All I can say is wow. What started off as a fake, is now being hailed as definetly legit. This is big news. A new way of looking at our hobby is presented here by the guys at frontline gaming. Too excited to discuss it, but it comes down to this.....

Please remember that this is still a rumor. Take with salt.

Summary (this summary was put together by kroothawk)
- The leaked 6th edition rules are legit
- They want to get rid of edition cycle by releasing a core rule set valid for a long time
- These core set will be updated by FAQ's, erratas and supplements
- allows for expansions (30k, 41k?) and concentration on model making

via Reecius of Frontline Gaming
So, we heard a doozy of a rumor today that I wanted to share with the community.

A source of ours who knows people who knows people, etc. often shares tidbits of juicy rumors. Today he and I were talking about 6th ed and whether or not the leaked rules were legit.

He told me that a friend of his who works for GW not only confirmed that this rule-set was legit, but that it was the culmination of a master plan, so to speak, that has been in the works for years.

Apparently, GW game design has wanted to get away from the edition cycle they’ve been in for the past 3 editions, and want to move towards a core rule set that they can rely on for a long period of time, updating with FAQ’s and Erratas as needed. They want to avoid sweeping changes that leave certain armies in the dust, and therefore with lagging sales.

This would allow them to focus on the model line to a greater degree, and to expand the game into different directions. They would be able to explore the game story both forwards and backwards, and a Warhammer 30K supplement was mentioned (which we’ve been hearing about multiple times). He also mentioned the possibility of progressing the story-line, which we have also been hearing from multiple sources.

The following are my thoughts on that information.

Forgeworld is already fleshing out the backstory with all of their preheresy and heresy era kits. It is not much of a stretch of the imagination to see FW doing a supplement for this period much as they did with the Badab War books, or at least making the models (Primarchs, anyone?).

This would allow GW to keep all books current, and to focus on the models, updating books as they need to.

Is this true? Who can say. Do I want it to be true? Yeah! It is criminal that GW has not made a game supplement for the most exciting part of the game background (Horus Heresy) and who wouldn’t want to use Primarchs and the Emperor and Horus in games? That would be awesome. Who wouldn’t want to see the story advance? That would be awesome, too!

And a lot of what we see in books that don’t make sense now, in the context of the new 6th ed rules we think are real, start to make sense. Maybe that is a case of fitting the system to the existing rules, or perhaps it was all part of a master plan. Who knows? Time will tell what we actually get, but all I can say is that I am very excited for what is to come.

What do you all think about this rumor? Would you like to see these things come true?

Here is a link to frontline gaming as well.... thanks for the rumor guys.
http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2012/01/13/6th-ed-40k-rumors/

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  2. "All I can say is wow." That sums it up nicely. Up until now I thought it the rules were some kind of fan project.

    What excites me even more, tho, is the prospect of an advancing story-line. Over the last few years, i've read tons ob BL-books and to be honest - they really felt stagnant and repetetive lately... So an advance in the storyline would be HUGE for the whole 40k-background!

    Lucius

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  3. I don't really believe this. No way GW wants to get rid of the standard 40k rulebooks. They sell! FAQ's and Eratta's don't. BTW the game will become so much more extensive with a lot of FAQ's various rulebooks/ruleupdates and eratta's.
    I think the new 6th edition rules are legit, but they will appear in a book this year.

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    1. Don't forget that first and foremost, GW is a miniature making company. Selling rulebooks is the needed bad thing, but most of their income is comingfrom plastic dudesmen. Rulebooks can be downloaded (not saying that's legal or people should do it) but plastic guys can't. Concentrating on making figures for EVERY entry in a codex would increase quality, increase number of players (because people will not get disapointed like Nid players currently are), a would make ot possible to avoid legal frauds like what Chapterhouse did to the Tervigon. Focusing on the core thing your company makes it's living from is just the way it should be.
      Makind an expandable core ruleset is just the dream that we all want to come true I think.

      Having books printed out makes it harder to fix errors. Having downloadable pdf rulebooks makes ot possible to release a "patched" version easily. Just add a version to the rulebook pdf, and that's it.

      We shall see, because the leaked ruleset seems really awesome aside from a few little annoyances. I'm really looking forward to this summer!

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  4. I think of it like this Mike, if GW is looking at a plan like this, they could keep 6th edition around for a long long time. That could literally mean, a complete set of codices before another addition, which I do not think they have ever done.

    They would be able to sell a lot of rulebooks still, just for the current addition. Afterall GW's marketing plan should concentrate on bringing new players to the game, and getting older players to buy new armies.

    They could also release an updated errated rulebook.

