypher but the fallen are just chaos chosen with ATSKNF,it could easily be expanded on,would also explain the dark angels tactical squad rumours (and that its not rumoured to be coming with the codex) also the last book in the legacy of caliban series is due to come out sometime this year and features fallen quite a bit,its even possible (due to the ancientness of the fallen) that this could be where the plastic 30k rumours come from. I don`t know,alllll speculation and wishlisting :p

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    1. Fallen Dark Angels models would be a ton of fun. That would set up very intense games when the rumoured "Hunt the Fallen" rules are in play.

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  10. Chaos Space Marines update sounds a bit weird for a very specific reason - we have a Khorne Daemonkin book that uses all profiles from 6th ed codex. If they release CSM codex, Khorne becomes redundant. If they release Tzeentch daemonkin, then CSM and daemons are redundant for at least one more year, since those codices are 6 edition. They don't fit the trend of cheapening that happened throughout 7th edition releases.

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    1. Trends mean nothing to GW. If they want to invalidate the Khorne Daemonkin codex next month, or next year, or whenever, they will do it while turning a deaf ear to your complaints.

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    2. You need only look at Codex Eldar 6E, followed up in the following edition with Codex Eldar Craftworlds to see that can be ruled out.

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    3. Eldar did not have a child codex. They did have Iyanden, sure, but it was a supplement and we know that supplements dissapear after their parent codex is re-released.
      But what of Khorne?

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    4. Maybe these Daemonkin books are testing the waters in preparation of a larger release, seeing what works? If they come out with a new CSM/Daemons codex and say "You can use the dataslates in here combined with the formation rules in the Daemonkin books, ignoring the dataslates in those books." would that be so much of a problem?

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    5. Khorne daemonkin is set up such that it's an entirely standalone book. And really, if they don't change profiles and point costs and focus changes on things not in KD (VotLW upgrades, for example) it's not that hard to believe.

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    6. @Unahim doesn't seem likely. Think they would just release KD v2 shortly after updating daemons and CSM.

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    7. do you need CSM or CD books to play KD at all? If not I can see them removeing CD altogether

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  11. With the daemonkin books, if they are all released then do we need a daemon codex. It does seem a bit odd that they are trying to get units only in one book, but then Potentially a chaos space marine could be in five books? ??

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    1. Karanak is missing from the Daemonkin codex, so it seems they're at the very least leaving out some special characters that can only be accessed via either the CSM or Daemons codex.
      As far as unit entries for Chaos Space Marines go, that'd be two more than current tactical marines...

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    2. Well karanak is a named bloodthirster so they maybe removing him and the fincast model

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    3. no skarbrand is the named bloodthirster, karanak is the named three headed flesh hound of khorne. Essentially a Cerberus

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    4. Ahh my mistake I don't play khorne

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  12. With the daemonkin books, if they are all released then do we need a daemon codex. It does seem a bit odd that they are trying to get units only in one book, but then Potentially a chaos space marine could be in five books? ??

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    1. That's what I am thinking one per God and one godless book

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    2. Or is a an all gods book i.e. Chaos Undivided ;P

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    3. I was thinking a no daemon book that way it's harder to play God's that hate one another

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  13. Relevant:

    thank you Natfka for giving the credit (i appreciate it). if it comes to fruition (it will, but might be delayed, as per usual to throw us all off track) i am happy to supply what i could add what i have here (which is confirmation of NF and what Atia are providing, the person i talked to recently confirmed with pictures i have not seen before). if not then i am still happy that you gave me some credit with this.

    kinda relevant:
    know i am over my BS here. i won't be starting or be involved with drama any more.

    directly relevant:
    if i hear anything else then i hope to be able to get more info's in the future or be able to confirm or corroborate on rumor/news.

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  14. Remember when the rumours for the campaign were Sisters and Marines vs Birdy.
    Now it's DA (and maybe Mars) vs Birdy.
    So what happened to all the rumoured Sisters then?

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    1. bogus. fake. unreal. never happening. my source told me to buy metal sisters as they will not update those models. along the lines of "not interested"....whoever said otherwise is trolling people. same as they do every year.

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