Right now, the big thing about August's White Dwarf is that Lizardmen are revealed for Warhammer Fantasy. The one thing that no one is yet talking about, is that the rumors are true........


Black Legion: A Codex: Chaos Space Marine Supplement is in the August White Dwarf under digital releases.

Listed is
Definitive Background for the Black Legion
Detailed Timeline of major historical battles and events
Additional rules (to lead your forces in a Black Crusade)
Miniatures Gallery
Reference for special rules and Wargear

While I dont have the date, I am sure it is in there and will follow last month's mid-month release. I just hope we are looking at a much faster hardcover release.

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  1. Oh God. I need pics. Someone link me quick.

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  2. Fluff: Large amount of failed crusades and a retconned one.
    Rules: "Use the CSM codex and every unit you like. Paint most parts of the armor black"
    Pictures: Marines painted in black.

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    1. I doubt it'll be like that. I'm really looking forward to this supplement and it'll be the first one I buy.

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    2. What if the warlord can roll to see which FOC section he can convert to a troop choice?

      It's fair to say Abaddon would use anything and everything in his crusades. In such a situation, it would make sense for him to blow the FOC wide open.

      Of course I am just guessing as to what rules would fit fluff. I can't wait to read more rumors as they come.

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    3. I've gotta believe there will be some way to make terminators troops, as that seems to be the legacy of Horus.

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    4. the cynic in me agrees whole heartedly, the chaos fan hopes you're wrong. 10,000 years of failure doesn't leave much to the imagination.

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    5. Each crusade would have accomplished quite a lot. Just because Abaddon hasn't wiped the Imperium off the map doesn't mean he has been failing. Besides, every tyrant needs opposition.

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    6. Yep. Would much rather have had a Word Bearers, Night Lords, or even Iron Warriors release other than Black Legion. The codex already represents Black Legion well enough.

      Though, hopefully they will have more Daemon Weapons... Having only 2 Daemon Weapons, one of which can only be used by followers of Khorne, seems incredibly... paltry.

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    7. Yep. Would much rather have had a Word Bearers, Night Lords, or even Iron Warriors release other than Black Legion. The codex already represents Black Legion well enough.

      Though, hopefully they will have more Daemon Weapons... Having only 2 Daemon Weapons, one of which can only be used by followers of Khorne, seems incredibly... paltry.

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    8. According to fluff, every Black Crusade achieved its goal. Wasnt a foothold gained in the Cadian Gate during the last Black Crusade?

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    9. Well technically speaking, when the 13th Crusade campaign was done, Chaos forces ounumbered the Imperial defenses and the Cadian gate was nearly fallen, and Chaos could go freely through the Gate, but it was retconned.

      So yeah for now we only have set foot on cadia, or Chaos forces are preparing the 13th Black Crusade, but for me, who participated in the 13 BC campaign, the next one will be the 14th, no matter what anyone says.

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  3. wonder if there will be any new units? otherwise do you really need to the supplement or will the the chaos space marine codex do?

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    1. There may be new units in the way that the Farsight Codex introduced new IC's to Farsight's bodyguard team.

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    2. You don't technically need any of the supplements. They just offer alternative ways to open up the FO and play styles of a particular faction.

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  4. I am really getting sick of these "digital" releases. I refuse to buy them and the hard copies should be available when the digital copies are. Are there no Kinkos in England for God sakes?

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    1. As far as I'm aware, no there's not. Never even heard of Kinkos!

      (I'm English btw)

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    2. Kinkos is a copy shop.....I too do not like the digital only crap, they should be released together or closer together than the last one.

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    3. As someone with a fair bit of working experience with mixed digital / physical book releases ... the way they are doing it does not surprise me at all. I realize it is frustrating for customers who prefer hard copies, but I can virtually assure you that this is not some type of cash grab on their part. This is about right in terms of how much faster you can get a digital release out versus a hard copy. To be honest, the "small" gap of time between July and October is impressive to me, for the Farsight Enclaves minidex. They were certainly sitting on Iyanden for a while, hence the dual launch.

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    4. honestly, if you look at any of the publishing dates, they been sitting on a whole lot

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    5. Consider how fast they've been releasing 6th edition codices, and now WHFB army books, and it's easy to see how their printers could be a tad limited. The digital versions allow them to pump out supplements without disrupting the regular codex/army book releases.

      Sure, some of the publishing dates are behind, but they had to sandbag a bit to head up such a massive undertaking. Sandbagging doesn't screw a customer or make GW more money, by the way; it just allows them to be ready for a massive release rate.

