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Space Marines Rumors



Space Marines are still rumored to get a codex later this year, and we have heard misc talk of Ravenguard, White Scars. Steve the Warboss pegged Space Marines as an August release, and Lords of Wargaming has said they are coming. So this rumor states the release will be a rather minor one, and by the looks of it, could be handled with a 2 week release. One box kit, a new Chaplin, and codex. Take a look at the latest.


Please remember that these are rumors.

via Birds in the Trees posted by Larry Vela on Bols
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/04/space-marines-rumor-latest.html
Space Marines are one of the two “standard old school” codices that will be a full update this year.

The codex update itself is more of a minor refresh to bring it into alignment with the current edition design trends.

Minis coming are:
– Assault Marines box refresh/update
– New Chaplain (probably plastic)

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  1. Makes sense. I could see GW updating Eldar, Tau, Space Marines, and Tyranids this year to resemble the Necrons, Demonkin, etc. books. Formations, unique detachments, tables, fun and flavorful synergies, and better internal balance. Not to mention tighter rules wording: the earlier 6th edition books read like a 12-year-old wrote them compared to the newer ones.

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    1. Orks and Astra Militarum would get theirs updated too, of course.

      Not to mention all of these sub-factions along the way.

      Great times for 40k!

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    2. Orks are already in the 7th edition format

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    3. Astramiliwhatnow? You're in the guard, son.

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    4. ...and don't you ever forget that

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    5. No Tyranids yet please. I don't want all my MC to have a 4+ save like shield of Baal stuff.

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    6. Please dont mention the 4 ups :'(

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    7. lol @ including Daemonkin with the 7th edition books. That book is 6th edition, with a few model pushing formations tacked on. And Gorepack.

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    8. +1 @Matt

      If GW made it possible to once again take different guard regiments, IMHO they'd sell like hot cakes... Well, at least I'd buy them

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    9. @McDoodle: you are clearly a troll. There is virtually NO difference in writing between say the SM codex and the Necron codex.

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    10. @Aaron: So people who say things you disagree with are trolls? Damn, some people...

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    11. ^ according to a recent internet survey held by the internet by the internet and for the internet it said that 99.999% of respondents agreed that if anyone disagreed with them then the other person is a troll, they found in that survey that respondents had no room for exceptions....and since we know the internet is never wrong......i guess you are eh @ Unahim

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  2. So long as they really only do some tweeks I could get behind it, but I'd be afraid of losing the fluff

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    1. Whoa careful with the angry mob!

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    2. If only Graham McNeil could return to rewrite his masterpiece.

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    3. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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  4. Our rumoured 'jeep' has evaporated then? :(

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    1. Good, let's not have another silly looking taurox.

      Metal Boxes are the way of the future. More rhino variants!

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  5. Rage face. I detest formations and the chapter tactics system works fantastically at the moment. If it's not broke, GW, step away from the codex.

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    1. if it is not broke then GW was doing it wrong. if it is fixed then that means finances become "fixed" as well. so if things remain "somewhat broken" then it needs a "fix" using this logic GW will do what they have always done. (opposite of what the internet thinks-but logically every company does this)

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    2. Why detest formations? They are imho rather awesome.
      As for the chapter tactics. Some are good some are just bad (in comparison at least)

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    3. Hoping for am Faq so I don't have to replace seven codex lol. If we get three ccodexs redone that are my primary armies I'll just pirate codex from now on. Fuck codex creep. Digital future ftw

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    4. @Unknown it's called "planned obsolescence". And you're right, happens all the time

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    5. @Alpharius Omegon: no, they're not. They're just GW saying "hey, come on buy more boxes and as a reward you get this nifty little special rule for all your guys."

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    6. I'm with Alpharius, formations are awesome. A greatway to make fluffy armies able to compete. I ddon't think GW will do it but I'd like to see Tac marines become the best around troops choice rather than the worst in the game currently. A demi company core formation as part of a strike force that gives super CTs would really help marine armies look like marine armies. I'd like to see all Centurions go down by 10 points, and Terminators by 5 each, but Grav Cannons to go up by 20-25. I'm just hoping for a codex as well balanced as the Necron one. I also hope they stop Drop Pods from scoring at all.

