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Space Marine Rule Updates for the Coming Codex


The Space Marine codex is due according to rumors in early June, and some information is being talked about that gives us some insight to the what might be in that codex. Here is the latest Space Marine Information.


Please remember that these are rumors.

via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
My sources tell me the following content for the coming SM Codex:

Rules
-Chapter Tactics remains
-Chapter Tactics unlock Characters and exclusive Relics
-Black Templar are gone
-Legion of the Damned are gone

Space Marine Captain
-5 points cheaper
-Chapter Master is now a upgrade for the captain

Maneus Calgar
-Is now a Lord of War

Iron Hands Character
-New Character
-Special Thunder Hammer with Area Damage
-Melta and Flamer combined Weapon

Space Marine Librarian
-Lexicanium is the base profile
-5 points cheaper
-Can be upgraded to a Codicier or a Episolary

Space Marine Command Squad
-Bike or Jump Pack option remains
-Honour Guard is gone

Terminator Command Squad
-Only when a Terminator Captain is in the Dettachment
-3 to 9 Terminators

Tactical Squad
-1 point cheaper per Marine

Land Speeder
-Can join Units with Bikes when the LS Squadron includes only one Model

Tanks
-Predators, Vindicators and Whirlwinds can form Squadrons of 1-3 Tanks
-No Land Raider Squadrons in the Codex
-Land Raider Redeemer and Crusade are Fast Attack

Dettachments
-Three in one Codex
-Codex Astartes Battle Company
-Raven Guard Strike Squadron
-White Scars Hunting Party

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  1. That's enough salt to kill an elephant outright.

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    1. Yep. When have rumours like this and this far out from release been true anyway? This guys bullshitting everyone for laughs.

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    2. Yet many rumors of late proved true with the Eldar ><
      Shit I hope they stop messing about with honour guards and cmd squads I´m so tired of having modles rendered useless becourse the way I configured them are no longer possible in the dex.

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  2. Well, i'm sure raven guard, iron hands and white scars fans will be happy. That's is similar to the eldar detachments so far. Tactics linked to relics is something i thought should always be the way it was done, particularly seeing how you can simply have multiple detachments anyway, and/or for that matter individual formations of each.

    I'm surprised at the Black Templars, though. I'm glad that it looks like they realised they were different enough to warrant their own book, but when will that happen? We just don't know. I'm surprised that terminator captains are apparently still a thing, but hopefully they'll just be upgrades like chapter masters are. I'm also hoping that orbital bombardment is still around.

    All in all this looks pretty good, honestly. It'll just depend on what the rules for chapter tactics are.

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    1. thats why we ant believe it. GW give love to raven, hands and scars....

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  3. "Black Templar are gone"

    What. The. Fuck.

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    1. That doesn't mean that they're gone. They could be getting book themselves.

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    2. See my comment below. If they're getting their own book, why is GW currently not allowing licensed games to include the BT?

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    3. I know, I was half joking really, I get that it's rumors. But if it's true: stop jerking my templars around!

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    4. Lol so templars gone means they can't be played until they get an update. Since the old codex is invalidated and the SM codex currently is about to be replaced. How will one play templars? They won't. BT book should be released before this shit imo

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    5. Black Templars players will simply have to a forge a narrative. That's their solution to everything.

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    6. "Smite now the scions of the Witch!
      Grant us the strength to pierce their unclean flesh!
      To cover their fields with the pale form of the blasphemous dead!
      To drown the thunder of guns with the shriek of their dying!
      To lay waste to their citadels with hurricanes of fire!
      To wring the hearts of their kin with unavailing grief!
      To send them into the waste of their desolate land in rags and hunger, broken in spirit, worn with travail and begging for the refuge of the grave.
      We ask it, in the spirit of wrath, O Master of Mankind!"

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    7. @pain ted
      ..............or you can just play them like normal space marines?

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    8. pain ted: if Black Templars are truly removed and don't get a book then I'll simply play them with Imperial Fists chapter tactics. Not like they were the strongest build in the book anyways (though they definitely were the most fun and fluffy).

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    9. I'd be amazed if black templars didn't get their own codex of some description if they're not in the main marine book, even if it is just a smaller campaign supplement type thing.

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    10. Maybe black Templar should take a back seat to the other FOUNDING chapters that have never got a book or even into the SM codex.

