I think for a starter set, this set is excellent, not only for the value of how much you get, but also for the models themselves. Even the models I was really unsure of.... like the Dark Angels Company Master, I liked much more after getting a closer look at it.


I am one of those that never bought the Assault on Black Reach set, because it never appealed to me. Sorry Ork fans, but it was much harder to find Ork players around here to split with than it is Dark Angels and Chaos Marines. To be honest, even without a split, there are not many models in the Dark Vengeance that I could not use somewhere in my armies. While Assault on Black Reach was a good value, I think that Dark Vengeance will far out perform it.

By far my personal favorites are the Dark Angels Librarian and the Chaplin. On the Chaos side of things, I really like several of the cultists, like the heavy stubber model and flamer. If these chosen are a sign of what is to come with future Chaos Marine models, I see them becoming very popular. I like them a lot.

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  1. Cultists hopefully are not starter set only.

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    1. Be nice if they do get a seperate sculpt from the ones in this set.
      Don't think it's gonna happen though. There's enough models available to kitbash cultists from as is.

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    2. Id rather just buy 1 starterset and get a few boxes of more cultists for my Necrons. I dont want really want to kitbash if they look that cool.

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    3. I guess you'd kitbash from Fantasy empire, Imp guard, chaos (fantasy and 40k) and possibly a little bit from daemons. Don't feel bad about no cultists outside the starter box, High elves are still waiting for plastic sword masters (they've been finecastrated)

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    4. Crons shoulda been in this set.... Zombie robots just get no live.....

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    5. Im JD and i approve this^ anonymous comment.

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    6. If you look at the Black reach set then there were seperately available alternative models, even if the sculpts were diffferent with greater customerisation options. The units in the starter set are models to get you started… just like they were in the Black Reach set.

      The Cultist are a Troops choice, and so I can't see such a core unit not being available in a seperate multi-part plastic kit boxset. Same goes for the Chosen. I really can't see these models not get a multi-part plastic kit of their own.



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    1. Sorry son...youll get there one day ;)

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    2. AArggggg! My god JayDee do you have this blog connected with your internal body clock or something? :P

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    3. Also I doubt they would be. Still I can imagine 10 cultists costing in region of £18 so buying the starter set for cultists ain't that bad a deal considering all the extras you get which you can easily make your money back on Ebay with. Only down side would be you will have to make do with a lot of the same posed models unless your conversion skills are decent.

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    4. Not to Hard to convert. Cut and glue on different. Mix Match with other stuff Ect Ect!

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  3. Ok whew. No ninjas. Same minute time too.

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  4. IMO the value is Same as Aobr. Plastic Wise! dont know Point Wise, guess that would be Less now. I think the Armys are more unbalanced than Before in Aobr. 300 points diffrence right?

    Still Good Deal but i'll wait for DA dex next Month :D
    Before i go pick DV up ;)

    Not sry for all the CSM that wont get a New dex ;D

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    1. Quick! Wheres the bug spray??? :P

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    2. I added the points up for DA and highest I could up to get was 900 with WYSIWYG and not including the chaplin. I don't know the points cost for the new chaos units but with extras am pretty sure it will amount to over 600 points easily.

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    3. Yeah its about 300points less.
      But Once DA dex comes out NEXT MONTH
      They should be much less die to Point Cost reduction buff :D
      & CSM will Ofc be Point increased with their dex ;D

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  5. Did I hear a rumour that there might be a special character for DA that allows you to take CSM as battle brothers? If I didn't dream that and it turns out to be true, you have semi decent army right out of the box (well with the special character also). In which case , It will be the most value for money offer I would of heard of from GW since the good old days.

    Even if it ain't true. Converting SM to CSM isn't all that hard and I don't think I am the only one to realise this so I can see this starter set being insanely popular.

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    1. For the lazier gamer, just painting the dark angels black will justify them as chaos marines. Hurray for the fallen!

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    2. Its possible. Could be a special rule for that csm fallen hq, don't remember his name. That would be a stellar move for gw if they did. The fluff would match and it would boost sales.