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    1. True, but it will get very messy with all kinds of documents, codexes, updates etc.
      Not particularly streamlining 40k what they wanted, remember 'one book to rule them all'-rumor.
      I do get excited for the new rules (seems like GW is finally listening!), i don't want to carry a sh*tload of paper with me everytime I want to play though. Furthermore, what if some of my friends aren't into the internet that much. I have to keep them posted that they have the latest edition of the rules and their codex (!). That's insane.

      Really like you blog though :) Nice rumour section; very up to date, unlike the the codexes...

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    2. I think this has been in the works so long, and is so well-defined, that there will be no need for erratas or FAQs for some time.

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    3. The problem of making old armies unviable has been one to plague 40k the past few years. I know a number of people who have left the hobby because their rules have become obsolete, and therefore, their armies. GW taking the long view and making rules to last is at least a new strategy to make the hobby better, instead of making the same old mistakes.

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    4. Also, just as an example, take a look at Privateer Press. Their business model is rather brilliant as it allows them to put out a constant stream of models for every faction. This does mean a ton of play testing and having to manage a lot of balance issues and documents. On the other hand it means a constant stream of new products to offer.

      Getting away from rule books and possibly going back to the old Codex Approved units allows for more product variation. That means more money over the course of a fiscal year and it looks way better to investors. That is a lot better than only having 4-5 major releases and maybe 3-6 minor ones.

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  5. a friend of mine knows a guy wich is friends with a guy who is best friends with a nother guy who works for GW. And he says GW is planing something big!!!!
    Sounds like plastik Warlord-Titan to me :)

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  6. Early Aprils fools? Seriously, this sounds really good.

    Too good to be true?

    Guess we'll find out in four years time.

    To answer the question: "Would you like to see these things come true?"

    YES!!!

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  7. Wow...
    It all makes sense, though, from a marketing point of view. If the rules team only neEd to work on the codices, they can make sure all armies are almost equally powerful, and concentrate on models.
    If a new edition means players spending around £50, then they will now have spare money to spend on the exciting new sets, which (without realising) they will be drawn into, and probably generate a fairly steady income for Games Workshop. What companies try to avoid is having bursts of money spending, and instead have a consistent amount of money pouring in.
    Also, I want to see the story move on, and see Chaos finally assault Terra once again (or go pre-heresy and re-enact the original)!

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  8. I have to say I read the leaked rulebook and thought it was certainly plausible if an early draft so this isn't much of a shock. They're basically saying they want to do what other systems do and just release updates rather than whole new editions.

    "...It is criminal that GW has not made a game supplement for the most exciting part of the game background (Horus Heresy) and who wouldn’t want to use Primarchs and the Emperor and Horus in games? That would be awesome..."

    They should really discover the Horus Heresy game by Fantasy Flight that I picked up a while ago and I'm thoroughly enjoying - I plan to review it on my blog soon.

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    1. The FFG Horus Heresy board game is actually a redo of the Games Workshop 'Wargame Series' boardgame of the same name from the 90's. I know, I still have it! I also have the WD supplement add-on board and rules for teleporting the Emperor onto Horus' flagship for the final battle.

      There were two other games in the series:

      1. The Battle for Armageddon - refighting the 2nd War for Armageddon between Ghazghkull and Yarrick's planetary defense forces and the Marine cavalry racing to the rescue.

      2. The Death of Iyanden - detailing the defense of Iyanden Craftworld against the invading Tyranids waves.

      They were really great boardgames in the spirit of old-school Avalon Hill or GDW Europa WWII wargames (although nowhere near as many chits involved.) The figures with the new FFG version are a welcome change over the little cardboard counters of the original version.

      They're really great board wargames if you feel like hunting them down.

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    2. Wow, I totally forgot about those games. I had the white dwarf death of iyanden game and played it tons. Man white dwarf used to be a great magazine (though its gotten a lot better in the last year).

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  9. I don't know about moving the time line forward, but exploring 30k would be awesome.

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  10. I want these rules to be as real as much as the next person, and I personally believe they are, but I have to ask, why does this suddenly mean they're legitimate? It's a very bold statement to say that they've now been "declared real", when all we have is another shadowy source, and the word of an internet personality. Now I respect the guys over at Frontline Gaming - they're one of my favorite sites for 40k in general, and I in no way mean to tarnish their good word, since they've never given us any reason to doubt them - but this is not proof, this is hear-say, and it leaves the matter no more decided than it was a week ago when these rules first hit the web.

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    1. Legitimate meaning not fake, made up, someones idea of a joke or a lie.

      These rules may be altered, binned or given the thumbs-up. But at least these are real at time of being leaked.

      That's what I believe 'legitimate' means here.