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    7. i'm really hoping that you are talking about the internal balance, when mentioning necrons. They do have good balance inside the codex (except for the ctan and wraiths) but compared to other armies they are quite a bit too strong. especially in the decurion...

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    8. Yes I was talking about internal balance. However the Necron codex is not dominating the tournament scene so I disagree that its external balance is poor. Also why single out the C'tan and Wraiths as poorly internally balanced? Wraiths are what the 3rd best fast attack slot so why single them out? C'tan are decent though unreliable not as poor as the Monolith so again an odd choice to single out.

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    9. "wever the Necron codex is not dominating the tournament scene"

      I am guessing this is because the tournament scene doesn't allow the full range of the game.

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    10. Aaron, just becouse you dont like them mens they are a GW money grab. If anything the lack of "special" weapons in a box is a way for them. (Yes, there are was around this, but keeping it legal means a box has een sold)
      As for formations. The only model I ever bought for a formation was a talos for the talos/cronos formation. All the other kits I would have bought with, or without the formations (this is including all the armies I play).

      So, 1 box extra over the 5 armies I play.

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  6. maybe iron hands will finally get a special character this time

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    1. We can only dream and hope it comes true.
      I'd love to see an IH special character dreadnought tbh.

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    2. I'd love a MotF/Chaplain crossover special character. Something big and expensive with the whole army-wide-buff thing a lot of other unique characters have. Like for instance, "give every vehicle with the tank unit type PotMS"

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    3. Screw it. I made a thing. Here's a character sheet.

      http://i.imgur.com/6ZFCWIG.png

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  7. Oh dear we've moved to acceptance of a 3 year cycle for the sake of a minor update. What's wrong with you people? Don't you know this is the Internet? complain to no one in particular and get cross when nothing changes.

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    1. your sarcasm gave me heresy.

      we can either A. accept it, or B. not accept it. there is no other option. GW writes the rules and tells us to jump....all we can do is say how high and how much. but complaining to no one in particular is fun and getting cross powers the insanity "allies matrix" when nothing changes- just as Tzeentch has planned.

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    2. Haha we can C: pirate them. All codexs are currently available PDF somewhere. And I will be sure to buy scan and return for these new release for all our sakes.

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    3. So when no one buys there books and then everyone plays with third party minis. The company says screw it and good bye to the hobby. Good job guys.

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    4. @wileeguile: implying the hobby isn't big enough already to last us another 10 years just from the sheer amount of stuff out there.

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    5. Lol, BFG and Epic aren't supported anymore either, yet both have active communities. I'm with CM, 2 years before a book is replaced is unacceptable and I won't be buying 7th ed updates.

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    6. For once I agree with "unknown." And thanks for adding the profile pic, it helps me figure out with whom I am speaking.

      I also agree with a comment from your blog...

      You posted, "Saying there will be no new SM Codex this year, but the way things are going we could get 30k Sisters of Battle riding AdMech dinosaurs on square bases next Sunday."

      I find your satire profound, and accurate. None of us know anything for sure, and GW could do just about anything anytime it wants.

      cheers :)

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    7. Worse thing is that a constant 'Book Tax' to play the game just eats into my model budget and makes me only buy books if I'm using that army in games right now and the books less than a year old. Unlike now where I'll buy the codex's read them and maybe do something with the army in the next 18 months. I'll just have to shelve armies and not buy anything for them for that 2-3 year cycle, then focus on a single army each year and use terrain building to keep creativity flowing, spending the money I'm saving on model purchases for non GW terrain supplies.

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    8. ^ if you don't already do it "save your household junk", then it's something to start doing. save money for models not terrain. as you can make terrain out of literally anything. a few bottles a few straws and a box and bam defense network/refinery add paint and presto. overall cost $0-$5. ($5 is for paint if you didn't have it)

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  9. It isn't less than 3 years, its potentially less than 2. Codex: Space Marines was a sept 2013 release IIRC . I have no objection whatsoever to the game evolving and. therefore, to have to buy new rule books every few years but balk at paying for minor updates in so short a time frame.

