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  1. Very very nice. Hell brute looks amazing

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    1. Hellbrute still looks lie a dread though to me

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    2. The more I look, the more the details look off. It looks a bit too comic splatter, and the central structure is almost '80s Saturday morning cartoon.

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    3. I bet that hell-brute is just chaos-infested dreadnought, just at those ragged edges around its daemonic head as if was blown by inner tension. Wonder about that daemon creature stats, it looks like it supposed to counter-balance entire terminator squad. I wished to see some unique raptors models (to counter-balance bike-squad), but c'est la vie, now I hope for same details level raptors to be released in September!

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    4. I still expect that thing to be AV 12. If it's an AV 12 walker, with a fist and a multi-melta, then it's a dreadnought. A very pretty dreadnought, but one none the less.

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    5. Yeah, but I'm assuming its not a straight-up dread. Maybe a daemonic dread or something.

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    6. I'd be surprised if the Hellbrute was an entry in the Codex all on its own.

      I wouldn't be surprised if it was an upgraded form of a Dreadnought, like a Possessed dread or something, some option that has a point value that makes your dread extra chaosy, perhaps with regenerating hull points and immunity to shaken or stunned results, or the ability to regrow blown off weapons.

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    7. Maybe its a uniqe dread
      Makes sence for GW to Limit the amount of use you get from DV Box.

      My guess is MC with 2+ sv

      Or maybe some gimicy rules like repair ?

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    8. Maybe the Hellbrute is what happens when a dreadnought catches the Obliterator virus. If rumours be true then GW is already expanding the idea with close combat versions, could this be a big daddy walker version? It looks too organic to be 'just' a SUPA daemon-y dread to me. Of course maybe this is just me wishing there was a way to make an Obliterator army... take that Paladins! :P
      Oh... maybe next edition? xD

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    9. hellbrute is pretty much just a dread with 'demon' special rule so = 5+inv and a few other quirky things. Defilers also count as demons now so they will have a 5+ inv too

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  2. About time.

    So all we're waiting for now are the rest of the DA stuff and confirmation of Chaos Marines in September or not.

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    1. The CSM Codex will be spoiled literally 1 week after this boxed set drops.

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  3. Holy shit.
    I don't even care about the balance at this point. Those new sculpts are GLORIOUS.

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  4. Nice Chosen! I like. THe Helbrute is interesting but the cultists are far better by far than what they put out ten years ago hands down. The old pewter cultist can even hold a candle to these. Right on GW!

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    1. What's interesting is that in structure and texture there's not much new here, and they look like they could have been put out ten years ago. Plus the proportions are a bit inconsistent, almost as if they're the work of different sculptors or different models were sculpted at different times. Could some of thes have been waiting the best part of a decade for release? We know things do get put on hold.

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    2. I'm talking about the cultists of course.

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    3. You are still a moron Porky. No matter where you post, you are negative, wrong, wrong, and wrong.

      There is TONS different at close inspection (since I can say I've done so, you can't) between these and anything they've done for cultists EVER.

      Just stop. Unplug your keyboard and stop.

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    4. I'm with porky, look like necromunda cawdor gangers to me. Ah!!!! Necromunda, now that was a game! But reminiscence aside, are they new? Are they old? Who gives a monkeys? They'll do! I feared a re hash of daft skirt wearing goons.

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    5. Agreed! They do look like Necromunda but they also look like beautiful new sculpts to me.

      And they are , imo, the kind of non armored figures that the game lacks. Of course there are IG but the figures are getting old except for a few new ones.

      Those cultists alone would lead to Chaos even though I promised myself I wouldn't.
      Speak of weak resolves... ^_-

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    6. I think it is great they look kinda Necro (I'm going to use them for that too). Old school is better then the Storm Talon school. Which negative bacon complains about the Helbrute.

      I'm just grateful nothing looks anime or soda pop.

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  5. The more and more I look at that librarian the more I think that is Ezekiel.

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    1. They wouldn't do a character in plastic. Plus Ezekiel's sword looks different, he has full on robes rather than tabbard, his bionic eye is his other eye and he has a back banner.

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    2. You mean like Karl Franz? Oh wait...