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    2. I understand that - but we still have no proof to that effect. I'm sorry, but "A source of ours who knows people who knows people, etc..." does not qualify as evidence.

      I mean we have Blood of Kittens saying the same thing but from the other angle; his sources at, close to, or otherwise connected with GW say that the rules are decidedly not theirs, and he's not the only one making claims of knowing someone over there who's saying that.

      Beyond that, last week already established that these sites aren't beyond trolling us - reported on this very site was 3++'s Abusepuppy pranking the entire community with his "source".

      Look, I think these rules are legit for a variety of reasons - but none of them include a fan-run site, no matter how professional or stand-up it may be, declaring them as such. I don't expect anyone to give up their sources either, which is why this style of argument, this kind of "proof" will never be accepted by me, and shouldn't by the community at large. If it makes you feel better about the whole thing - that's great, but it doesn't make it cement, and Frontline Gaming themselves even say that at the end of their rumor post.

      These rules are not legit - not yet.

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    3. True.

      It is from the whole troll experience that I'm still unsure about the rumour. If you look at my first reaction I, not for the first time, asked 'early Aprils fool?'

      Life has taught me one lesson: "Nothing is real until it is proven."

      I'd love to see Tyranids and Necrons in February, but won't be certain about it until I see the leaked pictures here, advance orders on the GW website, or have a WD in my hands. Let's not forget the 'Tau on the back on January WD'.

      Same here: when I have the rulebook in my hands, turning the pages and reading the rules, that will be when the rumours will be proven legit or le fake.

      What makes me 'feel better'?

      Patiently waiting for the truth to reveal itself.

      Doesn't stop me enjoying the 'what if' though.

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    4. You misunderstand. Natfka isn't declaring the rules legit, he's reporting that Reecius is.

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    5. This is a rumor from a source. The rumor declares the leak to be legit. As always with rumors (as I say above in the post), please take with salt.

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    6. @ Timber: You're right, he is, and that wasn't lost on me either. My issue comes with the tone of his first and only paragraph - it reads as a total endorsement of what comes next. This kind of side-taking always feels like it's aimed at influencing the opinion of an audience, just like the title of the article did. But to be honest, there's nothing wrong with that, having an agenda and an opinion is what makes an author unique - it's why I read here in the first place. But if I disagree, well, I feel that's what the comment's box is for.

      @ Naftka: I always appreciate an author who will take time to respond to a critic. I enjoy your blog thoroughly, and I hope you don't find anything I say disheartening. This whole 6th Ed thing has been a train-wreck of information, and I always feel the need to throw down some text when I feel I've got something to add to the conversation - even if that's just me disagreeing with whatever facts have been presented.

      But above all, thanks for the quality blog - I appreciate it.

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  11. Its all well and good to say "this is the new ruleset and its good for years so re-joyce in that, however some of the rules I have seen are utterly horrible so I can honestly say, I hope the leaked rules get a lot of tweaking before they come out as in that state I would quit for sure.

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  12. I almost wonder if this is a case of the game designers leaking something they wish they could do, hoping the buzz online gets so big the bean counters take note. I've heard that over the past ten years there has been a gradual shift in power at GW. I've heard that one, by one as the old guard Andy and Rick for sure, left that what clout the design team had was largely eroded and now most big decisions are corporate they based 100% on marketing and sales. Ya ya I know "GW is a business they have to make money" don't whack me with the fanboy cliche just yet. At any point I've heard that shift has really upset the apple cart so to speak in terms of how they do things. More and more each year they tighten the screws and shift how things are done. I along with many people sort of entered the GW hobby during the "golden age" of the 90s-early 2000s when the guys who created the game (Rick Priestley) and built it into what it is were still with the company so alot of deference was paid to them. Now that they are gone ... that is gone ... and GW is alot more like WoTC these days than not.

    So I do wonder if maybe some of the design team has gone a bit rogue here ... hoping to have some ammo in their bandoleer to use against the bean counters and lawyers when they try to sell the idea.

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  13. I think the new rule-set from what I've seen is horrible for the hardcore bell of lost souls math hammer indie-GT tournament guys. Looks like it has potential for good friendly gaming though. I'm thinking its a fake just because it appears less tournament friendly.

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  14. I have to visit them salt mines in Poland before I can get behind these rumours but thanks for sharing it here Natfka!

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    1. I damned near spat mountain dew across my keyboard reading that!!!

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  15. Sounds like they are taking a page from privateer press's book. If that's the case, I'll definitely be getting back into 40k!