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    6. I'm happy enough with it, it would be nice if the physical copies got released quicker but I wouldn't want to have to wait to get my digital copy if there's a delay with the physical ones.

      If you're a luddite and refuse to buy digital copies then that's cool but complaining about restrictions that you are putting on yourself is fundamentally flawed.

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    7. IPad only restriction is not something that people put on the interactive version. Unless of course you consider not buying an overprized iPad is a limitation I place on myself.

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    8. Cal, its also fundamentaly flawed to call people posting on thr internet a "ludite"....lol. seriously, I like the digital copies well enough. My complaint is that they are not coming out closer together with the hard copy. Now its a collector thing not a fear of digital thing. Books are collectable, digital copies realy arn't.

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    9. It was a deliberate tongue in cheek reference to be fair although my irony detector has been on the blink recently :P

      Either way I meant it as a joke and I'm sorry if I insulted you with it.

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  5. i love the digital releases, no need to carry all the hard back books with me and i can read them when im out and about without looking like a major geek

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    1. I'm going to have a physical copy one way or another...

      I will absolutely buy the book when it comes out no matter what... but I am not going to be forced to buy a tablet just to use these rules (yes I don't own a tablet for some reason).

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    2. But you never actually own your digital release and how are you going to read your digital release if your battery dies? I prefer the old fashion "major geek" route of owning my books.

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    3. Can't you just print it out?

      I use my hardcover codices for just anything, but if I'm sitting at my PC I use scans to not litter everything around me with books.

      But if I'd have to choose, I'd definetely pick paper version. Especially that digital ones aren't any cheaper and GW gets more money due to eliminating logistics and need to print them before selling.

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    4. The digital versions of the supplements are cheaper than the paper versions, at least in the case of the Iyanden supplement.

      Also, it's not necessarily cheaper to produce a digital version, if you've done any type of software development for profit you'll understand this. Plus, the digital versions get updated, so as FAQs come out, the digital version becomes up-to-date. There's a lot of time and effort (=$$) that goes into transforming what is intended for a printed version into a digital version, including re-formatting the content to fit the screen rather than a page, all of the links, etc. True, the actual content comes from a digital file that was used to format the book, but it's a totally different delivery mechanism and there are significant costs involved. These aren't just PDFs of the printed pages, folks...

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    5. First of all, if my battery dies, then I'm stupid for not having a means to charge it with me.

      Second, no one will "force" you to buy a digital version. The paperback version will come out, but it can never be produced as quickly as the digital version can without disrupting the release of the main codices.

      I'd rather have more main books come out with a delay to physical supplement copies than the other way around. Considering how fast GW is releasing things, I find it borderline embarrassing that the customers (who probably .torrent their copies anyway) are complaining about having to wait for a supplement.

      This method allows them to keep releasing new codices and army books almost every month, while providing each army with a little splash of extra goodness to keep them interested. GW also does everything in-house, and I can't imagine they have infinite printing capability.

      For those who claim it's much cheaper to produce digital than paper: you have no idea what you are talking about. Software engineers, IT groups, servers, etc., are easily as expensive to keep around as a printer, and have to be constantly updated.

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    6. You don't need a tablet to read the Farsight one, you can buy it in ePub: http://www.blacklibrary.com/games-workshop-digital-editions/Farsight-Enclaves.html

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    7. Hehe, "if you're battery dies you can't read it"? That made me chortle, if you prefer paper to digital that's fine but cockamamy excuses like that are genius!

      -Why bother with mobile (cell) phones? You could get a bad signal so use phone boxes instead!
      -This internet nonsense is daft, libraries don't have download limits!
      -Watching films on tv? Absurd! There's no chance of a scratched dvd at the theatre!
      -Central heating systems can freeze up in winter, build a fire in your living room!

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    8. Yeah, I know what you mean Calistarius. I got into an argument with a few people about two years ago about PVRs. The general consensus was that people could always be there to watch the show (or it wasn't important anyway); when they watch they don't mind watching the commercials; they never have to go to the bathroom or do anything during the show that would take time away from the show. I was absolutely floored that is was multiple people with this opinion.

      Everyone always reacts so negatively to new technology. I don't own an iPad (or any device that will currently use one of these codexis) but I am certainly not going to complain about them releasing it digital only. It's honestly super awesome that they are finally embracing technology like this.