      You mean like the Swarmlord? Oh wait...

      It's not like they could never do him differently than he was depicted before. Oh wait...

      I just imagine the old characters will stay...old. It's sad but true. Look at Dante, Mephiston, Corbulo, Logan, Ragnar, Ulrik, Bjorn, Stern, etc. It will have nothing to do with whether or not they are willing to make them plastic.

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    3. But look at the Franz and Swarmlord kits.
      Franz and the Swarmlord are each an optional build - the Franz kit can build a Griffon with a captain dude or an Amber Wizard, and the Swarmlord kit can make a footslogging Tyrant or a Flyrant.

      Oh, and they're monsters. GW couldn't release them as Finecast, or they wouldn't sell as well.

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  6. holy shiz again. cannot wait. so then the hell brute will not replace the current crazed dread?

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  7. http://i.imgur.com/dcwEG.jpg

    You're welcome.

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    1. updating as fast as I can of course....:)

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    2. And we love you for it Natfka :3

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    3. Well that does it, I have to buy this set now...curse you!

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    4. The next 6-7 posts very much done. A lot of rumors coming in, (not all related to the starter set), so will get to those later.

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    5. Guy on Reddit with White Dwarf says he didn't see anything about Chaos Marines in September, but he also said that it looks like they're only showcasing part of what they're releasing. We still don't have a picture of the last pages or anything, so who knows?

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    6. Also, the box itself: http://imgur.com/8MtnE

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    7. I am trying to find out regarding the codex. Thanks for the link... updated.

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    8. And this is apparently the last page in the WD... http://imgur.com/HD4We

      No mention of Chaos Marine Codex, no Chaos Marine Codex teaser, just a Dark Angels dude. Could we all be wrong? Could it be that Dark Angels are getting the first Codex of 6th edition, and Chaos must wait even longer?

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    9. I am disappoint, DrBored.

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    10. Regarding the last page of WD:

      WTF. Yay for you DA guys. So much for CSM in September.

      Go go gadget Imperium gears.

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    11. What's hilarious about this is that the DA models look subpar. They're just some tac marines with a few characters that look like all the other Space Marines. Only the Chaplain really stands out, and he just looks like another Chaplain. On the Chaos side you have tons of new models, new concepts, new designs and styles. Every unique model is a breath of fresh Chaosy air.

      And yet no mention of a CSM Codex? Just don't seem right.

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    12. I think someone has been pulling our leg with CSMs.

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    13. Likely, but let's look at what we know.

      GW likes to put small finecast waves in between bigger releases as a way to spread out their releases while always having *something* new coming out. Look at the recent LOTR Finecast wave (and the very meh Bray Shaman that came out a little before). It's not groundbreaking, but GW released it to fill in the hole between the Chaos Daemons wave and the release of the new Starter Set.

      We know that the Starter Set is hitting the street September 1st (or was it 8th?). Next week is preorders for some finecrap on the 8th, which will probably release on the 15th. Then what? There's another 15 days of September and there's nothing else?

      Methinks we'll start seeing more Chaos Marines stuff as we get into September, and closer to the 15th.

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    14. Natfka, are the posts you have coming up all rumours or will we be seeing some more white dwarf picks/info on the CSM codex?

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    15. You guys are panicking over nothing. CSM will be spoiled, in full, before this starter set has even made all of its rounds.

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  8. [img]http://img.tapatalk.com/d5cde0bf-884f-458c.jpg[/img]

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  9. For source it was another or the same anon who posted the others on 4chan/tg.

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  10. not sure about chaos in September. those fincast models are set for release on the 15th.

    Hellbrute looks amazing as do the chosen, am looking forward to this :)

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    1. It's a pretty small finecast release though.

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    2. yea only six models, they could squeeze them in with a chaos release i imagine, here hoping :)

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    3. Oh definitely. Remember the massive Space Marine Finecast Wave? that was all on its own, but these could be done in tandem with other stuff. If GW is planning on this little finecast bit and the starter set being it for the whole month of September... well... they are silly.

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    4. Oh just throw the finecast shit in with the Chaos/Starter set. It's really an after thought compared all these juicy stuff.