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    11. .... Thanks gw for making my 15000 pts of black Templars a Mountain of useless plastic.
      If its true

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    12. Azrell, that may be but the fact is that Black Templars have already had their own codex. To be removed completely would be very upsetting, more so than simply never having your own codex in the first place.

      On top of that, all the first founding loyalist chapters have a unique codex or representation in the base codex. If you're saying that Templars should be ok with not even being represented in the base marine codex until all the founding chapters get their own distinct codex then I feel like you're going to be somewhat alone in your opinion.

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    13. IIsbaerchen, why would you not be able to use Templars in games? They would simply become a flavor chapter. I would prefer they not do that, obviously, but it won't make black and white marines unplayable or anything.

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    14. Yeah, BT never made sense. They were a bi-product of the Armageddon campaign. Really the only chapters who should see individual releases are the original legions. Likewise, I think Crimson Slaughter should have never gotten their own book either.

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    15. Chris kyle because i started with them when their owen codex came out. I Was sad when they lost their own dex and went to vanilla SM dex and now they lose their chapter tactics to...
      I dont want to play vanilla marines

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    16. So did I, and I've put too much love and effort into them to just throw them in the garbage. IF this rumor is true then I will continue to play them and call them Black Templars but I'll have to choose once of the other chapter tactics. I won't be high-fiving people over it, but I won't stop playing an army I love either.

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    17. As someone who started with Black Templars before they had their own rules in Codex Armageddon, I welcome the return to normalcy.

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    18. Worst case scenario, the carcharadons chapter tactics do a decent enough job of allowing you to field them.
      That being said, I'd love to see the return of a unique codex. I miss my holy orbs and lance proof land raiders. :(

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    19. Ok maybe im just shocked because of the "are gone" rumor and after calm down the world looks a little better..
      There is no other chapter that is near the Black Templars chapter tactics, or at least i dont know one...
      I think i will update the old(the one we use now) with the new one(pts,weapon, options). This way i can still play crusader squads and the grimaldus sons formation. I just have to ask my friends if its ok for them

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    20. Except chris you can't take troop marines with bolter and chainsword, with land raider crusader as dedicated transport, in any vanilla chapter. If Templar players wanted to use their 'black and white marines' with the vanilla army list they'd need to rip the arms off all their squads.

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    21. Take assault marines. Remove jump packs. Put them in a Land Raider. Done. You lose the ablative wounds from the scouts, but you can make a reasonable proximity.

      Honestly though, IF (and that's a big if) the rumors are true and we lose Crusader squads I won't be super upset about it. Was it fluffy as all get out to run one? Absolutely, but it's so cost inefficient that I can't remember the last time I fielded a crusader squad in a game that I was actually trying to win.

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    22. I play always crusader squads with scouts and i win a lot with them

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    23. And what to do with all the scouts? Play them with melee weapon and bp? And because i have no tactical squads i have to go and buy some of them?

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    24. Lets roll DA BA and SW and say play them like vannila marines. Bigots.

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    25. Black Templars are a prime candidate for a mini-dex like Harlequins.

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    26. @Vitor - Ironically, you're much better off playing DA and BA as vanilla marines. I do it all the time; I just like the models better, especially the tacticals, librarian, and icon bits.

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  4. No honour guard?
    Speeders joining bike squadrons is cool though...
    Besides the rumored chapter upgrade sprues, what minis can we expect?
    Not too many holes in the range...

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    1. if this is in fact true, i would expect a new calgar model, as he currently comes with honour guard, who are gone according to above.

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    2. BA lost the honor guard so it wouldn't surprise me

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    3. I think its only listing changes and honour guard didnt change I think BA lost honour guard because of sanguinary guard filling the same roll

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    4. I think its only listing changes and honour guard didnt change I think BA lost honour guard because of sanguinary guard filling the same roll

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    5. BA didn't "lose honour guard " all. They just got renamed to Command Squad which is all they ever were anyway.

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    6. Calgar Could still get his honour guard as an upgrade.

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    7. Better order me a calgar torso i suppose. I was considering it anyway, but this is some good impetus.

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  5. Black Templars gone? I must say I am not surprised but very sad... What am I going to do with all my Crusader squads?

    It's not like it cost them much to keep what few rules remained for that Chapter in the Codex...

    If it turns out to be the case I am going to have a strongly worded explanation with GW.

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    1. No BT?! Seriously? GW going mad, really mad!
      I hope that BT will have thier own codex again.

