Now we have the fluff and background of this new unit. I have taken the background, the information from earlier, and the latest additional bits and put them all in one location. So have fun.... Your going to enjoy this one.


via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)

Hellbrute (background/fluff) paraphrased
They were mighty and honorable warriors interred in the powerful and venerable dreadnought chasis during their former slavery to the Imperium.  A side effect of insanity was a known feature of Dreadnoughts.  To counter this, standard operating procedures on Dreadnoughts is to keep them in stasis between service, so that they see life as one constant battle, only awake in times of great need and focus, but Hell brutes get no such reprieve.

Without the cold embrace of nothingness that makes the years and decades between war pass in the blink of an eye, they are driven mad. The rage of a mind essentially trapped within his walking sarcophagus, simultaneously his freedom and prison tears at the very fabric of his sanity and it is expressed through monstrous transformation and mutation.

Some believe that when enough service has been rendered and enough blood has been shed and victories won in the name of the Dark Gods, these once mighty warriors will be elevated to Greater Daemons and once again walk the earth of dead worlds with their own two feet.


Earlier Information
I just want to clarify that while it is listed as having a Power Fist and not a Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, because it is a Walker it does not suffer from the Unwieldy special rule, that's why it's simplified in the codex entry.

120 points

It's 12/12/10
Str 6, ws 4, bs4, i4

Multi-Melta / Power Fist (with inbuilt combi-bolter)

can swap the Multi-Melta for a butcher-cannon, or twin reaper auto cannons (which is pretty cool, since that's an entire riflemen in one arm, but with less range), twin-linked lascannon or a twin-linked heavy flamer.
can swap combi-bolter for a meltagun or heavy flamer

Has rampage

Mark of Khorne: Rage USR
Mark of Nurgle: 5+ restore a hull point OR repair immobilized / weapon destroyed at the start of a turn.  Does not let it get back up after having been killed unlike Unholy Vigor.
Mark of Slaanesh: Sonic scream, gives it offensive/defensive grenades
Mark of Tzeench: flame weapons (if it has any) are +1 strength and -1 AP (heavy flamers are AP3... whaaaat)


New Information
Some stuff I left out (it was late, I was tired)

You can change the shooty arm for a Power Fist.  The power fist doesn't have an inbuilt weapon though so you can't get another flamer or meltagun on it.  This upgrade is free.

The autocannon is low points cost, the butcher cannon is moderate, the lascannon is expensive and the twin-flamer is free.

It's also still crazed, but crazed works differently now.

If you get fire frenzy, you double shot at the closest enemy target, not closest target.  Only if there are no enemies in range do you shoot a friendly target (twice).  If nothing is STILL in range, you treat it as blood rage instead. (so upgrade your stuff to flamers and give it another power fist if you always want it ANGRY)

Blood Rage makes the Hellbrute have to move towards the closest target.  Rolls 2d6 to run (pick the highest) and can charge, and must charge, the closest target within 12". (rolled as normal).  If immobilized, you treat as a Fire Frenzy.

Dark Apostles make Blood Rage results more likely to happen if they are nearby (but you risk the albeit now unlikely fire frenzy to the face).

They're not infected with the same virus as Obliterators.

It's not a daemon, and does not have the daemon USR


The fluff entry also mentions that some Hell Brutes are not as mutated as others, and more closely resemble their dreadnought kin, but to make no mistake they are just as insane.

(So you can still use your old models if you have them.  The hellbrute is just the evolution of the whole "style" for the new CSM, which is a lot less "space marine with spikes" and a lot more something unique).





69 Comments:

  1. That sounds pretty rocking. I definitely see a few of these hitting my 1k sons army.

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  2. Dear god. Give that thing a butcher cannon and get fire frenzy and the enemy is eating 8 str 8 shots. Don't see why you wouldn't take the auto cannon though. Just as many shots at str 7 but twin linked. 8 twin linked str 7 shots... God. Or even better. MoT and the heavy flamer. Str 6 ap 3 assault 2 flamer if you roll fire frenzy.

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  3. So Helbrutes are the Chaos versions of Dreadnoughts then?

    So there is no seperate entry for Dreads and Helbrutes?