    Before the rage starts and the some of the overly literal readers of this site post that I don't *have to*: I know that but, having invested so much in the hobby over the last few years, and, reasonably enough I think, wanting to be sure I have completely up to date rules in a single hardcopy item rather than an old codex and collected errata, FAQs and WD pages, there is considerable pressure to even if there isn't a legal compulsion to. So, just take *have to* as a useful shorthand for the above.

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    1. Wahhhhh! Seriously I have well into 30,000 points of space Marines and continue to expand my collection monthly. I cannot wait for as new codex that will align them to what necrons and tyrannid players already have. Drop pod formation that actually means a useful alpha strike (currently you hit the ground near wave serpent or any xeno skimmer and unless opponent rolls like cap it's a total waste of a unit), characters with special rules that aren't wasted (shrike infiltrates with guys that assault potentially 24", but has to endure an entire round of shooting first), plus we still have virtually zero squadrons or synergy between units aside from gravity stars to stop vehicles so they can be melta'd or MC's getting hit with the concussive.

      Lastly virtually every codex since marines have been almost purpose built to kill Marines. Every army got blasts/large blasts with AP3 or better or made units that did it before cheaper or more accurate.

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    2. Questioning or criticizing GW's decisions is no longer allowed in the comments section of this blog. You obviously dont want GW to make money. Blah, blah, whiny faux outrage, blah, blah.

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    3. Obviously Androkt questioning or criticizing GW policy or decisions are allowed, or there would be a lot of deleted comments. What I do detests is mindless comments like yours just now, or people attacking each other personally simply because they cannot agree.

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    4. I thought it was obvious I was being facetious, but thats cool, point taken. I wont harass the dork posse anymore.

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    5. then I apologize. It was the first thing I read this morning.

      Ive been frustrated with a lot of commenters of late. sorry I was a little overzealous.

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    6. All good brotha! Im not totally innocent so you def werent out of line calling me out. Plus, its your blog! Which I happen to read daily now; thanks for all the work you put into it. Peace

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    1. I'm with you. I don't doubt that a dex and new kits are coming but this is an odd list. My bet is that neither of these will be new kits but repacks. Chaplin from Reclusiam Command Squad will be sold by himself in a clam pack and the Assault marines will be boxed with the new 32mm bases.

      the logical (brace for wild speculation) kit for GW to release would be a plastic thunderfire with bits to make him a regular tech marine or a master of the forge. that would wipe out 3 out of 4 of the non named special character fine-cast kits in the space marine line. keeping in mind GW stated that moving away from fine-cast is one of there goals.

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    2. The assault squad box is over ten years old at this point - I assure you it needs replacing much more than the thunderfire kit.

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  11. I am surprised at all the excitement for a new codex. I am curious though, since a codex costs $60 Canadian, people are excited to be spending that much money in less than a 2 year cycle for a new codex?

    What really boggles my mind is while $60 can be swallowed, but not easily, what about the people who bought the collectors edition for over $100. Seeing now how the collectors edition is over $200, are people really getting excited in spending over $200 plus for a new limited edition codex when your $100 less than 2 years ago you just bought?

    I guess these Limited Edition codices are going to be worthless in less than 2 years now. So is it really worth getting these collectors edition when they have a shelf life of 2 years or less?

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    1. Not for resale value, but it might be worth it to hardcore collectors unlike myself.

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    2. Yeah not worth it at all. I will be return all dex I have receipts for lol

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    3. "collectors edition" is created for collectors. Collectors collect for collecting's sake.

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    4. Just wait 2 years and buy a reseller one off ebay for $10 when the value crashes.

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    5. tbh i haven't bought any LE's and i only bought csm and c:sm dex's in 6-7th eds.....so yeah i am not so "worried/upset" than some of you might be. though maybe instead of rushing to buy the latest LE maybe....reconsider...