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    2. You could split them back back into tactical/assault and scout squads. I never understood why Crusader squads were such a big deal, as they were really the only thing that defined a BT army...

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    3. LR Crusader is a Black Templars original

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    4. Well, at this point I'll say permanently goodbye to GW... I have expected this since BT were rolled in the Space Marine Codex...

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  6. GW is not allowing the currently in development Eternal Crusade game to include Black Templars as one of the playable chapters. There's four chapters currently in the game and the fifth will be up to a vote by the community, but Black Templars have been confirmed to NOT be one of the options, ever.

    Are they being phased out?

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    1. Pretty sure the devs said they would only be doing first founding chapters, which is why Black Templars won't be an option for vote.

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    2. Miguel (head of studio back in the day) told us: "We're a very transparent company, so when we refuse to give answers on something... take the hint! Sometimes, we can't do certain things because it's forced from above (by GW)." [paraphrased]

      So no, they're not doing it because it's their decision, they're not doing it because that was forced on them. By GW.

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    3. Except that GW could be saying "First Founding only" and not "No Black Templars because we're going to kill the chapter"

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    4. or that GW said so....end of story...every/any other scenario is speculation. this is the only reason that is relevant: GW said no, so no BT's.

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  7. Incoming Black Templar rage in 3... 2...1...

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    1. Get ready for the influx of black and white marines on ebay

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  8. I like the alleged update to Librarians. They might be going back to the Rogue Trader roots with the four Librarian ranks we used to have (Codicier, Lexicanum, Epistolary, and Chief Librarian-- the latter usually being a special character).

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  9. Unrelated, but somebody just posted leaks of the various knights cost on /tg/
    - Crusader 425
    - Gallant 325
    - Warden 375
    - Paladin 375
    - Errant 370
    Options all cost the same as in the previous WD, Crusader pays 5pts to replace the thermal cannon with the battlecannon.

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    1. Sweet I was actually wondering about this. Cheers.

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    2. Do you have a direct link?

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    3. Just go to /tg/ and look in the catalogue for the awkward sideways photograph.

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    4. http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/39766555/so-i-dont-have-the-imperial-knight-codex-which-is

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  10. Look like a great codex, my Blood Angels hates the fact that Space Marines will be able to Squadron and not us... too bad!

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    1. Hell, at this rate we'll have the new BA dex in under a yr, don't fret

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  11. Ffs. Just finally gotten around to updating my Templars for the latest codex. I feel like throwing black paint all over the walls in protest.

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    1. Word. Lets go and kill the heretics in the gw basement

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  12. Im sure BT will get a stand alone codex. With 2 pages of soon to be outdated rules and the same regurgitated fluff. For a measly 50 bucks.

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  13. -Land Raider Redeemer and Crusade are Fast Attack

    Oh god, I think I just overdosed on salt.

    Land Speeder
    -Can join Units with Bikes when the LS Squadron includes only one Model

    i'm assuming this actually means that they can be bought with a squad of bikes, not that they can join a squad. Similar to how my lovely Dark Angels do it. If so, that is another special feature given away to generic marines.....


    And GW is going to get a lot of shit from fans, if Black Templars are the new squats.

    And final thing. 3 terminators as a command squad? Sounds a bit small to me.

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    1. It's probally base 3 just like a chaos terminator squad, it allows them and a character to into a land raider

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    2. Honestly after the Eldar release I'll believe anything. Because GW would never allow a 295 point GC or OS troops to get more firepower than any HS option of any book or distort weapons all being d-weapons again. All of this is totally believable compared to that.

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    3. 3-man terminator squads are excellent when you realise you can take multiples of them. I just hope they can take storm shields. I've already done that with wolf guard terminator squads, then added lysander and arjac. Makes for a hell of a brick.

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  14. This is pretty much exactly what we should expect; the recent trend in GW's codex making is to limit the army list down to only those units that already have plastic kits (or that are getting them), and limiting them only to the weaponry/options that are in those kits.

    This is why Trueborn and Bloodbrides became upgrades for Warriors and Wyches in the dark eldar book - because there were no trueborn or bloodbride box sets.

    This is also why the weapon options for various units changed in recent books - they are only able to be equipped with weapons that come on their sprue, because GW wants new players to be able to open a box and get everything they need for that one squad inside.

    My guess for the loss of the BT is because it is likely only going to cover the first founding chapters (other than Blood Angels and Dark Angels), so you'll just have to use the Imperial Fists chapter tactics and paint your minis black moving forward.