      I understand people what the book version. Great, wait until it comes out in the specific medium you wish. When the options are:
      A: Release digital now and print in 4 months
      B: Release both digital and print in 4 months
      It blows me away the number of people who seem to prefer option B.

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    9. It's interesting to see people's perspectives, but I'm a little confused by the perceived need for a justification. I prefer physical books, but that's just because... I like books. Some people prefer digital. I work in digital so at the weekend and at home I like a nice old fashioned book. But there's no right and wrong.

      It could, I suppose, be seen as upsetting that the physical book takes long to be released... but surely we can wait? A Codex Supplement arriving a few months later isn't the end of the world.

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    10. personally I prefer the books to digital media.

      I love the fact that you could store the complete codex library in one easy to use device like my cell phone which I always have with me anyway, but there's a certain feeling I get when reading a paper book that I miss in digital format.

      I also find that looking in a book for a specific rule is easier for me then looking through a digital book.

      That being said I think the digital books should ALWAYS be released prior to paper.

      It gives the fans a chance to look over it and correct the mistakes that got by the editors, and correct them before they go to print.

      Thousands of scrutinizing eyes are always better then a few editors that may or may not be familiar with the rules for that particular army.

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    11. This is it, there's nothing wrong with personal preference for digital or hardback. It just so happens that digital doesn't incur the same manufacturing issues or restrictions and to release both together would most likely result in a slowing down of the release schedule and... well goshdarnitt, I want my Biel-Tan Supplement!

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    12. pretty sure BTW any laptop'll read the ebook version of the digital stuff

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  6. Im a fan of hard back, no intention of buying digital (or supplemements for that matter). BUT i am ecstatic to see GW moving with the times instead of staying in the dark ages. Only good things can come out of these supplements/digital releases

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  7. I had some serious reservations about digital until I bought the Eldar codex for our IPad. Love it! Codex rules + relevant BRB rules at a touch. So convenient. Having a pre-determined opinion about something without trying it out 1st...it came down to me having a IPad trust issue. Thank goodness it wasn't a silly fanboy thing ;). I was wrong, digital is the present/future.

    As far as both being available at the same time, hey, if the product is ready, sell it. I believe it will make the hardcovers better in the form of the print issues being found before it goes to the printers. If you're jealous of digital...grow up.

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    1. Personally I'm not against digital, I'm against iPad-only, as far as the interactive codices go. The non-interactive eBook versions that are available for other platforms... has it even been clarified whether or not they'll update them with FAQs?

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    2. They Erratted the Farsight eBook one already, a unit's equipment listed Riptide but he had Crisis suit stats. The line was fixed.

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  8. I for one am glad they are going digital. I think it's rather funny how for years people have been critical of GW for not going digital, and now that they are people are whining and complaining about that.. I look forward to the release, it will be exciting to see the direction the design team went with the Black Legion.

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    1. "I think it's rather funny how for years people have been critical of GW for not going digital, and now that they are people are whining and complaining about that."

      Welcome to the internet, take a seat, there's tea and biscuits in the corner :)

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    2. Your comments have made my day, please post more.

      *takes a seat, has a cuppa and a biccie and waits.....*

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  10. The complaint isn't about digital... It's about digital being the only choice for a long period of time... That is just GW trying to make more money in a not so great way...

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    1. Ive got more information regarding digital vs print coming.

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    2. For a long time it was. I for one would rather have the digital now as opposed to waiting the extra time to get a hard copy that will more than likely have errors. Add in that the digital copies get updated with FAQ changes, and I call it a win.

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    3. The problem comes when your opponant has rules you don't have access to, weeks to a month before you do....not fun playing blind. And I don't know about you guys but most people don't hand over their digital devices for a person to skim the rules like they do with a book.....if it was only a weeks wait not so bad. I like the digital, but prefer the hardcopy....and don't want to purchase both. Its not realy so much to ask for, both released close together with little to no mistakes, its not like they are designing actual rockets.

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    4. It's your decision to have all of the books, but they are not necessary for casual play. I don't have any of the new books for eldar or tau, but that won't stop me from playing an opponent with those armies.

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    5. Casual play? Are we both talking about the same game?

      I play for fun, and frankly could care less if I win or loose, and frequently loose; but put down cool armies. My opponents play to WIN, and have no problem bringing the kitchen sink if it might help. This seems to be a common thread whether I play at the GW store, or FLGS. YMMV -- but ptolly not.