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  11. I kinda wish more of those cultists were aiming rather then standing at rest.

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    1. Psh, cultists aim? Nah man, they've gotta earn that BS3.

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    2. Yeah. That really reduces the cinematic fell of battles when your units are just "hanging around" at the battlefield.

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  12. Chaos is going to an awesome direction sculptwise:) Not that I could afford starting a chaos army lol.

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  13. Figures are just astonishing, but there are 2 identical Chosen and DW termies, speaking not about some identical SMs and cultists, wtf? GW couldn't create slightly different models? Unbelievable.

    P.S. Would like to know if Limited Edition set contain some unique Chaos mini as well.

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    1. Box only contains limited edition Chaplain. Also, it's still a starter box, can't expect everything to be 100% unique.

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    2. Thanks to DrBored for box picture, no more questions on Limited Edition content.

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    3. Yes... Seems lazy on their part, but I'll figure a way to convert the extra.

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    4. I can understand that point for sure. For me it just means more opportunities for conversion 8)

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    5. yes, when creating a very specific set of sprues where every single model is fitted on the sprue together with disparate armies and models like a puzzle, and ease of building is paramount, madness that they would have to use 2 of the same sculpt!

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    6. There are 3 identical Space Marines doubled up as well! tsk tsk GW

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    7. Get over it I remeber when all the Orks in 2nd ed were the same crappy plasitc models with only one pose. the models are awesome, stop looking for things to B*^$( About.

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    8. Damn right man! Such negative vibes etc etc.

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  14. Our patience was rewarded :)

    Abaddon to the corpse Emperor:"When the Imperium is in ashes...you have my permission to die."

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    1. Patience? I've been gnawing on my leash for three months now!

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  15. So glad my marine chapter uses DA veteran models as I can now just add the starter set stuff to my collection.

    The cultists look damned good.

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  16. C-c-c-c-c-c-chaos space marines rumors? I hope Natfka blindsides us in the next few days.

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  17. Chosen are the best looking imo

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  18. I hope cultists are not statterset only...want some for my necron Machine cult!

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  19. How can their still be WD leaks?

    Was the rumor about tighter gripp on leaks wrong?

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    1. I guess theory and practice seems pretty evident here lol

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  20. WD are still received in shipping centers around this time. People with access to that stuff post it anonymously.

    If it gets traced, heads will roll, but if it cannot be traced then what can GW do, really?

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  21. My money is spent, it just doesn't know it yet.

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  22. Anyone got a price on this set yet?

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  23. Hi all, the price is shown as 85 Euros, 7 more than for Assault on Black Reach, so I'm guessing it'll be 65 or so Pounds. Not bad!

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    1. but 85 euro limited or normal?

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    2. looks like that it be 85 for both, having the limited means lot of money gets spend fast.

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  24. Anyone else notice Red 'Mechanicus' style gears on all the Cultists?

    My fanboyometer is off the scale.

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    1. 8 pointed star of chaos...

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    2. Fairly sure thats just the chaos undivided symbol as it does have 8 points.

      -Dahlvash

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  25. Taking this boxset as already bought I'm starting to worry about balance as if I'm going to play this game, lol. But I can't stop thinking that SM forces are having upper hand over Chaos from the points perspective.

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  26. It looks like no new Chaos Codex this month... damn, I was really looking forward to playing with the Cultists and the Hellbrute.

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    1. Yeah, unless Natfka is about to enlighten us. What else could he bring us other than rules for the Starter Set?

      I suspect CSM will be in the WD.

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    2. Either the White Dwarf isn't releasing info on it so that GW can keep it a surprise for later in September, or it's really not coming out at any time that any of the rumors have been suggesting.

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    3. the rules for the cultists and hellbrute, should be in the dark vengence booklet.

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  27. any price released?

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    1. 85 euros, 65 pounds, about 105 dollars.

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    2. limited or normale version?

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    3. They'll be the same price. The difference is a single model.

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    4. no way gw give for free one miniature in limited , :)

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    5. Look at the last White Dwarf. They put the Chaos Daemons leaflet in there at no extra charge.

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  28. The Hellbrute can be played as Cybot and the Chaos Cultist I play without new Codex als allie Imps!