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    1. Like the Imperial Fists chapter tactics of stubborn shooters with bolters and heavy weapons has anything to do with religious maniacs with close combat weapons...

      I am indeed more and more inclined to go forge a narrative and completely ignore the GW crap I don't care about... Since I don't play competitively

      But I will wait and see...

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    2. There's nothing to stop you from suing DA/BA/SW/etc. to field your BT however you want. Honestly there are enough rule options to field any thinkable kind of SM force in the world.

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    3. Including mixed units of power armoured "Marines" and carapace armoured "Scouts"? That's pretty unique to the Eternal Crusaders...

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  15. There's a lot of Templars out there who're like this right now...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66HwO44XTfs&feature=youtu.be&t=23s

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  16. The word "gone" is used incorrectly, and being taken WAY overboard here.

    Oh wait...it's the internet...did I expect reserved judgment until facts are present? Lol, silly me.

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    1. Logic? Sense? McDoogle! I am disappoint! Rabble Rabble!

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    2. "did i expect" what...colour me surprised....Doogle is human after all.

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    3. If they give Templars a standalone codex again, and use the opportunity to introduce more fluffy units like combat-equipped cenobite servitors, sword brother squads, and maybe a walker variant, that would make my year. Seriously, Black Templars have a lot of gothic background that has never really been done proper justice.

      But if they're struck out of codex marines there's always going to be a period of not knowing. It could last months or even years. And that's going to trouble a lot of people with sizeable black templar collections. I suppose I could use my crusader squads as blood claws in the meantime, but it still feels a bit wrong.

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    4. @McDoogle: How is it used incorrectly? "Gone" means that there will be no more special chapter tactics for Black Templars. I assume this is what the rumor wanted to say...

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    5. @ Johnny Lho:

      The bad thing with "If they give Templars a standalone codex again" is that GW probably isn't going to tell players whether or not they plan on doing a BT, meaning no one will know for sure until rumors start up (if they do at all).

      It's a shitty situation that is all of GW's making. They won't tell BT players their plans for a BT players, so a lot of BT players will buy the C:SM dex. It's a lose-lose in a sense - if BT doesn't get a new dex, those players will feel let down and will have to endure a long period of 'not knowing'. And even if they do get a dex, they won't know until the last moment, many will have already bought the C:SM dex, and odds are good that the BT dex wouldn't be all that and a bag of chips anyways.

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    6. Wouldn't surprise me if the Templars end up in a new FW IA book.

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  17. This actually makes a lot of sense if looked in the light of metal/finecast/no model units being phased out.

    Sword brethren were metal/finecast, as well as helbrecht & champ. That's the BT right there.

    Honor guard is finecast.

    As much as this is indeed upsetting, this seems to have nothing to do with rules/fluff - it's about GW getting rid of items it can't stock anymore and hasn't had time to update yet.

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    1. BT has a Plastic sprue For troops (including termies) and a Plastic sprue For veichles!
      This rumors are FAKE! :D

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    2. It's very old, and in poor condition. When you get the sprue you can feel how old it is and how it hasn't been up kept, in the quality of the bits.

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    3. Idk man, I still use those torsos and helmets. They're nicer than the current marine box's newer ones, at least to me. They're a good resource for older marks of armour.

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  18. Uh, how do Jump Pack options on Command Squads "remain" when they do not exist in the first place?

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    1. This is why this rumors are FAKE! :D

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    2. I hope this is fake. I'm sick of Space Marines. Literally. I get nauseous just seeing them on a gaming table.

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    3. Codex Marines are an endangered species in my local gaming community. Tau (Broadside Support Cadre), Eldar, Knights, and Blood Angels have rendered the normal dudes largely obsolete as anything other than a GravCent ally.

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    4. I know far more Xenos players than Imperial too, and most of those who field Marines are BA or SW... A good vanilla Marines codex would be a cure, in my case.

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    5. Wierd, where I play its at least 40 percent space marines, with all kinds of lists. Only two white scars net listers thar run around and one of them is painted super nice so losing to it is ok

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  19. Rules for stirring up the comment section on a 40k blog:

    Rule #1: Say "Black Templars" in context to something being removed.

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    1. Rule #2: Tau and Eldar are battle brothers again.

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    2. Rule #3: Mention Chaos and/or DA

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    3. Rule #4: Mention Plastic Sisters of Battle

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    4. Rule #5: mention matt ward in any positive context.