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  16. Well, good thing the leak is true, only thing to make it perfect would be geting a cheap rulebook (portable dimension, no hardcover) to spare some money for another monolith (which would be somewhat better with the new edition). I hope they manage to balance the rules fairly and to spell them clearly. Mathematically speaking the Necron codex is a fine piece of art, linguistically I've read better (even if I think in 6th perspective). Anyway I really like the look of the new edition, let's hope it won't disappoint us.

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  17. Why dont they make the rules available on the internet and they can change them as they see fit much like computer games, why not sell keys to the rulebook and they can update it as they see fit, it would make a lot of sense to do so

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  18. i would like to play some games in the 30k millenium, it would be sth new and fresh even if we talk about 10,000 years back.

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  19. Legit? Not according to warseer

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  20. Is anyone worried that if these roumers become true then assult is BEFORE shooting. that might make all games ever NOT FUN. just a thought though, im not saying it will, im just worried that it might.

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  21. Assault before shooting wont ruin the fun of the game. It's going to change how you play that is all.

    My personal opinion is that we will see a lot of changes "IF" this PDF is real since it still leaves out a bunch of things. Like Turbo Boosting is now Flat Out but there's no mention in the rules stating this. What I am a little surprised is no one has compared the PDF to the 6th Edition Rumors flying around.

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  22. according to GW the ruleset is NOT legit and they are choosing to ignore all the rumour mongering.That is 100% what is going on and so all the above cannot be true. FACT

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  23. do you really expect GW to say yes its legit? Seriously? It could be an old revision hence all the grammar errors and missing sections and abruptly finishing/starting paragraphs.

    Only way to know for sure is when the rulebook is released and in hand. I see reasons for both sides of the coin. So I will sit on it on the 50-50 fence.

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  24. moving to a system that wouldn't require new editions would require serious playtesting and errat's on a consistent basis, something GW has been unable or unwilling to do. Call me a skeptic but unless they made some actual changes to the way they make the game (with GW's culture of complacency I doubt it) then they're still going to run into the same problems they've always had.

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  25. Also having the title "Leaked 6th Edition Rules Declared Legit" when its actually just another "my friend who's friend works at GW" post is just a tad misleading

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    1. This is a rumor and news site. When a rumor declares the leak legit, its not misleading, as that is what the rumor is saying.

      Wait until the morning when I post up a counter rumor to this one. Saying that "we know where this leak came from"

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    2. Grain of salt? Hell yes.

      To fake a supposedly leaked document at least takes some work so I'll be inclined to believe a document is real. Someone who knows someone who knows someone who might be in the know is just worthless.

      I'd rather believe someone's trying to setup GW with those rumours, as people will have so high expectations that they might be disappointed when the real thing is released.

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  26. shoot, does anyone have a link to the 6th ed rules pdf that apparently is legit now?

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  27. also, my thoughts on assault before shooting: it would weaken assaults. There would be no "Soften up a unit before charging in" it would be "Do you want to shoot at the unit or assault it?"
    good or bad? I think bad.

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    1. You would just shoot at them one turn early. Blam, just like Downy.

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  28. I've read through it (hell I even printed it off.....lol) and I have to say that I like what I've read. Somebody has put a lot of effort into it (read Hours and hours and hours), if it ain't a GW staffer they bloody well should be!!

    How GW have responded is typically GW (They are probably so mad they've nailed somebody to a wall as an object lesson..)

    So the 'Game Cycle' has changed....so what?. It looks like it could be a great deal of fun and tactically and strategically more chalenging to play. Hell, to be honest I don't care if GW publish it or not, it's still a nice rule set which I can play now anyway....lol. So who ever wrote it 'Thank you' hope to see more of your work.

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  29. As much as this seems legit let's face it. An ENTIRE rulebook leaked with no viable source? Also gw release the apocalypse rulebook which is a $50 US expansion. Now explain why would gw put the $50 apocalypse rulebook into a possibly $50 book that contains the regular rules? Wouldn't they lose money by that?

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  30. The layout of the (alleged) 6th edition rulebook is so bad(half the special rules in one part of the book and half the rules in another part just like 5th edition) that it has to be Games Workshop. If you don't want to follow that logic(how could you not/sarcasm) Games Workshop is not going to declare the new edition as real until it is sitting on a shelf with a price tag (and knowing them a high one), because otherwise people would stop buying 5th edition rulebooks.

    In addition to the poster above apocalypse never really took off anyway so they have more to gain by selling a new 6th edition rulebook than hoping for people to suddenly embrace apocalypse which you have to be an imperial guard player to win.

    Anyway one interesting thing is when 6th edition rolls around Robin Cruddance is going to go from tyranid players most hated enemy to their best friend and object of eternal gratitude real quick.

    Also Pyrovore now awesome.

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