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    1. Les Soldat Marbo and the Toxithrope approve.

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  29. It must be mine! Huzzah!

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  30. Could the Semptember 8th advanced order for finecast stuff be an indication, that Semptember 8th is really the release date of CSM, instead of PreOrder?

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    1. Possible but unlikely. GW tends to put little finecast releases in between bigger releases. It's more a hint that Chaos would be put up a little later... like the 15th.

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  31. Why do so many people post anonymously here? At least use the name option so we can track who's saying what to who.

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    1. It's a fa/tg/guy thing ;)

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    2. Haaah, I see what you did there.

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    3. I didn't realise there was such an overlap, but then this place is much busier these days, that's for sure.

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    4. Honestly didn't know you could use anything other than "Anonymous" without logging in. Now I know, though. (And knowing is half the battle!).

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    5. @ DrBored - It's probably closer than ca/tg/irl.

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    6. Cos my phone is c%&p and I quite frankly can't be bothered!

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  32. Just like the "Anonymous" person who answered questions about the CSM codex?

    That could have been any one of us chiming in.

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    1. Exactly. Then again, non-account names wouldn't be a guarantee, from our end. And the anonymous option should always be there - some people need to be nameless for more serious reasons than leaks.

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    2. Thanks for that.

      I do enjoy posting anon for rumor control but I do post on the site under a name for regular stuff. I just want to keep being able to get info and not get anyone in trouble. :)

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    3. I can verify the anon above is telling the truth. There are several valid reasons for posting anonymous.

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    4. Yeah its to protect the fact that i leaked these pics and have the csm dex. :P

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    5. If true give us the cover image of the CSM-Dex! ;P

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  33. Those Chaos will look nice painted up as Word Bearers. :D

    Also, here's rough itemized list of cost (based on US GW prices from website), with some assumptions:

    - chaos lord $15
    - helbrute $60
    - chosen $35
    - cultists x2 $58
    - DA master $15
    - DA librarian $15
    - DA chaplain $15
    - DA terminators $50
    - DA tactical squad $38
    - DA bikes $41

    Total: $342

    That's some good savings! Now maybe we can lower the cost a bit, because the models don't have the versatility of multi-part kits. But even if we cut off $50-100 for that, the set is still a massive saving. So it would be well worth it to get two boxes for the core of a decent army.

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    1. Even if the box is 150 dollars it's worth it. You're also forgetting to add in the value of the mini rulebook, and I think it also comes with dice and templates, and a little whippy stick that you can torture your cats with.

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    2. Yeah but they're clip-together pieces and lacking in options and the tech needed to create these models are less expensive to use and manufacture.

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    3. Cats just love the stick dude! Sends em loopy!

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  34. The Hellbrute looks like a dreadnought where the metal has come to life. I hope this is the case as the irony would be fabulous.

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    1. Not sure if "did something there", but will say "I see what you did there" anyways.

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  35. The hell brute looks freakin' beautiful and the ravenwing look promising for DA's to give a new biker box set (their bolters are new and modern) and those TacMarines actually DO look as if they're in motion. And the cultists... WTF they are all completely different! Something I could never GW credit for thinkin' of even doing that. Deathwing dude with AC looks like such a badass!! Oh god I've become a fangirl *waves hands in face*

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    1. But I'm pissed they're releasing the chaplain as a limited edition, hope I can buy him off ebay for a good price

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  36. The first Cultist looks like Bane or is that just me xD

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  37. *drools* Shut up and take my money!!!

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    1. I know that feel. I'm splitting four boxes with three different people. Approximately 80 cultists off the bat, 4 hellbrutes and 24 chosen? Hell yeah

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  38. I wish I could stop.

    Alright, from the first picture, I'm just gunna try and decipher the names there...

    Kranon the Relentless
    It almost looks like the next one is... 'Most Metalicious Hellbrute'
    Then... Draxnight's Ravagers

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    1. Mortis Melikus Hellbrute

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  39. Very nice stuff, I wonder if the hellbrute is very posable, though. Doesn't seem like it, judging by the picture.
    That Chosen with the maul is just begging to be used as a HQ, considering his pose and all.
    Hmm, DA are solid too. While I don't particularly need them, I suspect converting them for my vanilla marines should be easy enough. I just hope the shoulderpads are removable.