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    5. Rule #5: mention matt ward in any positive context.

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    6. Rules #6 and #7: always complain about the internet complaining and complain about the internet complaining while you complain about it.

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  20. Going to call "salty" on these rumors, as it doesn't match up with the structure that GW has been aiming for in the other updated codices. So far, they have avoided removing units from codices if they have models (they remove characters because they don't have models for them). So Black Templars will probably still be in the book. The only units that have shifted in FOC have been HS or HQ to LoW, and Dedicated Transports to FA. All variants of the Land Raiders in other SM codices have stayed in the HS slot, even for Blood Angels (IIRC). Finally, while there have been a flux of which chapter has been better over others, I doubt the codex will have only special formations for Raven Guard and White Scars. Chances are that if there will be 3 Formations, they would be as follows: 1 for the typical Battle Company with a similar structure to the Eldar Warhost (lots of flexibility for the different chapters structures without taking up too many pages in the book), 1 for Deathwatch (if those rumors are true), and one for a Crusade (Black Templars are unique enough for that (I don't play them, not favoring them, just seems to make the most sense))

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    1. The rumors of Deathwatch are likely true, but their inclusion into a new Codex: Space Marines would make no sense whatsoever. As you say, GW's established a pattern for their last batch of codex books, and the inclusion of Deathwatch runs counter to that. GW hasn't been adding smaller, distinct forces to individual codex books, but REMOVING them. And Deathwatch is as distinct as you can get. If Deathwatch get rules, it'll be in an independent supplement, similar to Codex: Harlequins, Codex: Inquisition, Codex: Legion of the Damned, or the Officio Assassinorum Dataslate.

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    2. You have a good point. It would be cool to see it as either, and I think more players would be happy to have it in the form of a supplement. Just the idea of finally having plastic Deathwatch kill teams makes me excited :D

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  21. I like all this. Personally I'd love to see the create-you-own Chapter Master be relegated to a vanilla force that doesn't use chapter tactics, but that's overly complicated.

    The whole "I made this chapter master" thing is so dumb in relation to the fluff for chapters that already have masters. From a game standpoint it's the kind of stuff that leads to Iron Hands stupidity.

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    1. What if you have some imagination and created your own chapter or the loadout for your CM isn't specified in the fluff? Why wouldn't you be able to have tactics for vanilla?

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    2. What if you have some imagination and created your own chapter or the loadout for your CM isn't specified in the fluff? Why wouldn't you be able to have tactics for vanilla?

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  22. Black templars and lotd gone = small "loner" codex coming soon

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    1. Would not mind at all. Keep them centurions and give me sword bros.

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  23. Terminator Command Squad!!! Terminator Command Squad!!! Terminator Command Squad!!! Terminator Command Squad!!! Terminator Command Squad!!! Terminator Command Squad!!! Terminator Command Squad!!! Terminator Command Squad!!! Terminator Command Squad!!! Terminator Command Squad!!!

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  24. Fast Attack LAND RAIDERS?! LOL

    The only FA choice less FA-y are Tau Pathfinders :'(

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    1. Pathfinders should be elite, and stealth suits fast.

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    2. Yeah, never understood the Fast Attack role for Pathfinders
      They. Don't. Move. (Unless they flee/have no target in markerlight range)

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    3. Yeah x2! I sort of understood it when a Devilfish was compulsory so they had an integrated means of getting about fast but...they mainly just sort of sit there pointing laser pointers at things (and ion rifles <3)...

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  25. I think, maybe it is time to create a cool BT-Fandex:

    HQ:
    Highmarshall, Marshall, Castellan, Chaplain, Helbrecht, Grimaldus
    Elite:
    Swordbrother Terminators, Swordbrothers, Dreadnoughs, Techmarine,...
    Standart:
    Crusader Squad, Bike Crusader Squad (consisting of Initiate Bikers & Neophyt Bikers)
    Fast:
    Jumppack Crusaders (Initiates & Neophytes with Jumppacks), Land Speeder,...
    Support:
    Crusaders, ...

    Something like that...

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  26. I think Santa has seen less wish listing then this.
    do people honestly believe a word Steve the warboss writes?