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    1. That would appear to be the case based on this information, but who knows for sure.

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    2. Maybe it's the CSM version of an ironclad or venerable? Still a dread, just an upgrade. That's my best guess.

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    3. It seems that this is so. I don't mind. It's the same statline and you can use the same models, or you can mutate them up.

      Pretty excited about this. Glad they changed things around with the Fire Frenzy so it's not so dangerous to take these. Current dreads are 100 points, so 20 point increase isn't terrible if they have more weapon and upgrade options...

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    4. Pity its not a Daemon, it looks like it should be one. Perhaps it gets 'Daemonic possession' as an upgrade?

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    5. Yeah, it's very expected to be a daemon engine, but lets wait for official release of hellbrute rules first and whine later 8D

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  4. I've been wanting a demon posessed dreadnought mini ever since reading Chapter's due.
    I'm happy

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    1. Read this thinking WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?!?! Then it clicked ROFL

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  5. As a Space Marines player, CSM were never very interesting to me as they were (or felt) too close to my loyal Marines. Now that this seems to change, I am really tepted to do a CSM force... well done, GW, well done!

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  6. Ah no demonic save bummer. Wonder if we'll get a sorcerer variant.

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  7. The head in that thing is just creepy.

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    1. You mean the "zombie-being-birthed-out-of-a-massive-pulsating-tooth-filled-cha-cha head?

      Agreed. I think I'll cover it up in armor plating.

      I've watched my two sons make a similar entrance into this world and it was not as ugly as this.

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  8. To be honest, the fact that there are a few options still left out bugs me. I'll wait till I see the actual entry in the book, but no mention of Missile Launcher arms and heavy bolter arms makes me a sad puppy. On the other hand, fire frenzy put back to a more manageable design makes me a happy monkey.

    The weapon the thing is equipped with in that image looks alot more like a Butcher Cannon then a Multi-melta to me. That's how I expect most players to play that thing.

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    1. So you are a bipolar monkey-puppy? O_o

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    2. I have the ForgeWorld Decimator. The Butcher Cannon looks like any other auto cannon. It is also not twin linked. That's not a perfect looking astartes melta, but looks like a melta to me.

      If you're rolling your eyes at this, yes, you're right, it doesn't matter.

      And, it's a good point, Maxis: this looks unique enough I think you could get away with proxing it for anything. IN FACT, now that you brought it up, I think I'll maganatize one of the barrels and snap it on when I want a melta - and pop it off what I want a cannon.

      ... not that it matters...

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    3. I have a plasma cannon dread. The old one. I do hope we get a plasma cannon option. I can see getting some guff from nitpicky players over a clear plasma cannon proxying for something else.

      Melta option on the close combat arm I missed the first time around. That sounds outrageously fun.

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    4. Those options won't matter, because the CSM codex in general will be chalk-full of things that use equivalent or better equipment. GW doesn't need to put everything on the walker.

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    5. Thats nice.

      Sooooooo are they gonna give us a refund ion our plasma dreads then?

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    6. My plasma/missle dreads make me want to cry. Should have magnetized them, but, noooo, I had to be a lazy bugger and just glue them on...

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  9. I honestly don't see the huge appeal of the butcher cannon, when you can have a twin auto cannon on one arm. Same amount of shots, one less strength, twin linked, and cheaper.

    Also heavy bolter arms are just not good, so it's not a huge loss.

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    1. That 1 Strength is VERY significant though - to instant kill a Space Marine character, or not to instant kill...

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    2. It's also 36" range on the butcher cannon and 24" range on the reaper.

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    3. Aside what XVRogue mentioned, the butcher cannon allows you to control your Hellbrute a bit better due to Fire Frenzy. The 12 inch makes a difference either you shoot at your enemy or at a friendly unit nearby.

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    4. ...since when is a reaper autocannon 24 inch range?

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    5. My bad, I just double checked the dex. It certainly has the same range as a Butcher Cannon.

      I find it odd it has been mentioned the twin Reaper Autocannon has shorter range than a Rifleman.

      Anyways, I guess the difference would be either wanting to fire 4 S8 shots or 4 TL S7 ones.

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    6. Well it does, loyalist autocannons are 48 inches of range, but not twin linked.