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    6. Not arguing about the casual aspect, but knowing what your friends army can do helps make a better game all around, its like I'm playing checkers and he's playing chess. I like to know what the pawns do, vs the knights before they do it. Winning is not the goal, being tactical and strategic in a game of strategy is. Lioe I said, peoppe are more likley to let you see their book than their ipad or whatever device, and for good reason. I'm not knocking the digital, just the time of release between the two. Better off holding back until both are close rather than rushing the digital out months ahead of the hard copy.

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    7. So you ask to see his digital version of the book while you are playing. There are only a few pages of rules to skim through, after all.

      If he doesn't bring that with him when you play, then he's not playing fair. It has nothing to do with whether or not the book is on the shelf.

      Also, this isn't a "money grab" by GW. They are releasing either a 40k codex, WHFB army book, or some expansion (like Apocalypse) EVERY SINGLE MONTH. That's a lot of printing going on, and they don't want to disrupt the mainstream support of their games by spending one month on just a supplement in hardback. Releasing the digital copy first allows people access to something new every month while they continue pumping out the mainstream stuff. After a few months, there will be windows to print out modified supplements that have been edited for errors and FAQ's, without interrupting the main releases.

      This is a total win-win. It doesn't matter if you don't own a tablet or smartphone, you will get your book eventually. I, for one, would be far more upset if a supplement was interrupting the main codex releases than vice versa.

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    8. McDoggle that is a bit disingenuous for you to say that people will get their supplement eventually. So I will have to wait an extra 3 months to get the supplement because I don't like an iPad, and do not want to buy an inferior version of the eBook does not appear to be a win-win situation. If anything, make it available for all formats on the same footing and then you have a win-win situation.

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    9. That's all I'm saying too facade, I would like all copies to be within weeks of each other at least, not months. What this creates is what we have here, Apple users thunbing their collective noses at the rest of us....lol....just kidding guys.

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    10. I have nothing against people who have Ipads. I just think it is awful for those of us who do not want to use Apple products out of choice to be forced to wait to actually have a chance to get the same features of an Ipad only product on release. This is not really giving consumer a choice as others have stated so many times.

      What kind of choice is it to either buy an ebook version that is clearly inferior (though cheaper, but I would gladly pay the exact same amount as an Ipad user to get the same features on an android device), or buy an Ipad, even though you have no use for it, to just be able to pick a supplemental codex with fluff of the first 40k army you picked up since the age of 16 and would love to read.

      I am sure GW knows that there is a rich market of android users who happen to play 40k that would love to have their android devices work with GW releases.

      I can understand the argument that printing a physical copy could disrupt their flow of releases, I see that argument. But I do not understand why GW does not make its products available of equal quality and value to android users? Does GW have a deal with apple ?

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    11. Im not sure what all the arguments about iPad really is about. GW releases their products digitaly on both android and iOS at the same time.

      The reason that the Apple version is looking so much better is because Apple has created a platform for a more interactive digital experience and android hasnt.

      Im sure that if there was a native interactive digital book app on android GW would have made their codex look snazz on that platform too.

      For a few months now the "Im not an apple fan boy so I wont but buy digital" is not valid anymore. Could we please move on?

      Sorry Facade19, this rant became so much more than what you wrote :)

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  11. This just in: Hard Cover copy expected Fall. Of 2099 X3

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  12. I like the digital releases, but wonder the impact on the lfgs out there by releasing the digital several months before the hard copies

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    1. Probably nil. These things are selling so well on both fronts that it doesn't matter. Plus, the FLGS has never had this many releases for these games before, so whether it comes now, or in 3 months is irrelevant. If anything, it doesn't dig into their Lizardmen sales, or whatever comes out the same month.

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  13. Page 36 in August's White Dwarf: confirmation.

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  14. A physical thing should always be sold physically. I don't like ebooks, and shouldn't be forced to buy them to stay up to date in my hobby. I have no interest in paying for a product I can't use without paying for ANOTHER product that costs about the same as a bloody apocalypse army. Want to sell me a book? Fine. SELL ME A BOOK. I'm not interested in your "limited license for use of digital copy" crap. And anyone saying a digital release is more expensive is either a liar, or on drugs. It costs the same to produce the product either way. Formatting is formatting. Writing is writing. Books are more expensive because they actually exist.

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  15. the ebook option, what format is it in?

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    1. The eBook is in ePub Brian, but they seem to have a Mobi version for Kindle too.

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    2. excellent. epub means that anyone can read it, and there's no shortage of prgrams to allow you to read it on a PC or laptop

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  16. Has anyone been able to find an upload of this on Kickass Torrents or any other site yet?

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