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    1. i believe "him" as much as any monger....until i see pictures it is speculation and/or "creative" wishlisting, so regardless of credibility of said monger if they don't bring pictures or have got information that can be corroborated by some other monger it is worthy of a mountain of salt (when pictures come we will know for sure)

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  27. Who knows if/how much of this is correct. However, if tac marines go down another point per model, I will loose my mind. Seriously UPDATE CHAOS MARINES ALREADY!

    Sorry 'bout that outburst.

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  28. The worst thing about this is tactical marines getting a points break.

    They should be MORE expensive, or lose full benefit of ATSKNF. Otherwise everyone else looks severely overcosted.

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    1. In a world of twin linked assault 2 rending 17pp model wind riders a 14 point space marine is not over costed

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    2. Just make Bolters Strenght: D weapons!

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    3. Most bikes are undercosted, Tactical marines are appropriately costed if you ignore ATSKNF (Which is a dumb rule)

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  29. Oh ffs I've just discovered the bargin of chapter master with honour guard and a banner 4 attacks each with a Chaplin for re rolls and a few power axes rips through most units for 25 points a model for 2+ save and power weapon

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    1. The honor guard bit really cranks the salt dial to 11.

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    2. Unless they plan to rebox calgar by himself... with a chariot like a certain wolf lord.

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    3. Except this is Marneus freakin' Calgar himself: the Big Cheese, THE Blue Man Group, Big Papa Smurf, etc. That chariot would be 10 Terminators pulling a Land Raider, with him punching things as they crawl by slowly, because Marneus Calgar :P

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  30. Let's just hope the Raven Guard get better chapter tactics this time. I love the idea of a Chapter based around utilizing more covert tactics and surgical Assault Marine teams, but instead their only real use is for Scouting transports.

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    1. Or stop khan from giving scout to white scars and make shrike playable. Khan alone basically carries the best part of Raven Guard chapter tactics into white scars by himself for very few points.

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  31. Tactical marines 1pt cheaper? So they're going to be the same price as chaos space marines, only better because ATSKNF is one of the best USRs in the game. Ha!

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    2. +1 you just beat me to it. Sisters are only 1 point less than chaos marines too. They can both be more angry than angry marines together.

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  32. Tacticals -1 point? Really? This kinda makes sense for internal codex balance but when I look at the cost of sisters or chaos marines this seems a little crazy. ATSKNF is really good and I really hope other power arnored armies get some special rule to compensate if not also a point discount if this rumor is true.

    That being said, I do have a LOT of tactical squads.

    Also, the terminator command squad reminds me of 4th edition, I hope they can take apothecaries now.

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    1. i got something like 30 tac squads....yeah just wanted to say that.... ;)

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    2. Tacticals cheaper than Genestealers?

      Man, the costing was already ridiculous enough.

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  33. If they insist on removing the Templars I hope they give tac marines the option of a cc weapon as an option. I only have a small contingent but love them as an ally to my fists. I put Lysander with them 2 power fists in the squad and wipe a squad off the table a turn. I don't care if they bring out the storm troopers after a year that codex is un playable on its own

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  34. For some reasons, this set of rumors seems extremely cheesy. Chapter specific boxes ? I don't buy it (maybe upgrade packs...).
    Relics depending on chapter tactics ? Why ? That would force them to create 36 relics or so.
    Removing the LotD despite GW having redone the whole line up in lead and now failcast last year ? I doubt it. (maybe because you are supposed to use the Codex LotD now ? well).
    No land raider squadron ? It contradicts another strong rumor.
    Jump pack option "remains" ? It was NEVER there to begin with.
    Terminator command squad WHILE removing honor guard, after a massive buff to the unit AND allowing GW to sell truckloads of Vanguard Veteran boxes ?
    And finally, only 3 detachments, 2 of them are chapter specific ? Bullcrap.

    I don't buy it.

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  35. Don't touch my honor guard!

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  36. I really hope Chapter Tactics disappear and are replaced by a really in-depth Space Marine Decurion Chart.

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  37. Another rumour, another wave of people saying "MY PILE OF MODELS IS USELESS NOW. USELESSSSSSSSSSSS"

    Jesus christ people, calm the fuck down. I get that you've invested a lot of money in this, but there are some things to consider: 1; you can use the old codex when it's the only source for a faction. 2; this isn't forever, and there are better factions out there in the first place. 3; your crusader squads can just... yknow, be split into scouts and non-scouts? 4; the chapter tactics for carcharadons are free to download from forgeworld and completely official. They give your dudes bp/ccw. 5; Stop freaking out over your plastic space men jesus.

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