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  12. After Skitarii I have absolutely null interest in Space Marines. The genetic horror super gorillas can keep their leftover tech and overblown man drama. I want no more of it.

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    1. lol

      I love the imagery here... particularly the "genetic horror super gorillas" bit.

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  13. Mmm another bad ass 5th edition Tyranid codex please

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  14. While it makes sense from a business perspective to release a new marine codex more frequently, the current one is arguably the best book of the current 6th/7th edition range in terms of variation and balance. A new book would have a lot to live up to and several other factions are in greater need for an update. It would also mean that the lifespan of the hardcover books is shorter than anticipated. I hope this rumor is off and were just talking about an expansion like Deamonkin.





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    1. Oh, I love seeing posts about how the Space marine codex is the pinnacle of balance. Show me someone who doesn't feel gimped using Tac marines and Assault marines. Show me someone who uses a Chaplain, or a Captain instead of a Smashfucker. Or uses a Vindicator, or a Storm talon that isn't alongside a Stormraven in a formation. There's a reason people bring nothing but the generic Chapter Master and Centstar. It is obnoxiously "point-n-click" and it's all the codex has to offer. There is horrid internal balance, and the aforementioned cheese is all that's used for a reason. I welcome a new codex, as if they receive the Necron treatment, only then will I say they have excellent internal balance.

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    2. Best in range in terms of variation and balance? Seriously? Necrons have that title hands down, the marine dex is pretty horrid for internal balance. Shield Eternal is an auto include. Grav Cents are hands down the best thing in the codex. Bikers being so much better than other troops choices. Basic marines being woeful in every area, nigh unusable Terminators. The marine codex needs a lot of work particularly the basic marines. The Necron codex is a perfect example of what a marine codex should be. Great troop choices, massive variation possible, fantastic CC options, fantastic mid range shooting. Can be built to do anything except long ranged firebase, just like marines should be.

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    3. Ninja'd by Adequate Wargamers, I fully age, hence the near identical post :)

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    4. yeah... no. I agree that necrons are a fairly well balanced internally book, but they don't have a perfect internal balance. Units that are too good: wraiths, tomb blades. Units that are bad but usable: scarabs, monoliths. immotekh, lord. Units that are just awful: anrakyr, c'tans...

      Also necron book has a horrible external balance as well. The decurion is too good on top of army being strong already...

      I would argue that guard have the best internal and external balance. Yes some units are stronger but everything has it's place in the army and works together perfectly if played right (even ratlings, rough riders, ogryns, comissars and sentinels.)

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    5. Yes, seriously. The marine codex supports a decent number of very different army builds of various power levels partially due to the flexibility of the chapter tactics. Given the large range of units it's not strange some units are (far) better than others. I'm sure everyone would like to see glaring issues like terminators fixed but it's a very flavorful book, just like the fifth edition DE dex. A lot of the more recent codexes are quite bland.

      Necrons on the other hand have a very high base level that makes them borderline overpowered in casual play but lack kill power to handle high end net lists. Decurion's popularity makes a lot of Necron lists very similar in spite of the internal balance.







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    6. How about assault marines not being to good at assaulting.

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    7. I really don't think we should expect GW to successfully balance any book. Just because Necrons has decent internal balance doesn't mean any other Codexes will. They don't go into writing books looking for balance, and it happens once every 7 books because of happenstance.

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    8. A little imbalance is not necessarily a bad thing. If all armies were perfectly balanced then the game might get a little stale. Better I say that there is a little of it.

      Look at the German tanks of WWII. Far superior to anything the allies came up with in the early part of the war. But the allies eventually found a way to overcome their advantages by adjusting their tactics.

      Besides, the imbalances (or perceived imbalances) give us something to kvetch about, and some of us enjoy that quite a bit.

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    9. ^ right on the money. THIS 100%

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  15. Maybe Black Templars can get more than three pages this time....

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    1. Here's hoping... but I keep imagining that GW is going to cut even more out so the next time they can just "forget" about us completely...

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