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    3. That Fallen's name is Cypher, and Gawd I hope he comes back. Last Dark Angels Dex hinted that he may even be Lion el'Johnson himself :)

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    4. I'm not sure, what kind of dex you have been reading, but there's nowhere to be hinted The Lion is supposed to be Cypher.
      The Cypher used to be a rank in the Dark Angels legion, nothing more, nothing less.

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    5. I would absolutely love if we could take cypher for chaos battle brothers. Oh my goodness that would be incredible. I can't say how happy that makes me!

      -Hesporos

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    6. Incorrect, HellHenni---And i quote from the codex: "Some whisper that Cypher may represent the Fallen Angels' only chance of redemption, and that his seemingly random appearances hide a pattern which reveals that he is slowly moving across the galaxy towards Terra and the Emperor himself. They also point to the fact that Cypher carries a sword which he never draws or uses in combat, and that this could be the fabled Lion Sword, thought lost forever following the Primarch's final confrontation with the arch-heretic Luther." Pg 12, grey box. I believe a similar suggestive account of him is also in one of the chaos codexes.

      Either way, this suggests decidedly more than, "the Cypher used to a rank in the Dark Angels legion, nothing more, nothing less."

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    7. Everyone who knows 40k lore, knows The Lion is in stasis on the rock.

      If I have your sword, does that make me you? Silly.

      Also, that little bit about Cypher is old. Was in the previous codex too.

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    8. My reaction was to the "nothing more, nothing less comment". Cypher is clearly something more than just another one of the fallen. Id love to know more about his story and how he got the sword

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  6. While I still don't like the hellbrute, those chosen are gorgeous. The one with the mace is arguably the prettier choice for an HQ. The DA are great, too, even though filing off all the DA symbols will be a bitch.

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    1. I'm not that bad at conversion, but after leveling all pro et contra of DA force conversion into Chaos aligned units, I've decided to keep them as loyalists. Monolith figures as ones in starter sets are too f*ing hard to be ripped off all the DA symbols; and I do not have a need of Fallen in my Chaos hosts.

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    2. Use a dremel! Best Must have Tool ;)

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    3. Well, I plan on using the DA for my loyalist Brazen Gryphons, who, thankfully, already have a wing-based theme. Just have to get rid of the slew of winged swords and the chapter sigil. Mostly doable, but the ones on capes and robes as well as the little trinket ones I dread...

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  7. I just wonder if it could be so, that after a new Chaos Legions codex release that Chosen Champion will be (officially, by GW) announced as HQ choice - the Dark Apostle. Another my concern is about that sword of a Chaos Lord - power sword, really? Looks more like a daemon weapon to me, what else can make that 1 vs 3 HQ characters difference not that sour.

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    1. Doesn't mean it can't be a Daemon weapon if you have the CSM codex. Think it's only listed as one because it won't have the rules for Daemon weapons in the mini rulebook.

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  8. Nice try Csm is next black libary confirmed it with all of the chaos themed book set to rrlease in Oct.

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    1. No the BL Books are supposed to help you Pass a nother Year Till CSM gets nerfed massiv ;D

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  9. This 1st crap is starting to make the blog look a bit infantile, it was funny the 1st few times. But now it just smells of sad sods who need to get out more.

    The starter set is amazing. The amount of models for the price is amazing and I can see this being a good incentive for new players, and parents being able to afford to start their kids into the hobby.
    I can't think of any other starter set being such good value and quality.

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    1. But being first is EVERYTHING! :D

      Oh i forgot your're an anon. You are souless and vile amd will never experience the peace of beimg first :P

      Id pity you but your an anon...

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    2. And to be fair Jaydee's first comment was actual imput this time. It was I who lowered the maturity of the blog (??), this time. I apologize.