      It seems like the auto cannon choice is better for anti infantry, anti flyer(if you don't want a dragon flyer), or anti light vehicle.

      Whereas the butcher is anti marine character and better anti vehicle.

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    7. Not to mention all you need is one butcher cannon, you can keep a standard fist on the other and it'd be a credible threat against meltabombers or krak wielders.

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    8. The twin autocannon is on one arm as well.
      It's literally the difference between 4 TL str 7 shots, or 4 str 8 shots.

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  10. This really makes me want to get a nurgle army!

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  11. Wow, that fluff is definantly Grimdark! Almost makes me feel sorry for the fella... Then again, it IS chaos.

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  12. isn't that the standard sm fluff anyway ?! Sounds too familiar

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    1. It says in the fluff how it is different to standard sm fluff hehe...

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  13. I thought I heard the models in the box sets were of lesser quality than the typical GW models. Is this true?

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    1. Only in the starter set, and it just means that they are clip together models that can only be assembled in one or two ways. You don't get any options either. Essentially, if you want the models as they look in the starter set, buy it. If you want to change a few bits around, it might be a bit more difficult than you think. BTW, quality of the actual models (once assembled) looks like it will be higher than anything on the current CSM range.
      If you didn't understand that, look at some pictures of the sprues in Assault on Black Reach, and compare them to normal box sets. Look at how many pieces each model comes in and how they are assembled.

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    2. I like assembling startersets. Push fit is a nice quick way. Kills a lazy afternoon.

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    3. yes and no. they're still excellent quality but they come in less peices and have no options etc to them. so they're still great quality but less customizeable

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  14. So no plasma cannon? Thats a bummer for my converted khornate dreadnought :(

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    1. Maybe it's more appealing to get another weapon with lots of shots for Khornate Hellbrutes like the Twin Reaper Autocannon.

      I can imagine it going havoc when it's effected by Fire Frenzy pumping out 8 TL S7 shots, and afterwards charging CC with 3+1+2+D3..

      hmmmmm...... very tasty indeed!

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    2. Oh for crying out loud...

      So it's a fail because it may not have a Plasma Cannon?

      There will be plenty of ways to get Plasma-esque fire throughout the CSM codex that it's simply not necessary on the walker.

      Besides, Reapers are far more "Khorny" anyway. Rip something to shreds, don't melt it.

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    3. Nobody saod anything about it being a fail? All he said is it sucks for the dread he's converted that has plasma since he obviously put time and effort in to converting it, and now there's no option for such a weapon.

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    4. "There will be plenty of ways to get Plasma-esque fire throughout the CSM codex that it's simply not necessary on the walker."

      The point is not people particularly wanting plasma, but that they have existing models with a now seemingly illegal weapon option.

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    5. Considering his dread ALREADY HAS ONE MODELLED THEN YES!

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  15. 40k rabbit, fire frenzy means you shoot twice and lose all movement for the turn. No charge allowed.

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  16. Hmm, I'm a little disappointed after the last but one post if I'm honest. Why bother taking 4 S8 shots instead of 4 TL S7 ones, especially if the S8 costs more. Again for the lascannons, why pay more unless CSM end up with no decent melta options? I'm a little sick of just seeing autocannon equivalents everywhere though. The main problem I have is this: Necrons get an AV13 S7 spamming platform for 90 points. Why would I pay significantly more when I can get that as an ally and this thing has a chance to cripple myself? Plus, at AV12 unless it's getting a drop pod that allows assaults out of it, you'll never reach combat because it's too much of a threat. I never see Chaos Dreads currently because of their silly rules - I hope this isn't the case again. Especially as my Necrons have been looking for some allies...

    Good points:
    -With 36" range, usually you won't shoot yourself
    -Powerfist might not be great without mobility, but it'll send deep strikers packing
    -Mark of Nurgle, if not too expensive can make this good
    -If there's a deep strike option for these things, imagine the devastation of an S6 AP3 template. You can get 2, one of which rerolls to wound/pen.
    -It can be a rifledread with more. That could really help.
    -That model. Seriously, it looks incredible.