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    1. Probably not too poseable, but with some green stuff work and a little inspiration, I'm sure we'll see plenty of conversions out of it.

      What I'm liking is that you can have 4 different Lords out of those Chosen... Cut off the Plasma Pistol on the first lord and give him a regular Bolt Pistol, then you've got a Lord with a Power Sword, a Lord with a Power Axe, a Lord with a Power Fist, and a Lord with a Power Maul, and finally a Lord with dual Lightning Claws so you can satisfy whatever need you have for your Lord or squad leaders.

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    2. Step 1: Buy Starter Set
      Step 2: Assemble Models
      Step 3: Discard most models while painting a single bolter Chosen up in Thousand Sons colors.
      Step 4: Forever alone.

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  40. The Chaos models look simply amazing.
    With the finecast wave on the 8th I guess there will be no chaos dex in september? Because I doubt they will release an army without WD coverage.

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    1. You'd be surprised. Even if the dex was coming out in October, there still would have been a White Dwarf teaser. Either no Chaos Dex at all till later than that, or they're keeping a lid on it.

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  41. I may be dribbling faster than I can make more dribble! To much EXCITEMENT!!!!!!!M

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  42. We have seen the hellbrute long before this! It's on one of the covers of some dark angel black library book/audio.

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  43. "Via Anonymous Poster on 4chan/tg"

    No problem.

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  44. I had a feeling the Hellbrute would essentially be a giant oblitorater, and I am not disappointed!

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  45. In the first picture of this post you can see part of the army list page for these units, looks very similar in layout to the chinese leaks from a while back so I'm guessing those were real.

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  46. I think I figured out why there's no Chaos Marine stuff in here besides the starter set.

    If they let people know that Chaos was getting new stuff, it might cut into the sales they'll get from people wanting to buy things with the starter set for Chaos Marines, or if people knew that different or better Cultists were coming out in a box on their own, people might be less inclined to buy the whole box for 100+ dollars and would just get a box of cultists for 30 dollars.

    That's gotta be it...

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  47. Stats of the Hellbrute: ws4 bs4 s6 i4 a3 Armour: f12 s12 r10 hp3

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    1. Wait does that mean as it has a power fist not dread cc weapon then it's attacks are destroyer? Because mostly when a models strength exceeds 10 then it gains destroyer S6x2=12? Might not be right but it would be AWSOME!!! :D

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  48. I think maybe the big story here is what is happening w/ the codex!!!! Im worried about the purported release date.

    @drbored your explanation seems reasonable i hope its true

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  49. They may not mention the CSM codex here but all the rumours about this starter set seem to have been true, and they came from the same source as the rumours regarding the CSM, release dates and all.....

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    1. One thing I wonder is if the source just eard something out on the 8th and assumed csm when it was just finecast.

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    2. No, already checked with the source. The Date seems to be solid for CSM.

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    3. Natfka, thank you sir for the reassurance haha the next week and half of waiing is going to be killer.

      Edit: two werks?

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    4. Also Much thanks to your source/ this site

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    5. Thanks for the check Natfka, I was beginning to lose faith in the Dark Gods!

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  50. They may not mention the CSM codex here but all the rumours about this starter set seem to have been true, and they came from the same source as the rumours regarding the CSM, release dates and all.....

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    1. You have a good point, my friend.

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  51. Damn ive just been able to slightly afford to get back into crons and now my first love of chaos is back.... Oh my wallet weeps out of need....

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  52. Would GW hold onto the CSM dex and release it or at least announce it at UK Games Day - 23rd Sept - without any preview in WD?

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  53. I think its all Trolling and there is no new Chaos dex.

    Yo Natfka!...you wanna clear up this matter or what? put everyone out of there misery by telling them that there is no Chaos in September and October is now DA.

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  54. He said something about having the next 6-7 posts ready to show on the site.

    I can't wait to see what they are!

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    1. Ive got lots of rumor sets to go. I will get some going here soon.

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    2. Soon as in 'in a few minutes'? :D
      Please?