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    3. Any 1 Mini is a Start to the Hobby. You can Hardly Play with the Content of DV. Its unbalanced. You Need points, a Board, Terrain & lots more figs caus 1,5k is the minimum size Army you Need. Youre still going to spend 300,-£ at least. & we know ist Never Stops ;

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    4. I think ppl need to stop whining about the "first" stuff (I'm looking at you, anon who clocked in at 12;59). It's all harmless fun, and we all love to hate JayDee (:D). Is it infantile? Yes...but really, who cares? Quit being a party pooper

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    5. The first thing is not that bad, what is getting infantile is the whinnying and moaning about. You see one first comment and 15 comments hating on it. Which derails more.

      But on topic now, love all the chaos models. The champions/ lord sold me at first glance.

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  10. I remember purer days of this site, back when the rumors were of Dark Eldar, that comments would not be made for the sake of commenting. Sure, you had woohoos and I wonders, but they were all bearable to read and often insightful. Now I rarely read most of the comments. It's just so sad.

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    1. And your comment adds sooo much! Ty for that, please post more often. :)

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    2. Hahaha, bravo, anon 1:15 PM!

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  11. I dont think ive mentioned this but did anyone notice that that Hell Feaster thing in the BRB ended up looking VERY close to our Hellbrute?

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  12. I've noticed, this is the second release now where there has been no Sprue pictures. The Daemon wave beforehand had (and still doesnt) have sprue pictures. Wonder why thhey arent doing that anymore?

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    1. I dunno. I hope that sprue pics are still a thing. It's really helpful to see exactly what a kit has in it for modelling purposes.

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    2. if ABR is anything to go by the starter set is going to be a really crappy set if your goal is to use them for modding.

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  13. Do we think there will be another hell brute/ hell feaster / chaos dread model with the chaos release ?

    As much as I like the model its too unique to see multiples in one army.

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    1. Considering the current chaos dread is both metal and fugly, yes we should see a new one soon. UNLESS they (GW) are gonna hold back and expect everyone to buy the starter/go on eBay... Although I wonder how long it'd take some other companies To bring out their own 'replacements'? :P

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    2. Also there was a rumour post here a few days ago with the fluff and info about the Hell Brute saying it can swap its multi melta for other weapons. I don't these will come with the starter set so makes me think it could come with a multi kit version in one of the waves.

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    3. even if the hellbrute isn't immediarlt avaliable the rumored fluff pretty much gives us permission to sue dreadnought minis as hellbrutes

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  14. Is it just me, or has GW started to go down the path of Anime Swords? I mean, those humongous blades larger than the man (read: androgynous boy) weilding them...

    In addition, the head-gear is starting to reach similarly stupendous sizes, with the Chaos Lord Horns and DA Captain Wings.
    Not that the models aren't pretty, they truly are, but I am dreading the prospect of more "centerpiece" additions to coming HQs. A case can be certainly made for the HQs representing "You" on the battlefield and hence need to look sutably heroic and eye-catching, but what if "I" am more sensible than wanting to run about in giant hats and brandishing massive swords and for example prefer a bike and a gun? Or you know, just a gun, but still want to have that heirloom armor and other intricate embroidery of my rank?

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    1. Id rather have bigger swords where appropriate than tiny daggers. Besides a reason for the largeness is simplicity to paint. We cant all be golden demo worthy ya know...

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    2. The reason for largeness is for painting simplicity?? Incorrect. Nothing GW produces is to simplify painting. It is all produced to look badass and realistic for the universe that they have created.
      Hopefully they do not go towards the 'comicbook', 'Pathfinder' and 'videogame' style. It sucks. And that's not just an opinion. I'm actually correct. :)
      -brossate

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    3. Perhaps its not a HUGE reason but it is... anon -.-

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    4. Signing my name kind of makes me not anonymous...
      -brossate

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    5. O ididnt notice...still there is the Word Anonymous there. Im always suspicous.

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    6. Yeah, this is the only site that I've ever cared enough to post on. Seems lIke a level-headed but fun community. Guess I should figure out how to create a proper handle...Done!

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    7. You must have forgotten they are super human space marines and could probably easily wield a weapon that size much easier than a normal human could dream of.

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    8. Comicbook and videogame style? Guess you have played wrong games and read wrong comics, but hey generalization is good, it doesn't require effort... Sigh. And if You don't like oversized details just cut/convert them, simple.