    Bad:
    -If it can't deploy near an enemy, CC upgrades will be wasted unfortunately as no-one will let this thing live to assault
    -120 points is pricey for 12/12/10. Upgrade costs may make it bad
    -Crazed sucks. Sure, when you roll correctly, you can become amazing. However, your fire support may decide to charge forwards and not shoot.
    -If sonic scream sucks, so does the Mark of Slannesh. Sigh.

    So, will it be good? If the upgrades are all fairly cheap (I'm literally talking 5/10 points) then it may well be. Crazed concerns me greatly - I don't want to lose because I shot myself rather than being outplayed. We'll see, we need more information really.

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    1. Sonic scream is what gives it defensive and offensive grenades, not some sort of other ability.

      It's pretty difficult to shoot yourself, unless you only have flamers and you're beside your own squad when you fire frenzy, otherwise -something- should be in range.

      Otherwise, you have valid points.

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    2. Mr Statistics strikes again.

      Way to go, Stelek must be proud.

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    3. Yeah, I'm not so worried about fire frenzy (though I've had times when I needed to be closer to fire and if the test is before movement...) but running towards the enemy when it's AV12 and forfeiting whatever (probably expensive) shooting I have seems completely terrible.

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    4. Mr Statistics? I'm sorry, is it so bad I want to buy new cool looking models and actually have them be pretty good for once? I know, I know, I can still use them but why bother if the other competing models also look great and are better? It's like flayed ones - I love their fluff, I love their style but they're almost totally unusable. Sure, I still take them in friendly games but I don't see why they can't be both awesome AND good.

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    5. Why flayed ones never got fear when they had it basically in 3ed is beyond me.

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    6. Yeah and with another assault daemon engine in the elite slots with 2 melts blast weapons and 2 powerfists, 12" move and daemon rules, this could well end up being the dud entry of the codex. There's always one! Shame... Sweet model!

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  17. Thank you GW. Although I have bitched about how you do business (silently), I'm very impressed with this starter set, the supposed rules for this monstrosity, and 6th edition in general. Bravo. We anxiously await what you have in store for us.

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    1. Here! Here! Been checking this site all summer pretty much for starter set info, and all trifling complaints aside...It is gonna be an awesome set and a great time to be a 40k-er!

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  18. Was just told by my local GW store, that I am not allowed to show or discuss rumors in the store anymore, when I asked why. He said it came down from corprate.. and I can be banned from the store. I told him I sorry and was just VERY excited. He then told me you only get one chance.. then he walked away and did not talk to me anymore. After that the hole thing became very uncomfortable. Pack my stuff and went home. I feel really bad about this... and have no where else to play. So I will be doing my best to keep things to myself....

    But please keep this stuff coming... love ur blog.

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    1. if your not happy complain to gw hq its simple :P

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    2. I don't think the staff were being unreasonable or unfair. GW staff have some pretty hard sales targets and talking about the new starter set might put people off buying the new big rulebook. Supermarket managers would get annoyed if you went around the store telling other customers that a rival was cheaper. I know that's not exactly the same but the point is it hurts sales and puts their jobs at risk!
      I get on well with my local staff and make sure not to talk about things like that when there's other customers or just keeping it a very quiet private conversation between me and them

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    3. GW managers doing shit like that does not help get people into the hobby. Imagine coming in to a store, and you see a manager threatening to ban someone because he was talking about an upcoming release. I'd leave.

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    4. if the rumors are true about GW getting sued about the hobbit shenanigans then his reaction was justifiable though a little bit over personal, he could have just explained and laughed it off. All in all dont get him fired but be slightly snotty

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  19. I must say, it's a pretty lil thing, init?

    Just wondering, if preorders start on 25th, when is the actual release and if preordered when do you usually get it? I just started holidays n it would suck balls if I can't get it before the 3rd sep. ;)~

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  20. Does anyone have any idea how "limited" the limited edition starter is gonna be?

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    1. The only difference between Limited and Standard editions will be a figure of Chaplain-Interrogator (DA side naturally). Only 5000 copies of Limited Edition will be distributed according to the rumors.

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  21. Where are the rules for the Cultist Sect Anarkus? I can't find them anywhere. Any idea where to find them? Many Thanks.

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