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  55. So the rumors surrounding chaos marines may have been false, if the pics aren't up here there not out yet then. Unless someone lucky enough to have the white dwarf can prove me wrong. Oh well these still look tainted as hell.

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  56. People seem to be missing evidence right in front of their eyes. The hellbrute, according to the picture, is armed with a powerfist. This would imply that it is a monstrous creature and not a walker.

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  57. Logic, the moon rune leak as well as many rumours suggest it's a walker. Just because it's a powerfist means nothing.

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  58. The models look amazing, the chosen look way better than I expected. However, I'm going to want the rules first. The CC cultists might be useless compared to the autogun ones, and the Hellbrute might just be another AV 12 dread, who has no hopes of doing anything.

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  59. Constantly refreshig waiting for more news... Props to natfka! Midels look awesome not a fan of te head on the hellbrute bit the rest of it is awesome

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  60. I want CHAOS IN SEPTEMBER DAMNIT! I won't have any nails or hair left if they push it beyond that month.

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  61. I mixed in the balanced sections. Those cultist will go down to mass shooting. Sv6? Ha! The hellbrute is nice but i1? Eek! Oh but the Chaos lord is...AP3! :(

    Sad. Then only 6 Chosen? Not enough imo.

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  62. Of course the cultists go down to mass shooting... They're 4 points a model. Also the hellbrute won't be i1. It's a walker, and walkers don't count unwieldy when using fists. The DA hq is only ap3 as well. Plus the lord can take daemon weapons.

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    1. Ah mustve missed dat about walkers

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    2. It's still unbalanced to fuck, no doubt. Gotta let kids getting into the game beat the bad guys with their spess mehreens

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    3. I dunno that hellbrute might pummel those termie's.

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  63. Looks like deathwing still has 5 man limitation

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  64. Daemon weapons ap2 or ap3?

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    1. Unknown so far. There was a rumour about daemon weapons, and they retain the basic profile of what type they are (axe, sword, maul, etc) with bonuses.

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  65. Really sucks that GW is the last place I look for GW news and release info.

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  66. get some of these:

    http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440213a&prodId=prod1860240


    And suddenly you can field a full Chaos army.

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  67. Would I be alone in saying that I think the lightning-claw chosen looks a bit World of Warcraft Tier-Armor inspired?

    Only a touch, but I definitely see semblance of inspiration there.

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  68. Refreshing so often waiting for these new posts keep it commin natfka!

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  69. Oh wow, Eldar get three more finecast models. Snooze. I'm really disappointed GW have gone for two MEQ armies in the starter pack, even though the cultists look great.

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    1. 100% agree, they should just change the name of the game from Warhammer to Space Marine.

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    2. I hoped for CSM vs Eldar SS till the last moment as well.

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  70. Yay for small rulebook! All the other stuff is just space-filler...

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  71. Would I be alone in saying that I think the lightning-claw chosen looks a bit World of Warcraft Tier-Armor inspired?

    Only a touch, but I definitely see semblance of inspiration there.

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  72. Question: do those look like transfers on their shoulder pads (the tac squad) or are those custom shoulders (3d wings) my main concern is that I collect salamanders and I would really like another troop choice. Could be a win-win situation if that's the case (because I can't wait to drool while I paint cultists) and Ty Natfka for your uber posts!!

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    1. I think that the dark angel wings are sculpted onto the shoulder pads and on the terminators

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  73. Will there be advance orders for all the eldar phoenix lords in finecast?

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  74. Pumped for the starter set beyond words...does anyone perchance know how "limited" the limited edition is going to be? There has been a sign up sheet at my FLGS for a couple of months for starter set orders and I am signed up for a couple of these bad boys. I guess since the limited edition rulebooks sold out before my FLGS was even able to get any, I am worried I won't be able to get that sweet chaplain. Any news or thoughts?

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  76. The terminator sergeant looks like a good Belial miniature if you were to create a 1st company dark angels army.

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  77. As far as I can tell, the Dark Angel characters could make most of the specials. The Company Commander is armed pretty much like Azreal, the Librarian looks like Ezekiel and the Terminator sergeant looks like a "basic" Belial. Although a TH/SS Belial is the better option, esp for 6th ed.

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