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  15. Have you seen back of the white dwarf. Has DA and says the war continues. Think DA codex next month and GW just been fracking with us. Hope so. How are they going to change

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    1. I would love a DA release, I don't think it will happen personally but I would get to field my neglected army again been a lot of DE and not so much DA for me lately...

      -Hesporos

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    2. Anon, the dark angel picture was clearly hinting at dark vengence.

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  16. That would just be dumb for yet ANOTHER loyalist codex to come out. I mean, there's already like 8 out, and 3 of them are among the strongest armies, with very recent codices. GW needs to give non-Emperor fanboys some love. I'm primarily a Chaos player, but heck, I'd still be happy if they released a Tau codex before mine. There needs to be some variety in the game.

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    1. I meant to get updated, not an entirely new codex.

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    2. Youd think for as far as the Imperium is on the "brink" they wouldnt have as much as they do. Its like in every codex they just happen to find a new toy in the basement or that they "always had this vehicle even though we just made it up"

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    3. Get Used to it!
      I think its a matter of time Till salamaders get a Own dex. And i Could imagin Imp. & crim. Fists in next BT dex or haveing a Own One aswell. And WS is a nother Fan fav. that Could See more Love.

      GW cant alway come up with New (Old) SM Units so Doing those dexes is s Good Way to do bear-calv , Dragon-riders , Dual PF. Squads , Dino-warmachines & so on ;D

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    4. JayDee, I recall reading somewhere that a designer/s (not sure who though) stated that 40k was focused on the Imperium and that the Xenos were akin to minor/supporting characters. Can't remember the link, but I found it whilst searching for the fate of...a certain abhuman ;)

      Also, maybe GW can justify new codex additions for marines by saying "We found an STC for this thing, all praise the machine spirit who doth distribute fine carbonated sugary beverages! Huzzah!" Although, it'd be nice to see the Tau invent new stuff, Eldar recover lost artifacts, etc

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    5. Finding an STC is what i would classify as finding it in the basement. It wasnt there till someone dug it up apparently.

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    6. Maybe if they introduce a 'new' toy, they could give it some sort of restriction/special rule. I play WHFB dwarfs and you can't put runes on century old, but still new-fangled weapons. Perhaps if something like that was introduced for the Imperium, ie: Rediscovered/irreplaceable artifact, along the lines of 'cannot restore hull points, weapons etc. roll a d6 at the start of your turn for each model with this rule. on a roll of a 1, roll on damage chart' - not sure how that'd work but if it's new/rediscovered, then the imperium shouldn't be able to use it perfectly. After all, in the grim darkness of the far future there are no instruction manuals

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    7. The adeptus mechanicus does not let stuff leave Mars until they tested it, confirmed it is not corrupted, and has a manual with the 10001 blessings the machine god requires for the safe operation of heavy machinery.

      They can add new tech all the time just by saying mars recently approved

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  17. Curious if Dirty Steve had anything to do wit the photography in the video. That guy is brill!

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  18. I definitely forsee an Alpha Legion force in my near future...

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  19. so hang on..... no update in white dwarf for cultists? they have actually gone and released them with no offical rules for normal games whatsoever?

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    1. Well presumably you buy the set in order to have the models, which contains the rules...

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    2. yeah but its not "codex" is it. even if they have a points value in the set, (which they may not have as the box secarios may not include points, just forces).

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  21. So apparently all the models in this are "snap fit" models, so "glue is optional". Anyone have any experience with these? I'm worried that this will seriously limit the range of poses you can have vs. the non-snap fit models...

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    1. Yeah. They are pretty simple easy. But tend to get a little loose on the bases. A little glue here and there is still needed. But most can be pushed tight.

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  22. I'd expect these to be like the gorgeous mini's in the space hulk game. Only one way to put them together. Fortunately GW has come a long way so you don't just get 10 of the same dude

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    1. :/ One pose is kind of boring... Though, I guess that's kind of the direction they're taking a lot of their models these days anyway. Hopefully that's not how all their models will be from now on though...

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